WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - An Ick From The Aisle, A Suspicious Training Camp and A Cheating Boss

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on cameragle Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 2>one cut. I'm Brittany and I getting throlled here.

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to high. I had a great sleep, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>feeling good.

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<v Speaker 1>I work up vomiting. Does that count?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Well, I take everything back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like from the high, from the highs to the lows.

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<v Speaker 1>I work up vomiting.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I was mad at Matt because all I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted was for him to like, he knew I was vomiting.

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<v Speaker 1>He could hear it. He was downstairs, and all I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted was for him to just.

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<v Speaker 4>Bring me some water, but he just like he's now

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<v Speaker 4>so used to it, it didn't even register.

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<v Speaker 1>It just cracked on with his day.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, and all I was trying.

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<v Speaker 4>To do sorry for anyone who's like a sympathetic vomitor

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<v Speaker 4>when they hear that noise. And then I was trying

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<v Speaker 4>to call out to him to bring me water, but

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't because every time I called that, I started

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<v Speaker 4>coughing and vomited again.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so mad. I rate haven't calm down yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also the thing that happens. When it's it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes like normal. It's a part of your pregnancy. You

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<v Speaker 2>get morning sickness. Yes, I don't think that they realize

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<v Speaker 2>how much it affects you.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if other people experience it is and it's

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely not pregnancy related, it's any type of sickness related.

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<v Speaker 4>Does your partner have a limited time of empathy? Because

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, and like, this is I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to criticize Matt because he is He's really really great,

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<v Speaker 4>like he genuinely is. But when it comes to like

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<v Speaker 4>prolonged sickness, god forbid anything really bad happens, he's like

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<v Speaker 4>level of tolerance for it, like he's really good day one,

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<v Speaker 4>day two, little bit less good, day three, gift fuck

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<v Speaker 4>over it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you've been sick long enough, Now.

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<v Speaker 3>You get three days.

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<v Speaker 5>I reckon, I get three and a half minutes. I

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<v Speaker 5>will criticize my partner. This is actually something that genuinely

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<v Speaker 5>I say. It still doesn't sit comfortably with me, the

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<v Speaker 5>lack of care when I am not feeling well. He

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<v Speaker 5>also claims that I'm like not feeling well all the time,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, yeah, because I'm a woman, and that

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<v Speaker 5>shit happens regularly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>My thing is is like I'll say I'm sick and

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<v Speaker 4>be like, oh you're sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I got ton't know, and that's his response.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I actually think i'd have to be dying. And

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<v Speaker 5>I give him some lenience because he is.

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<v Speaker 3>A doctor, so he does actually deal with people who

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<v Speaker 3>have genuine emergencies.

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<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't take away from yours.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, thank you, Brie.

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<v Speaker 2>Like somebody's always going to have it worse, like in

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<v Speaker 2>every capacity of life. That doesn't mean like you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Allowed to f Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>The amount of times he's like, have a celebrex or

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<v Speaker 5>a panantole and let you be fine. I'm celebres sounds

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<v Speaker 5>like a chocolate. It's a full on form of like Europe,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think I don't actually know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not he's drugging you at home, He's like, off

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<v Speaker 3>you go to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I would also like.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone to know that this is not us endorsing any

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<v Speaker 4>kind of medication. I was just purely curious because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, brit what's it been?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>What's your time frame window?

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<v Speaker 2>Benn is actually brilliant, but we don't live together, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's different. But I was just trying to think about

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<v Speaker 2>it when we're talking about it. My migraines. When I

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<v Speaker 2>met Ben, I wasn't doing botox, and they were every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in so much pain every single day, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would ask him to, like, for the first six

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<v Speaker 2>weeks when I went over there, I asked him to

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<v Speaker 2>massage my neck every day. And then at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of it, I was like, I need to stop asking

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<v Speaker 2>him because he thinks that I'm just being super neaty.

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<v Speaker 2>But he still would come out the next day and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, hash next today, Do you want a next up?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, but like, we don't live together,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what it would be like. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's a very empathetic person. I think that he would.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that he would always.

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<v Speaker 4>Be like maybe if I did long distance, my husband

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<v Speaker 4>would camel mae.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you need a rub each day.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt's new one is he'll go, oh, are You're pregnant?

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<v Speaker 4>Anytime I say anything. It was like a wi a

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<v Speaker 4>winge about of pregnant sy Sympton and be like, are

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<v Speaker 4>you pregnant? I'm like, mate, you have no idea, no idea,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't even know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm raging for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you grow a whole human in your body.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what, Like I said, I'm paying him

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<v Speaker 4>out and he'll hate this, but he is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>He just has a tolerance for it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like he's really good day one and then it

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<v Speaker 4>kind of slowly fades. And so this morning, whilst I

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<v Speaker 4>was vomiting up my whole before I'd even had breakfast,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, fuck, man, just just bring me across

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<v Speaker 4>the water power.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know something that I've just realized?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I love you, Matt. If you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>we all love Matt. Be better. He hasn't listened to

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<v Speaker 1>an episode so long.

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<v Speaker 2>What I have realized is I used to have not

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<v Speaker 2>only my headaches, but really severe back and neck pain.

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<v Speaker 2>And I I thought my head aches came from that.

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<v Speaker 2>After I did Dancing with the Stars, it's gone. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it like realigned my back or if

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Craig threw me in some position where it cracked

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<v Speaker 2>it back into place. But I've not had one bit

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<v Speaker 2>of back pain since I did Dancing with the Stars,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was all I thought about every day in

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<v Speaker 2>my life before Dancing.

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<v Speaker 3>With the Stars.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if it's fitness related or just exercise in

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<v Speaker 4>general related, like you know, moving your body in a

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<v Speaker 4>way that's different to how you normally move it, stretching

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<v Speaker 4>it in ways, because I mean dancing does This is

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<v Speaker 4>the thing about when we were training for Dancing with

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<v Speaker 4>the Stars.

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<v Speaker 1>You find muscles in your body you never knew exists.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter how fit you are, you absolutely or

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<v Speaker 4>you wake up one day and you're like, why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is that? Where did that even come from?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>When does the show start?

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<v Speaker 2>I think next month, But they haven't actually told us.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine one day I'll walk out and I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>on the TV.

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<v Speaker 4>But they have so soon though.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's supposed to be the end of June.

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<v Speaker 2>But they literally when I say they haven't told us,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not faking that. They don't tell you. They decide.

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<v Speaker 2>I think only a few weeks out then they'll let

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<v Speaker 2>us all know. But there is publicity gearing up for it,

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<v Speaker 2>so I imagine it's on the way, but I almost forget

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<v Speaker 2>that I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Has the full cast been announced yet or is it still.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all out?

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<v Speaker 1>It's all out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we did all the public Yeah, I know all

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<v Speaker 2>of that thank you staying up to date with my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, guys, it is you're the biggest thing in your

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<v Speaker 1>life is your wedding? Okay, I'm up to date.

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<v Speaker 2>Dancing might be bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we'll see. Look you're here for asking car. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into doing it first.

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<v Speaker 2>Vibe someone subscribes, what is your vibe for the week.

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<v Speaker 2>My vibe is sorry, it's for dog people. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have a dog. I mean you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a dog. You could get anyway. It is

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<v Speaker 2>actually by the brand dog. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are saying Lisa is the doctor Lisa, yeah, docor Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a bet on TV. I think she might have

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<v Speaker 2>taken over Chris Brown on Bond. I bet like the

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<v Speaker 2>TV show.

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<v Speaker 4>Fantastic dog bags like Pooh bags. Yeah, they're great, little handles,

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<v Speaker 4>thick enough. It's a really perfect it's a really great brand. Actually, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>the dog bags. People laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>Dog bags are important because if they're too thin, your

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<v Speaker 2>finger's going straight through or a stick is going through

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<v Speaker 2>and you get shot on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree, also knowing that no one cares if you

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<v Speaker 4>talk about dog bags. While but like the bright fluor

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<v Speaker 4>of green ones are too thin and they're so translucent,

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<v Speaker 4>So you're walking around with a shit you can see

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<v Speaker 4>in a bag, whereas at least with the black ones,

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<v Speaker 4>like there's some sort of you just don't feel as

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<v Speaker 4>it's discretion.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't feel as exposed.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't feel like like some yeah, such a street

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<v Speaker 4>rat carrying a shit around your hand.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is something that I heard for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>and I rethought about it last night. I have stopped

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<v Speaker 2>varying Delilah's food so much because the vet told me that,

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<v Speaker 2>like just put her on the same kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So she has a mix of like this raw salmon

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<v Speaker 2>patty and I mix it into a dry kibble every day.

