1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Some years don't unfold the way you expect, and when 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: you finally pause long enough to look back, you realize 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: the things that shaped you weren't always those big milestones. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: They were the tiny moments of energy gained, energy last, 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: and the choices that you made when no one was watching. Today, 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with my very good friend and ABC 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: broadcaster Lisa ly On to unpack our methods for reflecting 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: on the year that was twenty twenty five. If you've 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: ever wanted a clearer, kinder, more structured way to understand 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: your year in terms of what worked, what didn't, and 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: what actually mattered, this conversation will give you tools that 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: you can use right away. Welcome to How I Work, 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: a show about How It's rituals and strategies for optimizing 14 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: your date. I'm your host, doctor Amantha imber. 15 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: So, Lisa, you're back. I think it's fair to say. 16 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: That you and I are self development junkies, and we 17 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: love a bit of structure and reflection and all that 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: sort of good stuff. 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: Yes, let me just stop and reflect on what you 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: just said and my behavior throughout that. How's I listening? Yes? 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: I agree. 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: What we plan to do is we're going to do 23 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: a two parter, and today we're going to be looking 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: at how are we both reflecting on the year that 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: has been twenty twenty five, because I know we've both 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: got different ways of approaching it. And then in part 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: two of this episode, we're going to look at how 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: can you set yourself up for a really great twenty 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: twenty six? So let's get into this. I think we 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: both use the term retro like, let's do a retrospective 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: on twenty twenty five? Yes, So tell me, Lisa, how 32 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: are you approaching this? 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: So I have different ones that I use for different years, 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: and I can talk about the ones that I discarded 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: and why I discarded them for this year later, but 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: first the one that I chose for this year. So 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: I've actually been using it quite regularly to just check 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: in with how I've been going on projects, in particular 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: my radio shows. So it's called the retrospective. It comes 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: from Agile, and it's very well known as a quadrant 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: kind of way of looking at things. So I'll describe it. 42 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: So it's what went well, what did we learn? What 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 3: would we do differently? And then in the fourth quadrant, 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: I use something a bit different what still puzzles us. 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: And so the way you usually use it is you 46 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 3: might experiment with something and do a sprint, so that's 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: a very short way of testing something, and then you 48 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: check in and you do a retrospective on how this 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: sprint went. And the reason why it's so powerful amanther 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: is that when you do it as a team, instead 51 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: of somebody having to give you direct feedback on how 52 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: you went or things you would change, because you're actually 53 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: focusing on the project itself and just asking these brilliant questions. 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: It comes out but all sort of bubbles up. Does 55 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: that makes sense? And even when I do it on myself, 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: I find that it keeps me off the hook a 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: little bit. 58 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: So this is something that you do at work in teams, 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: and also you basically take that same process and use 60 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: it for yourself when you're doing solo reflection on the year. 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the reason why it's useful for doing things 62 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: through the year is because at the start of the 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: year might be trying something different and you want to 64 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: just know how it goes. So I actually launched a 65 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: radio broadcast version of my show at the beginning of 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: the year, right, And so I really wanted to make 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: sure that we were testing and learning, and so after 68 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: every show we did a retrospective, me and my producer. 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: So every week, every week, right after the episode, we 70 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: would literally do a retrospective. And it was really great 71 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: because then we could tweak things. And so I've just 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: found it so useful. I thought, you know what, I'm 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: going to use this for the whole year. So instead 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: of just asking what went well for a particular episode, 75 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: I actually asked myself, well, taking a step back, now, 76 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 3: what went well? What did I learn? What would I 77 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: do differently? And what still puzzles me? 78 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: So when you're taking that process and thinking it to 79 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: reflect on twenty twenty. 80 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: Five, how are you going to do that? 81 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: Like? 82 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: Where are you going to be? Are you going to 83 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: be on your own? 84 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: You know? 85 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: Will you be with your daughter Billy? 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: Like? 87 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: What paint a picture of what that's going to look like. 