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<v Speaker 1>Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose

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<v Speaker 1>lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their

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<v Speaker 1>elders past and present, Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on gadigal Land. Hi, guys, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Laura, and I'm kay sure, and I'm still it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry toler that you who were really looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>being finished with I'm a Celebrity, get me out of

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<v Speaker 2>here and being back on the podcast, you're stuck with

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<v Speaker 2>me for another week where.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on Safari.

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<v Speaker 4>She's having some time off, she's having some R and

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<v Speaker 4>R after what seems like a truly hectic ordeal.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she was in the jungle for a month,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you don't know how the show works, like

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end, they fly a loved one over so

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<v Speaker 2>that they can be there for the finale.

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<v Speaker 3>But because it kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of all plays out so quickly off the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the eliminations, her mum was flown over to South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're spending the week going on game drives to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get which you would be pretty pissed if you flew

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<v Speaker 4>all the way over there, your kid got kicked out,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you just had to fly straight home.

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<v Speaker 3>Water waste. It's pretty long journey to South Africa hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there are some flights that go like relatively direct,

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<v Speaker 2>but the one I took went up to Abu Dhabi

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<v Speaker 2>and then down to South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a really long journey.

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<v Speaker 4>What did you do when you were in Africa? Kisha,

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<v Speaker 4>let's just play that audio again for anyone who missed it.

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<v Speaker 3>It went fun jumping, Okay, it was great experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we've got one more week, so Britt is not

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<v Speaker 4>going to come back until next weekend, which means she

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<v Speaker 4>will be back on the podcast next week. Produce Keisha,

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<v Speaker 4>I'd just like to take this opportunity to say you

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<v Speaker 4>have done a fucking fantastic job.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, well done. I've had so they probably don't.

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<v Speaker 3>They probably like, wait, so one more episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually had so much fun recording with you over

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<v Speaker 2>the past month, so I'm glad I get to do

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<v Speaker 2>it for another week. But something that you mentioned last week,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm deeply invested in how Raspberry is going in your house.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm not deeply invested in is that we brought

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<v Speaker 2>it up on the podcast last week, and I potentially

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<v Speaker 2>made the mistake of saying, hey, guys, if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a cat and you don't think your cat's pee smells,

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<v Speaker 2>you're wrong and you need your friends to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we have been inundated with messages and one of

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<v Speaker 2>them was pretty full on.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been a couple of people who are deeply offended

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<v Speaker 4>by that, Like Kisha did say that if you have

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<v Speaker 4>a cat, then ninety nine point n percent of the

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<v Speaker 4>time your house smells like cat piss, and if you

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<v Speaker 4>think it doesn't, it's probably because it does. And some

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<v Speaker 4>of you guys were really offended. And I understand that

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm a cat person, so I know how that

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<v Speaker 4>would have upset you. But also it probably does because

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<v Speaker 4>my house stinks. It fucking stings every day. Man, you

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<v Speaker 4>got to clean that kitty litter every day. I already

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<v Speaker 4>got a white two asses a day. Now I've got

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<v Speaker 4>to clean kitty.

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<v Speaker 2>If you include your own, I forgot about line. Just

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<v Speaker 2>snap it off, don't on the go. Actually I have hemorrhoids.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing snaps off these days. Is that too much?

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<v Speaker 3>That's too much?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I would like to put it on the record,

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<v Speaker 2>though I'm not not a cat person. Like I like cats,

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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing against them. I'm more of a dog person.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're not a kitty litter person.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the thing, because the Life on Cut dms have

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<v Speaker 4>truly migrated over the past week. A week ago, every

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<v Speaker 4>single one of you would send us reels about plants,

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<v Speaker 4>like the amount of times I have been sent propagation

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<v Speaker 4>reels or that one old woman who's like outside holding

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<v Speaker 4>a tree in a storm like that reel.

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<v Speaker 2>I get sent it at least fifteen times a day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least you're into the plant content. They send

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<v Speaker 2>it to the Life one cut Instagram, which it's my.

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<v Speaker 3>Job to check the messages off, and I'm like, haha.

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<v Speaker 2>So funny.

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<v Speaker 4>So now Keisha only gets recommendations for kitty litter. One

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<v Speaker 4>person sent me a recommendation for a kitty litter that

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<v Speaker 4>we should purchase, like a kitty litter tray.

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<v Speaker 3>I shit you not.

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<v Speaker 4>It was five hundred and eighty dollars and I was like, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who you think I am, but currently

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<v Speaker 4>she's shitting in a cardboard box. A recyclable kitty litter

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<v Speaker 4>tray that I just would into the recycling bin.

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<v Speaker 3>Every three days. I'm not buying. I refuse.

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<v Speaker 4>I refuse to spend five hundred dollars on a cat toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to evaluate how much I detest the smell

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<v Speaker 2>of cat piss, because if it works, it's a real gamble.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a roll of the dice in an investment, you

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<v Speaker 2>expect that if you're paying five hundred and eighty dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for something to remove the smell of your cat piss,

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<v Speaker 2>that it will. If it worked, you would do it

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living bab Yeah, but I'd make sacrifices in

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<v Speaker 2>other I think I think that would be my upper limit.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I would be like, this is an

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<v Speaker 2>investment because it will bring me a lot more joy.

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<v Speaker 3>I won't have to just see this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd just like to point out that the kitty litter

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<v Speaker 4>tray cost twice the amount of the cat.

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<v Speaker 3>The cat cost half.

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<v Speaker 2>We've also seen quite a lot of content about how

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<v Speaker 2>to train your cat to poo win the toilet, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm for and I am going to keep you guys

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<v Speaker 2>abreast of this situation because when she at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think she could get onto the toilet without

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<v Speaker 2>falling in.

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<v Speaker 3>But as she gets a bit bigger.

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<v Speaker 4>I am going to have one of those households where

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<v Speaker 4>the cat just book just goes straight into the loo.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know we talked about it on Thursday, but

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<v Speaker 4>I'm this is happening. Follow along, Hey guys, lady in

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<v Speaker 4>a cat and follow my adventures. He document this, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I will. I will be incremable. But also I think

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<v Speaker 4>from like an update perspective. So Matt, he's not a

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<v Speaker 4>cat person. He will outwardly and happily say he prefers dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>He had no interest in getting a cat, but if

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted one, it was fine. I was you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he was like, you do what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not taking care of it. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to pat it. I'm not going to feed it. He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>it will just live alongside me, but I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to show it any interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 4>How the tables have turned Matt now is every night

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<v Speaker 4>the cat sits on Matt's lap. We wake up in

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<v Speaker 4>the morning and he's like, have you fed her yet?

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<v Speaker 4>She seems like she needs more food. She's meowing. Like

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<v Speaker 4>he's so invested in the cat. For everything to do

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<v Speaker 4>with the cat now, even like I left the door

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<v Speaker 4>slightly a jar because I went outside. I was putting

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<v Speaker 4>the clothes on the line, so I was right in

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<v Speaker 4>front of the door, and he was like, Laura, you

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<v Speaker 4>need to close the door.

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<v Speaker 3>The cat could get away. Like I thought you would

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<v Speaker 3>have been thrilled.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not shocked by this evolution, but I am surprised

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<v Speaker 2>by the time it's taken one week. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a bit longer. I thought it would kind

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<v Speaker 2>of be a gradual wearing down.

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<v Speaker 3>Process, but it seems it would be happening. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>because she's really she is very cute.

