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Speaker 1: Well, it is Tuesday morning, and it is time for

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Speaker 1: the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association,

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Speaker 1: an Aboriginal owned, operated and community lead organization from the

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Speaker 1: top End to Tenant Creek and in the studio with

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Well, we've got Damian Hale, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Wolfie, how are you very well?

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Speaker 1: And we've also got Dave Tolmer, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Dave, great Katie.

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Speaker 1: Oh, good to see you both. And there's plenty happening

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Speaker 1: around the traps. But I do want to ask you

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Speaker 1: both very quickly. The governments. Obviously, the territory government's banned

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Speaker 1: visitors from taking advantage, they say, of Howard Springs Quarantine

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Speaker 1: Facility to gain entry into other states, as capacity is

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Speaker 1: set to hit three thousand by the end of the week.

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Speaker 1: There are two thousand people quarantining at Howard Springs most days.

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Speaker 1: That includes about thirty to forty percent of domestic travelers.

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Speaker 1: About eight hundred of them have arrived from domestic COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen hot spots, of which less than a quarter are

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Speaker 1: residents returning home for genuine reasons.

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Speaker 3: What do you think what's a genuine reason for coming

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Speaker 3: in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Australian for us to be like, oh no, we're not

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Speaker 1: allowing you to come here if you've got to go

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Speaker 1: to work somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: We're all in it together. However, we'll fight this together

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Speaker 4: as a nation. We're all in it together. However, we're

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Speaker 4: not going to share vaccines. We're going to shut our borders.

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Speaker 4: If you're from Victoria, we don't want you up here.

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Speaker 3: Like anyway.

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing. I just love the way the States bang.

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Speaker 4: They pulled up wolves like the rabbit prool fence across

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Speaker 4: as very much, very much in operation for Western Australia.

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Speaker 1: Was certainly a bit orkie seeing, you know, seeing the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Michael Gunna his you know what he was

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Speaker 1: saying obviously on Channel nine last night. Then they went

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Speaker 1: to footage of Mark McGowan in w A and him

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Speaker 1: being like what.

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Speaker 3: It's us.

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Speaker 5: Like he was legitimately surprised, and you think you.

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Speaker 1: Do wonder whether they pick up the phone to each

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Speaker 1: other and go mate, what will your WA residents coming

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Speaker 1: through Howard's breaks?

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Speaker 3: The question is hey do you I mean it's but

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Speaker 3: how many are they? I mean? How many you doing?

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Speaker 3: Sort of five f a work coming through the territory

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Speaker 3: quarantining for two weeks and going off somewhere. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: imagine there'd be too many doing two weeks on two

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Speaker 3: weeks off that to beware, and you know, living in

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Speaker 3: quarantine for two weeks is what's the point of leaving wall.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is.

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Speaker 3: I reckon they're those ones. They're probably one of the

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Speaker 3: few lots that are actually paying their bill.

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Speaker 2: That's the one I want to talk about. Who's paying

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Speaker 2: the freight.

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Speaker 4: Probably want to know who's putting their two and a

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Speaker 4: half up, and I'd be taking a I'd prioritize simply

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Speaker 4: on who's paying exactly exactly who's the way.

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Speaker 1: So there is the start that was obtained by the paper,

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Speaker 1: and he revealed it as of the thirtieth of June,

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Speaker 1: there was one eight hundred and thirty three quarantine fee

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Speaker 1: bills unpaid after ninety days from these seven nine hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty that were issued by INNT Health to domestic travelers.

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Speaker 1: So there's quite a substantial number that obviously aren't paying.

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Speaker 1: Apparently some of them are on payment plans or whatever.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Dave, it's like chasing up people that haven't voted,

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Speaker 4: Do you really want to do that as the government,

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Speaker 4: and like you in an election coming up in a

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Speaker 4: couple of years time, we'll have an election, and no

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Speaker 4: doubt it'll be very close and harshly forward election, i'd imagine,

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Speaker 4: and maybe chasing up locals to pay their two and

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Speaker 4: a half thousand won't be high on the priority. So

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Speaker 4: I'd be looking at saying, well, you know, well, loaded

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Speaker 4: up Fi Fi workers from the west that want to

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Speaker 4: go on holiday on the East coast on their swing,

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Speaker 4: let them be.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest. I mean, seriously, Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 1: Concerned about the current, but I just sort of look,

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Speaker 1: I just sort of think, I wonder why you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have these discussions sort of well behind.

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Speaker 2: Closed in front of the media.

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Speaker 3: We're just we're looking at it this way. I mean,

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Speaker 3: at least Michael gonna be saying, well, Dave told us

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Speaker 3: on the Katie Wolfshare talking positively about me.

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Speaker 2: It's worked, so.

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Speaker 4: We as long as we continue, I think Katie, the

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Speaker 4: main message in this is, you know, we're all in

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Speaker 4: it together.

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Speaker 2: Let's work together. People missing in action.

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Speaker 4: I'm now decided it's no longer called a rollout because

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Speaker 4: of rolling sort of like a momentum sort of movement.

