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<v Speaker 2>as well. What are you really enjoying at the moment?

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<v Speaker 2>us yours. 0475 031043. Patsy, what's yours this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, as per a listener's recommendation last week, I have

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<v Speaker 3>started watching My Brilliant Career on Netflix, which is like

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<v Speaker 3>a new adaption of a 1900 novel by Miles Franklin.

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<v Speaker 3>We actually studied it at school, I think, in about

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<v Speaker 3>year 11, but it was also a movie in 1979

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<v Speaker 3>with Sam Neill and Judy Davis.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, wow. It was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>And we watched the movie at school as well. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a new adaption and it's really beautifully shot

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<v Speaker 3>in Aussie bushland. Like it's just so lovely. I could

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<v Speaker 3>almost smell the gum trees watching it. And it's brilliant.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this modern adaption and they've taken a leap.

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<v Speaker 1>You put all that effort into the relationship. And he'd

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<v Speaker 1>gone at six. I'm sorry. I also think you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, no.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I don't mind it. I don't mind it because

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<v Speaker 3>then I can move.

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<v Speaker 1>On to the next best thing. Ideally 12th.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to say, what's your eight?

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<v Speaker 1>Eight to 12. Eight minimum. Yeah. Otherwise, I'm not investing

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<v Speaker 1>it if it's six.

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<v Speaker 4>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Just as I get to know you, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>leave me.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you, Ray? What's your ideal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like Christian.

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<v Speaker 4>I like him a bit longer because once you're in there,

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<v Speaker 4>he's like, well, I want to stay in this world

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<v Speaker 4>for as long as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like reading a book and you already get into

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<v Speaker 2>it and you're saying, oh, no, I'm in the final third.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's all going to be over.

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<v Speaker 2>And I go through a morning after a great TV

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<v Speaker 2>show or a great book. I really miss that world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And how annoying is it having to find a new show?

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Decide between all the different ones. Oh, it's the worst.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>First world problems. How annoying is it to find a

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<v Speaker 1>new show? I'm going to have to Google something. Or

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<v Speaker 1>go like this. Click, click, wait. There's another billion shows.

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<v Speaker 1>There's too much pressure.

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<v Speaker 4>There's too much pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why we do Double Thumbs Up, guys. It's

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<v Speaker 1>why we're here. Why we're here. Okay, mine.

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<v Speaker 2>A brilliant TV show we are tailing through at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Furious. I've not seen a cat and mouse

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<v Speaker 2>detective show like this before. Two female leads. One is

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<v Speaker 2>an FBI detective. One is a female serial killer. It

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<v Speaker 2>is gripping, savage, timely. It is very, very, very good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's why a lot of people are saying this is

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<v Speaker 2>TV show of the year. I've never seen anything like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's some show. I cannot recommend enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Furious. It's on Disney +. That's great. Guilty

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure of mine, the brilliant new Reacher is back. Ludicrous.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you just want to see a very, very large

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<v Speaker 2>man smashing bad people in the face and throwing them

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<v Speaker 2>through the air into walls?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. Every episode that happens and it pleases me.

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<v Speaker 4>How many episodes are we talking?

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen so far five episodes. Okay. All those family

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<v Speaker 1>members who come in and they go, don't talk to

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<v Speaker 1>your dad right now. He's with Reacher. He's with his

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<v Speaker 1>other family. I think he's catnip for dads.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. In fact, I should just say, hey, dads. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an early Father's Day gift.

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<v Speaker 1>Our boy reaches back. Is he a spy?

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<v Speaker 2>Your dad's favorite TV show. He's a former military cop

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<v Speaker 2>who just drifts around. And where there's wrongdoing, suddenly, lo

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<v Speaker 2>and behold, guess who's there?

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<v Speaker 1>Richard. You got it, buddy. You got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Sean McAuliffe. I think he's really, really is

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<v Speaker 2>a classy, smart comedian. He's done this TV show called

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<v Speaker 2>Sean McAuliffe's Origin Stories. And the episode I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about is the one with the new king of comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now in Hollywood is someone every Australian should be

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<v Speaker 2>very proud of, Aaron Chen. The episode with Aaron Chen

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<v Speaker 2>is really surprising. Aaron has an act, a certain way

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<v Speaker 2>of doing things. And so I watched it thinking, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if he's going to stay in kind of character.

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<v Speaker 1>But he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a scene where they're having dinner where it

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<v Speaker 2>actually moves Sean to tears. And then it moved me

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<v Speaker 2>to tears as well. Just what an impact. And just

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<v Speaker 2>how much he admired Sean McAuliffe. Cannot recommend that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>on SBS on demand.

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<v Speaker 1>Really good.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the show where he sits down to dinner

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<v Speaker 4>with Aaron's aunt and uncle?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. I've seen a clip from that.

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<v Speaker 4>It looked incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch the show. It's really, really good.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a book I've just finished reading, which is brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>A Waiter in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>That is outstanding. It is so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, really good. Cannot recommend that enough. I read it

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<v Speaker 2>in two days flat. Brilliant memoir. Young guy trying to

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<v Speaker 2>become a waiter in Paris. If you loved Anthony Bourdain's book,

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<v Speaker 2>Kitchen Confidential, it's as good or.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to whisper it. I think it was better. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>I tried to listen to the audio book of Kitchen Confidential,

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<v Speaker 4>and the story is obviously incredible, but clearly Anthony Bourdain

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<v Speaker 4>has no interest in reading the audio book, and.