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<v Speaker 2>And I put it down last night and she just

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<v Speaker 2>gave me this look that was like this again. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I remembered I had this product that I used

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<v Speaker 2>to use and for some reason I stopped using it now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called dog Taste Boosters, and you can get them

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<v Speaker 2>in a beef, chicken, fish or like a variety pack

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<v Speaker 2>of flavors. They're literally it just comes in a pack

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<v Speaker 2>of like a hundred or something. It's a tiny capsule

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like a panodole. You twist it open and

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<v Speaker 2>you sprinkle the flavor over, so it just jazzes up.

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<v Speaker 2>Or animal food. I seison it like salt bay. I

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<v Speaker 2>see like salt bait, and she loves it. And sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>as she doesn't love her dry kibble, I'll put a

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<v Speaker 2>taste booster on there. It changes the flavor for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden she'll gobble it up. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a really good product, and it's got really

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<v Speaker 2>good things in it, Like it's not just a flavor,

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<v Speaker 2>it is genuinely good for their gut.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do love this, but I also love that Delilah.

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<v Speaker 4>She just has such high expectations that she knows that

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<v Speaker 4>if she stands off for long enough, you will do

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<v Speaker 4>something to boost her food.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas like Busters, like all right, I eat the cat

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<v Speaker 1>food whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really good. It's got prebiotics, post biodoics and parabiotics,

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<v Speaker 2>so it helps them. It's actually genuinely a really good

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<v Speaker 2>thing for you. And if you need to give them medication,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really good to hide the flavor of the medication

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff as well. So that is we'll put the

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<v Speaker 2>link up obviously, but that is my Vibe this Week

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to like me, jazz up your dog's diet.

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<v Speaker 5>My vibe this Week is one of my favorite I

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<v Speaker 5>think I've ever brought.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the book by Sarah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wyn Williams called Careless People.

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<v Speaker 5>Now I listen to it on audible, but I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure you could get a physical copy.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>She was a former Facebook exec and she worked there

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<v Speaker 5>for six years, and this whole book is unpacking the

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<v Speaker 5>things that actually happened behind the scenes during her time

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<v Speaker 5>at Facebook. So she finished up in twenty seventeen, so

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of that period of time. You remember twenty

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<v Speaker 5>sixteen being called the Facebook Collection and that's how Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump got in. She goes through what happened beforehand and

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<v Speaker 5>kind of the ways the really insidious maneuvers that the

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<v Speaker 5>executives in Facebook kind of didn't pull.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, the book is called.

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<v Speaker 1>Careless People because I've always had.

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<v Speaker 5>An impression that, you know, these things were done quite recklessly.

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<v Speaker 5>I was still so shocked and surprised at the amount

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<v Speaker 5>of like juvenile behavior and just lack of consideration of

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<v Speaker 5>their power, and it was so abundantly obvious. And I

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<v Speaker 5>know that listening to this You'll probably be like, yeah, duh,

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<v Speaker 5>that the only thing that they cared about was power,

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<v Speaker 5>But I didn't understand the layers to that and how

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<v Speaker 5>bad it actually was. She also worked there, like I said,

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<v Speaker 5>until twenty seventeen when she was fired and they fired

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<v Speaker 5>her for poor performance and toxic behavior. But it was

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<v Speaker 5>very coincidentally just after she launched an HR complaint against

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<v Speaker 5>one of her bosses, called Joel Kaplan for sexual harassment,

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<v Speaker 5>and he was a former Republican staffer. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>kind of giving you a bit of an impression as

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<v Speaker 5>to what went on behind the scenes. It was really

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<v Speaker 5>shocking to hear about certain things, like this woman called

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<v Speaker 5>Cheryl who had this movement and this book and it

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<v Speaker 5>was all associated with like motherhood and empowerment of women.

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<v Speaker 5>But behind the scenes it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the absolute polar opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>Like when Sarah was on maternity leave for I think

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<v Speaker 5>it might have been her second baby, she nearly died

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<v Speaker 5>in childbirth, and she was in a coma. She was

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<v Speaker 5>in a really bad way, and there were reports that

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<v Speaker 5>she was difficult to contact. Yeah that time, so it

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<v Speaker 5>was like, she's absolutely amazing. She's a Kiwi woman. She

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<v Speaker 5>was a lawyer, before or she was a diplomat before

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<v Speaker 5>she ended up working at Facebook.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I thought was the most.

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting advertising that ever could have come up about this

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<v Speaker 5>book was the fact that Facebook tried, or Meta I

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<v Speaker 5>should say, tried so hard to block the publication and

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<v Speaker 5>the promotion of this book.

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<v Speaker 1>They've also blocked her from distribution in the States of

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<v Speaker 1>this book. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 5>They tried to block it, and I think they initially

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<v Speaker 5>may have had some success, but that has been overturned

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<v Speaker 5>so you can listen to it in America, But from

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<v Speaker 5>what I understand, she is still blocked from promoting it,

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<v Speaker 5>and she's also still blocked from going and speaking with

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<v Speaker 5>lawmakers in other countries about the way that Meta actually

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<v Speaker 5>operates behind the scenes because they don't want them to

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<v Speaker 5>have that information and the whole book. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 5>the start of it took me a little bit to

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<v Speaker 5>get into.

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<v Speaker 2>There was just a little bit of a lead up, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Once I kind of got into chapter six or seven,

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<v Speaker 5>I really felt like I was just humming. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>completely changed the way that I look at certain aspects

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<v Speaker 5>of advertising, And not that I ever thought that they

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<v Speaker 5>were moral, I just didn't realize how immoral it was,

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<v Speaker 5>but you remember, and maybe you didn't read it at

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<v Speaker 5>the time, but a few years ago we spoke about

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<v Speaker 5>like the original Facebook whistleblower from the Facebook files, frances Horgan.

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<v Speaker 2>So she that was back in twenty twenty one. She

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<v Speaker 2>copied tens of thousands of documents from Facebook and release

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<v Speaker 2>them to the media. She went and spoke in front

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<v Speaker 2>of Congress, and the same sort of thing happened to her,

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<v Speaker 2>but hers was trying to highlight profit over safety, and

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<v Speaker 2>we ended up having that discussion here based on the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of Facebook meta having the information on how damaging

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<v Speaker 2>it is to teenagers and young kids and ignoring it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this was Francis. So she was like, I guess one

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<v Speaker 2>of the original whistleblowers. And it's a shame because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like that shows you the power of meta and Facebook,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's sort of people forget and even you reading

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<v Speaker 2>that book, I've forgotten that she released thousands of documents

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<v Speaker 2>on it. It just sort of gets buried.

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<v Speaker 5>And also there was actually an interesting crossover with the

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<v Speaker 5>interview that you guys did with Sean Turnell. And I

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<v Speaker 5>know I'm going on a little bit long here, but

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<v Speaker 5>I really was just so fascinated by different aspects of this.

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<v Speaker 5>Sean Turnell was the guy who was imprisoned in Me

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<v Speaker 5>and Mar for six hundred and fifty days I think

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<v Speaker 5>it was, and he shared the most incredible story with

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<v Speaker 5>you guys. But that was because the military coup happened

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<v Speaker 5>and he was, you know, supporting democracy, so he was

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<v Speaker 5>put in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really interesting understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>The ways that Facebook got.

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<v Speaker 5>The Internet into Me and Mar and how much control

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<v Speaker 5>they had over what was, you know, released from those

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<v Speaker 5>Facebook profiles of people and kind of I guess I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh, this is so fascinating. I've known about

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<v Speaker 5>the next part of what happened next, Well, it's that

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<v Speaker 5>the military took over.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's also like how it influences politics and

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<v Speaker 4>literally everything around us. That's what happens when you have

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<v Speaker 4>a monopoly, and unfortunately that is what Facebook is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>apart from the fact that there's TikTok now as well,

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<v Speaker 4>but Facebook meta is a monopoly.

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<v Speaker 1>They own everything. So the book is called Careless People.

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<v Speaker 5>It is by Sarah Wynn Williams, and you can get it.

