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Speaker 1: Thrilling podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Now this is the IOKDA podcast. If you haven't heard

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Speaker 2: them already, you'll see some links here as well for

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Speaker 2: our exclusive chat.

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Speaker 3: With exclusive chats that we're talking to Hugh Jackman.

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Speaker 2: We're not talking to his best mate Gus Warren, so

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Speaker 2: you'll see you'll see that chat. Gus is honestly one

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Speaker 2: of the best people you hear talk about mental health,

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Speaker 2: particularly with dudes as well.

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Speaker 3: I know the guys.

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Speaker 2: Talking to them about their feelings and emotions is like

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Speaker 2: drawing blood from a stone. So if you're someone that

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Speaker 2: lives with a guy, works with a guy, married to

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Speaker 3: That might be a really good listen. So go and

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Speaker 3: have a listen to that.

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Speaker 4: He actually drew some blood from me, and I can

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Speaker 4: be that stone. You can be actually struggles to draw. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you've taken the metaphor too far.

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Speaker 2: But you guys we're talking about on this chat though,

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Speaker 2: we've always wanted to know what happens when your call lifeline.

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Speaker 2: You've been saying the number thirteen eleven fourteen for ten

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Speaker 2: years on radio without either of us ever having called it.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone knows what the number is. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: most people have never called it. This is one of

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Speaker 2: the most interesting chats I reckon we've had in terms

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Speaker 2: really quickly because Rachel's amazing from Lifeline that most people

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Speaker 2: call just because they need someone to chat to, and it's.

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Speaker 3: An incredible service.

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Speaker 2: Keep it here, and yeah, share this with anyone that

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Speaker 2: you think could do with a listen here because it's

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Speaker 2: really good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely stay says everyone. See you guys, stay safe, say

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Speaker 4: stay Stay Stay If you are Stacy stayed stay that way.

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Speaker 4: Ah right, stay Glassy. See tomorrow podcasting.

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Speaker 3: Now it's are You Okay Day?

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Speaker 2: And it's a topic very close to our hearts here

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Speaker 2: on Will and Wardy, largely because I have depression and

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Speaker 2: something we've got to deal with on this radio show

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Speaker 2: a lot. And also when you think about it, are

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Speaker 2: You ok Day is about the most outrageously simple, but

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Speaker 2: the most normal way to stop the deadliest health problem

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Speaker 2: on the planet. It's a crazy concept. We're all about

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Speaker 2: it here on Will and Would. You have got some

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Speaker 2: wonderful guests to both inform and inspire you this are you?

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Speaker 5: Ok day?

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Speaker 1: Who and where?

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Speaker 2: Is fine?

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Speaker 1: But he does care?

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Speaker 4: What else?

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, listen, listen, Hey, it scared swelling money Thursday.

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Speaker 1: What's how I am?

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty good. Well you're okay? I am okay, Thank

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Speaker 4: you for asking. I'm just really excited about the show

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Speaker 4: we've got today. We have got some phenomenal guests, guests

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Speaker 4: couple of hours. I mean, Ali Langdon's going to kick

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Speaker 4: Karl Stefanovic. We're gonna be joined by Gus Walland as well.

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Speaker 4: I love Gus love when he comes on this show.

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Speaker 4: And this is the big one for me. This is

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Speaker 4: a bit different. You and I always spoke the number

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Speaker 4: for Lifeline. You thirteen eleven fourteen yea for anyone who

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of that is behind the

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Speaker 3: And so Rachel bo is going to come on from Lifeline.

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Speaker 2: She's in charge of I think, critical response at Lifeline,

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Speaker 4: Do you have a rash?

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Speaker 4: You get heat rashes. And I know this because you

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Speaker 3: Jill's going to join us a little bit later on.

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Speaker 2: If you're missing anything from Today and you're thinking, gee,

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Speaker 2: Whizzy sounds like great chats. Get your pot, get the

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Speaker 2: willam Woody podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts, just search

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Speaker 2: Will and Woody. They are really informative and inspirational conversations

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Speaker 2: with wonderful people who are going to make today's show

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Speaker 2: really special and I hopefully make a bit of a difference.

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Speaker 2: Alli Langdon's going to join us to kick it off.

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Speaker 2: She's live and coming to join the boys. Today's show

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Speaker 2: is ages ago, she'll be fresh.

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Speaker 1: As podcasting now it is.

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Speaker 3: Are you okay?

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Speaker 2: To all across Australia Today a chance to get in

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Speaker 2: touch with the people around you and check in with them.

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Speaker 3: You can save their life just by having a chat.

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Speaker 2: And one person who knows more about that than I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna say most other people is Allie Langdon, obviously the

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Speaker 2: co host and the Today Show with Carl Stephanovic.

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Speaker 3: Ellie, thank you so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 6: Nice to talk to you guys. You know what my

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Speaker 6: first question is going to be to you? Are you okay?