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<v Speaker 4>It's happened faster than what he managed to take to

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<v Speaker 4>our own children.

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<v Speaker 3>They're easier than children. It's true.

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<v Speaker 4>That's fine, yeah, but also it's kind of one of

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<v Speaker 4>those things that's annoying because I have done everything. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like the enthusiastic cat person, but the cat chooses the

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<v Speaker 4>one who's disinterested in him, Like that's the thing. The

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<v Speaker 4>cat prefers Matt, who doesn't show as much interest as

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<v Speaker 4>I do. But then I get rejected. Anyway, that's probably

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<v Speaker 4>enough catchat No. I think that that's for all pets.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you play a little hard to get

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<v Speaker 2>Delilah does this with me, and I know she's manipulating me.

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<v Speaker 3>This is for anyone who doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Britz Dog Delilah I often look after and I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>She prefers my boyfriend because he's a bit like indifferent

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<v Speaker 2>to it, like he likes her, but he will also

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<v Speaker 2>be like, get off the lounge and show a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more authority.

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<v Speaker 4>She's like, yeah, treat me mean. Baddy like it. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that animals like it, especially cats.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how they got the Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians,

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<v Speaker 2>to worship them.

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<v Speaker 4>They played hard to get That kind of works in

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<v Speaker 4>relationships as well, doesn't it. Anyway, Kish, there was something

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<v Speaker 4>I want to talk to you about, and it's something

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<v Speaker 4>that you have taken a real interest too recently. It

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<v Speaker 4>has been showing up in the Facebook group. It's something

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<v Speaker 4>that you have started your own little book club around,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is well, it's literature, but more so specifically

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<v Speaker 4>as you like to call it, literature, romance and sexy novels,

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<v Speaker 4>which I didn't realize that they'd made such a comeback,

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<v Speaker 4>and that this is a thing that this is like

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<v Speaker 4>a genre of books that people are deeply into. But

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<v Speaker 4>there's a whole subcategory for it on TikTok at the

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<v Speaker 4>moment as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just to be clear, this is not a new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a new thing for me, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>a beginner to this. There is such a fierce culture

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<v Speaker 2>behind smut book talk, and I'll get into.

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<v Speaker 3>That smutty talk that I feel a little bit like.

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<v Speaker 2>Me talking about on a podcast is like the most

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<v Speaker 2>beginner entry level, like not even toenail being dipped in.

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<v Speaker 2>And there will be people who are experts in this

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<v Speaker 2>field who are like, oh my god, so please don't

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<v Speaker 2>message me telling me that everything that I'm saying is wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm mute to this and I'm just having a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of fun in it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry about how can you be wrong when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to reading smutty literature.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand how there's a right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that there's such a deep subcategory or

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<v Speaker 4>subculture of smuttiness out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because even when I posted in the Facebook group

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<v Speaker 2>about it being called literature, I was told that that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the most appropriate term, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like an amalgamation of clit and literasy literature.

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<v Speaker 3>What is the most appropriate term well, it seems to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know whether this is because of algorithms

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<v Speaker 2>like censoring certain words, but it seems to be as

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<v Speaker 2>though smut and hashtag spicy.

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<v Speaker 3>Book talk are the most used or smut books.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I just say if people are getting offended by

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<v Speaker 4>the word litera chart because they're saying it's not the

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<v Speaker 4>most on trend, people need to stop being offended by

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<v Speaker 4>things or go touch grass, Like, we get offended by

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, and I'm okay with it, but I draw

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<v Speaker 4>the line at smut talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there might be a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>like a Again, don't the best way to describe this.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially, authors who are prolific.

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<v Speaker 2>In this space and are very very successful have been

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<v Speaker 2>slightly diminished in the authoring world because of the type

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<v Speaker 2>of content that.

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<v Speaker 3>They write, and it because they're writing pornos.

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<v Speaker 2>Well kind of, and people are like, it's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>patronizing to not recognize their success as great as we

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<v Speaker 2>should because they are just as you know. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do understand that there could be something a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more deep behind it, But I.

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<v Speaker 3>Really like the word and I think it's fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So for someone who sits on the other end

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<v Speaker 4>of the spectrum. Like, I love reading, and when I

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<v Speaker 4>have time to do so, I always get reminded by

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<v Speaker 4>how much I enjoy it. But I don't have the

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<v Speaker 4>time at the moment, and I certainly haven't invested into

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<v Speaker 4>anything that smutty. And what I mean by that is like,

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<v Speaker 4>probably the smuttiest thing that I read at the time

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<v Speaker 4>was Fifty Shades of Gray, like the series.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I don't even think was that. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty vanilla really well. I mean, I've never read it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've also never seen the movies. Very vanilla.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that was like the world's introduction to

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<v Speaker 2>that type of content. I think it existed long before it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it became very popular at the time, and now

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<v Speaker 2>on tik talk, over.

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<v Speaker 3>Four point eight billion.

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<v Speaker 2>People use the hashtags either smart smart books or spicy

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<v Speaker 2>book talks. So it's like this whole genre of erotic

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<v Speaker 2>romance and it's specifically centered around female pleasure. So the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I actually initially kind of decided that I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to dip my toe in smart books is because I

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<v Speaker 2>saw this post in the Life on Cut discussion group,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was from a woman who was saying she

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<v Speaker 2>was a couple of months postpartum, she was basically saying

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<v Speaker 2>that her libido had gone to shit, and she was like, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to help. How do I get my sex

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<v Speaker 2>drive back? And quite a few of the comments from

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<v Speaker 2>people were saying, you need to get into these types

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<v Speaker 2>of books because they will absolutely turn you on, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Will your libido will be back, just believe me. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, wow, that's kind of is this the

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<v Speaker 3>secret sauce to the Tingles?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in my own life, like I have seen, I've

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<v Speaker 2>felt a little bit of a decrease in my sex drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be hormonal.

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<v Speaker 2>Not sure what's going on there, but I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to get into this, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>much of a reader.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, can we read for work like we

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<v Speaker 3>often read? Totally we're not reading for pleasure quote unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do get a lot of pleasure out of

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<v Speaker 2>the books of the authors that we have on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've not really It's not something that I do

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<v Speaker 2>for myself, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I thought, Okay, I need to get into reading.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to do this before bed blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was talking about it with a group of

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<v Speaker 2>my girlfriends at the beach and we decided, like I

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<v Speaker 2>think like a lot of women do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We were like, let's start a book club. So, way

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<v Speaker 3>is your book club that you have?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it only smutty books or is it anything books?

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<v Speaker 4>Because do you read like female pleasure porn and then

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<v Speaker 4>all talk about it in a group chat.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but it's very new.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am the connective tissue of this group because

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<v Speaker 2>what ended up happening is that I had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of friends that wanted to catch up on a Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a couple of weeks ago. This'd be like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe six weeks ago, and I was like, let's go

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<v Speaker 3>to the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I had more friends that wanted to catch

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<v Speaker 2>up and I was like, oh, well just come along.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a it'll be a group hang and

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<v Speaker 2>you can meet the other girls. And it was me

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<v Speaker 2>who was like, oh, I need to get more into reading.

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<v Speaker 2>And quite a few of those girls are already readers.

