WEBVTT - Live Show Diaries - Michael Hing

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Black

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<v Speaker 1>Fun Card. I'm producer Keisha and this is our third

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<v Speaker 1>installment of bringing you some of the wonderful conversations that

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<v Speaker 1>Britain Laura had with our great guests.

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<v Speaker 2>At each of our live shows across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to fly around to seven different cities across

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and we were joined by some of the best

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<v Speaker 1>people like I could ever have imagined joining us on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we wanted to bring some of those conversations

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<v Speaker 1>to you while we were taking a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>summer break.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode is with the hilarious Michael Hing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Michael Hing, you might know him as Hangers because

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<v Speaker 1>he was on Triple Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also on the Project.

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<v Speaker 1>He does a bunch of comedy and a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>other podcasts. He's a very very busy man and he's

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<v Speaker 1>also an absolute laugh and a half. In this chat,

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<v Speaker 1>he shared two actually I was gonna say the most

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<v Speaker 1>outrageous accidentally unfiltered, but he decided to share both because

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<v Speaker 1>why not, they were both equally as.

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<v Speaker 2>Outrageous as each other, which I love for him.

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<v Speaker 1>He also spoke about having two Chinese doctors as parents

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to work in comedy because it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a contrast to the narrative of being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>successful to want.

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<v Speaker 2>To work in the arts.

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<v Speaker 1>They spoke about being a finalist for Cleo Bachelor of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year and using culture in comedy. He also spoke

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<v Speaker 1>about some deeper things, but of course he's a comedian,

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<v Speaker 1>so that there was still hilarious, which I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how he managed to do. He spoke about things like

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<v Speaker 1>microaggressions and some racism that he's experienced being an Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese guy who worked in media, as well as speaking

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<v Speaker 1>about what he finds worthy of speaking out against and

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<v Speaker 1>how a lot of people who experience microaggressions can feel

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<v Speaker 1>quite exasperated from the experience. So it was a really

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<v Speaker 1>great chat. There's so many laughs in this one, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's also some really impactful lessons, so I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Let's get into the chat that Britain Laura

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<v Speaker 1>had with Michael Hing at one of our live shows.

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<v Speaker 3>We have our very last guest for this evening now.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a comedian. He was also a radio host.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a podcast and he is a host on

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<v Speaker 3>the project You guys probably know him from being the

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<v Speaker 3>drive show on Tripper Jay as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Michael Hang joining our hangers.

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<v Speaker 4>Get on in here? Wrong with the red? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I brought some one.

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<v Speaker 5>I think this is I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 5>your writer or something, but I've stolen someone Samfish's writer.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, take the welcome you look at me? What

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<v Speaker 2>does your top?

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<v Speaker 5>Says the black eyepatch. It's from a Japanese shirt maker

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<v Speaker 5>that I can't afford to buy things from, so I

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<v Speaker 5>asked him for sponsored content and have it done the

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<v Speaker 5>post anyway, Look, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Swipearp, swipeper.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put links in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Michael, we start every podcast episode the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>You might not know, because I don't know if you've

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<v Speaker 3>listened to many episodes of Laugh on Cut, this might

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<v Speaker 3>all come as a surprise to you. Sure, but we

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<v Speaker 3>start every interview the same way, and that is with

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<v Speaker 3>your accidentally unfiltered story.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh sure, well, I have some options. My life is humiliating.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you want to hear about Do you want to

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<v Speaker 5>hear about dick pics? Or the option about there's also

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<v Speaker 5>an STI story, So I don't know what you prefer.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you guys want to dig pic? Okay, we have

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<v Speaker 6>time four, we can do both.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay. Well, the Dippic story is very from a very

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<v Speaker 5>long time ago. And I was dating someone. She was

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<v Speaker 5>in a different part of the country, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>having dinner with my parents because I lived with them,

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<v Speaker 5>and we were.

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<v Speaker 4>Like kind of just texting.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, I gotta go have dinner, and she

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh, before you go get dinner, I have dinner.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I show you something? And I was like what?

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<v Speaker 5>And then she sent me sort of a I guess

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<v Speaker 5>a an amorous photo and guys, I'm a virgin anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>I and I was like, oh, thanks, like because you

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<v Speaker 5>got to be polite, you know, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not your response, there is, Michael. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>worse than.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting a reply to a sexy photo that is thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what are you supposed to say?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna have I can't be like, oh, because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>gonna go dap dinner with mum, Like I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>What am I gonna do? No, you can? You can

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<v Speaker 4>compartmentalize the horniness.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that one in the microphone.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, sorry if you missed that, Lauria said, at least

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<v Speaker 5>send the squirting emoji. Anyway, thanks for the souper mum anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>So I so we're getting bucked out of the details,

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<v Speaker 5>she says to this photo. I say, I'm very grateful

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<v Speaker 5>for that, but I have to go get dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thank you, I'm grateful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And then she says to me, she says, to you, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I got this quite I don't know not it was

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<v Speaker 5>a nice text, but it was like quite forceful. It said,

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<v Speaker 5>I've shown you what you're missing out on. I will

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<v Speaker 5>you just show me what I'm missing out on? Right,

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<v Speaker 5>So the implication there is very clear. So I go

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<v Speaker 5>and have dinner, and then after dinner, I say, Mum, Dad,

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<v Speaker 5>excuse me, I've got some homework to do whatever, and

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<v Speaker 5>I go home work.