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Speaker 4: And we are okay now that you're on the show. Alie, nice, smooth,

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Speaker 2: Now, Allie, Allie, the reason I said this is closer

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Speaker 2: Can you talk how clotes you were with him and

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean this is going back about eleven years

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Speaker 2: That make so Ali So Gav, who originally had the

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Speaker 4: Why and that is helping so many people, Ali, actually

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Speaker 4: I do want to talk to you about some struggles

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Speaker 1: To know that podcasting.

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Speaker 6: You said it right.

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Speaker 4: Well said, Ali, been an absolute treat having you on

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Speaker 3: I would. It's something I've never called before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people who think I don't want to block a

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Speaker 2: Called doesn't surprise me at all, does not surprise me

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Speaker 2: Now, we were just saying we mentioned the Lifeline number

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Speaker 4: Now, Rachel, after someone has called Lifeline, what's the next

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Speaker 7: Well, what part of what will happen on the Lifeline

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Speaker 6: That I need to do?

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Speaker 7: But then there'll also be some discussion about long term,

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Speaker 7: kind of appeared through as the cause progress, that they

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Speaker 7: have a particular concern that they could get some longer

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Speaker 7: term or more specific help with, you know, and that

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Speaker 7: might be domestic violence issue, or drug and alcohol or

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Speaker 7: quite and to the mental health problems that needs some actual,

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Speaker 7: more professional treatment, then we definitely help you navigate to

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Speaker 7: those next steps and to find the right services for you.

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Speaker 3: You listened a whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 2: They're like amazing, just to hear the full gambit of

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Speaker 2: everything you guys do with like you drugging, alcohol, sexual abuse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like again, this is we're trying to no boundaries.

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Speaker 7: So why people call us? Which is both the great

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Speaker 7: thing about We don't say call us, we say callers.

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Speaker 2: For whatever you like, you can call it guys, I've

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Speaker 2: run out of peanut butter in my pantry this morning,

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 7: We probably would have volunteered to come and drop them off, though.

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Speaker 3: That's a dire situation.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of those situations though, and I mean just again

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Speaker 2: that the whole point of this chat is just trying

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Speaker 2: to familiarize people with what the services and hopefully then

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Speaker 2: make them feel better about calling. What's the most common

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Speaker 2: reason that people would call Lifeline?

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Speaker 7: Do you know a huge amount of the people who

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Speaker 7: call us are lonely, There's lots of other things going

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Speaker 7: on in their life, but quite often loneliness is a

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Speaker 7: big component of that, and sometimes it's not over loneliness.

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Speaker 7: Some people can be very social and feel like they

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Speaker 7: have a big circle, but what they are missing is

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Speaker 7: that connection, that person that they feel that they trust,

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Speaker 7: that they can talk about the things that are not

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Speaker 7: fun or exciting. And I think that, for me is

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Speaker 7: one of the things that never fails to be surprising

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Speaker 7: is how many people in a very asy and connected

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Speaker 7: world are actually missing a significant connection. We got a

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Speaker 7: lot of calls from people who are experiencing some degree

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Speaker 7: or another of a mental health problem. Whether that's something

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Speaker 7: that's been diagnosed and is long term and chronic, it.

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Speaker 2: Could be it could be any a number of any

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Speaker 2: number of those things, but hopefully I mean even just

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Speaker 2: in your first answer, there people calling out and saying

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Speaker 2: they're lonely, Like, that's totally okay to call Lifeline and

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Speaker 2: tell them that you're lonely. If you've got no one

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Speaker 2: else to talk to on AOKDA and feel like you

485
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Speaker 2: need a response, thirteen eleven fourteen is your answer. You

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Speaker 2: can even text Lifeline between six pm and midnight four

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Speaker 2: double seven thirteen eleven fourteen. If it's a bit confronting,

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Speaker 2: to have to hear somebody else's voice. But if they're

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Speaker 2: as lovely as Rachel is, and as understanding and as knowledgeable,

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Speaker 2: then you guys are in bloody good hands. And as

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Speaker 2: I said at the start of this chat, the fact

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Speaker 2: that you can call a service for free to talk

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Speaker 2: about this sort of thing in this country is wild, guys,

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Speaker 2: and you should use that.

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Speaker 3: It's an incredible opport unity. And they're awesome. So Rachel,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thank you so much. It's always a pleasure to

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Speaker 7: be able to share what we do podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Now, we'd love to hear from your Australia. Have you

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Speaker 2: got something that really gets you going? It's not sort

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Speaker 2: of sexual experience if in a lot of ways we're

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Speaker 2: looking for non sexual experiences that feel sexual. Yeah, well said,

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Speaker 2: we're asking you thirty one O six five, what's your

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Speaker 2: porn Australia.

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Speaker 3: What's the thing that really gets you going? Here's a

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Speaker 3: few examples.

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Speaker 2: For the Times.

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Speaker 7: Ten thousand steps a day when.

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Speaker 8: You get home from Warnek and your husband's cooked inner

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Speaker 8: and said, don't worry about the kids, you go have

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Speaker 8: a bath.