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<v Speaker 5>I got it on audible or you could get the

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<v Speaker 5>physical copy. I'm assuming for most places.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a skincare recommendation, and it's because I have

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<v Speaker 4>had to do this overhaul on everything that I'm using

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<v Speaker 4>at the moment in terms of like what is pregnancy

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<v Speaker 4>save or what is suitable for my skin? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>but like since being pregnant, I'm always a dry person,

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<v Speaker 4>but like it is like ten times worse every trap

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<v Speaker 4>Just I'm so drag prune I am, But I really

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy this. It's something I've actually used for a really

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<v Speaker 4>long time, but since being pregnant, I have ramped up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Willida product. I don't know if you use

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<v Speaker 1>Willieda at all, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys skin food?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, skin food from Willida. It's brilliant, but it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a fantastic all around us. So it's like the

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<v Speaker 4>type of product that you can use on your kids,

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<v Speaker 4>you can use it on chap skin, you can just

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<v Speaker 4>use it as a moisturizer. It's one of those kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like almost like I liken it to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like papaya what was the papaya cream or whatever it's

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<v Speaker 4>called ointment? Papaya ointment? Is that what it was? The

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<v Speaker 4>red thing that everyone got obsessed with kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>ballet poor paw fuck, that's it my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because you're eating so requiring your pregnancy, like dreaming

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Papaya, popop, papia the poor for ointment, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like I liken it to that that kind of took

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<v Speaker 4>over as like in all everything ointment. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>the Wiliita skin Foods is very much on par but

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<v Speaker 4>also like I find it, probably I find it more usable.

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<v Speaker 4>I really enjoy it, and I think that if where

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<v Speaker 4>my skin has been at recently, it is like the

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<v Speaker 4>most intensive version of what I need. And my makeup artist,

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<v Speaker 4>who I use, Jen, she puts it under makeup like

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<v Speaker 4>she absolutely swears by it as well, so I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's skin foods from Willita.

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<v Speaker 4>They also have a fantastic range for like mums and

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<v Speaker 4>babies as well, that's separate to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really enjoying.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Australian made and it's also all of the good

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like ethical certified blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Question one. I'm getting married soon and feel a bit

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<v Speaker 2>icky about my dad walking me down the aisle. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a fan of the tradition of being given away

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<v Speaker 2>from one man to another for context. I'm not super

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<v Speaker 2>close with my dad, but we don't necessarily have a

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<v Speaker 2>bad relationship. My parents are quite traditional. Growing up, my

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<v Speaker 2>dad was the provider. My mom was a stay at

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<v Speaker 2>home mom, so I really didn't have much of an

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<v Speaker 2>emotional connection to my dad. He was always working. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it will upset my parents if I tell them

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<v Speaker 2>I want to walk down the aisle or by myself.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not sure if I should just suck it

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<v Speaker 2>up to keep the peace. What do you think I

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<v Speaker 2>should do?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you not walk down the aisle with both of them?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have to just walk down with your dad?

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<v Speaker 4>If that's something that sits uncomfortably.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit confused about why you're feeling icky. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it because you don't like the tradition or the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of being given away? Or is it because you feel

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<v Speaker 2>weird because your relationship is not so close with your dad,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's like two things going on concurrently here. If

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<v Speaker 2>it's more just that you're not that close with your

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<v Speaker 2>dad and you were closer with your mom, I would

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<v Speaker 2>walk down with both of them. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it means or it has to mean what it used

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<v Speaker 2>to mean. So I'm obviously getting married soon. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to walk down the aisle with my mom and my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's no part of me that sees that as

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<v Speaker 2>my dad giving me away or my mom giving me away.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't correlate those anymore. I know that was the tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me, I'm really close with my parents. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very close to my dad, and for me, I just

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<v Speaker 2>see that as a beautiful moment to experience with my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is my perspective and the way I view it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you can reframe it any way you want.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to mean what it used to mean

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<v Speaker 2>about I've owned my daughter and now I'm giving her

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<v Speaker 2>to you. So for me, this is what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I've reframed the whole idea of what a wedding is,

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<v Speaker 2>what a wedding means. It doesn't mean to me what

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<v Speaker 2>it traditionally does.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand that, but I think it's tricky to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of go down the track of being like, I've totally

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<v Speaker 4>reframed this and therefore it means something totally different. I

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<v Speaker 4>understand that that is what it means to you, but

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<v Speaker 4>there's also going to be lots of people there and

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<v Speaker 4>it means to them something else. Like weddings are traditionally

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<v Speaker 4>rooted in culture. They're traditionally rooted in I would say,

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<v Speaker 4>and not to get too serious, but like a very

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<v Speaker 4>patriarchal sense of like a woman is being given away

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<v Speaker 4>to the man, from one father to her new husband,

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<v Speaker 4>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the tradition behind it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I guess for me, when I got married,

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<v Speaker 4>I had my mom and my dad walked me down

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<v Speaker 4>the aisle because it would have been weird for me

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<v Speaker 4>to just have my dad walk me down the aisle

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<v Speaker 4>because my parents are divorced. I'm not closer to my

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<v Speaker 4>dad than I am to my mom, and equally as

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<v Speaker 4>close to both of them, they both co parented me

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<v Speaker 4>growing up. The thing that felt weirder to me is

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<v Speaker 4>that I didn't have my granddad there. I always saw

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<v Speaker 4>my granddad walking me down the aisle, my papa, and

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<v Speaker 4>that was probably the most like devastating part of my wedding,

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<v Speaker 4>was that he wasn't there to do that because he

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<v Speaker 4>passed away by that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you saw that when you pictured your granddad walking

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<v Speaker 2>down the aisle to you, because he's important to you,

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<v Speaker 2>not because you think he's the man that should be

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<v Speaker 2>handing you over and giving you to another man like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Also reframed the meaning.

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<v Speaker 4>To be fair, though had Papa been alive, it would

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<v Speaker 4>have caused some fucking issues in my family because and

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<v Speaker 4>then there would have been three people, and that just

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<v Speaker 4>logistically wouldn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>You could hold your train like Dad called me from behind,

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<v Speaker 1>or that was weird. Maybe mom should do Thatt's let's

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<v Speaker 1>take that out.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you probably shouldn't do that. I don't think anyone except.

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<v Speaker 4>Except ah my god, I really regret I regret everything. No,

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<v Speaker 4>But I think, look, if you feel icky about it,

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<v Speaker 4>I would suggest both parents. I don't think that that's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's so normal now to have both parents.

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<v Speaker 4>But if what you're actually saying is that you don't

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<v Speaker 4>want anyone because you just don't believe in the tradition

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<v Speaker 4>and you want something completely different, then I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>okay and have that conversation with them. But I definitely

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that you need to have the version of

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<v Speaker 4>a super traditional wedding because clearly it means to you

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<v Speaker 4>what it means to you, and that's why you feel

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<v Speaker 4>uncomfortable about it. But yeah, I do agree with you,

0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.800
<v Speaker 4>Britt that, like there's a lot of reframing that's going

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<v Speaker 4>on around weddings at the moment, around like what a

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 4>wedding means to someone, what a marriage means to someone.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think if you have been brought up in

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<v Speaker 4>a traditional sense, then it still has the original meaning.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you know, if you've been brought up Christian

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<v Speaker 4>or Catholic or in a traditional family, even if you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to rewrite those meanings, the fact that your parents

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<v Speaker 4>believe in it for what it is makes it really

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<v Speaker 4>hard for you to say, well, this means something else

0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:50.520
<v Speaker 4>to me, and that's why I'm doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is all pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also how we change history. It's also how we

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<v Speaker 2>rewrite the patriarchy. This is it, this is it by

0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.840
<v Speaker 2>doing it and saying it doesn't mean this anymore. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing it my way because in five or ten years

0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.639
<v Speaker 2>this will be normal. No one will even remember what

0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.719
<v Speaker 2>it was. Of course, in your religion, if you were

0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.640
<v Speaker 2>deeply embedded in that, it's always going to have those

0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.760
<v Speaker 2>meanings and people want it to have those meanings. Also, fine,

0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.920
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not here to yuck anyone else's youm.

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<v Speaker 1>The world has changed quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem is, though it is like, and I do

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.520
<v Speaker 4>what you said Britt about this idea that like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is your moment to change the blank merriage, your moment,

0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.240
<v Speaker 4>this is your moment take about the balls. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>the thing is, though that sounds great in theory, but

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<v Speaker 4>when it's your parents and you have to deal with

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<v Speaker 4>the drama of your parents, and you have to deal

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<v Speaker 4>with their backlash, their feelings have hurt, their feelings of

0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.199
<v Speaker 4>guilt tripping and all of that, especially when they have

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<v Speaker 4>a perception about what your wedding should be, it's really

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<v Speaker 4>really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to discredit that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's something that a lot of people have to navigate,

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<v Speaker 4>is the family politics around weddings. It's a constant, constant

0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.399
<v Speaker 4>question that we receive, and I think you have to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to play it by ear, and I think

0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.960
<v Speaker 4>the only way to answer this question is to sum

0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 4>it up yourself. Is this going to be so much

0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.840
<v Speaker 4>drama that it's not like the juice is not worth

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 4>the squeeze, in which case then I would say, make

0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.840
<v Speaker 4>the decision to walk down the aisle with your dad.