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<v Speaker 4>How old are you? I was probably like nineteen or twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>I was sorry. I wasn't. I wasn't like fifteen, to

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<v Speaker 4>be clear, I was. I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was at UNI and I went back upstairs and

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<v Speaker 5>then I've never done this before, but you know how

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<v Speaker 5>when you don't want your parents to come in your room,

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<v Speaker 5>you're like jam a chair under the door because you're like,

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<v Speaker 5>what I'm about to do is going to be so

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<v Speaker 5>humiliating that I don't want anyone to ever see this.

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<v Speaker 5>So then I like, I'd never I'd never taken a

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<v Speaker 5>dick pic before, so I wasn't sure like what.

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<v Speaker 4>Angle to take it from? What lighting?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, no, not just not just that, because like

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<v Speaker 5>because obviously it's like I could take it from the

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<v Speaker 5>from like my perspective, but I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think she would have ever seen a dick from that

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<v Speaker 5>angle before, so maybe I've got to try and do

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<v Speaker 5>it from her perspective. Like it's a front I'm selfie,

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<v Speaker 5>but then it's like just a weird like oh god, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a bit full on, so you're like, oh god.

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<v Speaker 5>So then I'm like getting lamps and shit into try

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<v Speaker 5>and do like I'm like, oh no, just just point

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<v Speaker 5>oh five camera, make it better.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, like, and it took me.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like twenty minutes trying to sort out the

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<v Speaker 5>lighting and stuff and felt quite self conscious. And during

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<v Speaker 5>that time, obviously, you know, blood flows an interesting thing,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, I lose the erection and you can't

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<v Speaker 5>you can't say, you can't be like, hey, what are

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<v Speaker 5>you missing out? And then you send her a photo

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<v Speaker 5>of your soft dick, you know what I mean, because

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<v Speaker 5>that's horrifying. So so, without not knowing what to do,

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<v Speaker 5>and again being quite young, I was like, oh, I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Just look on the internet.

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<v Speaker 5>I put on the into Google. I was like, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>just have a look what dick pics are available. But

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you guys have ever googled for

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<v Speaker 5>dick pics before, but most of the place to send

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<v Speaker 5>my dick to somebody, most of the penis is available

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<v Speaker 5>on Google that they're sort of white and my penis

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<v Speaker 5>like it look it matches my face, you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>mean like it's the it's the same design team has

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<v Speaker 5>worked on both of these items. So now I'm like

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<v Speaker 5>half an hour after dinner and I'm googling Asian dick pics.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's.

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<v Speaker 5>And again I don't want to embarrass anyone who want

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<v Speaker 5>to have done this, but like, if you google it,

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<v Speaker 5>most of the deck pics coming out of Asia, a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of them are censored. So now I'm googling uncensored

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<v Speaker 5>Asian dick pics.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, I find.

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<v Speaker 5>One that I think looks a bit like mine, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, oh, so then here, okay, here's the

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<v Speaker 5>here's how obviously I'm the villain in this story, but

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<v Speaker 5>this is how fucking crazy my brain is. I like

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<v Speaker 5>found the photo, I then sent it to my emailed

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<v Speaker 5>it to myself, opened it on my phone kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like cropped it in the phone in the photos app,

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<v Speaker 5>then screenshot at it right so the metadata would be

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<v Speaker 5>the same, Like do you know what I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>trying to smart man in case a c I was

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<v Speaker 5>looking at my dippics or whatever. I send this to

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<v Speaker 5>her and I'm like, here you go. And then obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>like we've been together for like three years at this point,

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<v Speaker 5>and she just text me you back, being like, that's

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<v Speaker 5>not your dick.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been together three years.

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<v Speaker 6>You left that out of course she knows your dick.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, oh, well yeah. So I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I tried to use the lighting and I've never done

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<v Speaker 5>this before, and I lost the blah blahlah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we obviously didn't make it.

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<v Speaker 2>So where did the sci come into it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is a separate one. Okay, So this is

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<v Speaker 4>again a long time ago. This is an x I day.

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<v Speaker 5>And to be clear, in these stories, I think this

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<v Speaker 5>is obvious, but I'm not. I'm the object of mocker

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<v Speaker 5>in these stories, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to do we got it one of

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<v Speaker 4>these people.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was confused, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So I'm like, this is this is again. Quite

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<v Speaker 5>a while ago when I just started doing comedy. I

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<v Speaker 5>just started doing stand up and I was like traveling

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<v Speaker 5>around the country a lot, touring and it was like

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<v Speaker 5>living my dream. But my girlfriend at the time, she

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<v Speaker 5>was working full time back where we lived in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 5>and so she was like pretty unfulfilled by the relationship,

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<v Speaker 5>which I think is like very understandable. So I came

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<v Speaker 5>back from a three month tour and she was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I can't do this anymore. It's been three months while

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<v Speaker 5>you've been away. It's been really hard. I think we

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<v Speaker 5>should break up. And I was like, hey, I understand,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, fair enough, So we split

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<v Speaker 5>up that two and a half weeks later, I am

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<v Speaker 5>going to the bathroom and I noticed some what I

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<v Speaker 5>would broadly describe as some symptoms in like the danger zone,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, oh, this isn't good, right, Because I'm

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<v Speaker 5>a bit of a germophobe as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I should go get this checked out. So

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you like me. I've got two doctors.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got the doctor I go to when everything's fine,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I've got the shameful doctor I go to

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<v Speaker 5>when I'm like I need help, you know. Like there's

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<v Speaker 5>one doctor I go to. I'm like, oh, I need aspapapas.

