1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: But as we mentioned, Darwin Council's decision on whether to 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: allow a new RSL clubhouse on the Esplanade has been delayed. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: Council was expected to vote on the proposal at their 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: meeting last night. Around two hundred people packed council chambers 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: for the announcement, but at the last minute Lord Mayor 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: convat Scals revealed he had received new information regarding the 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: proposal and the vote would be delayed. To talk more 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: about this and plenty more is the COLP opposition leader 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Leo Finochiara lee A. 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Manning, Good morning to your listeners. 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Lea, what did you make of this shock non decision 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: by council in the end last night. 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's certainly interesting and I don't know what 14 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: information the council has that they need to go back 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: and consider further, but you know, clearly this is something 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: that has caught the attention of many Territorians and it'll 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: be interesting to see how it all plays out in 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 3: the end. 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: Do you support the RSL's proposal to build on that site. 20 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: Well, look, you know this really is a council and 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: planning matter. I mean, obviously it's extremely early days what 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 3: we have is a proposal. We have community support for it, 23 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: there's also a lot of community support against it. There's 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: Counsel's involvement in whether or not to support it, and 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: then of course there's all of the official processes that 26 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: would have to flow. So this proposal or concept is 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 3: not even anywhere near the development consent stage or rezoning 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: stage or any of these things. So I think it's 29 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 3: fair to say there's a lot of water to go 30 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: under this bridge, and you know, it's really about how 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: all of the stakeholders can come together to determine whether 32 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: it's the right fit in the right spot. 33 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Have you been surprised at how divisive the issue has been? 34 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: Oh, look, not really. 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 3: I think whenever we talk about changes to the Esplanade, 36 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: or particularly development on the Esplanade, it's a hot topic. 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: I remember a few years ago, I think it might 38 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: have even been up to cyclone Marcus. You know, some 39 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: trees came down and you know that was a huge 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: issue as well. So it's one of those things. And 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: you know, we, you know, as leaders in our community, 42 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: we need to be responsive to people's concerns. You know, 43 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: we also need to support good develolopment, and I guess, 44 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: like I said, there's a lot of hurdles and processes 45 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: to go through and that will undoubtedly uncover all of 46 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: the pros and downsides to any such proposal. 47 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, we'll be catching up with Stephen Gloucester, James 48 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: Parker and convat Scarlets after ten and the other two 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: just around nine to forty five this morning to find 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: out more Leah. In other news, a second group of 51 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: mango pickers from Vanuatu touchdown in Darwin. We know they're 52 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: going to spend two weeks in quarantine before heading out 53 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: to help harvest, but there's renewed calls for them to 54 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: quarantine on farms instead of in the Howard Springs facility. 55 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: A war of words has erupted between the Commonwealth and 56 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: INTI government over who's responsible, Lea, whose decision is this? 57 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 3: Look, this is clearly the Chief Minister's decision. And of 58 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: course what we've got as a Chief Minister in hiding 59 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: once again, during the last term of the Gunner Labor government, 60 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: we saw the Chief Minister Awell, he's completely hidden away 61 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: from territorians. He popped out to be the COVID hero 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: right up to the lead up to the election and 63 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: now he's gone back into hiding because he lacks the 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: courage to be able to make decisions like a chief 65 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: minister should. Of course, we've had very strong words coming 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: from Minister a little Proud on this issue. The federal 67 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: government have been explicitly clear that this is a decision. 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: For the Gunner government. 69 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 3: And really what needs to happen now is Michael Gunner 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: needs to come out explain why he will or won't 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: make the decision. He's got to take territories on the 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: journey with him. It's not good enough for a chief 73 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: minister of a jurisdiction to just point the finger at 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: someone else, continue to play the blame game and not 75 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: have the courage to make the decisions he needs to, 76 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: whatever that decision might be. And what we've got at 77 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: the moment is just you know, he's just hiding away, 78 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: burying his head in the sand and hoping this issue 79 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: goes away. 80 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: You actually was a good cue there, those comments from 81 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Minister little Proud. I've actually got those and we'll play 82 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: that for you now. Well that's embarrassing, isn't it. I 83 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: think the guy should maybe go back and have a 84 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Yarando his chief of staff and just get an understanding 85 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: what happened in national cabinet. 86 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Either he wasn't listening or he's incompetent. 87 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean some strong rhetoric there though, But is that 88 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: a sentiment that you would echo. 89 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: Look, I think it's probably both. He probably wasn't listening 90 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: and he certainly is incompetent. I mean, this is just 91 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: becoming a joke. You cannot be a chief minister and 92 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: not take a position on things. I mean, all of 93 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: a sudden, even instead of having quotes from the Chief 94 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: Minister in the paper today, we've got. 95 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: Quotes from his spokesperson. Where is the man? 96 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: The election's over and you've got four years now to 97 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: govern on behalf of all Territorians. We've got an economy 98 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: in crisis that was in crisis prior to COVID. We've 99 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: got people out there right now who are desperately looking 100 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: for leadership from the Gunner government to get our mining 101 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 3: sector going, to get jobs flowing in the territory again, 102 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: to ensure that our agg industry is supported in the 103 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: way it needs to be, to support not only food 104 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: for the rest of our nation and export, but of 105 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 3: course all important jobs. So there's a lot writing on 106 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: these types of decisions, and I just think it's not 107 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: good enough not to explain two territories why you are 108 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 3: or are not. 109 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: Making a decision. 110 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: If you were the Chief Minister right now, would you 111 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: allow those workers from Vanuatu to quarantine on farm? 112 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: Well, look, I'd love to. 113 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: Be able to answer that, but I don't have the 114 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: information the Chief Minister does. 115 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: It's that simple. 