WEBVTT - 🎙️ Travis Cloke - Collingwood's Colossus 🏈 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.080 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Mason Cox Show. Today. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.000 We've got a special guest, a very good friend of 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.280 mine who I'm excited and I'm sure he's a bit 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.600 nervous to be into this, this fan on the podcast, 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.240 but we'll go through his resume. He's got Dancing with 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.680 the Stars contestant. I know there is the highlight of 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.880 your career, mates, but there is other things to do 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:24.759 with foot eat a two time All Australian calling which 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.120 best best first year player in twousand and five, calling 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.120 with leading goal scorer on four occasions, calling best in 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.480 the first two thousand and seven, twenty ten permiship player 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.760 and the big one. I know you're super proud of 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.400 the twenty eleven Nab Cup champion. It's a really good 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.080 resume and I'm excited to have you on the podcast. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.120 So off, so welcome Trav Cloak. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.599 Thanks mate. Fun fact three grand finals we played in 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.240 in six months. Yes, there was a win, a lose 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.040 and obviously another winner the NAB Cup. So there's only 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.520 like ten of us to do it. Mate. It's pride 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.200 and enjoying in my cover with a NAB Cup Premiership medallion. Yeah, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.160 it's one one to always get who's still hanging on 0:00:58.200 --> 0:00:59.600 to that? Actually don't know where it is. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.400 Yeah you got medallions? 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.040 Wow did you ever? Because I know back in the day, 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:05.840 if you kicked on like beyond fifty or something, you 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.360 got to like donate. Yeah, you have to donate like 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:09.320 a grand to your local. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.360 Food, local footy club. Very thankful mate, because I can't 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.720 kick inside fifty es ied to kick them outside and 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.160 they made some good calls. How much money did you 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.280 make for me? Again? Enough? 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.840 Enough enough, they've got plenty of football's there. Well, man, 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.400 we'll get into it. I'm going to start it with 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.240 something and we'll get into the football career. But in 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.960 March of twenty twenty, your career was really a crossroads 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.319 and dancing with the stars Judge Craig made it official. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.360 Craig Craig made official by saying, I think both couples 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.319 are absolutely terrible for different reasons. I have to pick 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.040 the best one I think out of them. For me, yes, 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.480 Damie awful to be in with, but you tried to 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.800 collect yourself. I think hard choreography lads with the woman 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.880 in particular sense. For that reason, I'm voting DAMMI in Shae, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.120 which meant see you later, trave It was a sad moment, mate, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.160 But how was that feeling? I've been I've been shocked 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.680 down a few times. I'm nationaltle TV. No, but. 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.200 Gee, that was so much fun dance with stars. If 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.800 you ever get an opportunity to do a reality TV 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:01.960 maybe not do dancing because I don't think you could 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:02.960 dance either. What would you say? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.680 I should do S A S. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.400 That's up on my to do list. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:07.680 I reckon you'd be really good at it. That. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.919 Yeah, I need time. I don't have time and family, man, 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.320 kids working. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.400 We have Matt Preston's gone on to he was on 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.200 the podcast and he's going on Dancing with the Stardes 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:17.040 this week. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.359 He's got rhythm though, he can move. Yeah. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.480 Did you have no no rhythm feet? 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.040 Mate? I am useless. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.800 Oh gosh it it was like five hours a day training. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:27.560 I remember you told me. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.600 Working at the club doing development. I was the only 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.760 one on the show'd have a full time job. And 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.400 I'm dancing full time, not a full time job. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:36.960 Well, he. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.400 Took the piece out of people, all right, that's what 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.519 he does. By Ryan was too busy travel around the 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.120 world for filming his show as well. So we had 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.560 good fun on set. Don't keep me wrong, But Eddie's 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.480 one of the funniest guys I've met. And he does 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.919 not work. No, it doesn't worry. He's like doing this. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.440 This is his job. This is not a job, man. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:55.919 This is fun. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.760 This is good fun. Yeah, this is good fun. We'll 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:58.200 get into it. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:58.560 Mate. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.080 There's a lot to have. You've done a lot in 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.959 your career. It's not only yourself. Your family's got a 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.880 lot of history. And I'll talk to a few people 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.120 down the road. You know, You've had a few people 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.120 I know over the years that we have mutual friends 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.840 of and one person I want their names. But he 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:16.040 told me about a work experience. Was the first real 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:20.160 time you'd met you and you're doing equipment management with Disco. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.600 Yes, I was like a young fourteen and fifteen year 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.000 old young part mate. Tell you he told me you 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.359 did fuck off. He said, I don't know who you 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.680 got it from. So I worked with Neil Bam right arm. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.480 He was a footy operator inspect human. Yeah, great guy 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.960 and I still love him. But he used to tell 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.920 me is like it's it's lunch trap and I was like, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.800 it's nine point thirty. Mate. He's like, now you're on 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.600 lunch break, off you go and this is where a 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.760 big park the time, I'm like this fourteen fifteen year 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.480 old kid in Colleen. We're going. Where do I go? 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.160 What I do? I used to just walk to the 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:48.840 fish and ship shop and sit there for three or 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.520 four hours and wander back again training would start to 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.120 go kick footie with the boys. And that was my 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:54.240 work experience for two weeks. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.480 So do you hate much? 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.320 Yeah? Five bucks a day, five bucks a day? Yeah, 0:03:58.600 --> 0:03:59.920 I think it worked out right. That gave me a 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.040 contracting to your time. But yeah, I did not think 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.840 Rowan Bounds was working at the club. So's to hang 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.400 out with him. He's given you all the inside. Not 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.640 much has changed, to be honest, Like, let's be honest. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.960 I don't work too much. I worked just to survive 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:15.600 and that's about it. 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.000 Now, well, there's a lot we'll go into that side 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.960 of it because you are working. We're at Essenon Football 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.400 Club right now, which is kind of Yeah, it's very 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.760 interesting to be in there. A parking light that we'll 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.359 go back to. I want to ask you what your 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.080 favorite football memory is because we'll go into the full 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.640 kind of career and everything else. But I want to 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.279 just start this off with one of your favorites. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.279 You can't go past obvious. Your premiership, like that's a 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.880 good one, but sentimental, Like I did play one game 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.719 with both my brothers, so that was pretty nice to 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.360 have for Mum and dad, like for them to see 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.000 the three of us running out, like that's good, but 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.039 premiership is still better. Let's be honest. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.040 Your mom's the most lovely human too, by the way, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.120 shout out to mothers on Mother's Day last week. But 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.360 I sat next to your mom at a football game 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.560 maybe a few years ago, I think, and she was 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.720 you're off for a game. I really got worried. She 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.599 was so loving. She was give me financial advice, just 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:07.680 tell me to buy houses. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.880 She came on the other week. She must have seen 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.600 you somewhere. She's like, Todd Mas to buy a house. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.200 I'm like, Mum, he's doing his own thing. He's old 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.960 enough to make his own right and wrong choices. She's 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.480 a good lady. She means well. She's got a heart 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.479 of gold. Now she's the full time babysit of mate, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.280 so she's trying to look after you as well. That's it. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.040 She's got a third kid. She didn't even more. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.280 I'm not forcing him on to five. You're the six mate, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.320 You're jump in line. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.880 We're going to your dad. David Cloke played for seventeen years, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.440 two premierships of Richmond, and I've got to ask the 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.080 question because he played for Richmond and Collingwood. Obviously you your 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.400 brothers are played for Colinwood. Why is the reason that 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.520 you chose Collingwood as a family over at Richmond. The 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:47.320 team was success. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.520 We don't have time for that. But dad played two 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.239 hundred for two plus for Richmond, one hundred and twenty 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.240 for colling So technically, on the on the numbers like 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.560 we should have favored Richmond, but for some reason we 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.159 all end up at the Pies. The reason I went 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.000 to Colin was they were transitioning from Big Park to 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.520 the Holden Center at the time. Richmond we shit out like, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:06.919 let's be able to sell their bottom of the ladder. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.479 Collingwood kind of on the rise, so it made a 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.960 bit more sense, even though Richmond actually offered more financially 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.440 benefit to go there, like apartment's houses, that type of stuff. 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.080 But I thought the fun of playing with me brothers 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.159 was more important at the time. Maybe looking back now, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.600 financially it would have been better, but footy did a 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.719 right for me. So I'm still happy, mate. And I was. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.160 So you were seventeen when we started playing, which is 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:34.239 kind of like wild idea. Yeah, you were still year twelve. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.919 And then like if you're seventeen where you played Anzac 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.160 Day in your first gat, you. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.159 Have to turn eighteen by round one. So I was 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.760 March fifth, I was eighteen. You were right on the 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:44.920 cuss and then I played an Zac Day twenty fifth 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.080 of April. So what I'm eighteen and five weeks before 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:49.560 I played my first game of foot year. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.640 The debut game. Both debuted Anzac Day. How's the feeling Well? 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.440 I had blonde hair, mate, Yeah, like the Red Birds 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.560 blonde hair. I think even more. My socks up because 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.240 Mick did the minute silence and the bounce goes, and 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.440 Mix sent a message like pull your socks up, look 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.919 like a football, and I was like, what he's watching me? 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.040 So I whacked your socks up and for the first 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.520 twenty minutes of socks are up, then all of a 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.040 sudden they're down again. Around my ankle, so. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.560 Did every player. I have to have the socks up. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.680 Well, mixed mentality was like look like a football, to 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.520 play like a football, like fake it? Do you make it? 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.840 And people make fun of me for socks up now, Yeah, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:22.560 but you're a rock. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.400 Meet you wear shing guards, so it's you're a weird 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.920 character anyway. So I didn't wear shin guards, mate. I'm 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.880 reready big enough and thick enough. I don't need to 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.040 look look thicker by wearing socks. Yeah, that was mixed mentality. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.560 So that was the number one thing you took out 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:36.840 of that day is Mick telling you to pull your 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.040 socks up. So I was petrified ever wear them down again. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:41.440 But after a while I let me wear them down. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.080 So seventy thousand Anzac day debut, the one thing that 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.120 comes out of is pull your damn socks up trap. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.600 And then I think that was on a Wednesday or 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:49.800 a Thursday that year, and I have to go to 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:50.520 school the next day. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.080 That is insane. So you surely come back and you're 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.080 just king of the class. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.400 No, not really, Like I'd been at school since I 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.360 was like year seven. People knew me by the middle 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:00.600 of the year or the end of the year, like 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.640 I had enough of school, so sometimes I'd roll in 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.600 all use, excuse, I've got training. I can't make it 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.840 the class. But I manipulated my way through year twelve. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:09.320 Put it that way. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:10.920 Yeah, ok, yeah, yeah that was me in my last 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.840 year of college. We go through is there's some stories 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.200 about you getting drafted, right, and there's there's rumors that 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.400 they drafted your brothers. Your brother's are good players too, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.520 but someone told me they mainly draft of your brothers 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.240 to try to get to you. I don't know if 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.160 I four had them simplive that. It's a bit of 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:26.640 a pop up. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.800 It is a big bow, don't get me wrong, but hey, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.800 who knows, maybe pop Cavia Jason the way through. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.679 But now both you are right. Is there any stories 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.000 from you getting recruited? We talk about Eddie and Derek 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.240 Hines at the club. There was apparently a horse involved 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.240 at some point. You give us a little insight. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:43.120 Sounds like a really weird king porn a horse like 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.400 your house, Like, what's going on? Yeah, we're sitting around 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.439 kitchen table a little bit like this's be a bit bigger, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.600 not the fan, but sliding door, a little pony nugget. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.960 He just like nudges the door open his nose if 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.560 he goes wander is inside just click clip clip reach 0:08:56.600 --> 0:09:00.440 it out in these in the living room. Yeah, I 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.280 think it was Eddy, Army might have been there, Dairy 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.840 Kine and maybe Mick. I don't know Mick was there 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.480 or not, but yeah, like the powers to be of 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.120 the footy club back then, sitting there Mum and Dad, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.520 I think my brothers might have been around and like sisters. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.040 And all of a sudden this horse like walks through 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.600 like fifteen meters through the kitchen into the living room, 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.040 reaches up to the table, grabs at apple and then 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.400 just wander us back outside again. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:21.960 Surely people looking around like. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.000 Yeah, I was looking around like is this a dog? 