WEBVTT - SPANKIE JACKZON TALKS ABOUT THE RUPAUL 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.600 TV Reload, the podcast. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.040 Last week they light Welcome back to TV Reload. My 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.760 name is Benjamin Norris, and on this podcast I go 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.320 behind the scenes with the biggest players in television. Each 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.160 episode you will get a front row seat with content 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.760 makers like executive producers, writers, editors, and casting agents, plus 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.800 the talent that we see on our screens. TV Reload 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.800 reloads the shows that you are currently watching and gives 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.040 you a better insight into our television industry and our 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.360 streaming services. This week on the podcast, I have the 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.639 winner of RuPaul's Drag Race down Under season two. It 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.640 is Spanky Jackson and while we have had to wait 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.080 a little longer than I expected, I can tell you 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.080 this this chat was worth the wait. Spanky was my 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.360 favorite towards the end, and I absolutely adore the type 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:53.519 of person she was on every episode. Funny, talented, warm. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.600 And massively unpolished. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:59.320 There is something unique and brilliant with every strut Spanky takes. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.600 I love the most of the fans didn't see her 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.600 as the favorite, and I also love how supportive Hannah 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.399 and Queen have been to Spanky's win. We will talk 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.520 about her nerves going into the competition, if being a 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.800 winner helps you get shagged, what she thinks of the 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.839 franchise and what it needs to change, and a few 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.959 life lessons along the way that I think that you 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.800 guys are going to get a lot out of. However, 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.640 let's get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.000 Spanky Jackson from RuPaul's Drag Race down Under season two 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:28.280 to TV Reload. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.440 I nearly pulled out a week and a half before 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.560 because I didn't want to embarrass myself. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.120 Look who's here, Spanky Jackson. 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.760 I was resound to the fact. I was like, Okay, 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.720 I'm not going to win down Under. His next drag 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:49.520 superstar needs the charisma of a Kiwi I'm looking for it, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:55.000 not even a relationship or anything. It's the connections condragulations 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.440 from making it to the grandminale a Rubol's Drag Race 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.000 down Under. I think time that the format changed. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:07.440 The winner Ruba's Drag Race down Under Spanky Jackson. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.400 And I feel like we're missing out on the entertainment 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.960 that those queens could totally bring to the party. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.720 Hi, Spanky Jackson, how the hell are you? 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.840 Oh? I'm so good. How are you, babes? 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.960 Good morning, Yeah, it's a good morning. And I have 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.320 to say congragulations on your win. You are the winner 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.799 of RuPaul's Drag Race down Under season two. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.760 I know it's crazy, right, Like it's so bizarre and 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.200 it's still like sets in like it still feels kind 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.919 of unreal. It just feels kind of like it was 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.480 a dream in some kind of way. Okay, the bank 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.079 account looks different, so you know that's great, but yeah, 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.480 it still feels quite surreal. Yeah, it's just it's been incredible. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.760 What does it feel like to not only be a 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.920 rue girl but to be the winner? 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.840 I think, like winning isn't everything, Like it really isn't. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.000 I think even making it to the end is still 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.400 like winning in a way, and being a rue girl. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.520 I mean, there's so many of us now, but it 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.720 just means that you're at that level. We have something 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.919 to offer and it shows that I was on the 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.200 right path and I'm supposed to be doing what I'm doing. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.720 And I think it's just that validation of that I've 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.160 always been on the right track. You know that That's 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:18.639 what it really comes down to at the end of 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.600 the day. It just kind of says to yourself, I 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.280 know you're in the right place, You're doing the right thing. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:23.560 You know. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.040 Well, I thought it was interesting because out of the 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.520 three chats that I did with the three finalists, you 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.840 were the most unconfident about winning. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.519 I know. I know people say this to me all 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.440 the time. They're like, oh, you had to know that 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.040 you were going to win, And it was like, I think, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.200 as a fan of the show, I have those same expectations. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.880 I suppose of like drag queens. Now is that it? 