116 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: He has access to all of the health advice, the 117 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: Chief Health Officer, all of the information from the Federal government, 118 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: all of the information from all of the agencies who 119 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: are really efficiently and doing a great job in managing COVID. 120 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: So I don't have access to that information. If the 121 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: Chief Minister wants to give it to me, then that's 122 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: absolutely fine, and I'll certainly let territorians know what I 123 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: would do. But it just circles back to the fact 124 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: that the only person who has that information is the 125 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: Chief Minister. It's his job to explain why things are 126 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: not a risk, what benefit or opposite not a benefit 127 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: there is to our community. We know we've got mangoes 128 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: on trees right now ready to be picked. We know 129 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: that we've got a huge demand. This is a really 130 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: high pressure point for our mango industry, and yet we've 131 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: got a chief Minister burying his head in the sand, 132 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: trying to run away, trying to deflect and blame everyone 133 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: else for his problems. Well, he needs to put his 134 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: big boy pants on, make a decision, communicate with territories 135 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: and start acting like a chief minister. 136 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: Staying with quarantine and Prime Minister Scott Morrison has flagged 137 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: the Howard Springs quarantine facility as a place for returning 138 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Ossie's to quarantine. He's expected to discuss the plan with 139 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister on Friday. Would you welcome this kind 140 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: of decision? 141 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, I mean we've shown time and time again, 142 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: right from when we took the first lot of people 143 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: off the cruise ships, you know that Howard Springs is 144 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: a very good facility for COVID management and that is 145 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: due to the exceptional work of our health professionals of course, 146 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: our National Critical Care Center and everyone involved, and the 147 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: support of the federal agency's police etc. As well. So 148 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: it's certainly an important discussion to have. We are part 149 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: of our nation, we do have a role to play, 150 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: of course that needs to be managed. Risk needs to 151 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 3: be managed, and again I'm not privy to that information, 152 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: but certainly Howard Springs has proven to be an excellent 153 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: facility and if there's a way in which we can 154 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: play our part without risking the health of safety of Territorians, 155 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: then we need to be engaging proactively in those discussions. 156 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Lee. On Friday, we saw footage emerge of a supposed 157 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: ray at the Howard Springs quarantine facility. Have you seen 158 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: the footage and what did you make of it? 159 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen the footage, but I've certainly heard 160 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: a lot about it, and people are absolutely appalled. It's 161 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: called into question the government's controls around what is going 162 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: on inside that facility. Now, of course it is you know, 163 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: people aren't able to leave, which is very very important, 164 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: but equally the behavior on the inside needs to be 165 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: appropriate given the level of risk that people at the 166 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: facility have. They've obviously been determined as needing to be 167 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: in quarantine for very good reasons. So we certainly hope 168 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: this is a wake up called to the Health Minister 169 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: and Minister for National Resilience around not taking their foot 170 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: off the pedal and ensuring that robust controls are in place, 171 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: and if improvements need to be made, then so be it. 172 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: Are you worried that this could be a sign that 173 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: it's being mismanaged out there, whether that be the staff 174 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: that are there or the people that are in quarantine. 175 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly this shouldn't have happened. So something's gone 176 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: wrong somewhere. 177 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: That's right, something's gone wrong, and again we're not hearing 178 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: from the Gunner government on what those issues are. They're 179 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: not being open and transparent with Territorians around where the 180 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 3: system failure was or what improvements they're going to make 181 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: to ensure it doesn't happen again. And this just circles 182 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: back to my comments earlier about the Chief Minister. I 183 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: mean what we've got at the moment is ministers are 184 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: pushing out public servants to speak on their behalf. We've 185 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: got ministers bearing their head in the sand. They're not 186 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: stumping up and taking responsibility for their portfolio areas and 187 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: that's not a good start to four more years of government. 188 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: Just finally, I spoke with Territory Alliance as Robin Lamley yesterday, 189 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: who says she's still weighing up her options with a 190 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: political future with Territory Alliance, she's been a former COLP member. 191 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: Would you welcome her back? Oh? 192 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: Look, we certainly aren't having any of those discussions. We've 193 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: got a fantastic opposition now with eight we can be 194 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: really effective and represent territories right across the territory. 195 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Robin will need to make her own. 196 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: Decisions about what she's going to do with her future 197 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: and the fate of Territory Alliance. 198 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: I suppose it's in her hands, Mattie. 199 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: Would you welcome her back? 200 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: Oh look, we're not having those discussions. 201 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: And you know eight could go up to nine. It's 202 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: a good number. 203 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: You like the number nine, it's stronger for It's. 204 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: Just it's one more in the chamber for you guys. 205 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: Look, we work really well with all of the Independence 206 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 3: and of course you know that includes Kisier Puric and 207 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: Yingia Mark Goula, and we'll continue to do all of 208 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 3: that like we did in the last four years. 209 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: We had a good relationship with Independence. 210 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: We coordinated and worked well during Parliament and our focus 211 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 3: certainly always was and always will be to hold a 212 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: bad Labor government to account. That continues to be our focus. 213 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 3: And now with eight in the opposition, I think the 214 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: Gunner government is unnoticed that they'rein for a bit of 215 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 3: a ride in terms of our ability to be able 216 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: to scrutinize them more harder. 217 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: And really bring the issues to the front. 218 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to the next four years and 219 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: certainly my team are working hard every day to ensure 220 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: we're across the issues, working with stakeholders, listening to territories 221 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: about what's important to them. 222 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: CLP leader Opposition leader Leah Finocchiara, thank you so much 223 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: for your time. 224 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: Sank you and take care everyone.