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<v Speaker 5>This doctor's like I need a test, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean. So I go into a place in Sydney

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<v Speaker 5>call King's Cross, which is like kind of a I guess,

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<v Speaker 5>like what was previously quite a sleazy area, and there's

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<v Speaker 5>a sexual health clinic there that's like they'd be very

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<v Speaker 5>good work.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very anonymous. They just give you a number.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like it's like totally it's very safe and very

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<v Speaker 5>like very helpful. I went in there and I'm in

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<v Speaker 5>the waiting room with my number, waiting to like at

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<v Speaker 5>like a fucking Deli number, getting waited to be called

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<v Speaker 5>into the doctor's office, and the doctor and the person

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<v Speaker 5>comes out and they're calling the person before me. And

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<v Speaker 5>when you've ever been to a sexual health clinic in

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<v Speaker 5>the waiting room, everyone's so tense, like no one's in there,

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<v Speaker 5>being like I'm gonna fucking nail this test, you know

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<v Speaker 5>what I mean, Like, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm there and I realize what's happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh shit, like I think i've because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I haven't you know, messed around.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what's happened. Oh sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>What I didn't mention was the night we broke up,

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<v Speaker 5>we also had crazy you know what I mean, like

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<v Speaker 5>just one night. One night only said you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, kind of goodbysex. Right, So I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I haven't missed around. So if I have

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<v Speaker 5>got something, does that mean she's cheated on me while

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<v Speaker 5>I've been away, which I guess I would understand. But

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<v Speaker 5>then we're back and then it's you know, is that

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening? Is that how I've got this thing? And

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<v Speaker 5>my mom begins to squirl. I think, I think my

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<v Speaker 5>girlfriend cheatd on me. So then the doctor comes out

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<v Speaker 5>and she goes, oh, you know number eight eighteen or whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>and I go into the thing and she goes what

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<v Speaker 5>seems to be the problem and I just haven't told it,

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<v Speaker 5>talk to anyone about this. So I break down in

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<v Speaker 5>tears and I'm like I think my girl friend cheated

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<v Speaker 5>on me.

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<v Speaker 4>And she was like, oh, we mostly do pathology here.

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<v Speaker 4>So I So then she goes, all right, give us

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<v Speaker 4>a look.

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<v Speaker 5>And so it was like these three marks that kind

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<v Speaker 5>of went through down the center of my I guess,

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<v Speaker 5>like you know, danger zone, right, and we can here, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>well do it was it was above the penis, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And so she gets me too, there's.

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<v Speaker 4>Three these three like welts, and I'm like, what the

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<v Speaker 4>fuck is this? Right?

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<v Speaker 5>So she gets me to undo my pants and when

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<v Speaker 5>you're at the doctor and you so, I down did

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<v Speaker 5>my fly and you know, and they're like, went down

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<v Speaker 5>to my jeans and I pulled down the jeans and

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<v Speaker 5>I remember this, I pulled out my underwear, but I

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<v Speaker 5>pull it down beneath my knees. But like so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm showing it my dick, but I'm like covering my

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<v Speaker 5>ankles just in case.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes and she goes, what's this, I'm like, it's this,

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<v Speaker 4>and she goes, I've never seen anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm like, what do you mean, don't tell me this.

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<v Speaker 5>Tell me this is just a I don't know, tell

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<v Speaker 5>me it's a panetole can fix it, and then she's

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<v Speaker 5>like getting the like the fucking magnifying glassing. They get everything,

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<v Speaker 5>and she's got another. They shine the light on and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh God. And then she's like oh, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like what she and she grabs the sort of

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<v Speaker 5>flaps of my jeans and she pulls them up like

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<v Speaker 5>that and she goes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think those marks are from the buttons on your jeans.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was like what, and she was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think you've got an s C. I think

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<v Speaker 5>I think your jeans are just too tight. And I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh, like I have had sex before, like

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't risked.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dying for you. But I mean, I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>the best possible outcome.

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<v Speaker 4>Best possible outcome. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just I just in the loneliness of the

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<v Speaker 5>two and a half weeks, I may have eaten a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of large pizzas just for you know, just for

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<v Speaker 5>me or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And and your jeans.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, all right, well Michael, You're I fucking love that

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<v Speaker 6>you're both of your parents are doctors.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but obviously you can't ask m'm about that, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so you didn't want to go to mum talk

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<v Speaker 6>about the flaccid penis and maybe the no.

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<v Speaker 2>Both your parents and doctors, how did they feel when you.

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<v Speaker 6>Decided to go into the creative arts acting stand up comedy.

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<v Speaker 5>Gosh, well, not only are they two doctors, they're also Chinese,

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<v Speaker 5>which you know is a relevant factor in this specific instance.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time, though, I did a bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 5>So I this is for if anyone is like my

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<v Speaker 5>parents are like concerned about me, you know, going into

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<v Speaker 5>a career in the arts, do what I did. So

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<v Speaker 5>I knew I wanted to do comedy. But the other

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<v Speaker 5>thing I was doing at the time was playing a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>I was playing a video game a lot called StarCraft

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<v Speaker 5>because again virgin and I was thinking about So, there's

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<v Speaker 5>this thing called esports. You wouldn't know because you will

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<v Speaker 5>fuck But there's a thing called esports, which is like

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<v Speaker 5>video game competitions, and they do it a lot in Korea.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was thinking about going to Korea to play

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<v Speaker 5>video games professionally.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had led with that and I said, mom, Dad, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Thinking about going to Korea, moving to Salta to play

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<v Speaker 5>vide games professional that, no, you can't do that that's

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<v Speaker 5>not a career, and I was like, Okay, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got a backup, stand up comedy and and that

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<v Speaker 5>and that.