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: So my first pass was I was sitting in a 89 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: hotel room because I was traveling, and I thought, do 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: you know what, this is the perfect time to reflect 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: because I did need a bit of quiet time. I 92 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: still think with these reflection pieces that you should actually 93 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: just go with what comes to you naturally. Because I 94 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: think it's when we overthink things that we get away 95 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: from a true reflection. So I actually just, you know, 96 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: wrote down all the things that really occurred to me first, 97 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: and then I pay attention to, Oh, that's really interesting 98 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: that I didn't put that in what went well, because 99 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 3: I think you pay attention to that as well, because 100 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: maybe it's lesser of importance than you think in doing 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: these retrospectives. And the reason why you would do it 102 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 3: individually first, or do it with post it notes if 103 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: you're doing it with another person is to avoid group think, 104 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: because it's incredible how even the vibes of someone looking 105 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: at you as you're suggesting something can actually put you off. 106 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: And so even if you ended up doing it with 107 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: your partner or your best friend, I still think doing 108 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: it yourself first and then doing it quickly going with 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: your first feelings is interesting and instructive. What do you think. 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: I've got couple of processes that I am using, So 111 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: let me talk about where they're both inspired by. So 112 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: one of the processes that I have adapted, I guess 113 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: for myself and my husband, we're going to do this together. 114 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: I don't think i've told him that no I think 115 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: I have surprise he's into this. 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you're familiar with the work 117 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: of Bill Burnett and. 118 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: Dave Evans, Yes, design your Life. 119 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. 120 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: So Designing Your Life is very very well known books. 121 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: The Stanford professors, they teach design thinking, and then they 122 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: decided to apply design thinking principles, which are traditionally applied 123 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: to innovation in workplaces, to our lives. And they've got 124 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: a new book coming out called How to Live a 125 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,559 Speaker 1: Meaningful Life. I'm actually trying to get them on the show, 126 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: but I love their approach, I love their thinking. And 127 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: so what I did actually is I worked with AI 128 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: and I prompted them to take some of their concepts 129 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: but also to you know, weave in some of the 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: things that I felt were important. 131 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a hybrid process. 132 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: So I was like a partner, like a coach. 133 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: So prompted AI to take on the persona of those 134 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: professors and their work and prompted it to just you know, 135 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: capture their work. And then I had a few things 136 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: that I wanted to put in that process, and so 137 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: together I worked with AI to come up with something. 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: And then another process that I reckon I'm going to 139 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: steal from because I haven't done this for reflection process yet. 140 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: It's called the Year Compass, and if you Google your compass, 141 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I will put a link to this in the show notes. 142 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: But it's been around for many years and haven't you Okay, 143 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: So there's a pdf booklet that you can download. It's free, 144 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: and it has all these really great prompting questions to 145 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: do a retro on the year that has been and 146 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: also future project think about into the year that will be, 147 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: which of course we'll go into in part two. 148 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: So let me talk. 149 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: About some of the things that I've got from that 150 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: AI kind of meshed approach. So energy has been a 151 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: very big focus of twenty twenty five for me because 152 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I've been working on my fifth book, The Energy Game, 153 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: and that is coming out to mid twenty twenty six. 154 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: So one of the things that myself and my husband 155 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: will be doing is an energy audit where we are 156 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: going to reflect on a few things. So we're going 157 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: to reflect on what were the things that energized us 158 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, which which is pretty broad and 159 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: you know, thinking about all the important categories like work 160 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: and personal life and family, I'm going to think about 161 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: what drained us, what gave us flow, the things that 162 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: we resented doing, what we avoided doing, and just what 163 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: lit us up unexpectedly. 164 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: Yes, and as you said, so this is for everything. 165 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: This is not just free thing. Yeah, not just work. 166 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, meeting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's so important. 167 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: And then I think the process of comparing notes will 168 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: be really interesting. 169 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: So you're obviously going to do it privately. 170 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,119 Speaker 2: We're going to do it privately, Yes, so privately individually. 171 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: First, are you led to comment on the other person, 172 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: like or is it just you? I think we'll be 173 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: in the same location when we do it. 174 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking, okay, so it wasn't meant to 175 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: be you drained me. I was actually thinking, I noticed 176 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: your energy was drained when oh I love that. 177 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: I love that build. 178 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, so what are our observations about the 179 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: other person's energy? Yeah? 180 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: Really, because sometimes you don't notice. 