WEBVTT - Three Doting Dads feat. Mick Fanning

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to three doting dads. I'm Maddie Jay, I'm Ash,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Mick Fanning. And normally this podcast is purely

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<v Speaker 1>just about parenting, the highs, the lows, the relatability, and

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<v Speaker 1>no advice.

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<v Speaker 2>No, usually we don't offer any advice.

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<v Speaker 1>But I reckon this one's going to be a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>B Maybe some life advice, maybe some paddle advice, how

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<v Speaker 2>to surf better, maybe for Matt, not for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I could take the feedback.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted to say, firstly, thank you for welcoming us

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<v Speaker 1>into your house on the Gold Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's beautiful, and like all good guests, we have

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<v Speaker 2>brought you something to say thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be rude if we came empty handed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's not scary, it's all good. When I

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<v Speaker 2>was growing up, me and my friends used to watch

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<v Speaker 2>a movie if you was called Fanning the Fire beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>and we used to I was saying to Matt, we

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<v Speaker 2>used to have one of those. My dad's a medical

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<v Speaker 2>rep used to be medical rep, and it used to

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<v Speaker 2>have like a small TV that you got from a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor surgery that had a VHS in it that you

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<v Speaker 2>could slow mow it down. We should to slow mow

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<v Speaker 2>it down when you were hitting the lip or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>See if we could pick up some techniques. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>managed to get hold of a VHS of fanning the

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<v Speaker 2>fire for you and Maddie and I on the inside

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<v Speaker 2>have just said thanks for having us signed it off

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<v Speaker 2>for you to do what you want with it, but again,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for having us. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>When we started the podcast, we had a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a list. We didn't really think we'd have that many guests,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, we thought it would.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be Ash and myself talking shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And we put a list together who would we like

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast and your name was thrown out as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the top shelf guests and Ash said, leave

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<v Speaker 1>it with me. I'm going to do some work and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest. I gave him about a five percent chair.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm locking in this interview. I thought, if ever there

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<v Speaker 1>was someone who's being pulled pillart a post for requests

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<v Speaker 1>on podcasts, it would be yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and I look, I connected some dots. Thankfully. I

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<v Speaker 2>met Sam, so shout out to Sam, who's a great guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, have you got can you help me out?

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously he's managed to connect us, and yeah, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for inviting us to your house, because I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want us in your house, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Some different people.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are, so those of you are listening, just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of an introduction for Mick. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>three time world champion. Here's a nine time Australian Surfer

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<v Speaker 2>of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it nine times?

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<v Speaker 3>It is?

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<v Speaker 2>You? Look?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretends I wanted that many times.

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped counting when I got to five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely nine I've done. There was

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<v Speaker 2>conflicting articles, but it's nine. You single, as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>you carried a generation of Australian surfers on your back

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<v Speaker 2>for a very long time and definitely one of my

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<v Speaker 2>growing up watching obviously Fanning White Lightning as we call

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<v Speaker 2>you in my household, just shred. So thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>having us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the most surprising thing when we were doing

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<v Speaker 1>some research into you, If anyone who's not familiar, you're

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<v Speaker 1>originally from Penrith. So how does a boy from Penrith

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<v Speaker 1>become a world champion surfer? Do you remember your first

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<v Speaker 1>little taste of the ocean or was it love at

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<v Speaker 1>first sight?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do, so to answer your question, how to

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<v Speaker 3>surf in Penrith, we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So my parents separated when I was pretty young and

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<v Speaker 3>we moved to CoP's Harbor with my dad and we

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<v Speaker 3>lived it was five minute walk from the beach, and

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<v Speaker 3>my elder brothers Ed and Pete just found surfing, just

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<v Speaker 3>fell in love with surfing, and so we just tagged along.

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<v Speaker 3>And my introduction to surfing was sort of rapidly because

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<v Speaker 3>my brother Pete, he doesn't have any boundaries how many

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<v Speaker 3>years older. He is nine years older than me, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're the youngest on the youngest of five and.

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<v Speaker 3>So he just he's pretty much like, yeah, I'll take

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<v Speaker 3>his surfing and he get me out the back and

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<v Speaker 3>goes all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how it obviously works.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that, and he did that, like I speak

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<v Speaker 3>to his daughter and she's still haunted by I remember

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<v Speaker 3>this one day took her out snapper. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>three foot and she's like five years old and she's

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<v Speaker 3>on the front care he just laughs. But yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much how our introduction. And then from there though,

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<v Speaker 3>we moved after coughs after surfing a little bit, moved

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<v Speaker 3>back down to Campbelltown.