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<v Speaker 4>So they've been pretty happy with I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think parents are just fine, right if they love you

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<v Speaker 5>and you love them, and they just they know you

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<v Speaker 5>can pay rent and feed yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>That's mostly mostly they're happy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we spoke about some of your accolades very briefly,

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<v Speaker 3>but something and a really amazing accolade that I think

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<v Speaker 3>most people may not know of is that in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>you were actually a finalist for Cleo Bachelor of the Year.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, scattered applause, mostly confused, some confused faces. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 5>I got nominated. This is if you don't remember. Cleo

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<v Speaker 5>was a sort of a magazine that used to do

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<v Speaker 5>sort of they used to find one hot guy every year,

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<v Speaker 5>but before that they had elimination process with the find

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<v Speaker 5>other other guys to compete with him. And I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how, but I got on their short lists for

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<v Speaker 5>some reason, and I felt very flat and I thought

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<v Speaker 5>it was quite funny that I was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>on clear Bachelor of the Year, and they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you've got to come to this photo shoot and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, I'll go to a that sounds like fun.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never done a proper like photo shoot before. And

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<v Speaker 5>they said wear a white T shirt and uh and

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<v Speaker 5>and some jeans.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I can do that. And then when

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<v Speaker 4>I turned up, they were like.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, why did you want to sort to

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<v Speaker 5>wear a white T shirt? And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>because it's it's magic Mike thing. Am I gonna get

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<v Speaker 5>you to strip? And I was like, well that you

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<v Speaker 5>should have told me that before I and I was like, what,

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<v Speaker 5>why's the white T shirt? She goes, oh, well, if

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<v Speaker 5>you don't want to strip, we'll just make it.

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<v Speaker 4>A wet T shirt.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh, maybe that'll be a bit better

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<v Speaker 5>because my body's whatever. And she I was like, can

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<v Speaker 5>I do the wet T shirt seat of the stripping?

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<v Speaker 5>And she goes okay, So she got me to stand

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<v Speaker 5>like and you got to there's like when you turn

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<v Speaker 5>up to these shoots, there's like twenty five. The only

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<v Speaker 5>way I can describe them is like hot media girls,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, Like women who have studied

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<v Speaker 5>media at UNI, and they they're kind of they don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to go into like I guess like hard journalism,

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<v Speaker 5>but they want to use their degree, right, And so

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<v Speaker 5>these people are like living their best lives, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>all so attractive and fashionable, and they've all got clipboards

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<v Speaker 5>and they all they were all like rating you out

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<v Speaker 5>of ten. And you feel very emasculated at that time.

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<v Speaker 5>And they got me to stand up against a wall

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<v Speaker 5>in a kiddie pool and then one of the women

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<v Speaker 5>had a bucket fill with water and she just threw

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<v Speaker 5>a bucket of water at me, you know, like you

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<v Speaker 5>might see someone washing an elephant.

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<v Speaker 4>To the zoo, right, just throw a bucket of water

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<v Speaker 4>at me. And then they like like take it. She's

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<v Speaker 4>like funck and the photographers like, yes, more of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you win?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I did not.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I lost to Larry Emder's son. I think, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>He's pretty hot.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well, but so were you so much?

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<v Speaker 4>Michael?

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<v Speaker 6>You you actually use a lot of politics in your comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>As you can tell from the three stories I've told tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>Believe it or not, No, but I feel like, I

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<v Speaker 6>mean politics comedy independently can be quite polarizing when you

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<v Speaker 6>put them together, very polarizing. What made you want to

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<v Speaker 6>use We're so political when with your stand up routines.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's like in stand up, and I also like

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<v Speaker 5>I work on the project and I've used to work

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<v Speaker 5>at SBS on a show called The Theed, and you

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<v Speaker 5>just kind of like, if you're reading a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>the news, I think it's difficult to not have opinions

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<v Speaker 5>on it, right, you become informed about things, and then

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<v Speaker 5>you suddenly start to feel passionately about things. And then

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<v Speaker 5>stand up I think is best when it's like a

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<v Speaker 5>real relationship between you and the audience. And so I

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<v Speaker 5>think if you genuinely feel something, you want to talk

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<v Speaker 5>about it. The trick is can you turn it from

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<v Speaker 5>like just having an opinion into something funny? And I

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<v Speaker 5>find that really interesting. I find that really fun to

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<v Speaker 5>play with. But I think the real reason I do

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<v Speaker 5>it is that when you're doing stand up, it's just

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<v Speaker 5>you alone on stage, right, And when you walk on stage,

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<v Speaker 5>people immediately start to have judgments about who you are,

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<v Speaker 5>what you look like, what you might think is funny.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's just subconscious, but the immediately have those judgments.