181 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry, that's true. 182 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 183 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: The other thing that I reckon I will do is 184 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: when I'm trying to unpack a problem. And this has 185 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: become a bit of a I guess a workflow of 186 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: mine this year, and you know, sometimes I will sit 187 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: with the teammate or I was with my husband or 188 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: a friend. But other times, what I will do when 189 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I just need someone prompting me is 190 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: I will use credit a bunch of GPTs this year, 191 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: but I'll use this one that isn't interviewing GPT and 192 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: I will get it to interview me because that way 193 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: you've got someone prompting you and digging deeper, and it 194 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: just like it means that you don't have to. 195 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 3: It's so much example of this when you have to 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: make a decision, is it or oh gosh. 197 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Generally I've used it when I'm problem solving or like 198 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: when I'm trying to think creatively about something. 199 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Occasionally I've used it for reflection. 200 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: You need to interview me, but certainly for this energy audit, 201 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: I think I will also do. 202 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: I love that, don't you, Because maybe you did questions 203 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: last year and you found them really useful. I think 204 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: you had about one thousand, two hundred and fifty nine 205 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: questions that you found you. 206 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 207 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's how you're going to approach this brainstorming energy. 208 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 209 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: I also want to share some of the things from 210 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the year compass because there's I mean, it's very comprehensive. 211 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: I've just sort of highlighted a few things that I 212 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: will share and I'll just I'll shuffle these papers around. 213 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: So one of the things that I really like is 214 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: it asks you to go through your calendar week by 215 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: week and write out what were the most important significant 216 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: things that happened. And I love this because obviously recency 217 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: bias is a real thing where we remember the things 218 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: that were you know, that happened recently, and we forget 219 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: about everything else, particularly in the middle. 220 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: Of the year. 221 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: That helps me a lot with life. 222 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: Having a calendar, and I just like being a. 223 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: Gold fishing guy. 224 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: Today's a great day totally. So I'm going to do that. 225 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: So I'm going to actually open my calendar and sit 226 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: down so that I can write out the significant things 227 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: that happen. 228 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: I think I know what you're going to say. 229 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: What am I going to say? 230 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: I think, because it's something that I think we should share, 231 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: is you have a process that you write about in 232 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: your book, this working Life, and I can't like the 233 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: lifeline is that what it's called. 234 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: I can't believe we knew exactly what I was going 235 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: to Okay, so yes, it's called the life flow. That's 236 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: what I Yeah, that's what I call it. But I 237 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,599 Speaker 3: think it's got other names. I thought I created it, 238 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: and then I realized, you know, when you I'm like, 239 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: oh Jesus, I've created this thing, and then yeah, it's 240 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 3: a very common thing. So just google life flow and 241 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: you'll find it. But I was going to say, this 242 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: was one of the things that I had well rejected 243 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: decided not to do because I do it every year. 244 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: Can you explain what the process is and why you've 245 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: decided not to do it? 246 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: So the life flow is when you go through from 247 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: as far I'm going to tell you the one that 248 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: you normally do, So you go as far back as 249 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 3: you can remember to today, and you actually do it 250 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: in increments of time on the horizontal line, and then 251 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: subjective levels of happiness on the vertical line, and you're 252 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: basically mapping out the highs and the lows of your 253 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: life on the big milestones. So I use it as 254 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: a retrospective in the sense that I use it usually 255 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: at the end of the year to map out the 256 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: highs and the lows using my calendar, which I have 257 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 3: converted to you know, how you have the month view. 258 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: So even though I have my Google calendar, I actually 259 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: every day will just write the main things that happened 260 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: in the day so that I can do the life 261 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: flow at the end of the year on the month calendar. 262 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: That is so organized. 263 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: I love that, and often as I go I might 264 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 3: put things in either red danger or you know, green happiness, 265 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: just so that I remember those things, and then I 266 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: map it out and I do the highs and lows. 267 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: And the reason why I didn't do it this year 268 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: is because in the middle of the year, I was 269 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: feeling like it was literally the worst year of my life. 270 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: And now I have a different feeling about it, and 271 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: I actually don't want too much to go backwards into 272 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 3: the past because the past has happened for me. I 273 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: actually wanted my retrospective to be forward looking. And the 274 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: amazing thing about asking what went well, what did I learn? 