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Speaker 1: Well, joining us on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: CEO of Hospitality here in the Northern Territory, Alex Bruce.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Alex.

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Speaker 2: Good a katie mate.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, I do want to just ask you, I know,

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Speaker 1: when you and I spoke last week about the rollout

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Speaker 1: of these vaccine passports and how they're going to work

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Speaker 1: in some of our different businesses, have you had much

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Speaker 1: more feedback over the last week or so as some

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Speaker 1: of us have gotten a bit more, a bit more

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Speaker 1: of an understanding of the different rules that are going

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Speaker 1: to come into play.

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Speaker 2: The FOO app is actually the Canberra check in app,

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Speaker 2: and I've been rolled out subsequently up here, over in

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Speaker 2: Queensland and down in Tazzy. So I've been talking to

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Speaker 2: our counterparts in the Act. The tech bottoms are working

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Speaker 2: on it. It's not going to be as clear cut

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Speaker 2: or as simple as our understanding as what's happening in

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Speaker 2: New South Wales or South Australia. The difference being that's

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Speaker 2: in their sa govapp or their New South Wales app,

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Speaker 2: which already has in it to identify you than khim

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Speaker 2: to your driver's license, you know, your fishing license? God forbid,

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Speaker 2: they have those down their boat licenses, all the rest

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Speaker 2: of it, so the data sharing with ultimately Medicare is

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Speaker 2: more secure to automatically poured into those two states for

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Speaker 2: all intensive purposes. Our territory checking app is a dumb app,

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Speaker 2: use a friendly though. We like it. It's not too cumbersome,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, there are some privacy and legal issues we

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Speaker 2: understand that are going on behind the scenes, predominantly between

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Speaker 2: the federal government and the act government on how to

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Speaker 2: get that data sharing, you know, from your highly sensitive

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Speaker 2: personalized medical records into an app that you can right

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Speaker 2: now punch your name in as Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck.

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Speaker 1: And that's a I think that's a really valid point

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Speaker 1: because for a lot of us, we're not wanting to

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Speaker 1: share all of our information. Happy enough to share if

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Speaker 1: we've been vaccinated, but you don't want everything else out

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Speaker 1: there and you know wherever it's going to go.

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Speaker 2: Look not to be too negative about it, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of people do do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: We do see in the MANU entry logs though from

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Speaker 2: time to time people right safe details. So that's probably

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Speaker 2: happening right now on the checking apps. So you know

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Speaker 2: there are ways to get around it. But we just

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Speaker 2: ask everyone that you know, if the government ever mandated

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Speaker 2: that in in a lockout environment and they were the rules,

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Speaker 2: please work with us as we work as best we

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Speaker 2: can through them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Alex, have you had much pushback, you know

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Speaker 1: from anyone in the industry or any businesses in the

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Speaker 1: industry at this point in time that are going, well,

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Speaker 1: hang on a sect. Shouldn't I be allowed to let

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Speaker 1: anybody into my establishment if I choose.

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Speaker 2: A Look, there's definitely conversations underway, and it's probably fair

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Speaker 2: that those are happening right across the community and different

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Speaker 2: industry groups. You saw the constructions that sector in Melbourne

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Speaker 2: seem to divide on the issue yesterday. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: those signs on display throughout the whole hospitality network in

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Speaker 2: our membership, but I do appreciate that this is something

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Speaker 2: that every family and every individual's considering and chewing on

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Speaker 2: right now. And the other unfortunate thing, Katie is it's

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Speaker 2: official now we're coming dead last in our vaccination rates

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Speaker 2: both first job and second job for over seventy year olds.

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Speaker 2: So we are going to hit a tipping point, we

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Speaker 2: don't know when where when you've had every opportunity to

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Speaker 2: be vaccinated and you're refusing to do so, you are

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Speaker 2: not allowed to hold us back any longer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the question that I've sort of been

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Speaker 1: as they ever were and allowed to travel, etc. And

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Speaker 1: and then how do we sort of continue to operate

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Speaker 2: That's it. And you know, eighteen months ago this was

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Speaker 2: about keeping Granny safe and we got early access to vaccines.

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Speaker 2: We've got early access to fiver in the territory. We

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Speaker 2: got fire distributed to aged people higher brackets earlier than

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Speaker 2: all the other states. How has it come to a

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Speaker 2: situation when we're coming dead last. It is a race

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Speaker 2: and that's that needs to be six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that now that it's opened up, that

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Speaker 1: You know, they maybe become a little bit more open

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Speaker 1: Bose Alex mate talk through how we are going at

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Speaker 1: the moment in the Northern Territory. When you talk about

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Speaker 1: are those lockdown in other states?

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Speaker 2: Having Look they're the canting, they're sitting at about half

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Speaker 2: did look like Darwin and the town had its mojo back.

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Speaker 2: It didn't materialize, unfortunately, as those seemingly endless lockdowns down

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Speaker 2: to wet. The territory government has announced, you know, the

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Speaker 2: pending tourism of vouches though you know, two hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: Ideally we want to see the borders normalize even further,

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Speaker 2: but we're guided by the government's plans that are being

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you reckon about? You know, how

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Speaker 1: are you feeling at the moment about some of those

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Speaker 2: Oh look, the language last week that we would hit

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Speaker 2: already wound back a little bit. Unfortunately. The government's website

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Speaker 2: Indigenous and non Indigenous Territorians over the age of seventy

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Speaker 2: they did get earlier access to fier than anywhere else

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Speaker 1: Now, are you worried, Alex, You know, if we do

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Speaker 1: get to sort of November December and we're still in

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Speaker 1: the situation that.

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Speaker 2: We're in right now, I think the plan announced last

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Speaker 2: certainty on where the government was thinking and we very

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Speaker 2: very very much need to see that put in place

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Speaker 2: before Christmas, and already we want to start conversations with

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Speaker 2: the government about the next one or two stages beyond that,

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Speaker 2: because if you look at that red zone policy, that

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Speaker 2: could see all of Victoria, all of New South Wales,

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Speaker 2: all of Queensland as they learned to live with COVID

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Speaker 2: with high vax rates, red spots denied in to the

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Speaker 2: territory and that would just be devastating for our peak

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Speaker 2: dry season next year if we can't get beyond that stage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that. Well, even yesterday some people had

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Speaker 1: sort of been questioning why we're still spending five billion dollars,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the summer sale when it comes to tourism,

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Speaker 1: when we are still locked out from other states. But

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Speaker 1: I would suggest stor I would think that we know

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Speaker 1: that we still want to try and get people here

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Speaker 1: from the states that are open to us at this

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Speaker 1: point in time and try to support not only our

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Speaker 1: tourism sector, but hospitality, retail. It flows on to so

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Speaker 1: many different sectors. When we do have tourists here in

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Speaker 1: the territory, that's it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, some of our large employers are starting

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Speaker 2: to ramp down their rostering. So if we can, through

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Speaker 2: local consumption and those COVID safe Green zones, prop that

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Speaker 2: demand up a little bit more over the wet season,

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Speaker 2: you'll have more territoriums floating around enjoying things, the kids

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Speaker 2: in schools, all the rest of it, the GST, the

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Speaker 2: ten thousand odd per me and woman and up here.

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Speaker 2: But you'll also will be in a better situation to

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Speaker 2: ramp up next year, hopefully for a good dry season,

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Speaker 2: because we know those workforce shortages across industry sectors aren't

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Speaker 2: going away.

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Speaker 1: Well. Alex Bruce, the Hospitality NT CEO, good to talk

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Speaker 1: with you this morning. I appreciate your time. K Katie,

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Speaker 1: thank you