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<v Speaker 5>He's so lackluster and has no energy. He's so bored

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<v Speaker 5>in the audio book. Imagine being the producers that were

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<v Speaker 5>the light. Because doing an audio book, it takes about

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<v Speaker 5>three days. You better go two or three lines without

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<v Speaker 5>fluffing up. You have to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon none of them were brave enough to go, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you just fluffed up. Okay, now don't worry

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<v Speaker 2>about Anthony, actually. I think the way you pronounced it

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<v Speaker 2>is probably the right way. Don't bother Mr. Bourdain. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I got it years ago. And it actually sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>he's taking the piss.

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<v Speaker 4>It does, no.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know, mate? I was interested in your story. Rio,

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<v Speaker 2>you recommended a podcast this week on the show. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking a lot about the late, great Dolly Parton.

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<v Speaker 2>And I listened to it all day. Oh, no way.

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<v Speaker 4>Dolly Parton's America? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating. Fascinating. It's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I honestly knew absolutely nothing about Dolly Parton until

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<v Speaker 4>this podcast came out in 2019.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about six 40-minute, half-hour episodes. I burned through it

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<v Speaker 2>like an audio book. I couldn't stop listening to it

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<v Speaker 2>this week, and it's fascinating. I didn't know the true

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<v Speaker 2>story about I Would Always Love You.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the greatest love songs, but unlike any

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<v Speaker 2>other love song, it's not bitter. It doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>hit-the-road-jack-or-screw-you moment in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a song of grace.

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<v Speaker 2>Of an ending of a relationship with no bitterness or resentment,

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<v Speaker 2>just of grace. And she wrote it. The guy that

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<v Speaker 2>discovered her used to be like the, he had a

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<v Speaker 2>big country and Western TV show and the young stars

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<v Speaker 2>he discovered, he signed up and they were in pretty

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<v Speaker 2>dodgy ironclad contracts. Portner Wagner was the guy. She said

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<v Speaker 2>one day, I want to leave now. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>take a breakout from his camp and see if she

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<v Speaker 2>could go out into the world as a sound. He went,

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<v Speaker 2>no way. She went and wrote, I would always love you.

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<v Speaker 2>as a breakup song to him. She went into his office,

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<v Speaker 2>played it to him. It's actually giving me goosebumps, this story.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in a couple of years' time, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see this scene on a movie, aren't we?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can see it. She plays it to him.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, that's the greatest song you've ever written. And

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<v Speaker 1>he lets her go.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later, he sues her.

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<v Speaker 2>For a million and was bitter and mean throughout his

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<v Speaker 2>whole life to her. Multiple lawsuits. In this interview, in

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast series, though, they keep trying to push Dolly.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted to say how angry she was at the

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<v Speaker 2>way he treated her. And she refuses to. And in

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<v Speaker 2>the end, the interviewer says, you know, and in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you get over his unfair treatment to you?

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, I forgave him. She says the most

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<v Speaker 1>important quality in life is forgiveness. That's all there is.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible woman of real grace.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's amazing about the reaction to Dolly's death,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, it's not just all the music and the

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<v Speaker 2>incredible output and writing over 3,000 songs. I must have

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<v Speaker 2>checked that on Google a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's 300. That's a hell of a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Writing over 3,000 songs. The big thing that I think

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<v Speaker 2>has really affected us is her kindness and generosity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's enough to become an amazing singer and writer and

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<v Speaker 2>do that over multiple decades, run your own business empire,

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<v Speaker 2>but when no woman had done that before. But to

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<v Speaker 2>actually create that imagination library, I donated money to it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a charity she set up. that's helped over 320

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<v Speaker 2>million kids all over the world, is something, I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's the greatest living American person ever.

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<v Speaker 4>100%.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she reminds people, it must be quite sad

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<v Speaker 2>for America, I was thinking about this, she feels like

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<v Speaker 2>a bridge to an America that isn't there anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say anything more, I do not

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<v Speaker 2>want to make it political because she wasn't about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what it feels like. She was an embodiment

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<v Speaker 2>of what America dreamt it could be.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a great line in the podcast about her being

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<v Speaker 4>the great unifier. And they talk about how at the

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<v Speaker 4>concert there's drag queens, rednecks, lesbians, construction workers, gay guys,

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<v Speaker 4>straight people. There's everyone there and they're all getting along,

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<v Speaker 4>all talking to each other, having a great time. And

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<v Speaker 4>I can't think of any single other person who's had

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<v Speaker 4>that effect, especially this was in 2019 in a very

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<v Speaker 4>divided America. Yeah. And to be able to do that

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<v Speaker 4>and to live with such wisdom and grace and to

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<v Speaker 4>write incredible songs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In 2017, the New York Times asked their readers, what

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<v Speaker 2>can all Americans agree on?

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<v Speaker 1>The number one answer was Dolly Parton.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the greatest question and answer? Everything.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing, they can't politically, okay, but the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing they could all agree on was Dolly Pond.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's incredible, just the reaction to her.

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<v Speaker 2>And the last thing that I want to say really

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<v Speaker 2>about it this morning is that there's still a reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to her kindness, grace, and generosity, and service. She definitely

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<v Speaker 2>lived a life of services. Those are qualities and things

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<v Speaker 2>that any of us can have every single day. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to have written, I will always love you

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<v Speaker 2>and Jolene in one day. We can all be, I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote it down the other day, be more Dolly. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can all be a bit more Dolly. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we can take that into a weekend to keep that

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<v Speaker 2>spirit going.

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<v Speaker 1>The Christian O'Connell Show. Go on. Podcast.