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Speaker 1: But joining me on the line right now is the

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Plenty to cover off on this morning.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, we know that police are investigating after a group

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock last night. A group of seven had to

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Speaker 1: an item at the shop attendant's head. Now police have

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Speaker 1: confirmed with us this morning that it is the same

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Speaker 1: this is a frightening situation for those working at the servo.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction when you hear that kids as young

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's absolutely appalling, Katie, absolutely unacceptable and it just

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: We've got Kate Warden a new Minister for Police, but

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Speaker 3: she also holds the territory family's portfolio, which is where

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Speaker 2: Why do you reckon it's going to make it worse.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to make it worse because you

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Speaker 4: It's they're not aligned. They're not aligned.

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Speaker 3: We've got police having to catch these kids every single

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Speaker 3: So it's an unsustainable situation. But again goes back to

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Speaker 3: the fact that our laws aren't aren't working well. Territory

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Speaker 1: Look taking that into account that you know, as you've

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Speaker 3: Well, that's already happening now. Territory family. You know, police

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Speaker 3: Look at people being bailed for aggravated robbery, it's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't meet any standard of community expectations.

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Speaker 4: So, and this is right across the territory.

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Speaker 3: When we saw that incident being reported out of Kintoling,

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Speaker 3: I mean, when is this going to end? Those kids

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Speaker 1: So the claim is that Jamie Chalker have made comments

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Speaker 3: Look, of course these are allegations and we've had fire

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Speaker 1: I believe I am due to catch up with the

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Speaker 1: Now moving along, Lea, we do know that the prevalence

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Speaker 3: very different place to the Kimberley, to the Territory, to

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Speaker 3: North Queensland, and it's no matter how enthusiastic or hard

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Speaker 3: working this minister might be, they're just not going to

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Speaker 3: get it. They're just not going to be as passionate

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Speaker 3: it's a huge loss for territorians already just a few

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Speaker 2: Now a Leah before I Let you Go.

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Speaker 1: A report by Jano Gibson on the ABC Online, it's

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Speaker 1: been reported that the Northern Territory is Official Slow could

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Speaker 1: be changed to we are the Territory after taxpayer funded

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Speaker 1: research found that the current Boundless Possible tagline has left

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Speaker 1: locals uninspired, confused, and in some cases furious. But despite

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Speaker 1: spending more than one hundred and thirty thousand dollars on

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Speaker 1: the rebranding efforts, the government has kept a recommended new

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Speaker 1: catchphrase secret for more than a year apparently, so the

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Speaker 1: ABC is reporting that this marketing takeover only emerged after

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Speaker 1: they had obtained internal government documents detailing the results of

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Speaker 1: brand testing with focus groups and influencers last year. So

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Speaker 1: the Boundless Possible slogan, as we know it was, well,

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Speaker 1: it was the subject of some real ridicule since it

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Speaker 1: was first unveiled back in twenty eighteen as part of

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Speaker 1: that broader one point five million dollar brand narrative.

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Speaker 2: Lea, what are your thoughts in this space?

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that concerns me was not so much,

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Speaker 1: you know, the actual tagline, but there was meant to

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Speaker 1: of work done in conjunction with this to lure people

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's been a flop right from the start. Of course,

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Speaker 3: the government has spent millions of dollars. It's actually employed

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Speaker 3: Boundless Possible. We paid inter state consultants tens of thousands

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Speaker 3: design that looked like it was copied off the Dubai slogan.

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Speaker 3: No one understood what boundless possible even meant. Of course,

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Speaker 3: then we found out there were no KPIs. We urenersed

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Speaker 3: through questioning that there were no KPIs around what this,

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Speaker 3: all of this expenditure was going to do for the territory.

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Speaker 3: We had the failed scheme where we were paying people

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Speaker 3: to move to the territory, which clearly wasn't working. We

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Speaker 3: had forty thousand dollars rockets with boundless Possible being shot

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Speaker 3: bunting and fence wrap of boundless possible we'd see around

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Speaker 3: And I cannot believe the government and are wasting more

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Speaker 4: We are the territory. Well, I mean, goodness is gracious?

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Speaker 3: We know that right, It's what.

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Speaker 4: On earth are we doing?

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Speaker 3: I wish these people would spend more time focusing on

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Speaker 3: growing our economy and reducing crime than worrying about whether

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Speaker 3: we should put at the bottom of.

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Speaker 4: Our emails that we are the territory in goodness. If

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Speaker 4: we don't know that. What do we know, Katie, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: We certainly know where we are, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: We can put it on the slogan on the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the email of the new North Australian Minister.

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Speaker 4: We are the territory.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we can convince her.

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Speaker 4: Be a good reminder of.

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Speaker 2: Where we are. I beg. We could send a man map.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Leah fochi ao, we better leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you as always. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 4: Cost one hundred and thirty grand. We just come up

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Speaker 4: with that, just thank Katie.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Lea