275 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: What would I do differently, is there's questions are actually 276 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: forward thinking reflections, and so that's why I've chosen, just 277 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: for this point in my life to take a different 278 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: approach to the year that was. 279 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: I like that view. I think that's cool. 280 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: That's cool for listeners, though maybe you know, be open 281 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to that because I think it's. 282 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: A very good exercise. It's so powerful and why I 283 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: have used in every other year because first of all, 284 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: as you said, you forget what has happened, and also 285 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 3: you can really spot trends. So as you do the 286 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: highs and the lows of the year, and you reflect 287 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: on what made that a low for me? What was 288 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: I doing? Who was I weird? Where was I And 289 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: then you do it with the highs, and if you've 290 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: done it year on year like I have been doing, 291 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: then you really do get a sense of am I 292 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: just repeating myself? Or is this just life? Sometimes life 293 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: is life? And so how did I bring myself to that? 294 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: And even if it was a difficult situation, did I 295 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: behave better than in the past? You know, I think 296 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: that's a win. 297 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: I really like that exercise because of the themes that 298 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: it shows, Like I think for me and I reckon 299 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: I will do that exercise is that I know for me, 300 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: I feel like, look, I know that how energized I 301 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: am through spending time with friends, and I know that 302 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: when I can be organized enough to bring my friends 303 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: together and they're kind of, you know, all in disparate 304 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: groups and areas of life. I'm not one of those 305 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: people that has that. 306 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: You know, that group of six. 307 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: People and we've all grown up together and you know 308 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: that we all holiday together. 309 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: That's not me. 310 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: But it takes a lot of work organizing my friends 311 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: because they're all really busy, and I guess everyone's really busy, 312 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: but they've been some of the most real warding times 313 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: of this year, and through going through the life flow process, 314 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good way to be reminded of. 315 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: Okay, that took a lot of work, but the payoff 316 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: was incredibly high. 317 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: Like you know, I think about you know, it was 318 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: like a birthday lunch that you were at this year 319 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: that took a bit of organizing, but it was like 320 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: it was one of the most special days and I'm 321 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: so glad I did it. 322 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: That if you didn't pay attention to that and you 323 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: just let life roll on for next year with all 324 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: the projects that you have on, then you could easily 325 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: miss something that was an obvious high for you and me. Yeah. Yeah, 326 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: So I think that's a beautiful reason to do this 327 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: reflective piece the life flow or the past year. Do 328 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: they do the highs and lows in their version. 329 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: No interestingly, what they say, these are the instructions. So 330 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: going through your calendar, go through last year's calendar week 331 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: by week. 332 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: You know it's if you're doing this in twenty twenty five. 333 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: If you see an important event, family gathering, friendly get together, 334 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: or a significant project, write it down here so they 335 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: don't actually get you thinking about the highs and lows there. 336 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: How do you reflect on it? Then? 337 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like there's lots of other questions, I think 338 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: the life flow process is better. Coming up next, Lisa 339 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: and I will be talking about more powerful questions and 340 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: tools that you can use to unpack the year that was. 341 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: And I'm also going to be sharing my answers to 342 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: the biggest surprises of twenty twenty five because I had 343 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: some big ones, which incidentally is a very useful reflection 344 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: question along with the power of deciding what to let 345 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: go of and what to leave behind in the year 346 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: that was. If you're looking for more tips to improve 347 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: the way you work can live, I write a short 348 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: weekly newsletter that contains tactics I've discovered that have helped 349 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: me personally. You can sign up for that at Amantha 350 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Amantha dot com so one of the 351 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: things that they ask you to do is there are 352 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: six sentences about my past year, so things like the 353 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: wisest decision I made, the biggest lesson I learned. One 354 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: sentence that I particularly like is the biggest surprise of 355 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: the year. And I really love that because oftentimes when 356 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: when I've just been naturally reflecting on the year that 357 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: has been, and you know, I really love twenty twenty 358 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: five for lots of reasons, but it was surprising some 359 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: of the really good things that happened. 360 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: Like and you're so organized, I can't believe anything slip. 361 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: Through the net to surprise you. 362 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 3: But that Thine an example. 363 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: Well, look, I think one really big surprise was I've 364 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: spoken on this podcast, you know, on a few episodes 365 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: about just how horrible twenty twenty four was and that 366 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: the culture of Inventium was not the culture that I 367 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: knew and loved. And I think often when we're thinking 368 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: about the culture of an organization or the culture of 369 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: a team, that it's just like it takes there's years 370 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: to rebuild culture. But what I found this year is that, 371 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, we made some changes, and literally as of January, 372 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: the culture felt different, and it just kept getting better 373 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: and better and better every month. That just kept getting better, 374 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: and it reminded me, and that surprised me because I've 375 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: seen this happen a couple of times before with my 376 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: journey with Inventium, that culture can rebound incredibly quickly, you know, 377 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: with some good decisions being made and with the right 378 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: people on board and with trust being there, and so, 379 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, I just felt so buoyed by. 380 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: That and witness seout that on so many different levels. 