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<v Speaker 2>So we decided to make a WhatsApp group and we

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<v Speaker 2>called it book club. And because I was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the instigator of it, I was like, guys, I'll choose

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<v Speaker 2>the first book, which is where I went wrong because.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not the reader.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, producer Keisha brought the book that she recommended today

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<v Speaker 4>and it is sitting there next to computer because you

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<v Speaker 4>just hold it up for anyone who's watching on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this was recommended in the Facebook group. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>Pucking Around. It's by Emily Wrath and it's got two

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<v Speaker 2>hockey sticks on the front. Great if you love a

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<v Speaker 2>part pucking Around. It's about hockey, right, so ice hockey,

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<v Speaker 2>which is hot. Anyway, I did not realize that this

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<v Speaker 2>book was seven hundred pages.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like Shanta ram Verse Pucking Around. They're kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the same size. That's an ambitious read for a

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<v Speaker 4>first one. But can you just like open up a page.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to see I want to see the.

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<v Speaker 3>Level of read it to me in a dirty voice

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<v Speaker 3>I feel as as I read this too, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to make eye contact. I don't know if that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to stop touching yourself. Okay, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I gladly fall to my elbows on the counter, a

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<v Speaker 2>smile on my face as he buries his hand between

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<v Speaker 2>my legs. His other hand massages my ass cheek, giving

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<v Speaker 2>it a sharp slap that I feel straight through my clip.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna take me deep, he orders, pressing in with

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<v Speaker 2>his hips, his cock wet with my release. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're not listening to this with children in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we should do on a warning.

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<v Speaker 2>My bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, Well we did say we were going to read it,

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<v Speaker 4>so if your kids are listening, that's your fault.

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<v Speaker 2>As he slides it in between my legs, please a whimper.

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<v Speaker 2>You want me to come inside you, don't you, he teases, softly,

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<v Speaker 2>nipping the lobe.

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<v Speaker 3>Of my ear. How frequently does this happen throughout the book?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it like every five pages? Is it like every

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<v Speaker 4>is it every chapter?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm quite shamefully so little through it that you

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<v Speaker 2>already reached this part?

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<v Speaker 3>No I didn't. Actually, the funniest part is that to read.

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<v Speaker 2>That, I just flicked to a random page and like

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<v Speaker 2>that's the level of horny. But my friends who have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten their way through the entire seven hundred pages, like

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<v Speaker 2>these are some of the messages that have come in

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<v Speaker 2>my WhatsApp group, I just screenshot them. Guys, this book

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<v Speaker 2>is legit making the horny teenager same, Like it's such

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<v Speaker 2>a light read, but there's so much sex.

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<v Speaker 3>How did she randomly stumble into three guys this horny?

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, my answer is it absolutely will get your

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<v Speaker 2>juices flowing. I don't know whether you're going to think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's like a literature masterpiece. It's definitely not poetry.

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<v Speaker 3>But I quite like that. You know, I'm gonna compare

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<v Speaker 3>it to something like Jane Austen. That's a heavy read.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 2>The language is very like delicate, and it's very flowery

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<v Speaker 2>about this.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the thing that about this that is interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>We talk so much about like how do you get

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<v Speaker 4>desire back in your relationship? How do you get your

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<v Speaker 4>libido back? This isn't completely no pressure way of going

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<v Speaker 4>about it. And not only is it no pressure, but

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<v Speaker 4>if you're in a relationship, your partner doesn't even need

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<v Speaker 4>to know that that's the reason why you're reading it,

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<v Speaker 4>Like they don't need to know what's in it. You

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<v Speaker 4>could be sitting in bed reading a book and your

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<v Speaker 4>partner would have no knowledge of what the contents is,

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<v Speaker 4>so you could use it as like a bit of

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<v Speaker 4>a self experiment and it would be very little pressure

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Yeah, there's something that feels quite classy about it with.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's funny you mentioned that the person next to

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<v Speaker 2>you won't know that that's what you're doing. One of

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<v Speaker 2>my girlfriends put a message in the group chat.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what it said. She wrote, I'm currently on a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled out the book and a lady walked past

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<v Speaker 2>me to go to the bathroom, and in front of everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>she went, you're bold that one's filthy.

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<v Speaker 3>So this stranger will it takes one to know one?

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<v Speaker 3>You clearly read it exactly exactly?

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<v Speaker 4>Would you read this in public or would you only

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<v Speaker 4>say this for nighttimes?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I feel the pressure right now to read

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<v Speaker 2>it in public because I'm so far behind for book club.

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<v Speaker 3>That I'm feeling the pressure that I need to catch up.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're having book club tomorrow night and I've only

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<v Speaker 2>gotten through not even a.

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<v Speaker 3>Quarter of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And do you read this and then want to have

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<v Speaker 4>sex with your partner? It definitely increases the arousal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but usually in my situation, I probably need to

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<v Speaker 2>change the timing of my reading because he's asleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Bud, You're like, hello, wait, wait, take it up early

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<v Speaker 3>for work.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, if you I mean, if you have any recommendations,

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<v Speaker 4>if you've read a smutty book and you were like

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<v Speaker 4>that one really got the Fanny Tingles going put it

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<v Speaker 4>into the Facebook group because then we'll start a thread

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<v Speaker 4>in there. I think for anybody who is wanting to

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<v Speaker 4>get their libido back, who is wanting to take matters

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<v Speaker 4>into their own hands and would try anything, but also

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't want the pressure of having to try everything, this

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<v Speaker 4>could be a really great place to start, So like, put.

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<v Speaker 3>It in there.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that it exists on TikTok and everything else,

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<v Speaker 4>and you can find them yourselves. But if you've read

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<v Speaker 4>it and you've done the research, share it. Don't gate

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<v Speaker 4>keeper that stuff. Share it with the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 4>What it was really lovely is it?

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<v Speaker 2>When I asked for recommendations, there were so many, So

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<v Speaker 2>I love that there.

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<v Speaker 3>Are women who are like this one was great for me.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a lot of different types, Like there's fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>based and I don't mean fantasy in how we would

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<v Speaker 2>talk about sexual fantasy that also exists, like there's one

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<v Speaker 2>for all different kings.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean they're on the moon, and like living with fairy.

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<v Speaker 2>There actually are ones that involve like a fantasy style

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<v Speaker 2>that's not my personal type of content.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked this one because it kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Centered around sport, and I was like, well, I'm into that,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll read the ice hockey based one.

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<v Speaker 3>What about it? You wrote down here? Fairy porn? What's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? That's something I thought it was new, but it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out it's been around since, like the term has

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<v Speaker 2>been around since like twenty twenty one. Apparently there's a

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<v Speaker 2>type of erotic literature where it centers around.

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<v Speaker 4>Fairy This is like cosplay. This is cosplay porn.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what point it turns into bctlity, but

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<v Speaker 2>fairyes aren't animals.

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<v Speaker 3>They're humans with wings, not tiny humans.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know when it becomes more about like the

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<v Speaker 2>other creatures in the woods, but that's up to you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a really good This came recommended to me

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, and I've started following her on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok and name is Tierney Reads and she there's heaps

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<v Speaker 2>of people who do this kind of thing on BookTok.

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<v Speaker 3>So they review smart books and they will put up.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the stars of what they think of the actual book,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'll also put up chili's to.