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<v Speaker 5>And when I started doing comedy, there weren't a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people who look like me doing stand up. Comedy

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<v Speaker 5>in Sydney in Australia, and so I would come on

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<v Speaker 5>stage and people would immediately see like a Chinese guy

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<v Speaker 5>with glasses, and they'd want me to like acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 5>or mention it, or do jokes about that. And a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of the people that did jokes about that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>back in the day, were like they're like doing funny

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<v Speaker 5>accents and they're pretending to be their mum and it's

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<v Speaker 5>very like ethnic comedy stuff, which wasn't really my vibe.

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<v Speaker 5>So I started acknowledging the fact that I was Chinese

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<v Speaker 5>by talking about the racism that I'd experienced in Australia,

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<v Speaker 5>which is a thing that I found interesting and like

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<v Speaker 5>kind of funny as well and like weird, and we'll

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<v Speaker 5>talk about that.

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<v Speaker 4>And really that kind of then became, like.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, a career of sorts, but it really just

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<v Speaker 5>came down to that one thing of like walking on

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<v Speaker 5>stage in the audience wanting you to acknowledge the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that you're Chinese, as though I didn't know something, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>But I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean one of the reasons why I was so looking

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<v Speaker 3>forward to having this conversation with you on stage. And

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the moment I was sitting in my car

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<v Speaker 3>and it was looking through TikTok and one of your

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<v Speaker 3>tiktoks came on, and like, I've loved the conversations that

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<v Speaker 3>we've had on the project, but it was this very

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<v Speaker 3>specific TikTok that you were having a conversation with your

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<v Speaker 3>co host Hobber around the racism that you have experienced

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<v Speaker 3>in your workplace when you're working at Triple J and

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<v Speaker 3>how that permeated so much of your career, but how

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<v Speaker 3>there was this expectation that you would just deal with

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<v Speaker 3>it in silence and not make a big deal about

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<v Speaker 3>it because it makes other people uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk us through a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little bit around what that part of your life was

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<v Speaker 3>like or what that period of your life was like.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so just to I guess as a bit of

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<v Speaker 5>an audience poll as I mean, I won't be a

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<v Speaker 5>fen but does anyone he has anyone he ever listened

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<v Speaker 5>to Triple J?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay cool coo cool? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, a couple of freaks in here, but most so

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<v Speaker 5>Triple J is like a It's an Australia wide radio

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<v Speaker 5>station that's run by the ABC and the only way

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<v Speaker 5>you can get in contact with the radio host is

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<v Speaker 5>through a think called the Triple J text line four

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<v Speaker 5>three nine seven five seven triple five, and we're always

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<v Speaker 5>asking for your right We're always like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>are you going to this concert? Tell us what it

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<v Speaker 5>was like? O for three nine seven five centriple five,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, or like hey what have you like? You know,

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<v Speaker 5>what are you up to this weekend? Or for three

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<v Speaker 5>like textus in you know. But what it means is

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<v Speaker 5>that anyone could just message you anytime of the day.

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<v Speaker 5>Because the ABC can't afford to have like an army

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<v Speaker 5>of producers for every show. We're reading all those texts

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<v Speaker 5>all the time. So you might think, like when I

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<v Speaker 5>text into a radio station, who who sees it? It's

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<v Speaker 5>the posts to see it, because they're the ones who've

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<v Speaker 5>got to call you back to put you on air

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<v Speaker 5>or reout the text or whatever. And so when I

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<v Speaker 5>started a Triple J, I remember the like within a

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<v Speaker 5>month of me starting there doing like the Drive Show,

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<v Speaker 5>which is what I did, COVID was starting to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of kick off, and being a Chinese guy whose name

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<v Speaker 5>is Hing, some people had some really strong opinions on like.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess what I'd done.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously, you started, I started COVID obviously, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like ground zero, Yeah, And so like I would,

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<v Speaker 5>I would be like, hey, it's like Hoburn Heying bla

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<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah blah, and people were like, you're a

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<v Speaker 5>fucking Chinese spy and the communist part like it was

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<v Speaker 5>just like and people are in these very bad places,

0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 5>they're very stressed, and so they're just taking out on you, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember being and I was getting called all

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<v Speaker 5>kinds of horrible slurs, and so I went to my

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<v Speaker 5>boss and I said, hey, do you think we could

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<v Speaker 5>put a filter on the text line so that like

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<v Speaker 5>racial slurs don't come through to us when we're reading

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<v Speaker 5>the text line. And they were like, well, don't we

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<v Speaker 5>want kind of have to have a raw, kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like unfiltered version of what the Australian public think. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I understand what you're saying, but like, you're

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<v Speaker 5>a white guy in your forties, you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 5>know what it's like to come in and just be.

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<v Speaker 4>Told you're not human, or you're.

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<v Speaker 5>A trader to this country, or you're a spy. We

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<v Speaker 5>can't trust you. You've started a global pandemic, Like it's

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<v Speaker 5>a different experience. And I found that as I talked

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<v Speaker 5>more and more to people at the ABC about it,

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<v Speaker 5>because the ABC is a very wide organization, and especially

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<v Speaker 5>at the upper echelines in management, you really had to

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<v Speaker 5>like stop them and slow them down and be like, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 5>I know you can't possible understand what it's like to

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<v Speaker 5>have this experience, but I need you to know that.