381 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: I think first of all, that it's heartening that culture 382 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 3: can change so quickly. And also what's happening for you, Amantha, 383 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: is often when you're made making really difficult decisions and 384 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: they're very complex, the hardening part is knowing that you 385 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: can make good decisions. Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes I reflect on 386 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: that and go, you know, I went through this process 387 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: and I just wasn't sure, but I made some hard 388 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: choices and I did everything that I could to make 389 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: it a good decision. But you never know. And so 390 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm proud of how I made that decision, and I 391 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: know in myself that I can make good decisions because 392 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: sometimes I don't know. In the past, I might have 393 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: questioned the way I make decisions. 394 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: That is such a good point and you know what 395 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: like that really really resonates. Like one of the other 396 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: big surprises of this year is just how the AI 397 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: training and programs that invent Humors started offering, and we 398 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: started offering them late twenty twenty four and it's just 399 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: completely taken off. The business has grown, I think like 400 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: fourfolds or something crazy like that. And it's funny because 401 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: it was his decision that I wanted to make quite 402 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: some time ago, but I got quite a bit of pushback, 403 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: and I thought, well, maybe my instinct is wrong, and 404 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: there are some things that are different you know now 405 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: than you know a couple of years ago, when when 406 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: I really wanted to know, double down on AI. But 407 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: I kind of go, yeah, my instincts were really right there. 408 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: It was the right time. We had the right team 409 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: for it, We had the right mix of capability. 410 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: And it's kind of nice. 411 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: To because my decision making confidence was probably at an 412 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: all time low at the beginning of twenty twenty four, suspected, 413 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: which then led to, you know, a really tough year, 414 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: and so it is nice to take. 415 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: You make smaller decisions to improve your decision making confidence, 416 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 3: like would you just be. 417 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: That would be sensible. But I didn't end the. 418 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: Choice, really no, I had to just make a whole 419 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: lot of really big decisions, and that was one of 420 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: the big decisions. 421 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: Was there something that you had to say to yourself 422 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: to enable you to go with that intuition? 423 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think in any kind of workplace 424 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: or in life, there are what some people refer to 425 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: as one way and two way door decisions, where the 426 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: two way door decisions, if you get. 427 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: It wrong, you can reverse back. Yes, and that's fine. 428 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: That's the reverse back. 429 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: That's the truck truck reversing. 430 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: There are other decisions that are one way door decisions 431 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: where you make that decision and you really can't go back. 432 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: And so I definitely made some one way door decisions. 433 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: But the AI decision, I mean that was a series 434 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: of experiments, and so I think they were two way 435 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: door decisions much safer and really easy to test what 436 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: the appetite was. 437 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah. 438 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: So it just shows you how powerful doing this reflection 439 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: piece is because we got to this the nub of it, 440 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 3: which is actually about decision making and intuition and you know, 441 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: trusting yourself. There, Amantha, I think with some of these 442 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: big decisions, so beautiful. 443 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: Thanks. 444 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't need to set of time time to reflect, 445 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: We're just doing it now. Some other questions that this 446 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: is the year compass that gets you to think about 447 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: who are the three people who. 448 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: Influenced you most? And who were three people you influenced 449 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: the most? And I think they are two really interesting 450 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: questions to think about, because I mean, it reinforces just 451 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: how interconnected we are. And I like with the three. 452 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: People who influenced you the most, Like I'm reminded of 453 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: that quote. It's you know, it's bit of cliche. You know, 454 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: you are the some of the you know, what is 455 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: it five people that you spend the most time with? 456 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's really important. And I know for me, 457 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: like really the last couple of years has been a 458 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: bit of. 459 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: A year of shedding, I would say. 460 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: And you know, and as an only child, I always have 461 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: friends the family that you choose, I choose you. 462 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: I was lucky. Wasn't it that I set it back? 463 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 2: Would have been really awkward for the rest of this interview? 464 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: But like, for example, you know, there were a couple 465 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: of people that were close friends that I thought, no, 466 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: like these relationships are not leaving me in a good state. 