0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 4>If it's going to be something that you can't live

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<v Speaker 4>with because you're like, I absolutely do not want him

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.879
<v Speaker 4>walking me down the aisle. Then maybe explore the idea

0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.399
<v Speaker 4>of it being both your parents or no one. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think only you can make a decision that's best

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.919
<v Speaker 4>for you based on the drama that's going to.

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Follow from this.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a really shitty situation to be in, but

0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.479
<v Speaker 4>it is not uncommon, and weddings and marriages create a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of this sort of family dynamic rift.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't get the impression that it's anything

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<v Speaker 2>about religion as such. You said they're traditional, but I

0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.840
<v Speaker 2>think it's more you've said your parents would be upset

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to walk down by yourself. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>totally understand that, Like, it's a really special time to

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<v Speaker 2>your parents as well to watch their child go through

0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 2>that moment. Me wanting both of my parents there is

0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.399
<v Speaker 2>because it is one of my biggest moments in my

0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 2>life and I want them to experience that moment with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't go further than that. I just think, who,

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.359
<v Speaker 2>why would I want anyone else next to me? And

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I also don't want to be by myself. But I

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 2>think if you do go down the track of explaining

0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.639
<v Speaker 2>to your parents that you want to go down by yourself.

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 2>My suggestion is to really explain why generally hear them out,

0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.400
<v Speaker 2>but also give them another job. And I don't want

0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 2>to say a job, but something else that makes them

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 2>feel really connected and special within the wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>So I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, just give them something else so they feel

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 2>like it's a big part of their day. They've watched

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you grow up your entire life, and I think sometimes

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.640
<v Speaker 2>we forget how much these moments mean to our parents.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's just a conversation. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to look back at your wedding if you actually have

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the ick, which you've said, I feel a bittcky. I

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.359
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say the ick, but if you do

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.719
<v Speaker 2>deeply feel that, you don't want to look back at

0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.679
<v Speaker 2>your wedding and think back to that moment and have

0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.119
<v Speaker 2>those feelings attached. So just work out how much it

0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 2>is actually putting you off.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I understand. I understand why there would be

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 4>some parents who are sad by this.

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really do.

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<v Speaker 4>And I say this because you know, if Molly was

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.960
<v Speaker 4>getting married and she just turned around and said, like, actually,

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:00.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't want either of you to walk down the aisle.

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.280
<v Speaker 4>I would absolutely respect it that there would be a

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 4>little part of me that would be like, Oh, I

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:08.919
<v Speaker 4>really wanted to do that with you, you know, I

0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 4>really wanted to share that moment with you, not because

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 4>it was making it about me, but because it's something

0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 4>that feels really special that a parent gets to do

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 4>with their kid. And I don't want to make a

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 4>gend at it could be either parent, But there's something

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<v Speaker 4>really I don't know. I think I didn't really really

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.480
<v Speaker 4>think about like how important the wedding would be to

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 4>my parents and what it meant for them. I hadn't

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:30.680
<v Speaker 4>really thought about it at all. But when I put

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.679
<v Speaker 4>myself in that position as a parent and watching my

0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 4>kids get married one day, if they choose to like,

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 4>that's something that's really cool, Like you've made it through

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 4>all this phase of life, They've met someone who they love,

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 4>who hopefully is going to mutually take care of them,

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:45.919
<v Speaker 4>and it would be so nice to be involved in

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<v Speaker 4>that in some way.

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<v Speaker 5>I just wonder if, like for a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that there is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 5>deep seated and I might be projecting a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>of resentment for certain ways that their parents were involved

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<v Speaker 5>in their life.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've felt that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like, a, I don't I just don't

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 3>want to really have that. I don't really want to

0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 3>have that moment.

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 5>And so I would understand if you end up just going, oh,

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:08.840
<v Speaker 5>I just want to walk down by myself, because I

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 5>just don't want to have to deal with the complexity

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 5>of pretending like we're this really close, you know, family,

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 5>when we're not. Like, I just want to enjoy my

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.280
<v Speaker 5>wedding day as my wedding day, even if there's not

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.919
<v Speaker 5>something that's been particularly bad. You don't have to have

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 5>your parents do that, you know, you don't owe them

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 5>that necessarily. And I just think it's more about the

0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 5>authenticity of having that person next to.

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<v Speaker 3>You, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>Like, if you're not close, Yes, that can feel weird,

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.200
<v Speaker 5>and that can feel like you're like, oh, I'm kind

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.119
<v Speaker 5>of pretending like we're all happy families.

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm keeping up for the Jones.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's what I want you to unpack, whether you're

0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 5>going to feel that way, because if you are, I

0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:43.919
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally agree.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, question number two my partner has just left

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 4>for five months to be trained in his soon to

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<v Speaker 4>be career. I was obviously very sad that he was going,

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 4>but proud of him. The week before he left, I

0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 4>noticed that he was acting a little bit strange and

0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 4>constantly texting somebody. I've never had an issue with this before,

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 4>as my partner is so loyal and so loving. When

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.560
<v Speaker 4>I was looking at something on his phone, a girl's

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 4>name popped up, and when I asked him about it,

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.959
<v Speaker 4>he never said her name, just said, it's the guys,

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 4>quote unquote. It was a message from her about said training.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had a look and found messages back and

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 4>forth about how excited they are to see each other

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 4>down at the training.

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<v Speaker 1>Something didn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a conversation about how this made me feel,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was still left feeling weird about it. All

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.880
<v Speaker 4>the day before he left, every time I looked at

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 4>his phone, he was talking to her and flicking his

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 4>screen up, so the messages went away. I asked him

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 4>if he could not be so chatty with this girl,

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<v Speaker 4>and that I didn't like it, as they were about

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 4>to be spending months and months together and having very

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 4>limited communication with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing you might be like in the army or something.

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking it's got to be something army.

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Should I bring this up again with him about how

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.840
<v Speaker 4>it makes me feel and that I would like for

0:24:57.920 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 4>it to end. I want him to make new f

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 4>and focus on his training, but I can't stop thinking

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 4>about this situation. I don't want to be constantly worried

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 4>about this for four to five months.

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Yuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't think this is going to end well,

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I hate I mean it might, I of course it might,

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>but like sorry, no, actually no, he's not being honest

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 2>with you. He's flicking away messages, he's lying about who's messaging,

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and you've seen that he said he's excited to see

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.399
<v Speaker 2>another girl. This isn't a weekend training camp. This is

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 2>like half a years, like five months. I would be

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>so uncomfortable with this, Like you are so valid in

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>feeling uncomfortable about your partner going away with someone who's

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 2>been lying about and he's excited to spend five months.

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 4>With Also, look, this is a time when he should

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 4>be giving you so much reassurance, like you're about to

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 4>go and do long distance. He's pursuing his career goals.

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 4>You're supporting him in that you are going to not

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 4>be able to contact him as much as normal. It

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 4>is crazy to me that this period of time he

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 4>is not putting his time, energy and focus into ensuring

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 4>that your relationship ship is set up in the most

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 4>stable way so that you both feel completely confident going

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 4>into it. He's making an active choice to be so

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 4>available to this person. And the fact that he's not

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 4>being transparent with his phone, the fact that he said

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 4>it's the guys when it's not the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to validate how you're feeling as well. I

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>would be feeling exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem is is I don't have a solution for

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 4>you because I'm not at a point where I'm going

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 4>to say break up with him because it might not

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 4>be the case right Like it might be that everything

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 4>works out to be fine in the five or six

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 4>months when he comes home.

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.479
<v Speaker 2>But I'll also never know what happened there. You've got

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 2>to be okay with that and just trusting him.

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you have to have an immense amount of trust

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 4>that this next few months you were kind of in

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 4>relationship purgatory and you're opting for that purgatory as well.

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's too harsh.