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<v Speaker 2>Classic surf breakout.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got more into skating at that time, but

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<v Speaker 3>my brother Ed was still so in love with surfing.

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<v Speaker 3>He would catch the train from Campbelltown to Woollongong or Manly,

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<v Speaker 3>depending on where you want to surf. And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen year old kid on the train with his surfboard

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<v Speaker 3>in the Western suburbs. Probably when it's that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that like a couple hour trip for anyone who.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's yeah and a half two hours, especially

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<v Speaker 2>like back then when it was probably like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like public transport.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't as frequent as what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't get an uber. My old man lived in Balmaina.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the same. He used to travel to Manly

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<v Speaker 2>every day so whenever me growing up, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't be bothered going surf, and he's like, I used

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<v Speaker 2>to get a bus and he's not eighty sixty. I

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<v Speaker 2>used to get a bus in the train and you're complaining.

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<v Speaker 2>You live down the road from you know, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best beaches in the world. So yeah, I can

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<v Speaker 2>definitely feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember was there a point or was it

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<v Speaker 1>something that just was gradual, that desire to be the best?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember going I want to be world champion?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was it just a case of wanting to be

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<v Speaker 1>better than your brothers?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? Or it was it just like fuck, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely wasn't that one. No, So it was I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I always wanted to be really good at something growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>I was into cross country running, I was into soccer,

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<v Speaker 3>and surfing was pretty much the last thing I would

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<v Speaker 3>do on the weekend after I did all those other things.

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<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't until like I was sewingto soccer. I

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<v Speaker 3>thought I was going to be a pro soccer player.

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<v Speaker 3>And we moved to the Gold Coast and it sort

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<v Speaker 3>of went to sign up at Palmis Soccer Club and

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<v Speaker 3>we actually went the wrong day. So I jump back

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<v Speaker 3>in the car all sad, and you know target.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you rock up? And there was just no one there?

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<v Speaker 2>How old were you at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>I was twelve?

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<v Speaker 2>So the competitive fire of you, I can't wait, especially

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<v Speaker 2>for a club like Palm Beach is a pretty big

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<v Speaker 2>club around here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how you missed that?

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<v Speaker 3>You?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your mum?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not too sure. I'm really not too sure. I

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<v Speaker 3>we were just thinking there'd be someone there. We thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was sign on, but it was just wasn't wasn't happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a similar thing but went to the wrong field,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't become a world I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>tell that story.

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<v Speaker 3>But then jumped in the car, went down to Deba

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<v Speaker 3>and my brother Sean was meeting up with the guys

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<v Speaker 3>from Quicksilver to get sponsored, and I just went surfing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I came in and remember Dang Taquino and Scott Peacock,

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<v Speaker 3>who were the Quicksilver guys at the time. They came

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<v Speaker 3>up to me and I was like, oh, you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>for my brother, and they're like, is that your brother?

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<v Speaker 3>And they're like, we'll sponsor you too, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, look, they just been watching you surf.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they were watching us both. And long story short,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't go back to soccer obviously, and just surfing just

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<v Speaker 3>took over.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you when you first get sponsored, what does

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<v Speaker 1>that look like. Is it a board and a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of money per week or.

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<v Speaker 2>Sticker at the front of the Yeah, he is the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thing, is the gramat because I know as a like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm what nine years younger than you, and like, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember seeing all you guys surfing with yes stickers on

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<v Speaker 2>the front. I was like, how do I get one

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<v Speaker 2>of those stickers on the front of my board? For sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to be sponsored, so heeps people to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>like me, I'm still pretending.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my first contract was five hundred dollars worth

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<v Speaker 3>of clothes sick and a winter wet suit and a

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<v Speaker 3>summer wet suit.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a fair whack at the time too.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, I had nothing from soccer.

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<v Speaker 2>How many stickers did you get?

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so that was pretty much here. And then

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<v Speaker 3>started at PBC pum Beach crumbin high school, and our

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<v Speaker 3>seat was pretty much consisted of all the best surface

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<v Speaker 3>in this area. So you know, I sat with Dean Morrison,

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Parkinson and there was a few other tough crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I just those two were destined to be

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<v Speaker 3>pro surfer and I was just like, well, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to do whatever they're doing so I can be pro

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<v Speaker 3>served too.

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<v Speaker 1>How was your mom at that point? Did she think

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<v Speaker 1>this is amazing, You've just been sponsored, this is your future?