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<v Speaker 3>Say how spicy was. So I'm just dipping my toe

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<v Speaker 3>in the low chili ones.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure that you can find something that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of goes with your own interests as well, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so so many of them. And look, I actually have

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<v Speaker 2>found it a really fun way to kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>my sex drive. I know that that sounds like it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that I feel a little bit uncomfortable talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>being like.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, guys, my sex show's been really lowly. Ever, everyone's

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<v Speaker 3>sex drive goes up and down.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you were like I only have a high

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<v Speaker 4>sex drive, I'd be like, get out Kisha boring. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think also when you're in long term relationships or

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<v Speaker 4>you're living with your partner and you see them all

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<v Speaker 4>the time and there's not the desire and the intensity anymore,

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<v Speaker 4>Like that's just a I don't want to say it's

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<v Speaker 4>normal and that it has to happen to everyone, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think for a lot of us that's a normal

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<v Speaker 4>ebb and flow of a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently it can be a really fun way for

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<v Speaker 2>people to explore kink, so to kind of dip their

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<v Speaker 2>toe in it without actually being the person who's dipping

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<v Speaker 2>their toe in it, because you're kind of experiencing it

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<v Speaker 2>secondhand through reading about it, and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people have found different things that they're into through reading

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<v Speaker 2>the books.

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<v Speaker 4>Most things that's center around pleasure are for pleasure for men.

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<v Speaker 4>Right like porn, most porn is made for men. Even

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<v Speaker 4>porn that's made for women still often has a palatability

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<v Speaker 4>towards men, whereas these books are very much written for

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<v Speaker 4>women's pleasure, and the way in which they're written, the

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<v Speaker 4>people who are consuming this are women.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you get into this type of real can need

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<v Speaker 2>to pass it on after I'm done?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you wipe it down first?

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<v Speaker 4>Now, something that the entire world is talking about at

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<v Speaker 4>the moment is Taylor Swift And part of me hates

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<v Speaker 4>that we're talking about it, not because I don't adore her,

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<v Speaker 4>but because I am sure that there's people out there

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<v Speaker 4>who have had enough, because if you're not as Swiftie,

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<v Speaker 4>you're probably sick of hearing about her, because every single

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.240
<v Speaker 4>person is talking about her at the moment. Every news outlet,

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<v Speaker 4>every fucking podcast, every article or everything posted on Instagram, like,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody is talking about her.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel a little nervous talking about her because I

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<v Speaker 2>really like Taylor, But you're like I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong and they'll come for me. There are people

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<v Speaker 2>who know much more, and I don't want to speak

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<v Speaker 2>from a position of power, and we don't.

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<v Speaker 4>We absolutely don't. We are not those people like you

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<v Speaker 4>guys know. I am very much enjoy it. Had so

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<v Speaker 4>much fun at the concert. She is incredible. Do I

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<v Speaker 4>know the intricacies of her and her cat's names, No,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't, but I still very much value it. And

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<v Speaker 4>I also love the new album. Listen to it all

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<v Speaker 4>the weekend. Okay, so for anyone who doesn't know, which

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<v Speaker 4>I know, they don't exist, but the new album came

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<v Speaker 4>out the Torture Poets Department. It's what she teased on

0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 4>her recent ERR's tour. And I think there's been so

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<v Speaker 4>many people who have been waiting with beta breath for

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<v Speaker 4>this to drop, which it did on Friday last.

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<v Speaker 2>Week, and then she had a double surprise and she

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<v Speaker 2>ended up dropping two albums.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not when you're Taylor Swift day Like, why not?

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Wend does this woman's sleep?

0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you've just been touring the world for however many years?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you also have the time to record that

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<v Speaker 2>much music? I don't think that sleep is one of

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<v Speaker 2>her hobbies like it is for you, K. I don't

0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.280
<v Speaker 2>think she has a sleep app. I reckon she's if

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<v Speaker 2>she was going to actually document it to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>Actually take that back, Taylor Swift is good at everything

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<v Speaker 2>she does.

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<v Speaker 3>She's probably even good at sleep. Yeah, she'd have better

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<v Speaker 3>sleep hygiene.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's devastating to me because it's something I really

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<v Speaker 2>care about. Look, I did also listen to I Haven't

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>made my whole way through it. There are people who

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.480
<v Speaker 2>were so in Taylor Swift's world that they were like, Okay,

0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm clearing my weekend plans and I want to sit

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<v Speaker 2>down with headphones on.

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<v Speaker 3>From wo to Go, people had listening parties.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on Instagram on Friday night and people were

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<v Speaker 4>doing live listen parties where they were streaming their reactions

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<v Speaker 4>to listening to the music.

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 3>So they were like that for their people were.

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<v Speaker 4>Like crying and screen and the amount of energy that

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<v Speaker 4>one must need to maintain to get through two albums

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 4>with that sort of intensity. I didn't have that, but

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate that people out there are so invested in

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<v Speaker 4>doing this it's almost unfathomable.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the rip she has.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but for the length of time that she's had

0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 4>it and for how that kind of just maintains, Like

0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.280
<v Speaker 4>the fact that we've just done this Taylor's with frenzy

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<v Speaker 4>of the aerostour, and now she's managed to bring it

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<v Speaker 4>back up again and go for a round two.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really quite remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>What I find really remarkable is that she has such

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 2>a unique way of making whatever she's experiencing in her

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<v Speaker 2>music relatable for people.

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.199
<v Speaker 3>And I actually noticed that in this whole album.

0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think most people were assuming that this was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a Joe Alwen breakup album. They were

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<v Speaker 2>together for like six years or something, and there are

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 2>absolutely there are songs about him on the album, but

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I think most people were expecting more, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>expecting her to kind of go.

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<v Speaker 4>A little maybe harder on he can take down, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and I have to destroy him.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I have heard every song, but from

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.520
<v Speaker 2>what I've heard and what I've read, it seems as

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 2>though either they had a relatively non nasty breakup or

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.200
<v Speaker 2>she's doing the classy route of like I'm not gonna

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.639
<v Speaker 2>shit on you too much in this album. Who she

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.399
<v Speaker 2>did shit on was Mattie Healy. I think for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people who are, especially those who are dating.

0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 2>There are so many songs about breakups, and there are

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 2>so many songs about breakups of these deep loves, these

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 2>long term relationships, but I don't feel as though there's

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<v Speaker 2>as much written about the two month relationships. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you're dating, you're often going through that emotional rollercoaster so frequently,

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 2>but you're not really given the validation perhaps of like

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>it's reasonable that you feel this upset or it's reasonable

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<v Speaker 2>that you have this much emotion about this situationship that

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<v Speaker 2>totroken down.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if anything, most of the time you're invalidated. It's

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 4>not even it's the opposite. It's like when and especially

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 4>if you're the person who is in that dating cycle

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 4>and you have friends who are in long term relationships.

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 4>Often when someone goes through like another relationship failure or

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<v Speaker 4>another one that doesn't quite work out, even though it's

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 4>been very short lived and from the outset, they weren't

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 4>that invested in it. The person who's upset isn't even

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.199
<v Speaker 4>necessarily that upset about that relationship. They're upset about the

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 4>fact that they're once again it didn't happen for them,

0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 4>or once again they're back into this like having to

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<v Speaker 4>date cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess totally. It's that yo yo of excitement dist excitement.

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>And I really like that Taylor included so much of

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 2>this album centered around those emotions, and for her it

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>was with Maddie Healy and they they're roomed to have

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>dated for like two months, you know, a month, two three?

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Who knows?

0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 3>For everyone whose.

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Experienced love, they're like, well, I can relate to at

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.399
<v Speaker 2>least some part of this I thought was very smart. Mmmm.