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 4>Your relationship is not going to be able to progress

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 4>at the same rate that it was progressing because right

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 4>now he's prioritizing work goals. I'm not saying that you

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 4>should break up with him. I'm not saying that you

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.479
<v Speaker 4>should not be monogamous or any of those things. But

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.479
<v Speaker 4>I do think you need to assess how insane this

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 4>is going to make you feel over the next couple

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 4>of months, because if this is something that you're not

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 4>going to be able to be okay with, five to

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 4>six months is a really long time to be paranoid, Like,

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 4>it's a really, really, really long time for you to

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 4>live in this state of feeling hyper vigilant, hyper anxious,

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 4>and unsure about what he's doing.

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and obviously, like I you know, I don't have

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>a problem with long distance. I just shire four months

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the last time I saw Ben, Like, there is a

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.959
<v Speaker 2>long time that we would just online. So I'm all

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 2>about it. But that works because I don't have anything

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>any uncomfortable feelings. I trust him, I'm not unsure about it.

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, you've got these off feelings, you think

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>something's not right. This is where it's different. The other

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 2>part is there's nothing that you can do. Like you said,

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to end. Can I tell him I wanted

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 2>to end?

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>You can't.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I can guarantee you if you say that to him,

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>it will push him away, probably push him closer to her,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you put those limits and say you can't

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<v Speaker 2>be friends with his person.

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 4>The thing is he's already gone, and he's at this

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 4>training camp, and he's going to be gone for the

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 4>next four to five months.

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he needs to just have another conversation with

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>him about how you feel, and he needs to Like

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:13.959
<v Speaker 2>you said, Laura, he should have already been doing it,

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>but he needs to be turning up tenfold making you

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>feel so so secure. And if he's not, I would

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>be asking myself if I'm comfortable in that situation, because

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>there is no worse feeling, And I feel like probably

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone listening has been in this situation at some point,

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 2>that sick, anxious feeling that lingers with you constantly when

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 2>you don't trust your partner or something is up, and

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>there is nothing worse for you to spend the next

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>half a year feeling like that, driving yourself crazy. What

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>is he doing hang on. He hasn't message back in

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>this long is he with her? You know he's with her.

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>He's on a training camp with her, like, not necessarily

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>with her, but I mean, you know they're there. They're

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>excited to see each other. They obviously have some sort

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>of a friendship. It could be extremely platonic, which is

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>so fine, but it's the secrecy that it was shrouded

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>in before he left. I barre yeah, not wanting to

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>not saying who it was, not letting.

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 3>You see it.

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>And you're in a really tricky spot now because he's gone.

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I would have pushed the conversation a bit more before

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.760
<v Speaker 2>he left and asked for some transparency, maybe asked to

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 2>see some of the messages because you feel so uncomfortable,

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>ask for some reassurance. But he's gone now, so it's

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>like you have to decide what you're comfortable with.

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And the only other thing I want to add

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 4>to this is I do think you will continue to

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 4>get indications throughout the next couple of months, because you're

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 4>gonna know if he's pulling away in the way he

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 4>communicates with you.

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna know if there's signs that something's not right.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 4>I know you've said that you won't be able to

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 4>communicate as frequently as what you normally do, but that

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean that that communication would be any different than

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.719
<v Speaker 4>what it would be if you know, if it was

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 4>actually to be fair, if you're able to only communicate less,

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 4>he would be giving you more.

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I miss you so much, Oh my god.

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 4>You know like anytime he has the ability to message you,

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 4>he would be taking that chance. And you will be

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 4>able to tell if something has shifted, like you will

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 4>feel it in your bones. You'll have all of the

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 4>red flags, the warning signs, and I just think like

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 4>you've already had red flags. Really be I don't want

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 4>you to be hypervigilant, but I just don't want you

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 4>to discard them when they come along, or if they

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 4>come along. And I guess like, ultimately you're on pause

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 4>for four to five months. You're not going to do

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 4>anything in this timeframe. Focus on yourself, focus on your friendships,

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 4>focus on the things that make you happy outside of

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 4>your relationship, and then make an assessment once he's able

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 4>to be back. I think that that's the only thing

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 4>you can do, because breaking up feels way too drastic

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 4>at this point.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I also wonder how long they've been together, Like I

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>wonder if it's quite new and I don't know and

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>you have you know, you don't have that deep, deep

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>seated trust yet, or I wonder if you've been together

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>five years and you decided to do another career, like,

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 2>because I do think that matters. I think, yeah, I

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>think how well long you've been with someone, if you're

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>living with them, like you're living situation, have you had

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>issues in the past. There's a lot of things that

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 2>come into account when you consider what to do here.

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>And if you're in a very new relationship and this

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>is happening, get out, I'd be considering.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I would be.

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 4>But the thing is with a lot relationship, where it's

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 4>different is that you really notice behavior changes in a

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 4>long term relationship. Like if Matt all of a sudden

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 4>was always on his phone and not showing me who

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 4>he was messaging. I mean that did actually happen at

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 4>the start when he started his podcast with Ash, he.

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Was fucking messaging that man.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 2>And also Ash isn't it's name?

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 4>All hours of the day He'd like get a phone

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 4>call and he'd be so let up, and I'd be like,

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, you're talking to ash Am, I jealous

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 4>of the male podcast host that you have.

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Who's also married with who's also married and has children.

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I think I am.

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 4>But the thing is is, like you notice behavior changes,

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 4>like I noticed that and Matt instantly. Obviously I wasn't

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 4>jealous about it, but like, it's not something that someone

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 4>can hide. When you've been in a long term relationship,

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 4>you see when they're on their phone more.

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's also in a long term relationship, it's easier

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 2>to say, look, I feel uncomfortable. Can you show me

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 2>those messages? And almost everyone would say yes if it

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 2>was fine. It's harder to have that conversation where you've

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>just met someone because you're like, wholl bro, like this

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 2>is my privacy. Like you know, if you're in a

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>very early relationship, you can't just go up to someone

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and say show me your phone, do you know what

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean? It just hits a bit different when it's

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>like super early days.

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 4>I find this next one really quite tricky to answer. Recently,

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 4>we had some questions from a woman who was pregnant

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 4>and her friends weren't showing enough effort and weren't showing

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 4>enough interest in her pregnancy. This is the flip side

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 4>of that. What about for friends who don't have kids?

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 4>For example, my mum friend is now on baby number three,

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 4>which spans over five years, and we've been friends for

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 4>ten plus years. She's been to my house once in

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 4>that time. It's not for lack of trying, but it's

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 4>always on her terms. I understand moms are busy, but

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 4>where do you draw the line and expect your friend

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 4>to put in more effort too. It's always at her

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 4>house or on her terms because that's what works for

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 4>her and for her kids. But is it unrealistic to

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 4>expect them to put in the effort to see you

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 4>and to always spend time together away from kids. General

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 4>thoughts appreciated.

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 2>This is interesting because there is a truth to it.

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't mean it makes you feel good, but it

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>is the hard truth. The hard truth is people with

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>children are very, very busy. Their life is ten times harder.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>They can't just spontaneously say hey, I'm going to pack

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 2>up the three kids and pop over to your house.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work like that. Of course, it's not rocket

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>science to say if you want to catch up, hey,

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>do you want to like if you are child free, hey,

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 2>do you want to just pop over after work or

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>have a drink the kids can play or watch TV.

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Like that is just going to make sense. Always having

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 2>said that, I get it. You are not the priority.

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>You never will be, And that is a really hard truth,

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>but it is.

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>The truth of it.

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Like if you go down the priority line in a

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>friend relationship, especially if you don't have kids, because obviously

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 2>it's easier to meet up with kids as well, they

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>can play at the park or whatever. You notice things

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot more when you don't have children and you

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>hang out with people that do have children. Even if

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you say, hey, I'll meet you at the park and

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>hang out, You're never going to have your friend's full attention.

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>She's making sure don't get hit by a car. She's

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>making sure they're not pushing each over or falling down

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the park or whatever it is. It's like, it is

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>just the way of the world. It is unreasonable to

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>expect your friend to give you a ludicrous amount of attention.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But I want to validate how you're feeling, Like every

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 2>one of my friends almost has children. I've been in

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>that situation and I'm nearly thirty eight years old. So

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it's not like I mean in my twenties, like I've

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>been around it a long time. I have friends that

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 2>have kids that are eighteen, and I have friends that

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 2>have kids that are babies. It sucks because you're never

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 2>going to probably feel that level of love and attention

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.280
<v Speaker 2>from those people in your life. But it is pretty

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>unrealistic to expect them to consistently drop everything.

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I think the thing is, though, she's not asking for

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 1>something that's unrealistic.