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<v Speaker 4>This is meaningful to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, there was another presenter on the show on a

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<v Speaker 5>triple J at the time called Evanie Wado who's of

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<v Speaker 5>African descent, and she got all kinds of horrible stuff

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<v Speaker 5>and when she went to the bosses, she had the

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<v Speaker 5>exact same thing happened, you know, where they were like, ah,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We kind of wanted to keep it raw and unfiltered,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And what it took was all of us going to

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<v Speaker 5>them and being like, this is hurting us a lot,

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<v Speaker 5>and this is actually making us worse at our jobs,

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<v Speaker 5>because every time someone calls me a gook or someone

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<v Speaker 5>tells me to go back to the where I'm fucking from,

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<v Speaker 5>it takes me two and a half three minutes to

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<v Speaker 5>recover from that. Well, I'm thinking about that and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not in I'm not My mind's not at you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a game, right, And I said to them, I have

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<v Speaker 5>to assume you don't know what it's like, because if

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<v Speaker 5>because what they said to us, They're like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 5>think because we're white, we try to understand what this

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<v Speaker 5>is like. And I was like, I think I have

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<v Speaker 5>to I have to assume you think that, because if

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<v Speaker 5>you could know what it was like and you still

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<v Speaker 5>did nothing, that would make you a pretty careless person,

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<v Speaker 5>a pretty careless person who doesn't care about the well

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<v Speaker 5>being of their employees. You've got a bunch of asking

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<v Speaker 5>you here to fix it. And so after a while

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<v Speaker 5>they decided to put in a filter on the text line.

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<v Speaker 5>So now if you text in racial slurs to triple J,

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<v Speaker 5>they won't get through. But what's nice, what's really great

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<v Speaker 5>is that racist are creative. Oh Scott, goooks with zeros,

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<v Speaker 5>you can spell?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>I love that you're still trying to make jokes about it.

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<v Speaker 6>But I am genuinely really sorry that you went through that.

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<v Speaker 6>I would have always said Australia's not a racist country.

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<v Speaker 6>I used to be that person, and I feel now

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<v Speaker 6>quite embarrassed that I ever said that, but I think

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<v Speaker 6>there was a level of ignorance.

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<v Speaker 2>I was blanket Australia's not a racist country.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I started to have more in depth conversations

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<v Speaker 6>with my friends with people of color.

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<v Speaker 2>My sister married a wonderful Indian.

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<v Speaker 6>Man, and when I started to have these conversations, I

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<v Speaker 6>realized that there are genuinely people that do not think

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<v Speaker 6>they are racist, or do not think they're making racist comments,

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<v Speaker 6>but they are making micro racism, micro racist comments and microaggressions.

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<v Speaker 6>And these are things that I didn't even know existed.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you talk to us a little bit about micro

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<v Speaker 6>racism and microaggression and what that looks like for people

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<v Speaker 6>that might not actually know because you, I imagine, experience

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<v Speaker 6>it on the regular.

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<v Speaker 5>So'st it's mostly white people here tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We actually can't really see because the lice.

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<v Speaker 5>So, like I guess when we talk about, like is

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<v Speaker 5>Australia racist country, you need to think about, like what

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<v Speaker 5>does the word racism mean to you? So for some

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<v Speaker 5>of us, when we think of racist, we think of

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<v Speaker 5>like new Nazi skinheads with swastika tattoos, you know, making

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<v Speaker 5>violent threats, and that's obviously racist. But then it's like

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<v Speaker 5>when we get all the way down to like, are

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<v Speaker 5>you just treating someone differently in a bad way because

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<v Speaker 5>of their ethnicity or their nationality or their race. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, it doesn't just have to be you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the classic Asian stuff of like oh you can't drive

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<v Speaker 5>or you know, it could also be like stuff like

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<v Speaker 5>I was told my entire life that I was great

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<v Speaker 5>at mass.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm like, fine, but like my t's just

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<v Speaker 4>like you should do foll in a mass, you should

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<v Speaker 4>defoid in a mass. I'm like, I'm like, fret, I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's the glasses.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just like it's like glasses, it's a you know

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<v Speaker 5>what I mean. So like, but then so like, I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's a version of it. I think there's like

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<v Speaker 5>also this thing that happens where like when you're starting

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<v Speaker 5>a new job. For me, certainly, and I wonder if

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<v Speaker 5>other Asian people or other people of color fields as well.

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<v Speaker 5>When you start a new job, you're just waiting for

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<v Speaker 5>the first time that someone in the office or at

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<v Speaker 5>the shop or wherever decides they are comfortable enough.

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<v Speaker 4>With you to make a racist joke.

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<v Speaker 5>And what's fun about that is they don't mean it

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<v Speaker 5>in a mean way. It's a joke between friends. But

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<v Speaker 5>it's what it does is it takes the control. It's

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<v Speaker 5>totally out of your life because you haven't said, Okay,

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.479
<v Speaker 5>it's cool because obviously friends say fuck shit to each

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<v Speaker 5>other all the time and it's fine. But what's weird

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<v Speaker 5>about this is like when your boss decides you're now

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<v Speaker 5>close enough for them to say that or you know,

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 5>and they don't mean it in like a hey, you're

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<v Speaker 5>not a human being or whatever way, but it's still

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<v Speaker 5>just like you're like, oh, okay, well that's what.