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Speaker 7: Oh, taking dead leaves off indoor plants.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, that is a great really, And when you

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Speaker 2: pull up to a red life next to someone who's

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Speaker 2: been sitting up your ass or speeding. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 2: we all know what we're after here right now, we're

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Speaker 2: to have one. Last night I was brushing my teeth

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Speaker 2: with my electric toothbrush, which, boy, all in all is

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Speaker 2: pretty amazing.

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Speaker 3: But you know when you get the do you brush

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Speaker 3: you an electric toothbrush?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: I do not.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Well when you get to the back tooth and you

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Speaker 2: can just sit it there and hang it out the

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Speaker 2: back there and it kind of itches the back of

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Speaker 2: your gum, that is wild.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is actually so good podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's your corn? Telling me what's your porn?

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Speaker 8: Your mind?

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Speaker 4: I got Natasha here on thirteen when I was six five.

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Speaker 4: Natasha tell us what's your porn?

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Speaker 1: My guys?

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Speaker 7: So my porn is when I boil the kettle later

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Speaker 7: on the day, so my daughter's bottle and it's exact temperature.

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Speaker 6: That I need.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's talking about her child.

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Speaker 2: You got Maddie here on thirty one and six by Maddie,

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Speaker 2: what's your porn?

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Speaker 4: So when you get to the crosswalk, you go to

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Speaker 4: hit the button and instantly right one of the chances

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Speaker 4: you sort of feel like a godlike creature when you

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Speaker 4: do that. You will like crossing crossing lights. Man, I'll

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Speaker 4: work on the title. We've got DeAndre here, Dean Dre

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Speaker 4: what's your born?

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Hi?

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Speaker 9: When you get into the shower on the cold winter's

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Speaker 9: morning and what is the perfect temperature and it just

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Speaker 9: your skin, it's like, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to time it actually is, you know, really

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Speaker 4: hard to time.

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Speaker 3: That your entrance to the shower.

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Speaker 4: I actually personally enjoy being in there when it's a

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Speaker 4: bit cold and the moment of flips.

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Speaker 2: Over the hobby you're sick in the brain. You know

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Speaker 2: you can you'd be loving that cold as well.

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Speaker 4: But when it flips well, we've got Susan here. I'm thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think kids because into this segment, the way

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Speaker 2: that you carry on this is clean.

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Speaker 3: Susan on thirty one and sixty five, what's your born?

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Speaker 6: Oh my guys, when you've been constipated for a few

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Speaker 6: days and your finally dum.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the show. Susan love the honest

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Speaker 3: to love the vulnerability.

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Speaker 4: Jeers me to check that on this show.

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Speaker 1: Podcasting Who.

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Speaker 9: And where is?

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Speaker 8: Bobody doesn't care?

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Speaker 5: What else?

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Speaker 4: Okay, listen, listen, listen, good after everyone, it is are

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Speaker 4: you okay today?

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Speaker 2: And gee wizard, we've got a hunting over a chat

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Speaker 2: to come right up next. Gus Wallen's going to join us,

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Speaker 2: the CEO, founder of Gotcha for Life, to talk to

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Speaker 2: you guys all about how to navigate your mates. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm a to be honest here to in particular how

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Speaker 2: to navigate blokes, because getting guys to talk about this

580
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff is like drawing blood from a stone.

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Speaker 2: Anyone that lives with a guy knows a guy is

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Speaker 2: married to a guy. Whatever it is, you would know

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Speaker 2: that Gus is amazing to listen to talk about this,

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Speaker 2: So make sure you're staying tune if you need a

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Speaker 2: hand there, particularly given the is are you okay and

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Speaker 2: you're keen on having a chat with a guy in

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Speaker 2: your life about maybe he's acting a bit differently. I

588
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Speaker 2: don't know, whatever it is, stay with us if you

589
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Speaker 2: can't get it on the podcast where you get your

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Speaker 2: podcast will and what he before then? Though, as always,

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Speaker 2: five hundred bucks to give away with Australia's Easiest Quiz

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Speaker 2: as realisesusy.

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Speaker 4: Plain today we have got Monica, Monica, there are thirty

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Speaker 4: seconds on the clock. You got to get ten questions right.

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Speaker 4: You can pass on any question and we have to

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Speaker 4: take your first answer first. How we feel in mom

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Speaker 4: nervous but excited.

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Speaker 1: Let's go all right, let's.

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Speaker 3: Do this's I love it.

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Speaker 2: Just straight in on thirty seconds on the ten questions,

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Speaker 2: you'll get you the five E Ready go? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Kay?

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Speaker 2: Buddy Franklin is associated with which sport are felt? Whose

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Speaker 2: name has more ws in it? Willow Woody?

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Speaker 3: What do you have for lunch today?

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Speaker 6: Parrott?

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Speaker 3: Name of Juel lipa song.

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Speaker 2: Which Captain Jack sparrett is parts is in the parts

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Speaker 2: of the caraber being films go.

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Speaker 3: I'm I have to stop stop stop the stop, stop

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Speaker 3: the cock.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, brut that I absolutely cooked that question, Absolutely cook

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Speaker 2: that question?

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Speaker 4: What do we do?

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Speaker 3: How long did I have left? How many was that? Fifteen?