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<v Speaker 3>Well Ed was sponsorible Billibong before Sean and ed were

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<v Speaker 3>just so in love with surfing, you know, great surfers.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was like, look, follow your dreams. If it

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<v Speaker 3>works out, it works out. If it doesn't, then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>go to school, get a real job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you have any backup plan at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, soccer roos mate didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>She was pretty adamant that we had to go to

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<v Speaker 3>school and keep learning. That was the one thing. But

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<v Speaker 3>then it was just like, follow your dreams. She was

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<v Speaker 3>always say that, follow your dreams. And she tells grandkids, now,

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<v Speaker 3>just go and follow your dreams. So crack. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>so that was pretty much it. We just we just

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<v Speaker 3>went for it. And you know, I sort of as

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<v Speaker 3>time went on. By the time I got to like

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<v Speaker 3>year eleven and twelve had contracts that I could live off.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, and you finished school all the

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<v Speaker 2>way through?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I left halfway through year twelve. I wanted to finish,

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<v Speaker 3>but they sure you did me. They told me if

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<v Speaker 3>I missed one more day of school, then I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>going to get my OP. So I was like, well, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're actually Micky and me. We're quite similar, not

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of athletic ability, but we're both kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I guess mummy boys. Would you call yourself that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Probably perfect?

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<v Speaker 2>Great, Yeah, Matt's one of five as well. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>middle child, so it's been nurtured.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the middle one.

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<v Speaker 1>But I never had I never had the alter ego though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you did, Gene.

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<v Speaker 1>When did that come out?

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<v Speaker 2>Who branded you with the alter ego Eugene?

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<v Speaker 3>My mate Ado Wiseman actually drew that one. Naughty Eugene.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that Eugene there?

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<v Speaker 3>That's naughty Eugene. Yeah. So yeah, what happened was I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't It was after Sean passed away. I didn't drink

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time. I shouldn't have been drinking anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>I was only seventeen, but I went down to his

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<v Speaker 3>twenty first birthday and got pretty drunk and he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen that side of you, and that was it.

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<v Speaker 3>He just goes that was like you were different persons.

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<v Speaker 3>Just called me Eugene and it just stuck. He's got

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<v Speaker 3>me into a bit of trouble over the years, so

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<v Speaker 3>I've sort of tried to tone him back and sort

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<v Speaker 3>of created another alter ego that I call McMuffin, who's

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit naughty.

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<v Speaker 2>Since becoming a dad. Do you think that Eugene suppressed

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<v Speaker 2>much more?

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<v Speaker 3>Surely? Oh for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Mc muffin comes out much more.

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<v Speaker 3>Becoming a dad. It's like kids don't have an off switch.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're hungover, it's game over. You might as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I do my best parenting.

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<v Speaker 3>I love him just sitting on the couch and just

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<v Speaker 3>sooking my way through a hangover. But yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really drink that often anymore, and if I do,

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<v Speaker 3>it's for a very special occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the last time Eugene made an appearance.

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<v Speaker 3>Four Yeah, it's probably about three weeks ago. Is he

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<v Speaker 3>still I left him there? Yeah, I woke up the

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<v Speaker 3>next day and hungover. Parenting was great.

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<v Speaker 2>It is brutal, isn't it. I Mean it's so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And like around that time, you would have been probably

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<v Speaker 2>just going into the ASP Tour was what it was

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<v Speaker 2>called then.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was younger. No, I was doing the Junior

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<v Speaker 3>Series at that stage, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>You won the Junior QS.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I never never actually won, Like the series always

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<v Speaker 3>was sort of like second or third mark and didn't go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the three that rivalry like friendly rivalry to the three.

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<v Speaker 2>I could imagine that when I surf now and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there and I see like a couple of grom's

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<v Speaker 2>all together coming out, I'm like, funk, I'm getting out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine over the years and the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>people looked in and went.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened.

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<v Speaker 3>If the three of us are out in the water,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bad day for everyone else. We're just paling

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<v Speaker 3>around each other, and we just turned into sharks where

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<v Speaker 3>we just freaking just ignore everyone else in the line.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just there to annoy the shit out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of earn the right around here or around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, all three of you. Really, you sort of

0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.760
<v Speaker 2>earned the right to be like mix here. Well you

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<v Speaker 2>can have this one mate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what was your rookie year? My rookie year

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<v Speaker 3>on tour was two thousand and two. Did the QS

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<v Speaker 3>going into that, but yeah, rookie year two thousand and two,

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<v Speaker 3>all three of us were on tour. I think Parker

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<v Speaker 3>got second in the world that year. I ended up fifth,

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<v Speaker 3>and Dingo didn't do that great.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get Rookie of the Year that year? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>first year, Yeah, amongst best surfer of the year. Australia

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<v Speaker 2>or was it the year.