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 4>She's saying in five years, her friend who now has

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 4>three children, has been to her house once in that time,

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 4>and that whenever they catch up, it's always on the

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 4>mum's terms. And also it's always at her house, so

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 4>it's always the effort is being It's a one way

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 4>effort that's being made.

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think that I'm thinking of all the

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>people in my life with kids. That's how it is.

0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 4>I look, I think to answer this in a perfect world,

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 4>and I know that there's going to be people who

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 4>hate this answer because I hate this answer.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I hate it.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 4>In a perfect world, I want to say, friendships are

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 4>two way streets and they should be mutual, and your

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 4>friend should have shown up more than once in five

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.240
<v Speaker 4>years to your house. I do think that I genuinely

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 4>do like that to me seems like a totally imbalanced friendship.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 4>I also know that I have friendships like that unfortunately,

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 4>where especially now that I'm pregnant and I've got two

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 4>kids and I'm working, I know that there are friends

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 4>in my life, and I actually reading this, I was like, fuck,

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 4>that could be for one of my friends where they've

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 4>come to my house and it's just because it is

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 4>so much easier for me.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>And I know that that's not fair.

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 4>I know it's absolutely so selfish to think that everybody

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 4>else's lives should bend to what is easier for me

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 4>and for my life.

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't expect that either.

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 4>If if a friend turned around and said, oh, actually

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.399
<v Speaker 4>it's not convenient for me to come to your house,

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:51.879
<v Speaker 4>it's not like.

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm then offended by it.

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 4>But it's just if I have the kids otherwise, if

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 4>it's the problem, is is like otherwise I have to

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 4>organize a babysitter, or I have to get Matt to

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 4>take the kids, which is absolutely fine, he will do

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 4>that sometimes, but that's also me forfeiting the only time

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 4>that I might get time to myself, or I might

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 4>need it to do something else, to go and have

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 4>this friend catch up, and so like a lot of

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 4>organization needs to go into that because I need to

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 4>be like, hey Matt on Saturday, you've got the kids,

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 4>because I'm going to go and have a coffee with

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 4>brit at this time. And people who don't have kids

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 4>can often be a lot more spontaneous with their schedules.

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 4>Like the amount of times that you guys have been like,

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 4>hey Laura, We're at Blackwood, We're having breakfast, and I'm like,

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 4>fucking loll.

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Not sponsored good lie, good luck.

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 4>Me ever being able to get to that, you know, annually. Yeah,

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 4>I know that the dynamics and friendships can become really imbalanced.

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 4>And in no way am I saying that I think

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 4>it's okay. I'm saying I relate to it, that's all.

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 4>And when you think about the difference between a single

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 4>person getting themselves ready to go to a hangout or

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 4>a meetup or a catch up or whatever it is,

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 4>it's like they get themselves dressed, they get in the car,

0:36:58.040 --> 0:36:58.399
<v Speaker 4>they go.

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.280
<v Speaker 1>It's like zer point eight to pin b is so linear.

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 4>A mom has to get herself ready, get the kids ready,

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 4>pack snacks, pack, a drink bottle, pack a fucking change

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 4>of clothes.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have to pack snacks and drink bottle

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 2>for myself.

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 4>But there's it's just there's so many more pieces to

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 4>the process, and I think for a lot of people

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:17.879
<v Speaker 4>who are already overwhelmed, it just then becomes too hard

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 4>and the friendships change, the dynamics change, and it is

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 4>this constant conversation as to why a lot of people

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 4>are not able to sustain friendships when life situations are

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 4>in such different points.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's important that you still try to

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.919
<v Speaker 2>have those catch ups without the kids. And I don't

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>know what that looks like for your friend. It also

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>depends if she has a partner, does she have the

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 2>resources to get a babysitter, Like you've got to think

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>they're paying three hours for someone to come and look

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 2>after the baby. There's a lot going on. But I

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>think there are ways that you can try and have

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 2>that catch up, and maybe you try and like we

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 2>had this conversation last year with Elizabeth Day about saying,

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you have to put in effort with your friendships as

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>an adult, and you have to put it in your diary.

0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.319
<v Speaker 2>So maybe you say to your friend, Hey, I would

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 2>really love to try once a month have a date

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>night with you, like, let's catch up. If you think

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 2>it's an option to leave the kids at home, like,

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>can we do it? If nights are not okay, you

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>can do a lunch or whatever it is. I think

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>if you structure it and make it a plan and

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>you put it in your diary and every four weeks

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you do it, then maybe that is what is best.

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not trying to void your feelings. They are

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 2>completely accurate, but you do have to put yourself in

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 2>other people's shoes sometimes and realize how much harder it

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 2>is for them.

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 4>I totally agree with you, Britt, and I think it's

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:33.720
<v Speaker 4>when a catch up plan is not set in stone

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 4>and it seems like to be spontaneously based around a weekend.

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 4>So for me, when the friendships that I know that

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.359
<v Speaker 4>this is the most dominant in, it's when they've said

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 4>to me, hey, do you want to catch up on Saturday?

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, sure, I can catch up on Saturday.

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 4>No plan was put in place, no structure was put

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.439
<v Speaker 4>in place, and that's fine. For someone who doesn't have kids.

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 4>You don't need plan, you don't need structure, And I

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 4>don't say that to be dismissive. I say that as

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 4>someone who for a long time didn't have kids and

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 4>could easily be like plans on a Saturday. So long

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 4>as I know the general time around, is it daytime

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 4>or night time, I can make that work. The difference

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 4>when you have kids is you need to know the

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 4>when and you need to know the where because you

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 4>need to be organized. So I have an amazing group

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 4>of girlfriends as five of us, and we only do

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 4>dinner catch ups right, like we'll put it in the

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.919
<v Speaker 4>calendar for three weeks time, and we know the date,

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 4>we know the time.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm not coming to that with my kids.

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Like that is absolute me time and it's scheduled and

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 4>it's planned. So I think sometimes with those types of

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 4>friendships we have to be really purposeful, and I don't

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:32.439
<v Speaker 4>think all of.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Our friends offer us that.

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of friends want the flexibility, so

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 4>they're not putting things into schedules or calendars or it

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 4>could be a work friend. So you see them heaps,

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 4>so you're like, oh, we'll do something on the weekend,

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 4>but there's not actually a plan put in place, and

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 4>I know for me that for the friendships who actively

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 4>do that and are happy to put shit in calendars,

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 4>I have one on one time with them. For the

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 4>friends who don't put stuff in calendars, I only see

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.800
<v Speaker 4>them with my kids, and that's because I can't rally

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 4>myself fast enough to be ab to do stuff for

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 4>them and with them where my kids are just not

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 4>a part of it.

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 2>No, Kisha and I sometimes will message each other at

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 2>like five point thirty and be like, Hey.

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 3>It's sad that none of us ever have bad but

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 3>we'll be.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Like, do you want to get dinner at six? Like

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that is the turnaround we have because we don't have lives.

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 3>No, but it's not that you don't have guys.

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is is like responsibility. It you sassaged

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>me that which you do.

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes I always ask you do I never want you

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 5>to feel as though you're not welcome. I never want

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 5>you to see it on social media and be like, oh,

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 5>they could have asked if I wanted to go. But

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 5>it is a balance because I don't want you to

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 5>feel guilt about not being able to come, and I

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 5>also don't want you to be like, yeah, guys, I

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 5>physically could make it, but I've got.

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Better priorities, and those priorities in my family time.

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 4>But also the flip side of that is is like

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 4>there's definitely been times where I can come, but like

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to drag two kids to dinner at

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 4>six o'clock and then and then it changes your experience,

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 4>Like then it turns into like dinner with kids, which

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 4>is annoying for people who just want to catch up

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 4>with their friends, you know, I know, but it's a

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 4>totally intent experience. And like, all I want to say

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 4>is is that I absolutely validate this question because I

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 4>know how unfair it is, and I hate that in

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 4>a lot of my friendships, I'm your friend, Like I

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 4>hate that I'm that person I would have prior to

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 4>having kids said like that's shit. They don't put in

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 4>the effort, Like they're being selfish just because they have children.