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Speaker 3: Fourteen seconds? Can you stop me at fourteen seconds? And

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Speaker 3: I'll add an extra question in? Sorry about that? Monica,

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Speaker 3: That's okay?

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely choked.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely changing the number of times you.

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Speaker 2: Tried reading the questions or doing anything on the show,

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Speaker 2: that'd be great all.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're ready to go Monica.

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Speaker 4: Fair criticism.

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Speaker 3: Right here we go. What's seventeen minus eight? In which

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Speaker 3: country would you find the taj Mahal India? What day

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Speaker 3: was it yesterday? What's the cap of.

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Speaker 2: What sound does a Warris make? Okay, I'll have to

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Speaker 2: keep the Walrus in there. I have to keep the

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Speaker 2: Warris in there.

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Speaker 4: But you still haven't quite got there. Unfortunately, mind I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's all right, no dramas. Should I go through

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Speaker 4: the answers now? The only one that really mattered that

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Speaker 4: he didn't get Joel Leipa song could have been this one.

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Speaker 4: What's someone called Woods all night? I Lie over You?

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Speaker 1: Which I lovesting now?

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Speaker 2: Woods today is of course are you Okada? The moment

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Speaker 2: that you sit down with people, or even just send

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Speaker 2: him a text, give him a phone call, whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: to ask them how.

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Speaker 3: They are doing, to talk a little bit more about this.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we've done some extensive legwork behind the scenes to

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Speaker 2: get someone not from the charity are you okay, but

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Speaker 2: rather the CEO, the chairman, the founder of God you

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Speaker 2: a life, which is Gus Waller and Johnson phone right now,

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Speaker 2: and Gus, as you said to me just then. We're

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Speaker 2: all in this together, so titles are very much secondary.

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Speaker 2: And also that's a nice piece of forgiveness for the

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Speaker 2: production team. I was sweating on this as well. But

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Speaker 2: we prefer you, we prefer you having on you on

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Speaker 2: the show. But talk about this anyway, mate, So thanks

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Speaker 2: for coming on.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate it, no problem. Like I said, are you

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Speaker 9: oka brilliant organization? Support them, love them, and we should

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Speaker 9: be in collaboration with more people like that. We should

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Speaker 9: take ego out when we're talking about mental health and

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Speaker 9: mental fitness. So happy to help and step into the

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Speaker 9: breach with your boys in particular.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be in the breach with you, Gus.

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Speaker 4: But last time we were in the breach, you were

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Speaker 4: nursing a couple of cook tuna hand rolls or maybe

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Speaker 4: crispy chicken. I believe now I've got you. I mean

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Speaker 4: it's past lunch now, Gus. But have we got you

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Speaker 4: in the clear there? Have we got a bit of

666
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: food by your side?

667
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 9: Now I am clear of all types of boys, and

668
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 9: I'm twenty eight kilos down. I think, wow, we've been

669
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 9: on a being on a real get myself he few

670
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 9: type of stuff. So although sort of fried food behind me, unless,

671
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 9: of course, at some stage I fall a partner and

672
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 9: I go back to one hundred and two tilos. But

673
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 9: my wife tells me I'm looking good in other areas. Wow, Wow,

674
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 9: you've actually got together thirty years boy together? Just the lift?

675
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: Did you? Did you? Gus? I mean to try and

676
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: get that impact with your wife where you know you

677
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: revealed the rig? Did you hide did you hide away

678
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: the rig while you were losing the weight? And then

679
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: have that night where you were like, no.

680
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 9: What I've been able to do now it's just a

681
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 9: little bit of clipping, just a little bit of working

682
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 9: around the right areas a little bit more resirable.

683
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: That you finally got some eyes on it, which is

684
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: huge for you as.

685
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 9: Well, because the gut was in the way for.

686
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Speaker 2: Podcasting now, Gus Walland and Gus, you know what I like.

687
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: I like talking to you about mental health actually, Gus,

688
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: because I know that you know this doesn't need to

689
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: be as much as this is a serious topic, this

690
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be a somber topic. And I think

691
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: more often than not, that's why a lot of people

692
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: shy away from having these chances, because we get into

693
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: very serious issues very very quickly. Now you can have

694
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: wonderful chances with friends. You should be able to transition

695
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: from having a laugh into actually asking how somebody is.

696
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: And I think you're a great person at doing that.

697
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: And the reason I wanted to bring this up with

698
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: you in particular is our producer tsents a stat before

699
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: which absolutely blew me away. And again I'm focusing on

700
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: blokes here, and I know that's your specialty. If anyone

701
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: saw your Man Up series, it was amazing. But to

702
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: get this every second day. An Australian trading takes their

703
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: own life very second day and Ossie trading, Now, what's

704
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: the link there? I know a lot of people listening

705
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: obviously with no trade's if you are a trade works

706
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: and a work site before, what's the link there between

707
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: having a laugh with them and you know, talking about,

708
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: for instance, being able to see your own which is

709
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: what we're.

710
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: Just laughing about. Which you go for it.