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<v Speaker 3>After maybe a year after? Yeah, they sort of with

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<v Speaker 3>the Australian surfers of the year. It's it's like whoever's

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<v Speaker 3>on top of the.

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<v Speaker 1>On top when you had your rookie year. For the

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<v Speaker 1>older boys, did they welcome you with open arms or

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<v Speaker 1>is there like any level of initiation.

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<v Speaker 2>High school hazing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a bit of both. Really. It was funny. So

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<v Speaker 3>because there was the three of us, plus we had

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<v Speaker 3>Nathan Hedge as well, Yeah, Hoggie, Yeah, the whole we

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<v Speaker 3>sort of traveled as a pack and so it was

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<v Speaker 3>sort of we probably had more confidence than what we deserved.

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<v Speaker 3>But then we had like we had great people look

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<v Speaker 3>after us, like Mick lo bo Emin and Hockey looky

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<v Speaker 3>somebody old.

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<v Speaker 1>It just the done thing that the older boys will

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<v Speaker 1>like allow you to come under their wing, or is

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<v Speaker 1>it how does that work with the hierarchy of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's look after Mickey's how young were you at the time?

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<v Speaker 3>I was twenty turn twenty one that year? But no,

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<v Speaker 3>it was sort of more like those guys enjoyed a

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<v Speaker 3>beer and every time that they asked you if you

0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.880
<v Speaker 3>wanted to be say yes, yes. So we sort of

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<v Speaker 3>build that rapport over that. And plus we've known them

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time growing up through older brothers and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all the board riders and stuff as well, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember like, look it like board rder lineups,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just like, how do you compete with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Total?

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I mean the culture back then being ASP it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I mean we look at two and now

0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.720
<v Speaker 2>these athletes, right, they've sort of evolved from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of like hockey offering your beer, it's now it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a saue bowl straight to the gym, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>standing next to these guys, you're like, holy shit, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're built. So I do recall you had that injury

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<v Speaker 2>to your hamstring and then you sort of came back

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<v Speaker 2>with a different fire. And I always think when the

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<v Speaker 2>Brazilian storm came in as well, it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like all of a sudden, we can't be piss heads

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<v Speaker 2>anymore and we've got to start to train, and you

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<v Speaker 2>really focused on your training. It sort of led you

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<v Speaker 2>into much more of a competitive surf for the back

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<v Speaker 2>end of your career.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely. Yeah, So I tore my hamstringing off the

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<v Speaker 3>bone in two thousand and four. But before that, like mate,

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<v Speaker 3>I was having as much fun as anything else, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>early and he's single, having a great time around the

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<v Speaker 3>world as you would. Yeah, and then once I tore

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<v Speaker 3>my hamstring off the bar and I realized that I

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<v Speaker 3>was taking it for granted.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a reality check.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a big reality check. And it was the

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<v Speaker 3>first time, like pretty much from sixteen to twenty, things

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<v Speaker 3>just happened so fast, so we didn't even get a

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<v Speaker 3>break just to look at what we have achieved or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I had six months on the couch, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it was the first time I actually got to

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<v Speaker 3>learn about diet, learn about proper training and all these

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<v Speaker 3>different things. And probably the biggest thing was I watched

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<v Speaker 3>an old clip and it just I saw that I

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<v Speaker 3>was off and I could have won the heat. And

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<v Speaker 3>I remembered back and I was like, I was partying

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<v Speaker 3>two nights before, and I'm like, well, there it is.

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I had this huge guild over me, and that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I sort of just changed my whole thing where it

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<v Speaker 3>was just party at.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of it. So how are the boys then

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<v Speaker 1>when they're like, hey, make have a beer and You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>not for me, I'm having a green tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Please.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a bit weird to be honest at the start,

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<v Speaker 3>like because back then, because there was forty four guys

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<v Speaker 3>on tour, you would win your first teat and you'd

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<v Speaker 3>have the next day off, so it could have been

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<v Speaker 3>with the waiting period, it could have been that day,

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<v Speaker 3>it could have been three days off. So usually you'd

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<v Speaker 3>get eighteen guys go out and have a good time. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was really different that people would be like, come