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.920 You know, it has morphed, it has changed, it has 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.840 you know, the game changed very quickly. And I was 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.760 never going to be that drag queen. Like I'm just 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.600 not that drag queen. I never have. I'm never going 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.000 to be. All through my life of drag you know, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:03:59.800 people are like, oh, you need bigger clothes, and you 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:01.480 need here, and you need a bit of you know, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.040 you need sequence, and you need jewelry. And of course 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:05.840 I'm that person that is just like, if you're going 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.600 to tell me I'm going to do something, I'm going 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.760 to do the opposite. So I'm going to be like, 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.320 I'm going to do what I'm going to do, and 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.200 you do what you want to do. I think that 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.720 there was that expectation from me as well, is that 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.680 that's what they were looking for, you know, they were 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.360 looking for the polish and the clothes, and that I 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.800 just think that it wasn't the package I was expecting, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.400 and that's why I was so unconfident about it. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.120 What do you think kind of changed though? For everyone 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.400 believing that it was going to be Queen Kong like 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.920 as in everyone was like, it's Queen Kong's like, you know, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.560 and through the competition a lot of people said it was, 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.039 you know, Hannah's to lose. You know, what do you 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.560 think really changed in those last moments that brought you 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.159 forward and made rupick you. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.360 I definitely have some other quality that you know, maybe 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.760 the other two girls didn't have. And I think that 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.279 that's just a me thing. And I think that, you know, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.200 at the end of the day, those girls have that 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.359 me thing too, but it's individual to them. And I 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.600 think that I'm just I think I relate with all people, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.960 and I think that that is really what got me 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.560 over the line, was that there's a relatability of you know, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:10.080 a relatability, a relatability Oh my god, I'm too hungover 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:15.680 to even open my mouth. I'm not unattainable, like I'm believable, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.800 you know me. You know, I'm part of your family, 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.600 and that's who I think spanking and me is, you 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.080 know what I mean, And I think that that was 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.600 really what got it over the line. To be fair, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:26.599 at the end of the day. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.400 I think you're one of my favorite currency of television, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.159 and that is that you are aspirational. You know, I 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.800 think people want there's an element of me that wants 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.680 to be you. You know, I think we all want 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.440 to succeed. And so watching you put your balls to 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.560 the floor or whatever that saying is, I'm sure that's 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.120 not what it is and probably not what you say. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:45.440 To a dragon. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.080 Balls to the wall or balls to the wall. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.120 Yeah, you all I can think about is balls, and 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:58.960 so I've lost my trade report. But you know what 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:00.159 I'm talking about. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.440 You know what I mean, I do know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.080 I think that that's there was no other option. Yeah, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.240 well there was no other option. It was like you know, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.600 like I was saying, I nearly pulled out a week 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.040 and a half before because I didn't want to embarrass 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.080 myself and because I knew the level that was expected. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.120 You know that going in there you have to be 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.880 realistic about that. But there was also something aside of 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.479 me that was like, well, I'm never going to have 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.440 this opportunity again, and if I only make it through 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.039 one episode, well then that that's that's my time, you know. 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.479 But I'm going to do this and I'm going to, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.760 you know, apply what I've always applied through the rest 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.640 of my life, which is that go out there and 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.320 smash it in the dick. And that's exactly what I did. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.599 You know, I went out there and just delivered me 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.599 at all times one hundred and ten percent. And I 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.240 think that that's really the key for everybody. You know, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.400 it doesn't matter what the field is. It doesn't have 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.560 to be performance. It's it's delivering your product, knowing what 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.039 you're good at and serving it. You know, whether that's 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.400 in a corporate job, or whether that's it the fish 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.760 and chip shop, or you know, whether that's at the 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.760 local dairy, it's exactly the same thing. Like it's like, 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.560 if you want that goal, go and do you and 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.800 do it your way and do the best that you can, 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.480 you know, and I think that that's I'm living proof 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.000 of it. I mean, it's still so surreal to me that, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.360 like my whole for years, I've sat and ate food 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.800 with my friends and we've laughed about what it would 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.920 be like to be on the show and what you 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.880 would do and what you'd say, and then to come 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:30.760 out the other end of it with a crown and 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.400 no pants. I mean, it's just fucked. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.360 I kind of you know, when you watch Rupeaul's like, 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.280 it's the you know, we talked about this last time. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.280 You know, there's been so many different seasons of it, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.800 but you can sort of break it apart, and when 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:45.720 you go back and look at seasons, there's always a 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.000 tasty morsel in the first episode for the person who's 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.200 going to win, and for me when I rewatched the season, 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.040 because obviously I've got no life, so I've rewatched it 0:07:54.040 --> 0:08:00.280 all again. Your breakup more that summed you up was 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.560 the bit where you're talking down the run You know, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.600 you're like, why am I talking like this? 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:10.400 You know, when I turn around, who there's Oh. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.320 My god, can I stop sounding like a fucking nhatched teenager? 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.600 Like I'm walking down the runway, fucking feeling the South. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.520 Fuck it, it was that's true, though. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.720 It was nobody was great because it was like, as 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.320 you said, you know, you've been talking about doing the 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:27.800 show for so long, so you've kind of been in 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.520 your head on you know, this is the moment where 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:31.760 I'm doing my little bit about what's going on, and 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.920 then you sort of broke that down and just were like, 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.000 what the hell am I sounding like this like? And 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.120 that was the that was the breakout Spanky Jackson moment. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.240 I mean, it was just surreal to even like the 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:44.640 whole first episode was just you know, you like from 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:49.680 walking into singing RuPaul to then getting that bloody challenge, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.600 it was just every all at once. It was joy, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.120 it was nervousness, excitement, but you're there, so you just 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.360 have to go for it, you know, and I am 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.000 that person. It's like I'm so real that it's just 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.360 not even funny, Like I just talk about my life 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.080 like it's normal, because it's everybody is normal, Like everybody 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.480 goes through stuff. It's like people who poo themselves or 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.360 like you know, everybody has done that. Everybody's throwing up 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.240 somewhere or you know, it's like we we see these 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.120 things as like, oh, you shouldn't talk about it, but 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.000 it's like, this is real life. This is what happens 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.800 to humans. This is what you know we do, and 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.959 everybody does it. Like people are like, oh, you know, God, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.920 they knows so far in the air, and it's like 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.720 your shit thinks just as much as mine does. Mabes 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.080 like it's no different. You do it, and I know 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.280 you do it because I do it, and it's part 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.679 of our lives. So that's kind of like the realness 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.480 of life. And I think that's what's missing. Everything's so 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.360 manufactured now, and you know, even in the Instagram world, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.240 the social media world, it's like even people's profiles and 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.319 manufactured for the life that they want to be seen 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.920 to be living. But the reality is is that that's 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.120 not true, Like it's just not and it's the stuff 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.800 that they're not showing that it's relatable. It's the stuff 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.679 that's real, you know, and we need more of that, 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.600 Like let it all hang. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.240 Out as we're doing right now. You are hungover in bed, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.080 I'm propped up hungover. I've got a beanie on. You 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:15.040 should have a beanie on. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.720 I did have a beanie on before, but I was like, 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.439 I better put a hat on. I was like, I 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:21.760 haven't even done with bloody here. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.760 This is the people want, though, They want to have 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.719 a real experience when you listening to people. They want 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.320 to feel like, you know, they're a fly on the 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.199 wall and they get to hear what you really think. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:34.839 I mean, all that was really left because it was 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.240 such a visceral experience for you for this season for 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.880 us as an audience was what is what does Rue 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:40.400 Paul smell? 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:40.600 Like? 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.280 That's the only question we got left, you. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:47.240 Know, was she smell amazing at all times and was 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.920 so fucking clean and put together like I never see 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.840 her it look terrible ever, And and the shocking thing 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.440 for me, like, you know, like you're seeing RuPaul on 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.600 TV and you think like and Drag and you think, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.480 oh yeah, like you know, I know what Drag's like, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.400 and we can see the edges, you know, but she 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:09.480 is so finished, like it's like you can't even clock it. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.280 You couldn't even clock a hairline, you know. Like the 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.800 way she looks on TV is the way she looks 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.160 in real life. And honestly, all of us girls would 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.480 literally just be an awe, Like we would sit there 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.680 and try and look for the edge or you know, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.480 we try and look for that wonky lash or you know, 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.000 all of that, and it just doesn't exist. It just 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:32.440 doesn't exist. She's so just incredible, an amazing person and such. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.520 I'm just really honored that I got the time to 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.880 spend with her that I did and to hear the 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.280 wisdom that she passed on to me. And ye, it's 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.520 something you just can't replace. But she always smells fresh. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.040 That's always a good start, because she smelled terrible. 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.800 I mean, has there been any communication so you've won? 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.920 Has she sent you a text? Does she slid into 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.200 your damns? Is there an email that's come through anything? 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:54.560 Nothing? 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.720 No, she didn't. I did send her. I did send 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.959 her a video message. Should have just sent her a 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.440 pack of by ass. She probably would have appreciated it. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.640 But yeah, right, she would have been like literally she 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.959 would have been. I know that. Yeah. She I sent 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.400 her a video message actually just to say thank you, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.040 like on the day that it happened. And I didn't 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.280 expect to reply, but I wanted to send you a 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.480 message to say thank you. But I did get a 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.000 lovely message from Michelle. She sent me a beautiful voice 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.160 message to congratulate me and of course. The thing is 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.439 just like I think for them at the time, we're 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.240 so separate, so they don't get to see behind the scenes, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.560 you know, they don't get to see what happens before 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.160 the runway or any of that. So they watch it 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.640 all back and I think it was refreshing for them 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.560 as well to see that, you know, the spanking that 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.880 they saw on stage, there was a whole lot more 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.080 to Spanky Jackson behind the scenes, and she did. Yeah, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.559 it was honestly really touching that she'd sent me a message. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.000 And I've saved that message and I will save it 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.880 for the rest of my life because it just meant 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:58.280 the world. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.400 Can you tell us what the message is? Is that 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.360 prying too much? Is that a private moment between you? 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.520 And it was just like it was just like how 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.040 proud Well basically she was just like, I was really 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.280 proud of you, Spanky, and like you just showed that 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.360 you're just such a beautiful person. And the love that 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.760 was in the message, it was the tone of the message. 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.640 I mean, it was a voice message, so it was 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.000 you heard it. There was love in it, and it 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.760 wasn't just some false message for the sake of sending 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.520 a message it was it was set with love and yeah, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.520 she just congratulated me and said that she was really 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.720 proud of me. So I mean it's special enough for me. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.400 What I mean, we saw a video on Instagram of 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.960 you with the girls waiting for the announcement to happen, 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.760 and then the announcement, you know, we got to see that. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.480 But what was it like sitting there waiting to find 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.120 out with those two others, well, with everyone watching you 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.240 like that, what was that moment? 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.480 Like? I think it's been the hardest part. Like when 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.120 I was in New Zealand, before I went into the 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.440 solo tour, I hadn't done any viewing parties or anything. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.679 And then of course I did one viewing party and 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.559 that was the first time I was kind of watching 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.640 an episode with just a bunch of fucking strangers. There 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.319 was a horrible experience for me because I had the 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.560 luxury of sitting on my couch just eating food with 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.800 my friends and watching the show like a normal person, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.480 you know, but to watch it with a whole bunch 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.080 of fans. And that was a particularly emotional episode as well. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:13.760 There was where I was talking about my dad. I 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.960 think it was a makeover challenge and watching that is 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.960 really difficult to watch with a bunch of people. And 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.600 then to get to the finale, it was like I'm 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.520 in a room of all these you know, these people 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.840 who were just you know, super fans, and you know, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.120 every drag queen and his bloody dog was there, and 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.760 you know that your peers, they you're you know, you're 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.960 in a room full of people who are at the 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.200 top of their game. They are, And I mean the 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.360 three of us had the best time, Like we all 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.200 had our families and stuff here, and we all had drinks. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.080 We were even late to the finale because we were 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.920 just having too much fun with all of our families meeting, 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.160 and we were all in one hotel room having you know, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.920 caught it all talks and all of our moms just 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.280 got together and suddenly happened to just end up all 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.080 wearing denim jackets out like just so you know, weird. 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.440 But the three of us absolutely love and adore each other. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.040 So we sat there and just watched it with pride. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.040 But I think when it comes to that finale moment, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.760 like my stomach just dropped, like oh I was resound 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.480 to the fact I was like, okay, I'm not going 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.200 to win, like I'm just not and I was okay 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.760 with that, but I also just felt like sick at 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.040 the same time, like I keep saying to the girls, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.560 I think I'm gonna throw up, Like I was just like, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.320 just get to the fucking end of this bloody episode, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.000 like hurry up, like I can't, I can't take this. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.200 And then of course, because we're on the stage as well, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.200 it's like all the eyes are behind our back and 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.120 it's just it felt like, yeah, it felt like people 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.840 were looking through you in a way, and you're just 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.760 like trying to keep it together. But then you're like, 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.080 oh my god, I really just want to like lie 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.720 on my couch and watch this. I don't want to 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.160 like be with all these people and then winning as well. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.440 I mean, in that moment, like my heart just broke 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.400 for the two girls, Like that was my first initial 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.320 reaction was shock a but my heart just broke for 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.600 them because it's like we all wanted it so much 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.480 and they are just so incredible, and I mean I'm 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.080 incredible too. I'm starting to realize this, but just in 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.240 very different ways. And I think it's those expectations, but 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.760 it was unreal to be in a room full of 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.320 people and we got to sit there and support each 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.200 other and love each other, and they were so graceful 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.680 and gracious, and they just made it that much more special. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.280 I mean, the girls have been sharing the photos with 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.000 me at the moment and they are horrendous. Here's me 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.800 like crying, like I'm like, oh god, and these two 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.520 girls are like living their best lives and they keep 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.640 sharing them to me just cracks me up. So they 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:42.320 were so kind. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.520 And how long did you celebrate for? Did you manage 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.280 to stay out late or did you try and get 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.240 to bed? Was it an all line or what happened? 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.240 No, it became quite od. No, Actually, yeah, I got 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:58.920 home when the sun was rising. I think I even 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.320 did an interview before I went to bed, like so 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.480 that's how like early it was. And then I slept 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.320 like for oh god, it felt like it was like 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.000 eight hours. It wasn't. It was probably only five hours. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.679 But yeah, I really needed the rest and the sleep. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.800 But no, I had a good time last night. I 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:22.280 probably celebrated a little bit more of that actual feeling 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.199 of winning because it was just still a rollercoaster, like 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.399 I'm just on autopilot. At the moment, like I just 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.359 have to keep going, keep going. And now I'm on 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.880 tour as well, so it's like just got to keep going, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.680 keep going, keep going, so hopefully I'll get a break soon. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.600 Has this experience or do you think this experience, you know, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.960 has it changed your life? I mean, do you think 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.480 that you'll pick up more blokes or what? Do you 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.440 think has this experience changed your life? 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.560 Well, I'm still single, so there's that. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.320 You Like, no winner of RuPaul's drag race Shags is 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:52.360 that what we're going to call it? 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.000 I mean, this is the girls are like trying to 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.640 give me the shag, like everything that moves, and I'm 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.760 just like, I think I'm at that point like I've 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.360 been an absolute slat in my twenties. I've done that, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.679 you know, I've lived that life, and I'm at that 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.160 point where it's like I need more than just guy 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.840 to just have sex with or whatever. I'm looking for. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.720 It not even a relationship or anything. It's the connection. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.960 It's like I need the X factor about them for 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.600 me to be interested, and I need them to know 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.399 who they are because I know who I am and 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.679 I can't take that shit on, Like I just can't. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.520 I'm looking for it, not even a relationship or anything. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.199