711
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, any bloke in the world's like, yeah, sure,

712
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: I'll laugh about my size, But then as soon as

713
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: it goes to hey, how are you actually going right now?

714
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: We can't do that. What's going on there?

715
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's a be a stereotype that we're

716
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 9: trying to live up to that. Firstly, Secondly, we never

717
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 9: give upself the space or the time or the safety

718
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 9: to be able to have a conversation of what I

719
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 9: call gravity, something that actually could change your life. So

720
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 9: just imagine a trade very blokey. Most of them are blokes.

721
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 9: They're working hard hours and working outside a lot of

722
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 9: the time, and sort of the stereotype is you just

723
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 9: get your head down and get on with it, get

724
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 9: it done, and you just live a certain way and

725
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 9: it's the way it's always been and that's just the

726
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 9: way it is. Well, you know, the way it is

727
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 9: has got us to this stage where that you just said,

728
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 9: we're losing up to way dosie blokes every single day.

729
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 9: Let alone you're a trade or not. So it's a

730
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 9: number one way to die now if you're in Australian male.

731
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 9: So let's just put a line through what we've done

732
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 9: in the past and say that's any good and say

733
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 9: time to to change it up in times to do

734
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Speaker 9: things a little bit different. The manliest thing you can

735
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 9: do is actually tell at least someone how you do feel,

736
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 9: whereas in the past it was sort of man up,

737
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 9: shut up, now it's man up, speak up, and I

738
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 9: think that's the only way we'll be able to get

739
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 9: through this pandemic. And even before the pandemic we had

740
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 9: massive darments. So time, like I said, put the line

741
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 9: in the sand and go. You know what, what I've

742
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 9: done in the past and what other people have done

743
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 9: is not good enough.

744
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: Can I I'm just going to tack onto that little

745
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: bit there and tie in my friend Woody here, who's

746
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: got a great little nod and agree face and voice

747
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: during these segments.

748
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: He's rattled.

749
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Speaker 2: But you and I were talking about this the other day,

750
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: Woods and Guss was just saying, the manliest thing you

751
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: can do is tell someone how you're going. And you

752
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: weren't necessarily going through a mental health issue, but you

753
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: had a really hectic day the other day because you're

754
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: at working you found out that your nan died. Can

755
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: you just talk me through the conversation we had about

756
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: me saying to you, why didn't you tell anybody in.

757
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: The team at that point, because I think these are connected.

758
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty interesting, Gus So, Yes, and had about

759
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: an hour before our radio show that Nan had passed away,

760
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: and she's eighty seven years old. But because of all

761
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: sorts of complications with COVID nineteen. It met my grandfather

762
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: was going to be alone in the retirement home and

763
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: I've been married for sixty years, and that hit me

764
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 4: pretty hard, and it was interesting, and this is where

765
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: the man would he kicked in or the woody, thinking

766
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: that he needed to be the manly guy. I actually

767
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: wanted to go and do the show, and I wasn't

768
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: going to tell anyone what had happened. Luckily, I actually

769
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: I'm glad this happened. I did break down in tears,

770
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: and I grabbed executive producer Tear and we had a

771
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: conversation about it. But what I actually really struggled with

772
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: after that was I hated the idea that everyone in

773
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: the team then knew that I was going through a

774
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: tough time and I was struggling, and really I wanted

775
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 4: to come back to it the next day. I was

776
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: really keen to, and I'm really glad that I've had

777
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: Will in my life, who was saying, like, mate, just

778
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: take another day. You know what I mean.

779
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Speaker 3: It meant a day off for me as well, obviously, so.

780
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: I thought you were and it was a Friday as well,

781
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: so that was an extra long weekend for us. What

782
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm keen to hear what your thoughts are

783
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: on than any advice for me and a whole bunch

784
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: of blogs that I'm sure can relate to what I'm saying.

785
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean my advice to you is to go

786
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 9: to tea straight away and have that discussion, you know,

787
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 9: like you did eventually, But you should really be so

788
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 9: safe within your environment. You're in a very happy environment there.

789
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 9: You guys are very successful, you're good people, you know

790
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 9: each other well, you're great friends, and I'm sure you've

791
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 9: got a great crew there. I was around a breakfast

792
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 9: show for years and I know how close you can get.

793
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 9: So you should have absolutely felt that you could go there.

794
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 9: You would have felt safe to go there, and the

795
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 9: fact you got there in the end, you know, that's

796
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 9: great and you know, obviously I'm feeling for you now, brother,

797
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 9: But at the end of the day, you've done exactly

798
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 9: the way it was meant to be done, which is

799
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 9: your way, and that may not be perfect, but it's

800
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 9: just okay.

801
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, mate, that is so well said. Yeah, thanks, Gus,

802
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

803
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: Mate.

804
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: Podcasting now, we are joined by Gus Walland who joins us.

805
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: Right now to help us talk a bit more about this.

806
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: Remember, guys, if you can't stick around for the chat

807
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: with Gus, get it on the podcast.

808
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: Will and would it?