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 4>They still need to try as hard. And part of

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 4>me still feels that. But I do know that I

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 4>really struggle with it. I struggle with it so much,

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.279
<v Speaker 4>and I know that there's other moms out there who

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 4>would struggle in the same way. So I don't think

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 4>anyone would look at this question and be happy with

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 4>the outcome that you're experiencing, but I think there'll be

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people that relate to it.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the last thing I want to say is

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 2>where do you draw the line and expect your friend

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to put in effort to I think you draw the

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.439
<v Speaker 2>line when if you have tried to put the once

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 2>a month schedule in the calendar and she still can't

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>show up for that with like so much pre planning

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 2>and thought, then that is where the line can start

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 2>to be drawn. But there's got to be a fair

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of grace to be given here. And you know,

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 2>my maid of honor, my best friend and my whole

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 2>life since five years old, Shannon. She's got kids, she's

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>a teacher, she lives in a different state. But like,

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>we have a friendship that is maintenance, is so low maintenance,

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's reciprocal, like we would be there for each

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 2>other in a heartbeat if we needed it, but we

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.439
<v Speaker 2>get each other's lives. If the message isn't getting hasn't

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 2>gotten back straight away, Like, you have to have grace

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 2>in relationships, and some people their maintenance level doesn't match

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 2>up in a friendship. Some friends are high maintenance. I

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say that in a negative way. But

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 2>some people need more. They need more attention. Their cup

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>is filled by seeing people all the time and other

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 2>friends like I have friends like that. We love each other,

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>but I don't match on the same level of what

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 2>they need.

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 4>I also have one big question to ask, and I

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 4>think that this is probably a question that we could

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:46.359
<v Speaker 4>all ask about friends who have kids, who are in relationships,

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 4>who are juggling like the mother load and everything else.

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 4>And if you feel as though you don't see them enough,

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 4>how supportive is their partner, Like when you guys go

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.959
<v Speaker 4>and have lunch, is she's saying he does fuck all

0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 4>and like I'm doing everything? Because if that's the case,

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 4>if she does doesn't have a supportive partner, you also

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 4>have to factor that into the load that she's currently

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 4>carrying with three children and potentially work or whatever else

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 4>she's doing. Having a supportive partner gives you so much

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 4>more freedom to be a good friend. Having a non

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 4>supportive partner takes all of your autonomy away because everything

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.399
<v Speaker 4>revolves around being one hundred percent clocked into the kids

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 4>because you can't rely on your partner to do it.

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 4>And I know a lot of people experience this like

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 4>where the moms are just so ninety percent weighted towards

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 4>the child care, and so it's so hard for them

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 4>to like organize or to get prepared or to like

0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 4>have free time because their partners are useless, which is shit. Like,

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm not in no way am I. I'm not excusing that.

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 4>It's a whole different conversation, but it's something to have

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 4>a high level of empathy for for sure.

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>All Right, question number four, my boss, let's call her.

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Sally confess to me ten months ago that she has

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 2>had a fling with a married man during a business trip.

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 2>She was convinced that she was in love and even

0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>planned to move to America for him.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>This is at This is a hr absolute situation.

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 4>No, your boundaries, boss, not just with the cheating, but

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 4>why are you telling your staff?

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird.

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 2>It gets worse. This is anyway, Thank god she didn't

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>move to America. That ended, but for the past eight

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 2>months she's been secretly seeing another guy in another state.

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 2>The problem. Sally has two kids and a long term

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 2>partner that we're calling Fred. Fred just thinks she's traveling

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 2>for work, but she's in fact going into state to

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>see this other guy that she's seeing.

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Sally is a hot mess.

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Sally is an naughty woman. In reality, She's been maintaining

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>a whole other relationship. Meanwhile, Freddy's amazing. He's a supportive

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>father who has no idea what's going on. Sally has

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>shared way too many details with me and sworn me

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 2>to secrecy. That is also not fair. That is really shit.

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>But I feel awful. I was cheated on by my

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>ex husband and when I found out, it absolutely crushed

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.600
<v Speaker 2>me so much that all these other people knew and

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>chose to say silent. Now, Sally and Fred these names?

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Where did she pull this from?

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 2>Sally and Fred are now semi separated, but they're still

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:09.839
<v Speaker 2>living together. She plans to tell him this new relationship

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 2>has just started, but I know she's been cheating on

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Fred for over a year. Question do I tell Fred?

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to blow up his life, but I

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 2>would have given anything for someone to have told me.

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 2>What would you do? These aren't their real names.

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 4>What's your take on the anonymous text or the anonymous

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 4>DM slide in?

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I think in this situation?

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 1>In her account? What's your take?

0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it's shit because unless you're going to follow

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 2>through and explain it and give them evidence.

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 1>It's shit.

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 2>You could be anyone that's left a note on a

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 2>car or I don't like that. What I think in

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 2>this situation is this is different because they've already split up,

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>So I guess what is going to come from it.

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Unless he's really actively going above and beyond to try

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and win her back and they're trying to sort it out,

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>might be different. But for now, you said they've split,

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>she's going to tell him she's seen someone else. Anyway,

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know what good's going to come from saying, hey,

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 2>guess what Fred's actually been fucking in for a year. Like,

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 2>if they've already split, I just wonder, like why you

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 2>would go down that hole.

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 4>This has too many complexities and we've answered many cheating

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 4>questions in the past, and I often circle around the

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 4>same thing. I know that you've experienced this and you

0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 4>would have done anything to have received that information. The

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 4>thing is, though, is like you have to assess what

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 4>drama is this going to bring into your life.

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 1>This is your boss, this is your workplace.

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Two massive things that like make this a very unique situation.

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it's very important.

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, you're friends with your boss, Obviously you guys are close,

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.399
<v Speaker 4>but I think it's really important that you lay down

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.720
<v Speaker 4>some boundaries because it's not acceptable conduct that she's telling

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 4>you the intricacies of her personal life.

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.839
<v Speaker 2>I do wonder, though, look at this relationship. I tell

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Keisha way too much.

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, probally, but also, like, imagine if you put Kesha

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:50.799
<v Speaker 4>in a situation where you were telling her that you've

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 4>been cheating on Ben for a.

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Year, Ben, would you I would keep the secret?

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 4>Or me saying that I was cheating on Matt, Like,

0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 4>the ethical issues with that is so shit, Like, I

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 4>just don't understand why the boss chose you to say

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:03.719
<v Speaker 4>that too.

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is possibly the relationship that they have.

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Obviously is there all friends she's friends with also his husband,

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 2>So I'm assuming it is more of an intimate workplace

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that you can still be a boss and a friendship.

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Because we always joke about us here, We always cross

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:19.399
<v Speaker 2>the lines with each We always make the oh my god,

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:22.080
<v Speaker 2>if HR and you, but it's okay because we're also

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>really good friends. So I'm assuming their relationship. Imagine if

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 2>our boss at radio came up and was like, yeah,

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 2>you don't tell anyone I've been cheating on my wife. Yeah,

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 2>I'd probably tell lu do you know what I mean? Like,

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 2>if something like that ever happened where they weren't in

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:37.879
<v Speaker 2>my intimate friend group, I'd be like, you're crossing a line.

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Why are you telling me that? But in our little

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 2>community here. But the thing take it to the ground.

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah see.

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.319
<v Speaker 4>But the problem is is even like n Radero, if

0:47:45.360 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 4>the boss came and told me that he was cheating

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:48.240
<v Speaker 4>on his wife, I'm.

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Not losing my job. I'm not getting involved.

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 4>I know that there's so many people that disagree with me,

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 4>but like, you really are taking on a huge burden

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.160
<v Speaker 4>about someone else's personal life by getting yourself involved in

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 4>a way that could cost you your job, and that

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:01.279
<v Speaker 4>is a huge thing.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's fair.

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.400
<v Speaker 4>You can obviously fight it if that outcome happened, but like,

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 4>it's just such a gray area I wouldn't want to

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:11.880
<v Speaker 4>insert myself into. I think it is probably really important

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 4>to be like, hey, I know that you're going through

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 4>a lot at the moment. I know that there's stuff

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 4>going on between you and Fred and whoever Bobb is

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 4>down the road, But like, I don't want you to

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 4>tell me about it because I don't want to be

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 4>put in this position. You can say that, I think

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 4>we need to take responsibility for the information that we're given.

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:29.200
<v Speaker 4>If we don't want it and we don't want to

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 4>have the burden of what to do with it, you

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 4>don't have to listen to it, and no one's going

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 4>to get angry at you if you say, hey, look.

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I know that this is what you're doing. I don't

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 1>want to hear about it.

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 4>I just I can't because it puts me in a

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:44.239
<v Speaker 4>totally uncomfortable situation. I know you don't want me to

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 4>say anything. I'm not going to say anything of what

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 4>I know so far. Don't tell me anymore because I

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 4>don't want to have to keep your secrets. Yeah, that's okay,

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 4>and I think we need to be better at doing that.