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.479
<v Speaker 4>Well, the thing that we wanted to talk about, I mean,

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 4>there's been a few Easter eggs, and the stories that

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 4>have received like the most media attention are like the

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.439
<v Speaker 4>spat between her and Kim Kardashian and that having in

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 4>a little Easter egg, and then obviously the Matti Heey stuff.

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 4>But one of the topics that came up off the

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<v Speaker 4>weekend and the thing that we wanted to have a

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<v Speaker 4>discussion about is one of the songs, which is called

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<v Speaker 4>the Black Dog. Now, this song is about Joe Owen

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 4>and it's about their relationship and more specifically around when

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<v Speaker 4>they had gone through their breakup.

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<v Speaker 3>And these are the lyrics.

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<v Speaker 4>I am someone who until recent events, you shared your

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 4>secrets with and your location. You forgot to turn it off,

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 4>And so I watch as you walk into some bar

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<v Speaker 4>called the Black Dog and pierce new holes in my heart.

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 4>You forgot to turn it off, and it hits me.

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<v Speaker 3>Which can we.

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<v Speaker 4>Just take a moment and all like untangle ourselves from

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 4>the tailor's swift frenzy and everything else, because I know

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 4>she can do no wrong.

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, she's singing a song.

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 4>About how she still looks at her ex boyfriend's location

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 4>services because he still has Find my Friends on. She

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<v Speaker 4>is and I don't want to use a word that's

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 4>loaded with a lot of negativity, but she's stalking his location.

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 4>She knows where he is without him giving actual direct consent,

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<v Speaker 4>because I would say that when you break up with someone,

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<v Speaker 4>the consent that you have given for them to track

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<v Speaker 4>your location is instantly removed. Yes, I do think it's

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 4>slightly softer than that, though, because it's not like she

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.880
<v Speaker 4>broke into his phone and loaded it up there without

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 4>him knowing about it.

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 3>He's just forgotten to turn it off.

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>As she said, she said, you forgot to turn it off,

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>So I mean he forgot to.

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Turn it off.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, and I don't want to point bubs because

0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of us have been in this situation.

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 4>But just because someone forgets to turn off their location services,

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 4>you've been through a breakup, you had access to their

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<v Speaker 4>location up until that point. There has to be a

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 4>point of self control where you go. I'm not supposed

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 4>to see this anymore, So I'm gonna unfollow this person's

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 4>notifications as to where they are.

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but with correct me if I'm wrong.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.640
<v Speaker 2>With find my I am assuming this is iPhone and

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 2>like find my Friends or whatever it is in the app. Apparently,

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>when you stop viewing someone's location or they stop sharing

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.680
<v Speaker 2>it with you, you get a notification. So it's kind

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>of like unf friending someone on Facebook. If you be

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 2>them getting a notification that you've done it, it's like

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>a whole other step of For me, it would feel

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit like a dagger of like, wow, that's everything

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>in my life is changing, and that's a perfect symbol

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of what is changing in my life.

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 3>They you know, we used to share everything.

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>We used to share a home, we used to share

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>where we were so for safety, and now that too

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 2>has ended. I feel as though it could be something

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>that if you went through an amicable breakup. You might

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>just delay doing that for a bit because you're like,

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to rub the salt.

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 3>In the wound. It's like the finality of it.

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I understand that, I think, and I like,

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 4>don't get me wrong, this is not me getting on

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 4>my high horse being.

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Like this is so problematic. It's creating a culture, Like

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it is.

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that this is going to have like

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 4>long term cultural impacts on people. But it does create

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of a gray area, I guess because

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 4>so many of us behave in ways that are not

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 4>Like if you said to me when you've been through

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 4>a breakup that you were still tracking your ex boyfriend's location,

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 4>I would, as a friend say to you, Keisha, you're

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 4>being crazy and you need to stop that because that

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 4>is really unhealthy. And I don't care if you've been

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 4>broken up for a week or you've been broken up

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 4>for two months, you need to stop. And from your

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 4>own level of self preservation and also from a place

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 4>of his privacy, you need to be the bigger person

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 4>and unfollow that, regardless of whether he gets notified or not.

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 4>So I think it's a very interesting call as someone

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 4>who is such a huge public figure as what she

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 4>is to admit that this is something that she's still doing,

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 4>because it is such undesirable behavior that we would call

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 4>out of any of our friends if they were doing it.

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 3>I completely agree.

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I remember times in my life, particularly when I dated

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>toxic people, and I'm thinking of one in particular, and like,

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I am not proud to admit, but I used to

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>look at his social media like a hawk, Like as

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>soon as we broke up, I would be like, what

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 2>are you doing?

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 2>But I guess there's a difference in that because he

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.479
<v Speaker 2>has a choice as to what he posts. And I

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>also think that he probably posted things to deliberately spite me,

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 2>like you know, post the Instagram stories out at the

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 2>bars and like the little insinuations that you're like, oh, okay,

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>you're moving on totally.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 4>But I think that that's very, very different for two reasons.

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 4>One because it's obviously curated, and two because the time

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 4>you know you're not actually you don't need to post live.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 4>You don't need to post where you are, when you're

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 4>there and what you're doing. People can choose to do that,

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 4>and they can choose to post live or they can

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 4>save those photos and post them the next day, whereas

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 4>like when you've got someone's location services on, you know

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<v Speaker 4>where they are, you know what they're doing. Maybe like

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 4>we're unpacking this in too much of a granular level,

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, there would be people who

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<v Speaker 4>just genuinely forgot that someone's able to see their whereabouts,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that that creates a real problem. I

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<v Speaker 4>do think that once you're not in a relationship anymore,

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 4>their implied consent around knowing where that person is at

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<v Speaker 4>all times is instantly taken away. So whether they remove

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 4>it from your phone or they don't, you should be

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 4>removing it from your phone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I completely agree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Imagine writing a fucking song about that's inside thoughts, they thoughts,

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 4>that's stuff that should not be shared with three hundred

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 4>million people.

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<v Speaker 3>Put that in your diary.

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 4>I know she, I know that her songs are her

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 4>verbal diary, but she needs a real one as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there is a certain amount of vulnerability

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>to that that I go, oh, yeah, I can see

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>why you felt like you wanted to just know what

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 2>they were doing.

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 3>And I'm talking about non.

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Problematic relationships Obviously there is a very dark side to

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 2>location track total that we're I'm not referring to that

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>right now, but how do you actually feel about location

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 2>tracking in general? Because I do not have one person

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 2>that knows where I am at all times, neither.

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't have it on my phone.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an interesting one to me because I would say

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<v Speaker 4>the only times were I've ever felt as though I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to have location tracking on a partner's phone was

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.719
<v Speaker 4>because I didn't trust them. So therefore my intentions behind

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.840
<v Speaker 4>having it wasn't pure. It was to keep tabs on

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 4>them because the relationship was toxic. He often wasn't where

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 4>he said he was going to be, and he lied

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<v Speaker 4>a lot, So my version of real reality was always

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<v Speaker 4>being challenged because my intuition and everything about myself was

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.479
<v Speaker 4>saying this is not true. He is lying, but he

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 4>would be saying something to me point black, as though

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 4>it was fact. And I think when you have that

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 4>push and pull in yourself, you often try and reach

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 4>for any sort of truth, and so location services can

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 4>provide that. Whereas like in my relationship with Matt, now

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 4>Matt would have no problem with doing it, but there's

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<v Speaker 4>no part of me that feels as though I need

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 4>to do it. I don't care to know where he is.