809
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: If any of this is bringing up any sorts of

810
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: feelings of struggle or oppression or whatever it is thirteen

811
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: eleven fourteen, you can call lifeline at any stage. But Gus,

812
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: we were talking before or actually, would you just brought

813
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: up the fact that his nan passed away recently and

814
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: how he felt that he really needed to be manly

815
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: about it. If that thought that you're having is not

816
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: that you just do you're upset with your grandma. If

817
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: that thought that you're having is that you're suicidal, maybe

818
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: you're fantasizing about killing yourself.

819
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: Whatever that is.

820
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: Not telling other people goes from not being manly to

821
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: you then severing contact with somebody who can actually save you.

822
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: And that's so slippery, like it's being in that spot

823
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: I think where where you haven't told someone and you're

824
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 2: buy yourself and you're trying to deal with it by yourself.

825
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: All it take this is you know one bad night

826
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: where you know a glass wine turns into a whole

827
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: bottle of wine. You lose your inhibitions a bit and

828
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: things get It just does get a bit strange. So

829
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: I think what your message is it Gotcha for Life

830
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: gas is trying to tell people to do the manly

831
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: thing and tell someone else. It might feel like a

832
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: real pain in the ass, and it might go against

833
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: everything that you believe in, but at least you've.

834
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: Got some form of safety net.

835
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 9: If it is, it's don't worry alone. That's the main thing,

836
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 9: bottom line, don't worry alone. If you're not worrying alone,

837
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 9: then you're telling at least someone how you're truly feeling.

838
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 9: And a lot of suicides up to fifty percent some

839
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 9: research say situational suicide. So something happens like that, a

840
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 9: real trauma comes and bang, within hours, someone has made

841
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 9: a decision that is deadly. So that's why at the

842
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 9: time where you're starting to have a trauma, you need

843
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 9: to tell someone straight away. And what we're trying to

844
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 9: do it Gotcha for Life is actually build up that

845
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 9: emotion or muscle so you can actually have those relationships

846
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 9: in place with vulnerability when it does come, and it

847
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 9: will come guaranteed, your listeners will be sitting there now.

848
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 9: I think when nothing's happened now, well, I can guarantee

849
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 9: you at some stage it will, and other people have

850
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 9: been through it. You've already got your relationship at such

851
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 9: a beautiful level and such a deep level that you

852
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 9: can ring that person and say hey, I need you.

853
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 9: Something's happened, and there's just an understanding and a love

854
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 9: and a friendship there which goes above makeshift that allows

855
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 9: you to be able to get through stuff by not

856
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 9: worrying alone and getting your team, getting your neighborhood, getting

857
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 9: your community, getting a village around you. And that's what

858
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 9: it's all about, is building up the emotional muscle now

859
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 9: so you can deal with the grand final and it

860
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 9: vastly does come. It's not like I talk sport all

861
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 9: the time with kids, because mental health has got a

862
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 9: negative quannotation. If you talk about mental fitness, you're allowed

863
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 9: to have this floating scale where you're sometimes a bit unfit,

864
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 9: other times you're on fire. It's just like your physical fitness.

865
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 9: And I think if we can get everyone to understand that,

866
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 9: then you won't have this negative quannotation of mental Health's

867
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 9: got to normalize the conversation and chats like this between

868
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 9: the three of us to your listeners will only help that.

869
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 9: We've just got to take all the science and all

870
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 9: that stuff out and just simplify it down to mental fitness.

871
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 9: And it's okay not to be okay, and please don't

872
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 9: worry alone.

873
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: They're doing wonderful stuff Gotcha for Life. Gus Wallan's doing

874
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: wonderful gear. And it was a great chat you had

875
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: with Steve Smith recently as well, guys, which you can

876
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: get on YouTube, all about Steve how he coped during lockdown.

877
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: He's probably the most mentally resilient person. I reckon I've

878
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 2: ever seen after watching the test on Amazon that is wild.

879
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: So I reckon that's going to be a fascinating chat.

880
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: But otherwise, go and check out Gotcha for Life. They're

881
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: all about promoting mental fitness at the moment, exactly what

882
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: Gus was just talking about, which on a day like

883
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: are you ok to guys, is just something which it's

884
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: an imperative tool to have in your tool belt for.

885
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: The modern age.

886
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: It's just it's the way that people have got we've

887
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: got to start living, got to be thinking more about it,

888
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: and it's all about the power of prevention through connection.

889
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: If you want to learn more about that, and that's

890
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: resonating with you right now in your car. Al Ono

891
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Gotcha for Life dot com dot are you and you

892
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: can see what they're all about there and helping people. Gus,

893
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on the show. It's

894
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: a pleasure as always to talk to you, mate. We

895
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm sure we can announce this at

896
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: some stage, but we're actually teaming up with Gotcha for

897
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: Life with a very exciting prospect sometime in the horizon

898
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: next year to do with an app that's going to

899
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: help all you guys through this sort of stuff.

900
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: And it sounds like Gus is going to be the

901
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: model for that campaign by the end of the year.

902
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 4: We are we losing more, GUSA? Are we happy with

903
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: where we're at?