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:55.160
<v Speaker 4>I think sometimes, and I'm not saying that this is you,

0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying in general, sometimes we enjoy the gossip, but

0:48:57.600 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 4>then we've got all the gossip and we don't know

0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.320
<v Speaker 4>what to do with it. We enjoyed getting the story,

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 4>we enjoyed being the closeness of being included in that,

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 4>but then once you've got all the pieces of the puzzle.

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 4>You're like, well, this is a heavy weight. Now what

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm meant to do with this weight? And that's really

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 4>not a situation i'd be putting myself in in a

0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 4>work environment.

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'd still be worried about how saying that to

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:17.840
<v Speaker 5>a boss could be.

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, if I turned around one of you and I

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 3>was like, hey, I know that you've been doing the

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 3>wrong thing.

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to say anything about it, but like,

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:26.240
<v Speaker 5>don't tell me anymore.

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Fine, I'm completely fine. You guys are reasonable.

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I would strap you down to my couch and I

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 2>would make and I'll tell you.

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 4>I actually genuinely think that there's not a bad outcome

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 4>that can come is obviously you're not going to say it,

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 4>and like, tell me more, And I'm going to tell

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:43.719
<v Speaker 4>him give me a pay run. I feel like I'm

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.439
<v Speaker 4>in a really uncomfortable situation and I don't I don't

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 4>want the burden of it.

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't want the burden. Please don't tell me.

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 1>That's okay?

0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the only thing I and like, I want to

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 4>unpack this a little bit more. I know that we

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 4>have in the past said the anonymous text is careless

0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 4>and it is a lot of people, and we've heard

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.160
<v Speaker 4>about it in the past with different you know, someone

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 4>slid into their DMS or someone send a message and like,

0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:08.640
<v Speaker 4>the outcome never is a good outcome because if you're

0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 4>going to play the anonymous part and be like, hey,

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 4>I know that your partner's been doing X, y Z,

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 4>there's no after care to it. There's no like consideration

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 4>to answering the questions that the person has, and it

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 4>makes it really easy for whoever was the cheetah to

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.480
<v Speaker 4>lie and to kind of cover or create a story

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 4>around that. So I guess I already have a lot

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 4>of feelings about it, but I do wonder if there's

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.439
<v Speaker 4>ever an instance where a well thought out Hey, there's

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.320
<v Speaker 4>many reasons why I can't tell you who I am.

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 4>This is the situation. I know that you've separated, and

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.640
<v Speaker 4>I just want you to know this information so that

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:47.520
<v Speaker 4>you don't make a choice without having the full conversation

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 4>about what's happened. Is there ever a place where that

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 4>type of approach might be beneficial.

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, but only if you're going to give so

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:00.799
<v Speaker 2>much detail and evidence that if you know you don't

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 2>want to go and answer any further questions, you need

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to provide them with absolutely everything. And I still don't

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 2>think this is your first protocol. Like, I don't love it.

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember someone did it to me. I think I

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>spoke about it on the podcast when I was with Jordan.

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Towards the end. I remember I got an anonymous message

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram. There was like, hey, just so you know,

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 2>he's seeing this person and he absolutely wasn't, Like I

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>know that. I believe that with every ounce of my being.

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 2>And I wrote back to this person and I said, Okay,

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't to tell me who you are. Do you

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 2>want to tell me how you know this or give

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 2>me anything further. They're like, no, no, I don't know.

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't possibly, but I know. And I was like,

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 2>and I went and spoke to Jordan about it, and

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, like we didn't have any trust issues in

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.880
<v Speaker 2>our relationship ever, so there wasn't anything preceding this message.

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I took it with a grain of salt. But this

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 2>is the problem, right, if you are not that comfortable

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 2>in your relationship, you don't and there's no proof people

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 2>can just be blowing up things left, right and center.

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:57.839
<v Speaker 4>But also I think that usually comes in, and I

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 4>agree with the detailed aspect that usually comes with the

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.960
<v Speaker 4>people who write messages like your husband's cheating.

0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>On you, your.

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 4>Partner's cheating on you. Leave a note in a car

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 4>like that is not going to do anything. That's not

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.440
<v Speaker 4>going to shift the dial. Like if you are going

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 4>to go down the route of sending the anonymous message,

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 4>you send it all. You send everything exactly as you said.

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 4>But the problem is is you've got to know that

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.920
<v Speaker 4>sending that information to someone and not being able to

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 4>be there to be like, are you okay? You have

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 4>no idea what state you're leaving that person in. You

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 4>have absolutely no idea of what mental state they are

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 4>in when they're receiving that information, and you have no

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 4>idea of what mental state they're in when they have

0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:37.399
<v Speaker 4>finished reading it. And I think both of those things

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.359
<v Speaker 4>are critically important because you just don't know how someone

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 4>would respond to their entire life being blown the fuck up.

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not going to be well, you don't have

0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the details. They're not responding. Well, at the end of

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the day, they're already broken up. It's your boss.

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>At least just leave it. Leave it.

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 4>Let dead dogs lie, Okay, maybe we do a poll

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.160
<v Speaker 4>on that, because I feel as though some people who

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.760
<v Speaker 4>have been cheated on would do anything to know the truth.

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.680
<v Speaker 4>So therefore that like sways the opinion on it.

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I might feel different if they were still together and

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 2>they had kids and they were working on I might

0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>feel different. But they've split and she's going to tell

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 2>him she's with someone anyway. So I feel like now

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:13.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know. I'm just like it's causing

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:15.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of unnecessary.

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Issues, And yeah, I agree, And to be honest, like,

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 4>I say this from the perspective of someone who has

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 4>been cheated on, and I understand the reasons why the

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 4>people who didn't tell me didn't tell me.

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I understand.

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.399
<v Speaker 4>I don't hold resentment for them, and I know that

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:31.320
<v Speaker 4>that's not the case for everyone. But I don't expect

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 4>them to have taken on the burden and the drama

0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:36.640
<v Speaker 4>of what my ex boyfriend was doing, do you know

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:36.880
<v Speaker 4>what I mean?

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't even expect that of them.

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I also forgot to even mention this. I've been in

0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 2>that situation where we broke up, like the person was

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 2>cheating on me. I didn't know they're cheating at the

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:46.960
<v Speaker 2>time we broke up, found out they cheated on me, whatever,

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:51.439
<v Speaker 2>moved on. I had received messages six months down the track,

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>a year down the track from people saying, hey, just

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 2>want to let you know, like this happened, he was

0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:59.480
<v Speaker 2>cheating on you. And I remember being like, why the fuck?

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:00.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've broken up.

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Why are you bringing this back to my fourth Like

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 2>my forethought, why are you making me revisit that? Like

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:10.359
<v Speaker 2>it's done, we're not together. It doesn't change the rest

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 2>of my life, you know, it makes it worse, it

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't add to it. And I think if they've already

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:16.480
<v Speaker 2>split up, it's just not adding anything.

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree. I had the exact same thing happened.

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, remember looking at the message being like, why the fuck?

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Why what are you getting from this?

0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Like thank you, you're such a good giant.

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 3>I was just like I already know.

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't know he was also doing it with you.

0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Goddamn thanks for being another one.

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 2>There were ones I didn't know about, but it didn't

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>It just didn't change anything for me.

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, but you also are not surprised.

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 4>You kind of get those messages and you're like, yeah, whatever, I.

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Was like, cool, we're broken up.

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh I did the group chat.

0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Literally anyway, all right, guys, well that's it from us.

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 4>If you have a question for asking cart, slide into

0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 4>the DMS send us your saucy, deep dark questions. I

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:56.799
<v Speaker 4>feel like these ones were all very level. We need

0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.399
<v Speaker 4>some fucking insane ones. I'm looking forward to them.

0:54:59.440 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 2>We know you're out.

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 3>We do.

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Like I've said it before, like the like the stepdad

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:05.759
<v Speaker 4>who not the stepdad, the father in law who was

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 4>sniffing the dildo.

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 1>That's what we need. We need that sort of stuff.

0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:11.400
<v Speaker 2>We hope that's not happening, but if it is, get.

0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:13.439
<v Speaker 1>Off your chest.

0:55:13.520 --> 0:55:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Guys.

0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 4>Wait you then slide into the DMS at Life un

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 4>Cup podcast. You can also watch it all on YouTube.

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 4>We have a great YouTube channel, and you know the.

0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Drill mum you do, tell you dot t your friends

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:24.560
<v Speaker 2>and share the

0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:28.719
<v Speaker 4>Love because we love love all my own I love,

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 4>I love love