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<v Speaker 4>I am to you.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the most interesting thing to me is the thing

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<v Speaker 5>I have no control over. And I think that's the

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<v Speaker 5>thing that has really been the biggest effect in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>On that front.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael, how do you manage those experiences, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>when you work in the world of media and you're

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<v Speaker 3>being told by the big bosses like it's not that bad,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we want an open text line, or they're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to tell you to push down your experiences when

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 3>you kind of are in a.

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<v Speaker 2>World like the media world, so few.

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<v Speaker 3>Jobs and everyone is fighting for those positions, and then

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 3>you're also fighting for those positions as someone who is

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<v Speaker 3>a minority within the Australian media landscape, how do you

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<v Speaker 3>then decide what you feel comfortable to speak up against,

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 3>knowing that you're going to come up against backlash and

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 3>knowing that you're going to have people in powerful positions

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<v Speaker 3>being like, sh don't make it uncomfortable for everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, like it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I also feel the other way, which is

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<v Speaker 5>like sometimes I don't want to talk about it because

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:31.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, it doesn't feel like a huge thing compared

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<v Speaker 5>to the stuff other people go through, Like I see

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<v Speaker 5>the hate that like women who worked at the station

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 5>got the misogyny, or Indigenous people who worked at the

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.239
<v Speaker 5>station the stuff they got as well. So it's like

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 5>you kind of on one hand, you kind of feel

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 5>like I don't want to bring it up because I

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 5>don't want to be pretending, Like you almost feel like

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<v Speaker 5>you don't want to be competing against other people or whatever,

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 5>which isn't true. Obviously we're all we're all moving together.

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 5>But that's certainly something in the back of my head.

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<v Speaker 5>The big thing for me, I like you can see

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<v Speaker 5>when I was just trying to make jokes before. It's like,

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 5>that's what my natural reaction is. I want people in

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<v Speaker 5>the audience to have a good time. I want people

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 5>listening to the show to have a good time. So

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to keep things light and bright. And then

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 5>when you're like, oh, by the way, I got a

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 5>death threat from a white supremacist on the weekend. Lol,

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 5>it's like, doesn't hit the same. Yeah, It's like it's like, hey,

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 5>shop and play flume, you know what I mean. Like

0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 5>it's you know, like and I get it if you're

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<v Speaker 5>just like driving to work or driving home from work

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 5>and you hear us being like, hey, it's time for

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.959
<v Speaker 5>a serious chat about this man who wants to like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, who's threatening violence, and they're like, hey, I

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 5>just I didn't come here for this, you know. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think choosing for me and I don't know if

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 5>this is right or wrong, but it's like choosing the

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<v Speaker 5>moments and flagging the point so that, you know, flagging

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<v Speaker 5>it so that because I trust that most of the

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 5>people who listen to our show, for example, they listened

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 5>to their show because they liked the show and they

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 5>liked us as people, and so I liked flagging and

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 5>saying like, hey, today we're going to be talking about

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 5>some people more serious and letting people opt into it,

0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 5>because I also know that, like it can be quite

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 5>triggering for other people to listen to like stories about

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 5>racism and stuff, and so like trying to choose those moments.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing is, like, you also don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>be like known as the guy who like fucking like

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 5>goes out and then complains about white Australia.

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 4>If you want to be that guy, you want to

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 4>be a friendly, cool guy who's hanging.

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<v Speaker 3>Out, especially when you're a comedian, because you're like, I

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 3>want to be the funny guy.

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm the funny guy.

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 5>I want to talk about you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But in that I mean when it comes back

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<v Speaker 3>to comedy, where did that come from? Like this wants

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 3>to make people laugh, this want to create comedy that

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<v Speaker 3>is I know, I know we said that it's laced

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 3>with politics. But at the end of the day, is

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<v Speaker 3>there or was this something that you leant into when

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.719
<v Speaker 3>you were younger, as like this is my superpower.

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<v Speaker 5>So well I wouldn't call it my bank account, wouldn't

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 5>call it a superpower, but.

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 4>I think that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I grew up in a place called the sutherland Shire,

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 5>which if you don't know, is like a pretty conservative

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 5>part of Sydney.

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<v Speaker 4>It's where the Kernala riots happened. Did someone cheer that way?

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<v Speaker 5>Because in Canberra, of all places, and so like, I

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<v Speaker 5>grew up as like one of not many Chinese kids

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<v Speaker 5>in my year, right, and so it was obviously a

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<v Speaker 5>thing that affected me because my my I remember like

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<v Speaker 5>like like even from a young age, my teachers would

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<v Speaker 5>like we would have like a like an international food.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you had to bring food from your heritage.

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<v Speaker 5>And my my family are from like like they're Chinese,

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<v Speaker 5>but like generations back then from Walgot, which is like

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<v Speaker 5>a country town us of whales. So I brought in

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<v Speaker 5>Lamington's because I thought that was fun. And then and

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<v Speaker 5>my teacher was like, this will not do. And she

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<v Speaker 5>went across the cols and like and she thought again

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<v Speaker 5>she thought she was trying to do a nice thing.