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:27.719 Is it a horse? Like? What is it? Because he's 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.360 only like labrador high. He's still kicking around at mom 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.959 and Dad's house. Actually he's still you're still telling that 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.199 story to all the different horses. Don't get me wrong, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.200 it's grown some legs as story like everything else in life, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.400 a bit like the smoking shadows. But it's it's an 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.280 urban myth. Now, it's a great one, and you know what, 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.400 it'll never be like topped. I guess is the best 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:48.880 way to put it. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.920 Yeah, I'll say that she said the smoking shadows. And 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.520 I talked to lock folks and he said one of 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.840 the greatest quotes he heard from you was you can't 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.800 lead a horse to water. You could lead a horse 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.720 to water, you can make a drink. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.120 What's the point of getting these analogies right? Like, that's 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.520 the old skill, mate, You've got to come up with 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:07.200 your own ones. It's modern times. Mate. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.480 Like if I someone that's going to tell you if 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:10.920 I could lead a horse or order, and it's going 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:11.720 to be your I. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.440 Can tell you can lead them to water and you 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.360 can make him drink. I've done both of them. Sometimes 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.200 that rich you is. But you can just like, come on, mate, 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.800 we little splash in the face and up you go. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.000 Oh that's so good. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.120 Now, well we all get into the farm and the 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.320 life that you're living now. But I want to ask you, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.600 playing alongside your brother is a colon, how was that 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.640 year you're talking about being one of the best kind 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:30.959 of experiences in AFL. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.480 I was twenty when they delisted both brothers. So when 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.600 we won my best at first when I was twenty, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.040 I think I'm like the fourth or fifth youngest player. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.960 I thinks actually might knock me back a couple of 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.839 pegs this year, you might win his first one. But yeah, 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.000 I learned that year. It was like, it's a business. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.000 It's not just a hobby anymore playing footy. So I 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.080 got told like, hey, by the way, your brothers are delisted, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.440 can you tell them? You had to tell your brother Well, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.120 it was a message they ended up telling them. But 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.000 I found out and I was just like, this is 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.040 something I'm not saying. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.720 You knew before they knew. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.079 I did because my meeting was like a couple before 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.520 them on the exit day. So and then that afternoon 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.280 I found out to win the best in ferraor so 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:06.719 at the age of twenty, I was like, oh, it's 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.600 the business, not only just a hobby anymore. But at 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.280 the same time, I had what three years with both 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.640 of them to be blank and obvious. Mate. I took 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.760 Cam spot like by coming to the club. So that's 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.600 what it was, to be honest with a better foward 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.280 than him. So that's why he was a RK on forward. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.319 But we took that. But yeah, it was good fun. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.319 Like Cam used to drive me to training for the 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.240 first twelve months, or because I only had my license 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.560 for a while, so that was good. But Cam Jason 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.880 I were thick as these were still we're obviously brothers, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:37.000 but we're best mates. It was fun because you always 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.960 had someone to d have you back, I guess at 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.000 the footy club. Footy clubs are amazing places, different things 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:43.959 happening and stuff. To have your two brothers by his side. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.200 We were at lockers thirty two, thirty three to thirty four, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.640 so oh really we could always steal each other shit. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:50.920 Dad always did our washing, so if you brought the 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.480 wrong shit, just handed over to your brother and go, 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.560 this is your your training top or shorts or whatever. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.520 So that made it easy, though it was rumory. Pipes 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.680 came in and gave us spray to I think Cameron. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.440 I think I got in trouble for missing something and 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:02.959 your dad came in gave us spray to some of 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:03.840 the Collingwood staff. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.880 No, no, Cam or Dad. I got in trouble for 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.000 taking someone's parking sport one day, but that was a different. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:15.600 Storyties, wouldn't it CEO's parking spot just decided to right mate, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.160 I'm like, I need ten minutes to part the truck somewhere. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.640 I'm taking your spot. I leave your keys with your receptionist. 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.920 I got to check to Foxy Foxy on the City. 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.400 I've got to pick some shoes up, mate, I'll be 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.000 back in an hour. I also their started. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.520 I've done that many at times, late at night after 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:29.360 games or something like that. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.880 But the CEO is like out the back. No, no, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.880 like two o'clock afternoon, like real power move. This is 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.000 Travis's car. I just you couldn't miss. It's a big 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.079 black truck as well, so they couldn't. I just say, oh, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.120 this is Coxy's car. Parts here, I've got the same car. No, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:43.959 that was a bit different. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.720 But there's a few stories, mate, Like, let's be honest, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.240 I was a walking billboard for what twelve years? Oh 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.160 my gosh, I made the footy. I made footy fun. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.440 Yeah you did more than that. Yeah, you made entertaining 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.200 for a lot of people. And we'll go through a 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:57.240 lot of it. But I want to ask you this, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.280 what was your welcome to AFL moment? I know you 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.600 played your first game Anzac Day whatnot, But. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.760 Oh you just big crowds. I guess you pull the 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.040 cling with John Bryan, Like, I think I played on 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.920 an average of sixty thousand people and week to week, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.160 so that's pretty cool. But as a kid like growing 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.720 up in footage like dad played, my brother's played, My 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.800 uncle's actually an AFL umpire, my mum's father, so my 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.880 pa was on the board at Richmond, so footage for 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.439 the family. So for me to pull on an AFL 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:26.760 jumper to be a part of it as well was 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.199 nice tradition. And then now like I'm a thirty six 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.200 year old washed up has been football now with a 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.040 two year old son and a five year old daughter, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.960 Like now, my journey is to pass the knowledge onto 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.360 them and also working pathways, Like part of my role 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.840 now is to build a better program for women's football. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.200 So when my daughter gets to the other age, if 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.000 she wants to play football, there's a there's a great 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:48.280 industry for her to be a part of it. So 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.520 I'm going full circle and I'm enjoying it more now 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.320 than I over did as a player. What's the biggest 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.320 thing you learned from your family? Ah, They're always got 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.400 your back, that's for sure. Blood's thick them and water. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.280 But at the same time, you have your and down. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.120 Do you have your times where family shitcher times you 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.079 don't want to talk to them, but when the times 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.200 are bad or of grief, you always fall back to them, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.959 no matter how good or bad it is. And I 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.440 guess that's what it was like when I was had 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.880 my fallout of football, Like when I actually moved on 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.160 from the Pies in sixteen, that were the first people 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.880 I called and said, I need change, I need to 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.520 move or I'm just quitting today. So it was nice 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.080 to have on there in my corner when I need it. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.200 And it was the same twelve months down when I 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.480 actually finally I've made that decision, like I'm done with footy. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.560 It's not getting better for me, I'm not enjoying it. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.560 I'm out the door, and they were there, you know what, 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.240 fine there to support you. So it worked in good. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.280 I'm glad I did what I did. My relationships got 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.600 better with my coaches, my players, the staff at both 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.720 clubs because they respected my decision. Because of it, I 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.960 was open and transparent with with micking Bucks into sixteen 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.680 the whole way through the year. They knew where I 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.640 stood and where I was at, so it was enjoyable 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.200 process for the last eight months of my footy career. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:54.840 We'll go through it a little bit more in death, 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.480 but I want to ask some stuff that happened before then, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.960 Like I feel like you were one of those players 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:03.240 loved loved a big game, Anzac days your Carlton's. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.000 Yeah, I love big games. Crowd hated me, so it 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:05.800 was always more fun. 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.720 What's the best game you've enjoyed as far as atmosphere. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.720 Day's the best? No better day on the calendar is 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.400 Anzac Day. Like you, you're there because it's fun, passion, 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.560 the support of what we stand for. An Anzac Day, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.960 it's the best. And I guess the leader Mick. Mick 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.680 was a motivator. He taught your history about what it 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.600 was about. Bucks was a was an educator, so the 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.320 vice versa and different personalities and loved them for different reasons. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.400 But A day's the best game of footage. Now it's 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.920 pretty much the only game of footy I watch live. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.000 Now you go to the game every year. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.680 I don't go. When I say watch live, I watch 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:43.720 it on TV. Yeah, the home. But it's it's a 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.760 game that I enjoy like even not to even like now, Yeah, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.920