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 4>I know some people do it as a safety thing.

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 4>Maybe you're a shift worker, maybe you live or you

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 4>have to move through areas that feel like deeply unsafe

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 4>to you. Maybe you get public transport in the nighttime,

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.719
<v Speaker 4>whatever that is. I can understand the safety element for it,

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 4>but I don't feel as though in our relationship that

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 4>that safety element applies. I don't think we're ever in

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 4>a situation where I would go, God, I need to

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 4>know where matters right now to make sure that he's safe,

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 4>or vice versa. So therefore I kind of question, well,

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 4>what is the purpose of having it? But I do

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 4>think it's really important for parents having it for their kids,

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 4>and I think that there is some level it doesn't

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 4>encroach in their privacy. It is genuinely something that some

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 4>people are entitled to know, and I think with a

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 4>parent dynamic that exists.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. As a teenager, I am really glad that this

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't exist totally. I did some naughty things and I

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>was definitely places that I lied about to my mum.

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>And if you're listen to this, sorry mom, but it's

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>true and I worked out fine.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, Mum, you still don't know about it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I think from a kid perspective, and I know

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<v Speaker 4>that this has kind of taken off tangent a little bit,

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 4>but I will do this with our girls when they're older. Like,

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 4>if you want a phone and I'm paying for your phone,

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<v Speaker 4>then you can turn your location services on. And I

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 4>don't think that that's it is a bit of an

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<v Speaker 4>ultimatum when it comes to kind of like phone use.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, if you want the independence

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to do those things, and you want

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 4>me to pay for you for that independence, then you.

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Can turn your location services on.

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about this in my own life, and I

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>have a couple of friends who most of them are single,

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>so they have it on with a couple of their

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 2>close friends. And I think that that is mostly from

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 2>a safety perspective, because they're going on dates with new

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>people quite frequently.

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Don't know why, because I can see the logical nature

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of this, and I so trust my boyfriend that I

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know why.

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I still feel as though if I was asked.

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>To share my location with someone, I just feel uncomfortable

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>about it, and I have. I still cannot think of

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the logical reason as to why that's the case, because

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't do dodgy things. Yeah, I don't go places

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that I'm not supposed to be, But there's just a

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>part of me that is like, maybe it could be

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>used against you, even though like no one in my

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 2>life has given me a reason to feel that way.

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's this is actually a reflection of me,

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>not of them.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 4>No, but I think it's also a reflection of the

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<v Speaker 4>world and being very aware that there are relationships that

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 4>can turn toxic really quickly. I would say, if you're

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 4>in a new relationship and the person that you're dating

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 4>asks you to share your location services with them and

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 4>vice versa, I wouldn't say, don't do it, but I

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 4>would also say, like, look out for any other red flags,

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 4>because I sometimes think that these things we can look

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 4>at that as flattery. We can go, oh, they really

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 4>want to know where I am, and they you know,

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 4>they care so much about me, and they're so invested

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 4>in this relationship, and it's like opening up a joint

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 4>bank account together. That can feel like a real relationship milestone,

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 4>which it can be, and it can be an incredibly healthy,

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 4>beautiful relationship milestone. It also can be the indication of

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 4>a relationship moving faster than what it should because the

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 4>relationship in essence will turn toxic or that person wants

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 4>to have a level of control over someone. But coming

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 4>back to the conversation around like Taylor Swift singing literally

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 4>singing a song about the fact that she still has

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 4>access to where her ex boyfriend's location is, she probably

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 4>doesn't now he's probably I'm really sure he's turned it

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 4>off now, I guess part of me and I know

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 4>it sits in the grave because normally I would be

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 4>the first person to say this is deeply problematic and

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 4>we shouldn't be platforming this. And I think I can

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 4>acknowledge my bias because I like her so much and

0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 4>I know that she is a person, or shouldn't say

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 4>I know, I don't know her at all, but I

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 4>assume she as a person is not problematic. And therefore

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 4>this is a reflection of being someone who's really heartbroken,

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 4>not ready to sever every part of the breakup, and

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 4>so they're still holding onto hope that maybe they'll get

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 4>back together. And some of these actions feel really fine

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 4>or you know, especially knowing that it sends a notification

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 4>to that person, like it's.

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 2>The digital I'm going to come over and collect my things, Yeah,

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 2>so that I never have to see you again.

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 3>It feels so final.

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 4>But I think there is something quite kind in the

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 4>vulnerability around it. And I say that because I think,

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 4>as most women or most people going through breakups, we

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 4>don't all behave perfectly. We all do things that maybe

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>er on a side where if we were to see

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.919
<v Speaker 4>our friends do it, we would go, hey, you might

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 4>need to rethink that behavior.

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Also, when we like zoom out and you look at

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>it from a historical point, like I look at some

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>of the behavior I did in breakups two years ago,

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's fucked.

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:56.399
<v Speaker 4>That's what I mean. And I'm not saying that you're

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 4>a danger. I'm not saying that you're deeply problematic. But

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 4>I am saying that wakeups cause us to do things

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 4>that we are not proud of. And I do appreciate

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 4>the visibility over her behavior because I think it makes

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 4>people feel less stupid, I guess. But also I do

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 4>think that maybe there is a bigger conversation around normalizing it,

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 4>and does that then make people go, oh, it's Okay,

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Taylor Swift did it.

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know where the line is.

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Ah, if this song was a bit like I tracked

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>you so that I could follow you and I can

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>know exactly what you're up to.

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 3>If there was.

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 2>A conclusion to what she did with the information, then

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>it's problematic.

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 3>But really she just sat there and was sad. She

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 3>just cried.

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>She was just sad because it's like indicative of the

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>fact that he was moving on. And I think that

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>that is something that we've all personally felt, and like

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I look back on some of the things that I

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>would witness of my ex's moving on, and it fucking

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.839
<v Speaker 2>breaks you. Like this would just feel as though this

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.240
<v Speaker 2>person is going out and doing things in their life,

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 2>and maybe you're not. Maybe you're still at home devastated

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 2>by something. You're really shattered, and you can feel as

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>though you're the one who's like left behind in the

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>moving on process.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing that can be seen in isolation as very bad,

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 4>which it is when you look at it within a

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 4>greater context of the discussion, you're like, yeah, okay, look

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:16.239
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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to go first. I cut my fingernails and

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 4>toenails the other day, and I put all the clippings

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 4>into a plastic bag with the intention of throwing that

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:40.399
<v Speaker 4>plastic bag away.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem me here is the word intention, out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the intention of getting rid of them. Fast forward

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 4>to the weekend and I went to the shops to

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 4>exchange a shirt I got as a gift that was

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 4>a size too small. I gave the bag to the

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.320
<v Speaker 4>lady at the desk with the shirt inside. She turned

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 4>the bag upside down and tipped it out, and out

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 4>fell the shirt along with all of my fingernail and

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 4>toenail clippings. I totally didn't register that the bag I

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 4>used to take my shirt back was also the same

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 4>when I had used a few days earlier to collect

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 4>all of my clippings.

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 3>I am mortified. What would you do?

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 4>Also if you were that woman, if you were that

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 4>woman who had had the shirt return, you would be like,

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 4>this is you.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something so particularly gross about nables and I

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 2>don't know why.