904
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 9: Oh? I know, definitely some more to go, But at

905
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 9: the moment I'm in a bit of a what's that phase?

906
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 9: We're just you're holy yeah, I mean yeah, sure.

907
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: Well, we think you're doing a wonderful job made, particularly

908
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: on the mental health front. So thank you so much

909
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 2: for coming on board, and thanks for us so much

910
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: for all the work you're doing with Gotcha for Life

911
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: as last year, And are you okay?

912
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: Mate?

913
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: I sat down with you and interviewed you about what

914
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: it was like to work with me when I'm depressed.

915
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: M really wrecked my morning. That is a joke. I

916
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: hate having the conversation. That is true, hand on my heart.

917
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: I hate having these conversations, but I also realize how

918
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: important these conversations are. And it's interesting whenever I when

919
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: we had those conversations that it hits me, I go shit,

920
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this, But then as soon

921
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 4: as we finish those conversations, or even in the middle

922
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: of those conversations, I'm so happy every time we do

923
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: have them.

924
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look mate, you play a pivotal role in

925
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: keeping me above the surface. And you guys will hear

926
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: that in the chat right now. It does get super emotional,

927
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: super uncomfortable at lots of different points, but it is

928
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: probably the most important conversation we've had publicly ever. And

929
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot of radio that's happened in that time.

930
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: So if you know anyone, this chat's going to help

931
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: share it with them. As I said, the links on

932
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: our podcast with them. What do wherever you get your

933
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: podcasts or just yeah, enjoy This is me interviewing Woods

934
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: about what it's like to deal with me when I'm depressed.

935
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: Today is are you okay?

936
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 7: Day?

937
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: And I think I've always said that I think the

938
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: mental health crisis can only be solved by the people

939
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: who aren't.

940
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: Going through something.

941
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: So that's why it's going to be about you, because

942
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: that's You're in a bit of a unique position, because

943
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: not only do you have to work with me intimately.

944
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: If I am depressed and I rock up to work,

945
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: I can't just bury my head.

946
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: In work or like at the photocopier. Not that I

947
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: bet the photo.

948
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: I bet the photo copy anyway, but I have to

949
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 2: front up and do the show, et cetera.

950
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 3: I believe there was one day when I.

951
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: Was feeling very depressed, and I think I approached you

952
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: about doing a show where I was where I was depressed.

953
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 4: The show had just started, I'm going I'd been going

954
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: for three months.

955
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: And I said, I think I should just do the

956
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: show depressed and telegram depressed and.

957
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: Be a glum on the air, as would have been

958
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: the shit can you message? And you're like, I think

959
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 3: you said.

960
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: Mate, it's a good idea.

961
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 3: Now might not be the time.

962
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: So you do a really good job of navigating me

963
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: when I am in that sort of a zone.

964
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: Thank you.

965
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: How do you go?

966
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: How do you go about it?

967
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's been a journey actually because I reckon. Initially

968
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: I didn't get it, which we've talked about before, and

969
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: that was that was pretty ship when I didn't get it,

970
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: because it was just like you're seeing someone you love

971
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: going through saying really shit and you just like naturally

972
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: you just want to like click your fingers and fix it.

973
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 4: And then you sort of feel a bit like you've

974
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 4: let your friend down or you love one down because

975
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: you're not able to bring.

976
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 6: Them out of it.

977
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know I struggled with that early, but

978
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 4: then you.

979
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: Struggle with not being able to put me out of it.

980
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

981
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And through conversations with you and just getting to

982
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: know it a bit more, I've come to realize that

983
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: that's that's not what I try to do anymore. So

984
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 4: I know that if you are in a place where

985
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: you're struggling, you have a bad day, it's not about

986
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: what can I do to get you out of that.

987
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: It's more it's more like sorry about it, to talk about.

988
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: It's okay, alright, you're.

989
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 3: Doing a good job.

990
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 7: I thought I was doing a good job.

991
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 4: Stay with it, just showing to show that it doesn't

992
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: affect me anymore.

993
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely killing it.

994
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, more of that right up next to Milan Wood,

995
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: You've actually staying with us. It's are you okay to

996
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: I've got the second part of that conversation. I hope

997
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: everyone's all right thirteen eleven fourteen. If this is bringing

998
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: up anything that you're struggling with, I really hope for

999
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: a lot of you, it's biring you to go home

1000
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: and have a chat with people that you live with

1001
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 2: or work with, or whatever it is, to just let

1002
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: them know that you're there for them, because could.

1003
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: Save their life.

1004
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Casting now, Woods.

1005
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: You and I sat down last year on AUOKDA and

1006
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: had a conversation about what I'm like when I'm depressed.

1007
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: If you missed the first part of this chat, you

1008
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: can get on our podcast Will and Would wherever you

1009
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: get your podcasts. But this is a really important conversation,

1010
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: and I think on auok it's really important chat and

1011
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: the part you're about to hear now is all about

1012
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: the way that people act when they're depressed. And I

1013
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: think this is one of the hardest things to navigate

1014
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: because a lot of the time the person who is

1015
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: expressing those emotions or those feelings, or maybe they're getting

1016
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: really angry, or they're abrasive, maybe they're distant, whatever that is.