467 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: And so you know, when I think about the three 468 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: people who influenced you most, I feel like I've kind 469 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: of changed who in some ways. In some ways that 470 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: the inner circle has remained constant, but there have also 471 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: been some changes that. 472 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: I think for me have have been healthy ones. 473 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 3: And so that's a really good prompt because often we 474 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: forget about the people. So it's nice to focus. And 475 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: the why you're asking that question makes me think that 476 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: you could put both good influence and bad influence. 477 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: I guess, yes, yes, you totally could. 478 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: I was just thinking good influence. Of course bad influence 479 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: as well, I think. 480 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 3: So, and I think paying attention to that, and you know, 481 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: bad influence, I mean that's in quotation marks because often 482 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, people are just being themselves and it's how 483 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: we choose to interact with them. And some people's energy, 484 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I know you love energy. It could be 485 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: good for someone else, but just not good for us. 486 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: So I think just looking at the people around us, 487 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: and you could widen that question then, so to look 488 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: at your circle in a circle and then think, okay, 489 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 3: so what were the interactions how did it make me feel? 490 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: And I do love thinking about who were the three 491 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: people you influenced most? Because I know most, like both 492 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: of us were, We're very motivated by having a positive impact. 493 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: And I think you know our work that you know, 494 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: both our careers a careers that are designed to have 495 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: a positive impact on others. 496 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: And so I like the way that question gets you thinking. 497 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: How was it phrased again? Who were the three people 498 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: you influenced the most? 499 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that would mop up our daughters. 500 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: One percent, Yeah, one hundred percent. 501 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: Lucky there a lucky then, But it's also I think 502 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: when you are a parent, and particularly a working parent, 503 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that our daughters are very much 504 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: of course, they are one of our answers. 505 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 3: And that's why I mentioned it. I think you know, 506 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: no to self. No, I've been very conscious about that 507 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: because my daughter's about to turn eighteen as well, so 508 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 3: you know, I'm just sort of in that beautiful period 509 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 3: where she is becoming her you know, the adult and 510 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: independent woman that she is, and so thinking about that. 511 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: And she has actually mentioned role modeling to me, which 512 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: is really where no matter what you say, it's how 513 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: you behave and so you know, thinking about that in 514 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: terms of a wide interpretation of influence as well. So 515 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: is it a halo or is it a shadow? 516 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: Okay, So back to the year Compass and a couple 517 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: of other things that I think are cool. 518 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: How long would this will take? Because pages and age? 519 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: I know, I know, and you can see me like 520 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: leaping through the pages and skipping some So. 521 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: You're still going. 522 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: I know it's still going. And we haven't even got 523 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: to the looking ahead part. 524 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, because have you ever done it? 525 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: I've done parts of it, but you know what, I've 526 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: never done the whole thing front to back. 527 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, because that would actually take you a whole year 528 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 3: to do it, and then. 529 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: And nothing's happened and you've got nothing to reflect on 530 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: other than your repletion. Compass, in all seriousness, I think 531 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: they do have recommendations on their website, which is Yearcompass 532 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: dot com, and we'll link to that in the show notes. 533 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: I think they recommend half a day or a day 534 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: or something like that. And this is a process that 535 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: you can do on your own, with a group of friends, 536 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: with your partner, you know whoever. That's pretty flexible. So 537 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: a couple of other things in this process. One is 538 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: that there is a whole page about letting go, and 539 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: oh I love this, and it asks is there anything 540 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: you have to let go of before you can start 541 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: your next year? 542 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: Draw? All right, then think about it and let it 543 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: all go. 544 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: There's no interpretive dance. That's all very good. 545 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: We're all carrying so much baggage at any given point 546 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: in time, and it's nice to go, what do I 547 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: actually want to leave behind? 548 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm doing this massive decluttering process anyway, 549 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: so emotional decluttering is part of that. And also what 550 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: a great question that I could just throw into the mix, 551 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: given that I'm decluttering my life. So I love this 552 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: so much and it's a hard one, but it's a 553 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: good one. 554 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: It is. Yeah. And one of the final things that. 555 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: It asks is it asks you to choose three words 556 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: to define your past year. 557 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: What do you think about that? 558 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: About doing that as a process, Well, you know, often 559 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: I set an intention, which is a word or two 560 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: for the year ahead, So it makes sense to check 561 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: in and ask myself what words would describe it and 562 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: see if there's any gaps between what I thought my 563 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: word of the year was going to be mm hmm 564 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: and the year that was. I love that and interestingly, 565 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: as I mentioned, I think in the middle of the 566 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: year I would have used different words than the end 567 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: of the year. So I think that's that's not a 568 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: bad practice. I mean sometimes I think with those things, 569 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: if it comes naturally, all good, and well, if nothing comes, 570 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 3: I just don't think force it. What do you think, 571 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: because this is all meant to be helpful. 