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 4>It's just keraten. It's fine when it's on your body,

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 4>but weird when it's on the floor. It's fine when

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 4>it's yours, all of them, it's not fine when it's

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 4>a strangers.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, if you were at the gym and

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 2>you're on the map, you know, the like flooring at

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>the gym, and everything's fine, and you're doing a burpie

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're real brow of yourself, and then you like

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 2>look to the side and there's someone else's nail there.

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 3>It makes you do a different kind of burpy. It's

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 3>enough for me to leave. There's just something so great.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I feel so sorry for this woman who had to

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 2>like and also there were multiple it's not like just

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>why she's done her full fingernails and for the twenty

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 2>there's twenty of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd not be like funding you.

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I could refund you. Do you have

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 4>to pay a tax for that? I mean this as

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 4>someone who works in retail. If I pulled out a

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 4>wedding ring and it was covered in toenails. I'd say,

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.399
<v Speaker 4>this is used. You're not returning this in the order

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 4>in which I gave it to you in No, I

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 4>don't know.

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Did you get a refund? I need to know. Did

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 3>she just brush the toa clippings off the counter? What

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 3>did she do?

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Did you all pretend like it didn't happen? Did you

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.879
<v Speaker 4>just like stand there and ignore the pace?

0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 2>She pretended like that didn't happen. She's a better woman

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 2>than I am.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry. My mom must have clipped her nails

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 4>into a bag. This is humiliating. I hate my husband, disgusting.

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 4>My husband's a pig, what an absolutely filthy pig. I'm

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 4>gonna go home and get divorced right now.

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I have an accidentally unfiltered today that has actually come

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 2>in from my friend. Sophie works at the radio here

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 2>and she's a Kiwi. She said, when I was back

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 2>in New Zealand, I went and had a normal doctor's appointment.

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>It was like a general check up and you know,

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>all the female stuff. As we finished, I was sitting

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 2>across from her. You know when you like, you know,

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 2>when you finish and you're still sitting on the bed

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and they're punching all the data into the computer.

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 4>And you just don't put your pants on and go

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 4>and sit on the seat. You don't just sit on

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 4>the bed. I put my pants on and just sat

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 4>back up on the bed table. Okay, No, Nah, it's

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 4>too intimate. I need to go back and say I

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:21.319
<v Speaker 4>put my pants on, I go and sit on the

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 4>seat where I came in and sat down.

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, so she's sitting on this bed as the

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 2>doctor's in putting the information, and she saw this bottle

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>of clear liquid beside the bed. So she's like, oh good,

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll give my hands a clean with the hand sanitizer,

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and she squirts it all over her hands, covers her

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 2>hands and she's rubbing them together, and she's like, this

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.760
<v Speaker 2>is a weird consistency.

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 4>Like because obviously hand sanitizer as soon as you start

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 4>using it starts evaporating. Yeah, Like it starts drying out

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 4>real quick, thin too, yeah, like alcoholy.

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 3>So, in her.

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Confusion, the doctor turned around and looked at her and

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:55.839
<v Speaker 2>was like, ah, Sophie, that's loob.

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 3>She said, Now my hair is sticky, completely covered in loop.

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.439
<v Speaker 3>As they sit there with my legs just hanging off

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 3>of the vest.

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 4>There's something really grounding about the fact that your feet

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 4>don't touch the floor either, Thank her fucking child, A

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.520
<v Speaker 4>la la swinging them. It's fine, you're fine, You're okay.

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 4>You can do weird things in front of doctors. They

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 4>don't care. That is true, Like if you were ever

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 4>gonna be in safe company to do weird stuff, it's

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:22.320
<v Speaker 4>in front of a doctor.

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 3>She just how stupid.

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Also, because there's an element of leg you were instructed

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to do that, Yeah, you didn't.

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 3>You kind of took the liberty of I'm just gonna

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.839
<v Speaker 3>help myself to this to the loop. You're like, I'll

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>use that for later.

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, you walk out without you walk out with your

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 4>literature book and you'll lived up hands and you're like, sorry,

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm ready actually use this. She's just like, I'm ready,

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 4>I'll take this home right now.

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that this would probably be her suck

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>for the week. But do we want to get into

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>second suite the highlight and low light of our weeks?

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 3>What was your suck? What was my suck?

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 4>I know I knew this has come and now I

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 4>can't even remember. Oh, I had a mighty mighty fight

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 4>with Matt. That can be my suck.

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 3>I had a real doozy of a fight.

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 4>You know when you have those fights where afterwards it

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 4>takes you a couple of hours, but you're like, I

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 4>hate my husband.

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:14.760
<v Speaker 3>That's the feeling in my body.

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 4>I hope that this is relatable, because like, I get

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.399
<v Speaker 4>such fury after a bad fight, where like we don't

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 4>see eye to eye.

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 3>The fury in me is so unreasonable, And then I'm

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 3>not true. I know it's no, it is true. I

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 3>know it subsides.

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 4>I know that this is why we always say the

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 4>way you feel is not real, not instantly anyway, your

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 4>reaction to something is not your real reaction.

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 3>What's your fight style too? Ah?

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 4>Well, actually I just went quiet this time. I just

0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 4>couldn't be bothered. I think we tried to work it out.

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 4>We were not seeing eye to eye. We're not yellers,

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 4>like we don't yell. We just kind of throw a

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 4>few barbs. We were trying to talk through it, but

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 4>neither of us were seeing each other's point of view.

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 4>And it was actually quite late. Whereas I know, I

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 4>said a few weeks ago that we never go to

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 4>bed angry. But I was just like, we're not going

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 4>to resolve this tonight, and I feel so angry. So

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna lay here and stare at the sea, and

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 4>every ten minutes I'm going to just say one thing

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 4>to you.

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 3>So you can't fucking sleep either. That was my fight.

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 4>Style both, so so we would we would almost get

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 4>back to sleep, and I'd be like, it's interesting that

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 4>you think that, though, Matt, because.

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 3>You know how you said this whenever it does it

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting. It's actually it's actually not interesting.

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 4>So we could have just had a fight and made

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 4>up and we would have both been to bed at

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 4>a normal time. But because I, over the space of

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 4>another hour, brought up six new points, but I made

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 4>sure they left a good amount of space in between,

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.959
<v Speaker 4>just to be real fucking annoying, because I can't sleep

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 4>if I'm angry.

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 3>There's no way I'm I cannot sleep angry.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 4>And I always said this recently, but anyway, I had

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 4>a lot of fury in my body, and I was like,

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 4>I guess this is the time where we get divorced.

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 4>And then the next day we talked about it. We're fine,

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 4>we love each other more than ever. Sometimes you just

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 4>need to get a bit of a sometimes you need

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 4>to get it out, and then you have great makeup

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.800
<v Speaker 4>sex and everything's wonderful again. In both mine and Matt's defense,

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 4>in terms of how we fight, we don't often say

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.879
<v Speaker 4>mean Like it's very rare for us to say mean thing.

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:01.279
<v Speaker 3>We're not mean to each other.

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 4>So like, even though we're both really angry and I

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 4>know he also is contemplating divorce, we would never ever, ever,

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 4>ever say those awful things, you know, because we know

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 4>we love each other so much and we know it's

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 4>not real. You just like you have these visceral reactions

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 4>where you're so mad and then you're like, I just

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:17.800
<v Speaker 4>need to calm down because I actually love this person

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 4>more than anything, So this is not real right now.

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 3>They have just very much pissed me off.

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I respect that because there's a lot of control in that,

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 2>because sometimes it's easiest to shoot from the hip.

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, we don't.