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Speaker 4: It's more like a wander out, I think the vaccine

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Speaker 4: wander out or maybe a walkout like it's it's hardly rolling,

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Speaker 4: is it's hardly rolling.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's just it's good to it's sort

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Speaker 3: of been fair game for a while. And you're glad

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Speaker 3: in New South Wales in issue sort of in the I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think we're supposed to use for use those two

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Speaker 3: Glad a little glad in, you know, I mean, everybody's

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Speaker 3: been sorry the what do you call it? When you're

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Speaker 3: not having a pylon, you're having a idea.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's sort of they have been having.

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Speaker 3: A go on, and I think sort of seems like

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Speaker 3: make up a year is sort of he hadn't been

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Speaker 3: paying attention, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think we could actually say having a crack would

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Speaker 1: be you know, a better better term, maybe.

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Speaker 3: Good sort of imagination.

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Speaker 1: If it's not the only thing though making headlines at

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Speaker 1: the moment. Obviously the situation into State and Dave, I

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Speaker 1: know that you call it a pandemic pawn and I'm

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Speaker 1: not keen to go down that path, but the discussion

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Speaker 1: starting to sort of turn to that vaccine roll out,

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Speaker 1: when Australia is going to wake up, when the vaccine

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Speaker 1: wonder out, and when Australia is going to sort of

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Speaker 1: open up again because the situation we're in at the

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Speaker 1: moment is really tough. We all understand the health concerns,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: We all get that.

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Speaker 1: But the impact I think on mental health also, the

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Speaker 1: impact on business on tourism at the moment is massive.

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Speaker 1: It's really being hard felt all around the nation. Even

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Speaker 1: when you look at our you know, wherever you look,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of businesses even here in the territory,

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Speaker 1: even when you state isn't in lockdown, the impact on

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Speaker 1: other locations being in lockdown is having a big, big

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Speaker 4: Well. I think there was a bit of complacency with

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Speaker 4: the lockdowns. Well, the delta variant I think caught everyone

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Speaker 4: by surprise. We saw what was happening in India and

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Speaker 4: the spiking and the amount of people that were catching it,

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Speaker 4: and we've seen it on the East Coast, how quickly

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Speaker 4: it can go through areas and increasing numbers and it's

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Speaker 4: deadly like it's you know that a guy twenty seven

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Speaker 4: the symptoms come on very quickly and we've got you know,

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Speaker 4: I think there's around about one hundred people in intensive

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Speaker 2: So but vaccinations are the go.

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Speaker 4: That's why we just have to continue to get people vaccinated.

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Speaker 4: Like it amazes me when you see cars all lined

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Speaker 4: up for testing. Why don't they have somebody walking along

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Speaker 4: and giving them a jab at the same time.

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Speaker 2: You know, like, we need to just get people vaccinated.

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Speaker 3: I'm done where they want to or not?

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Speaker 2: Did you get yours?

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Speaker 3: Here we go? But I just wonder where are all

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Speaker 3: these women out there screaming my body my choice, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean goodness me to some people might choose not

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Speaker 3: to have it. You know, why should it be compulsory,

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Speaker 3: That's what I say. But I'm going to get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll get it.

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Speaker 2: But we'll still have that phobia for needles stage though't We.

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Speaker 3: Do want to.

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Speaker 1: Say that because I know that we have got there

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Speaker 1: is actually an article in the Australian Today Business has

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Speaker 1: called on the Morrison government to urgently clarify the law

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Speaker 1: on compulsory workplace vaccinations, saying that companies had to balance

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Speaker 1: the risk of manslaughter or negligence lawsuits against infringement of

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Speaker 1: individual rights. So the dilemma was highlighted last Thursday when

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Speaker 1: food processor SPC became the first non healthcare company to

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Speaker 1: mandate vaccines for all on site staff and visitors.

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Speaker 1: The company is based in Shepperdon in regional Victoria. They

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Speaker 1: said that they wanted all of their four hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty on site workers to be fully vaccinated by November,

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Speaker 1: arguing its strict COVID nineteen protocols fell short of what

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Speaker 1: was required for the highly infectious Delta variants.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I guess that.

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Speaker 3: Would be the next thing. Whren't people catching COVID from peaches, well,

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Speaker 3: peach COVID laced peaches.

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Speaker 1: And I think that to go back, you know, to

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Speaker 3: Well as facing a class concern here, is.

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Speaker 1: That that you know that for some businesses, they probably

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Speaker 1: are a bit worried or wondering what, you know, legally,

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Speaker 1: what they do or don't have to do in terms

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Speaker 1: mandate the vaccine, and then someone gets crooked from you know,

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Speaker 1: let's say an employer in there or employee in their workplace.

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Speaker 1: These are some of the battlegrounds, the legal battle field,

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Speaker 1: I suppose you'd say for businesses.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Alan Joyce came out right at the start,

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Speaker 4: didn't You said that Quanus will have no vaccine, no

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Speaker 4: me getting vaccinated because once it opens, I'm going straight

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Speaker 4: to Cuta and I've been very upfront about that, straight

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Speaker 4: to Bali, where I'll be sitting there drinking.