1017
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: That's a really really, really hard thing to absorb and

1018
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: then forgive that person that that's not actually who they are.

1019
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: They're experiencing something deep down, and you've got to do

1020
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: that frequently with me. That's something that we're about to

1021
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: hear on this conversation now.

1022
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: But it is a really tough.

1023
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's been a real process and a journey

1024
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: for me personally dealing with that. But again, I hope

1025
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: when we do play this next part of the chat

1026
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: that we had, that people will take something from this

1027
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: and hopefully get better themselves. I do want to stress up.

1028
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: You know, you're never going to be an expert at

1029
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: it or or perfect at it, but again, hopefully hearing

1030
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 4: this and having those conversations will make you better and better.

1031
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: It's pretty emotional stuff again. Thirteen eleven fourteen. If this

1032
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: is resurfing anything for you that you're really struggling with

1033
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: and you need to call someone to talk to someone

1034
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: right now, you can call lifeline. Otherwise, have a listen

1035
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: to this it's pretty emotional stuff here, Will and Woody,

1036
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: Are you okay to I couldn't do the job that

1037
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: we do if it wasn't for you, And that's largely because.

1038
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: Well vice versa.

1039
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: I hope you don't feel it's mutual there.

1040
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 8: I remember recently. You don't know I heard this, but

1041
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 8: you I'd always seiss of a raunge.

1042
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: Of people.

1043
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 9: I love.

1044
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's funny, I.

1045
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 8: Really set them off and I was like walked out

1046
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 8: and I could hear.

1047
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: You in there, sort of saying to everyone that.

1048
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 8: It wasn't it wasn't me, and you wanted everyone to

1049
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 8: just forgive me for how I'd been and what I'd said.

1050
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 8: And I know how many bosses you've talked off a

1051
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 8: ledge because of how I've been, But thank you. It's

1052
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 8: mine And it's a really scary part I think of

1053
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 8: having a mental illness is you. Yeah, I hate the

1054
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 8: way you treat people when you like that, And I

1055
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 8: think that's why it's really important for.

1056
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 9: You.

1057
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 8: Know, It's like, it's really key that you find people

1058
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 8: like you in your life because it takes real balls

1059
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 8: own strength to.

1060
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: Stay with people when they're like that.

1061
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 8: And I see it with my girlfriend Sam as well,

1062
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 8: like you know, like come home and I talk about

1063
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 8: the fact that I felt, like, you know, thinking about

1064
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 8: killing myself that day or whatever it is, and the

1065
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 8: fact that I've got people around me like you that

1066
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 8: don't react and just like absorb it. So I want

1067
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 8: to say things it's because I.

1068
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: Love you, yeah too, man, for anyone, for anyone else

1069
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: who is going through that, just if they can somehow.

1070
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: And I know how hard this.

1071
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 4: Must be when you are in the throes of it,

1072
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 4: but just to try and remind themselves of how much

1073
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 4: people do like them. And it's like all the things

1074
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: you say, I hate hearing the most. Whenever you have

1075
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 4: the feeling that you are.

1076
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: That's it.

1077
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: Whenever you say that you're like when you're realizing that

1078
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: you hate the person you are and you worry about

1079
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 4: think people you're bringing down.

1080
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 9: I just.

1081
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: I just want to do anything I can to remind

1082
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: you that that is not the case.

1083
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 8: I was listening to a Counting Crows song before called

1084
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 8: Perfect Blue Buildings. I don't know if you've heard it,

1085
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 8: but you probably haven't.

1086
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: You got a shit taste in music. I've the cover.

1087
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: It's a cover.

1088
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: The song's called Perfect Blue Buildings and it's about him

1089
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: being impressed. And the line in the song that he

1090
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: says is at the end that he sings is how.

1091
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 8: Am I going to keep? How am I going to

1092
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 8: keep myself away from me? And that's pretty ectic because

1093
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 8: I've definitely felt that before. How am I going to

1094
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 8: keep myself away from me? And I just want to

1095
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 8: say that often it's because of you that you keep

1096
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 8: you away from me. I'm really lucky.

1097
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm lucky.

1098
00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 8: Thankes uch.

1099
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, there you go. That's the chat

1100
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: and I had last year, and are you okay? Hard

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Speaker 2: for us to hear again. I'm going to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I think we both know how important that conversation wants

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Speaker 2: to have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And if you're still thinking actually that having the

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Speaker 4: conversation is something that you're you're going to struggle to

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Speaker 4: do bring it up with someone. You can be as

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Speaker 4: simple as just sharing the link of that chat or

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Speaker 4: the video we did on Instagram. I know a lot

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Speaker 4: of people did that last year. That's actually a really

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Speaker 4: good way to is inobtrusively a word will I think

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Speaker 4: we'd say unobtrusive to unobtrusively bring up this really serious conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Actually share the video and

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Speaker 3: just go guys. I watched this. It helped me let

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Speaker 3: me know if anyone needs to.

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Speaker 1: Talk, see what you're hearing.

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