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<v Speaker 5>She like went and bought like microwaves, spring rolls and

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<v Speaker 5>was like, Michael, this is what this is what people want, right,

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<v Speaker 5>And I think what she was trying to do is

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<v Speaker 5>explain she was trying to use this opportunity to teach

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<v Speaker 5>the class. Hey, like Chinese food is nice. I think

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<v Speaker 5>she was trying to do a nice thing, but obviously

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<v Speaker 5>the message I got from that was like, you're not Australian,

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<v Speaker 5>You're Chinese, right, And I think like moments like that

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<v Speaker 5>from my childhood made me have to have a thing

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<v Speaker 5>that was more interesting than being Chinese about myself, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And I wasn't good at sport and you know all

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<v Speaker 5>the other things that I wasn't smart enough. So it

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<v Speaker 5>was like, I can be the funny kid. And so,

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<v Speaker 5>like with all comedians, it basically comes back to childhood

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<v Speaker 5>trauma and a defense mechanism.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have wrapped up Triple J.

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<v Speaker 6>You're still in the project. What do you see in

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<v Speaker 6>your future? What do you see in the next five years?

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<v Speaker 6>Do you want to do stand up till the day

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<v Speaker 6>you die?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I love it. I love doing stand up.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I can't imagine anyone here has ever seen

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<v Speaker 5>me do stand up comedy. But it's the most fun.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the thing that brings me the most joy. I

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<v Speaker 5>love it so much. I would I will do it

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<v Speaker 5>for free in like rooms to four people.

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<v Speaker 4>I will. I will do it. I will tour nationally.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll do it forever, but in Australia because the comedy

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<v Speaker 5>scene so fucking crazy, you can, like, you can't really just.

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<v Speaker 4>Do stand up.

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 5>You've got to have like a TV show or like

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<v Speaker 5>a radio gig or whatever. So we left Triple J

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<v Speaker 5>and we started a podcast which is very exciting. It's

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<v Speaker 5>called it's called Silver Bullet. It's oh one person that's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the same person that chuned for the Croneala Riot.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a pro racism podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's a podcast where we we like my raad

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<v Speaker 5>up hunt of Lewis and I, we trial wellness trends.

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<v Speaker 5>So well, whatever it is, we'll give it a crack.

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<v Speaker 2>With its penis steamings.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah well we Grace Tane made us to hot yoga,

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<v Speaker 5>We went and tried to get botox. We've done Tom

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 5>Carter he might know from TikTok made us to eat

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<v Speaker 5>like the diet.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Dwayne the Rock Johnson for a week.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the anal sunning perandeums pandems. I want to Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to see that one. We

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<v Speaker 2>are coming into summer, so perfect time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, yeah, so there's that and then and also

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<v Speaker 5>doing the project and I want to I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to just like daily radio. You guys would

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<v Speaker 5>know what it's like daily radio. Your mind just is

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 5>like racing all the time. I just want to take

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<v Speaker 5>some time to make something cool, you know. I want

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<v Speaker 5>to I want to write something, or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>travel or I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got time to live my life. I got married,

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<v Speaker 4>which is kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like, you're in like Vogue wedding magazine or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>What an upgrade from Clear about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Take that Clear. If you're not gonna give you a bat,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in Vogue now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck you Clear, Michael.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that these conversations are really hard, and I

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<v Speaker 6>know you wanted to come out and just be a comedian.

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<v Speaker 2>Which you did do.

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<v Speaker 6>But we're really grateful that you have had these conversations

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<v Speaker 6>because Laura and I a big part of what we

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<v Speaker 6>want to do is always bring the laughs and make

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<v Speaker 6>people laugh, but we also want to educate people and

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<v Speaker 6>help people, and racism is a really big one and

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<v Speaker 6>a really important one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm super grateful that.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having Yeah, and also, I mean, coming

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<v Speaker 3>from someone who does spend so much of their time

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<v Speaker 3>being funny. I think it's so powerful to hear you

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<v Speaker 3>speak about and like I said, when I listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the TikTok that you put together and the way in

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<v Speaker 3>which throughout your career in media, people have been like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's not that bad, like just you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>take it. It's part and parcel of the job.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that unless you've ever experienced yourself, which

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<v Speaker 3>for us we never have, that you could ever comprehend

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<v Speaker 3>what that would be like. And we have experienced a

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<v Speaker 3>very different version of online trolling, and like the relentlessness

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<v Speaker 3>of it. It wears you down so much and it's

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<v Speaker 3>so hard to explain to people what it feels like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 5>But then like there's also like really great things as well,

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<v Speaker 5>Like you know, you get to come to Camber and

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<v Speaker 5>do a fun show, like it's nice. You know, it's not,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's not doesn't make the racism okay, obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you get to stay in a nice hotel

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<v Speaker 5>and drink some wine.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael, You're a fucking legend. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>coming and joining us out.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We're so grateful.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, guys, Michael hearing everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Hingers is just such a character. He's such a laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you found that episode really interesting and loved

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, guys, next week we're we're back to normal programming.

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<v Speaker 1>We have an incredible guest joining us next week. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'm allowed to say it in these recordings,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm not going to just in case, but if

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<v Speaker 1>I am allowed to, I'll come back and like re

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>edit it in or something like that. So I hope

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 1>you've enjoyed some of our live laughs. From some of

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>our live shows, We've had hangers, we had Elodie colland

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<v Speaker 1>we had flex and many you can go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to those if you missed them earlier.

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<v Speaker 5>In Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll be back in your ears next week. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to catch up with you and see

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<v Speaker 1>how you been, see how Britain Laura have been, how

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<v Speaker 1>they've been spending their summers. I'm sure that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have many, many, many updates. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the drill, Tell your mom, tell your dad,

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<v Speaker 1>tell your dog, tell your friends, and share the love.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we love bla