572 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. 573 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you choose to do this process, 574 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: you don't need to do it all. I found some 575 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: of the questions incredibly helpful and thought provoking, like some 576 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: of the ones that I've shared, And then there were 577 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: others that I just thought, I don't know that that's 578 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: not really inspiring much in me. 579 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it may be the different years, different things emerge. 580 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: So it sounds like a good process. Yeah, to flip through. 581 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: I would love to note some of the retro tools 582 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: that you have discarded. And I can tell you one 583 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: thing that I totally failed at this year. 584 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: You might remember, you probably don't. 585 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: It was a year ago we recorded a conversation like 586 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: this to design a perfect twenty twenty five a good 587 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, And one of the things I think 588 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: you mentioned it, or maybe I did but it was 589 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: something that I committed to doing, was having. 590 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 3: You're lucky I didn't remember this. 591 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: I remember it because it's literally on my wall. 592 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: So I bought a calendar that is a big wall calendar. 593 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: It must be I don't know a one size that's 594 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: like really big, isn't it? And every day has a 595 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: little box. And what I was going to do is 596 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: I was going to every single day, right, just a 597 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: few words about the day, so that when I was 598 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: reflecting on the year, I could just have it all 599 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: that kind of what you do with your calendar. 600 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 3: So you've brought it in and it's all filled. 601 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: Out, remember no, no, so is it still on your wall? 602 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: It's still on my wall? 603 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: How much is filled out? 604 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: Seven days worth? 605 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: And it was it the first seven days or did 606 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: you randomly pick seven days in the year where you 607 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: felt like, right. 608 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: It was the first seven days of the year, and 609 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: then maybe I did one or two more days towards 610 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: the end of the way. 611 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: Wow, you know this is a great you know an 612 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: equals one. But it's you know the news resolutions. How 613 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: long does it last? 614 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: One week? 615 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 3: Exactly seven days? Doctor Amantha Imba has actually figured this out. 616 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: Go oh my gosh. Anyway, tell me, what are some 617 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: processes that maybe you've used in the past but you 618 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: decided not to use it for this year. Bit, but 619 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: you've got some value from the past. 620 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. So apart from the life flow exercise which I 621 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: had done, the other one which I found useful was 622 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: Don Price's three l's So what did I learn? What 623 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: did I love? And what did I loathe? And what 624 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: he says is that looking at what you loathe is 625 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: another way of doing the letting go exercise, because if 626 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 3: you really didn't like it, then if you want to 627 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: add something in which is actually long for so yeah, 628 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 3: so it's long what did you long for? And so 629 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: often if you can let go of something which is 630 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: in loath and then replace it for the long full 631 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: I think that's a beautiful process as well. It just 632 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 3: overlaps a little bit with the retrospective, so I thought 633 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 3: I don't need to do both. And also, you know, 634 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 3: every so often I'll just think, oh, no, actually I 635 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 3: really want to fill out this the foil. So that's 636 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: another one which is useful. And once again it's with 637 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: just feeling like, oh, what sort of tool do I 638 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 3: want to use and how deep do I want to 639 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: go as well. 640 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's been heaps here for people to cherry 641 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: pick from. What we're going to do in the next 642 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: episode is talk about how we are future planning, yes 643 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: for the year. Looking back on a year is never 644 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: really about the events themselves, It's about what they reveal. 645 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: If you want to try something yourself, maybe just pick 646 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: one small entry point. Maybe start with what genuinely surprised 647 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: me this year. It is amazing where that one question 648 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: can take you. Now, make sure that you follow How 649 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: I Work wherever you listen to podcasts, because next week 650 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: Lisa and I will be sharing how we're preparing for 651 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: the year ahead and some more useful strategies and questions 652 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: to help make twenty twenty six a brilliant one. 653 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, and I will see you in 654 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: part two next week. 655 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: If you like today's show, make sure you get follow 656 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: on your podcast app to be alerted when new episodes drop. 657 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: How I Work was recorded on the traditional land of 658 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: the Warrangery People, part of the Cooler Nation