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.680
<v Speaker 4>We really really don't, which is good. So anyway, so

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 4>how long did it take you to recover? Oh, the

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 4>next afternoon because he left really early in the morning,

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.439
<v Speaker 4>so he was out of the house at like five thirty,

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 4>so we didn't He came and gave me a hug

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 4>and a kiss goodbye, and it was like, nice, he

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 4>woke me up. Ah got one back there, didn't he.

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:45.800
<v Speaker 4>He gave me a hug and kiss goodbye in the

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 4>morning and he went to the airport. But then we

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't speak all day. So then when I came home

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 4>that afternoon, we spoke about it straight away and we

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:52.399
<v Speaker 4>made up straight away.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 3>Stupid. Well, I think this is like, this is real,

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 3>This is what actual relationships are like. Anyway, we had

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 3>a not always ruining bow when Sunshine.

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 4>We had it was about the thing that we often

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 4>fight about now is about me working too much. So

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 4>that was the it's the running commentary of the fight anyway,

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 4>setters them at work. So that was a fight anyway,

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.320
<v Speaker 4>that was my start. It was shitty, but obviously, like sometimes,

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 4>and I do mean this, having a fight to then

0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 4>make up, I think it's a really healthy step in

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 4>the right direction. And like sometimes you get to then

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 4>say all the things that you've been holding on too

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.399
<v Speaker 4>that you needed to say and get out and then

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 4>you kind of feel like you're starting again from a

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 4>from a you know, a clean slate, which fights can

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 4>be really productive in getting to a place of great

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.399
<v Speaker 4>resolution and relationships. So that was probably being like, now

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 4>that we're fucking awesome off the back of it feels

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 4>like a sweet as well.

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 3>So that's my suck at my.

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Sweet having a fight and then having the makeup. Yeah,

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 4>that's my sweet. Is Matt and I are like really

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 4>great now because we needed to We needed to have

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:47.439
<v Speaker 4>that fight.

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 3>It would have been brewing for too long. Bide then,

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:50.879
<v Speaker 3>thank you, thank you so much.

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure he will listen to this and be like,

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 4>why the fuck a you're telling people this shit.

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.359
<v Speaker 3>Well, listen to his podcast and get his take.

0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 4>His take is like I also wanted to divorce my wife.

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:02.359
<v Speaker 4>What is your suck?

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 2>My suck is that I was really humbled by our

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 2>own people through the week. So I posted something in

0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 2>the Facebook group, the lifel on Cut Discussion group, and

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I kind of regret it now because I think I'm

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>uncultured swine. So I posted something about really not enjoying

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>this show that's number one on Netflix at the moment.

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I disagree. I strongly disagree with your take on this

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 3>as well. Cash.

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.879
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's called Baby Reindeer. If you haven't seen it,

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>it's I think it's like eight or nine episodes something

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 2>like that, and the episodes are pretty long, they're like

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:35.320
<v Speaker 2>over forty five minutes. And I got four episodes into

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>this and I kind of just had this realization that

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.439
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm really not enjoying this. I'm really

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable and feeling all of these feelings inside of me

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 2>and they're not good ones, And so why am I

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 2>still watching this? Like I'm really I'm not having a

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 2>good time. I just want to get out.

0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.320
<v Speaker 4>But sometimes you don't have to watch TV for a

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 4>good time. Sometimes you watch it to feel even a

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 4>negative emotion. At least it makes you feel something.

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 3>So this is where I.

0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Think the I actually have learnt from this experience, because

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I probably jumped the gun by saying how much I

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 2>disliked this TV show. I did know what was based

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 2>off of a true story, but I didn't know it

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>was based off of the main actor's true story. So

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people were like, it was really confronting,

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was so brave of him to put this

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>out into the world because it shows some really dark

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 2>sides of trauma.

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Also shows some really dark sides of him as well,

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 4>like things that he probably wouldn't feel. He feels ashamed

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 4>of whether that's like, you know, whether he should or shouldn't,

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 4>but I think that that it doesn't show him in

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 4>the best light at times either.

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have respect for that, but I think

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.919
<v Speaker 2>I've realized that I'm just really adverse to this type

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.839
<v Speaker 2>of content. I guess, you know, for me, this might

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>be a little bit, it might make me seem a

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 2>bit like a child, but up until last November, I'm

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.720
<v Speaker 2>actually medicated for this now because I have really really

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 2>graphic and very real nightmares and they're incredibly intrusive, and

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>so I steered away from any type of content that's

0:47:58.520 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 2>particularly distressing.

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't watch true crime.

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I especially don't watch anything like horror or scary or

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 2>like anything that's particularly traumatic for me.

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, that's probably not best.

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>For me, because it might give my brain some ideas

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 2>that I don't want it to have. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>really feel a bit I really object to this type

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<v Speaker 2>of content for myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that other people really like it, but some

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<v Speaker 3>of the the.

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<v Speaker 2>Comments in this thread were like, essentially, you might just

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<v Speaker 2>be a bit too basic and maybe only Robin comments

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<v Speaker 2>if you, and for that I think is fair it's fair,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a suck.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm an unconcious one.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I agree, because I think it is brilliantly done.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't think that anyone's watching it and they're

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<v Speaker 4>enjoying their time watching it, But I think it's really

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<v Speaker 4>it's really well documented, it's really well filmed, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be my recommendation for the week. So

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<v Speaker 4>if you haven't seen Baby Reindeer, this is my recommendation,

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<v Speaker 4>go and see it, unless you're someone who has intrusive thoughts,

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<v Speaker 4>unless you just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like dark shit for eight hours across your screen. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really looking forward to bridgeton the new season.

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<v Speaker 3>Come okay, this is just stuck. I'm sweet. This is

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<v Speaker 3>not your recommendations for the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my sweet for the week is that over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>my boyfriend and I celebrated our one year anniversary.

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<v Speaker 3>So cute.

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<v Speaker 4>I also feel like things went so quickly for you,

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<v Speaker 4>Like one year you guys lived together, you finally said

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<v Speaker 4>I love you, which took a while, but you got there.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't quick. That one took nine months.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you do you now say it on the reg Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so now it's a normal thing. One hundred percent. Not

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<v Speaker 2>a day goes by.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>If a day went by, I'd feel like that was strange.

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<v Speaker 2>You like, turn your location services on? Where the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>are you anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>Guys?

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<v Speaker 3>That is it from us.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, if you haven't subscribed to the YouTube channel yet,

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<v Speaker 4>all of these episodes are going up on YouTube now,

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<v Speaker 4>so if you want to watch us in the flesh

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<v Speaker 4>not just listen to us in your ears. We are

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<v Speaker 4>so up to date now, so they're kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>YouTube version of the podcast are dropping within like twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four hours of the actual episode, so we are all

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<v Speaker 4>up to date, and they are amazing. I so love

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a very different dimension watching it on

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<v Speaker 4>YouTube verse, listening to it on Apple Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I also was not the type of person who

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<v Speaker 2>ever watched YouTube podcasts before had our channel, And so

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<v Speaker 2>I've started watching a couple more now because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get ideas is how we can do it better

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of thing. And I've been watching Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Manson's podcast on YouTube and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually do really enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I get why people are into this.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels more personal, it feels like you're just hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with.

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<v Speaker 3>People and you're in a room having a chap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, anyways, we'll put all the links in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 4>You can go and have a watch, have a listen. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>if you enjoyed the episode, share.

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<v Speaker 3>It with your friends and you know the drill.

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