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Speaker 2: Pin takes on one ac.

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Speaker 3: He wants to get out of the place.

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Speaker 2: Hotel.

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Speaker 4: You know, when hotels want to start charging three hundred

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Speaker 4: you got to sort of say, all right, well, if

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Speaker 4: you're going to do that, I'll save my money and

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Speaker 4: I'll go elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: Get yourself a swag mate and get absolutely But I'm

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Speaker 3: going to bring this weekend. I don't know how I'm

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Speaker 3: going to cape actually crossing the gown.

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Speaker 5: Might there could be a photo of you on the board,

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Speaker 5: but I mean person to fill out this this ridiculous

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Speaker 5: form to get a board entry.

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Speaker 3: Pass into w you to do it to get into

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Speaker 3: the say where you're staying. I said, well, swag are

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Speaker 3: you laying? I did get in, but I'm staying in

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Speaker 3: a swag and you know I can't.

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Speaker 4: That's because he doesn't want to pay three hundred dollars

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Speaker 4: a night in the hotel.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not that. It's just to keep under the stars.

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Speaker 3: Especially where.

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Speaker 5: We're going to take a very short break. There's plenty

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Speaker 5: to cover off.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Big Issues with Dave Tolner

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Speaker 1: and Damian Hale on Mixed one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 1: Kolano Community Association is a one hundred percent owned and

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Speaker 1: operated Aboriginal organization and corporation and an NDIS provider that

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Speaker 1: offers disability support services across the top end to Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 1: They're committed to providing culturally appropriate and engaging services that

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Speaker 1: promote the well being of their participants tailored to their

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Speaker 1: personal goals. They offer supported independent living, medium and short

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Speaker 1: term accommodation. They're an MDIs registered supported independent living, medium

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Speaker 5: That's Kolano with a K three.

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Speaker 2: Sixty with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is listening mix one oh four point nine, one

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Speaker 1: It is just ten minutes away from eleven o'clock. I

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Speaker 1: the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association.

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Speaker 1: Now there's lots to well, there's always plenty happening nationally,

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Speaker 1: but I do want to take you both to an article. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's making new headlines all around the world. The world's

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Speaker 1: leading climate scientists have warned that the prospect of limiting

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Speaker 1: human activity had already warmed the planet by one point

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Speaker 1: zero seven degrees since the Industrial Revolution, and in a

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Speaker 5: So what do you both make of it?

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Speaker 3: Scary stuff in it.

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Speaker 1: For our children at ease, they're probably a bit.

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Speaker 2: It's coming forward in our lifetime as well.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the people that are alive now will start to

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Speaker 3: And catastrophus having a field at There's one.

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Speaker 1: To think to myself where I sit is I do

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably not the best at that, but

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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming I don't know how you both feel

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Speaker 3: I just find it wonderful. You know, how the the

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Speaker 3: they've all got magnificently wealthy from industrialization and the like,

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Speaker 3: The chances are getting China and India to commit to

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Speaker 1: Suddenly, I suppose that the rest of it's just kind

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Speaker 3: Worry, of course, No, No, the reality is we actually

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Speaker 3: but flogging the hell out of our economy and sinking

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Speaker 3: in Australia. But you know the way these catastrophists and

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Speaker 3: And if anybody's really interested in reducing these emissions, they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've all been in a global village.

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Speaker 2: We've all got to do our bit but we're all

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Speaker 3: We're all going to start fretting.

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Speaker 4: But trans like getting towards renewables quicker, and like we're

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Speaker 3: The fact tho the greatest us as of renewable energy

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Speaker 4: Like you've just had Barnaby Joyce and we'll watch it

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Speaker 4: So they bounce off each other and Barnaby just has

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Speaker 2: That's what in their own minds, that's what they'll be thinking.

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Speaker 4: So Australia, I think we need to be a leader

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Speaker 3: Well, the reality is Australia is a leader in the world.

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Speaker 3: We are leading in renewable energy. We're one of the

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Speaker 3: It's just it's unholy, and well it is. It's completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard him say unholy before.

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Speaker 1: It's little bit of religious.

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Speaker 4: It's never ceases to amaze, does it.

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Speaker 2: Unholy You're talking about.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I talk about.

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Speaker 4: All get a vaccine, Get vaccinated. I'm not coming into

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Speaker 4: this studio again until at least I will.

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Speaker 3: Get vaccinated, but I'm not going to take a damn

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Speaker 3: photo of myself getting vaccinated. Didn't actually in the community,

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Speaker 3: actually get you. I'm gonna photo on me.

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Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. But like you used to

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Speaker 2: have Donald Arnold Schwartznagger.

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Speaker 3: Back in the.

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Speaker 2: Back in the nightties, you would have got your shop

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Speaker 2: arms now.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's just been a really holy experience. See you back

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Speaker 2: again next week. Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Never you're listening to Mix one O four point nine

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Speaker 5: That was the big issues