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<v Speaker 3>have a beer and like, nah, I'm good, like and everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>You're okay, Like yeah, imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in those days too, like if you said you

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<v Speaker 3>weren't drinking, then there's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Something was wrong wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sort of became part of the culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, it was a bit different, but then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's time evolved and just started turning and just turning

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<v Speaker 3>Jim junkies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you think that, Like I mentioned the Brazilian

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<v Speaker 2>Storm with their injection into the tour because they're so

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<v Speaker 2>competitive and you see these guys on the tour now,

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<v Speaker 2>like Philip who just won Jefferies like last night, and

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<v Speaker 2>Gabe especially, and you spent some time with Gabe over

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<v Speaker 2>you rear, just through sponsorship and stuff, the drive and

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<v Speaker 2>the training, like he's got his own facility in Brazil

0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.480
<v Speaker 2>for young and upcoming surfers to get the right training.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that they brought on this complete new

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<v Speaker 2>generation of surfer.

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<v Speaker 3>I think like they're crazy, crazy talented, Like that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think also too, it's a hunger from where

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<v Speaker 3>they come from. A lot of them grew up with nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, as history goes, the kids that grew

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<v Speaker 3>up with nothing, the ones that go and just keep

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<v Speaker 3>fighting the Yeah, you talk to any of them and

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<v Speaker 3>asked where they come from, they're all the same. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The only way out was sport and winning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's either soccer or surfing, and so that's where

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<v Speaker 3>all their fire comes from. And then it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>I guess like for Gabe, Philippe and Italy they're all maids. Well,

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.080
<v Speaker 3>they grew up as mates, and then it all becomes

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<v Speaker 3>this thing where I'm not letting my mate beat me.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're fighting within them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, perpetuates.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it just keeps putting them into this different stratosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think we start to learn, you know, I

0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 3>think kids are starting to learn that they have to

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<v Speaker 3>create this grit or create this fire from somewhere and

0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 3>we're slowly seeing kids figure out what works what doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this year is as competitive as.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets, which yeah, it's crazy. I go like a

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<v Speaker 2>specific gym in Sydney and they're getting younger and younger

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<v Speaker 2>than guys that are coming because they're like, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to build this strength so I can do turns like

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<v Speaker 2>mc fanning did when you know, when he was on tour,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you know, these guys are doing massive hacks,

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to do that ring and wet at

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<v Speaker 2>thirty kilos, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So Yeah, it's sort of a funny one for me

0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 3>too though, because I want kids to enjoy surfing for

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<v Speaker 3>what it is, and that's you know, go and have

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<v Speaker 3>surf with your mates and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Not be so clinical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, such an expression of yourself too.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you convey that as a legend of the sport?

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of the gym?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's sort of a twofold sort of answer,

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<v Speaker 3>Like a lot of it was. When we were growing up,

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<v Speaker 3>Surfing wasn't seen as a career. It was just something

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<v Speaker 3>that you did and.

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<v Speaker 1>The five hundred bucks worth of clothes.

0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Right now, parents see that, Oh, these guys can go

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 3>and make lots of money and become you know, it's

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:28.200
<v Speaker 3>almost that soccer parent and so it's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's more I think it's more on the

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<v Speaker 3>parent side of things to be like, hey, you just

0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.200
<v Speaker 3>go have fun, you know, don't worry about this contest

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 3>or that contest. When you're twelve, it doesn't matter if

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.199
<v Speaker 3>you win or not, as long as you really enjoying it.

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.359
<v Speaker 3>And then as you get older, it's more about just

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<v Speaker 3>learning and experiences and you know, just creating childhood friendships

0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 3>that last for an eternity. So that's what I would say.

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<v Speaker 3>Once you get to a point when you're you know,

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere from like sixteen to eighteen, if you show promise,

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<v Speaker 3>then start inquiring about knuckling down.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always plenty of time in those teenage years to

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<v Speaker 2>have fun and then find some focus. I can just

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<v Speaker 2>see in ten years time, if we have this conversation again,

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to be standing on the beach in Xander's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be competing.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, I'll be whistling on the beach.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be at home on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look back at the three world championships. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of imagine it would be like a child trying to

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<v Speaker 1>pick your favorite. Is there one that stands out when

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<v Speaker 1>you're having those moments on the back porch having a drink,

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<v Speaker 1>and you think, oh, that one stands out bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>the others.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all really different, you know. The first one was

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<v Speaker 3>really I was in a world of unknown and it

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.480
<v Speaker 3>was a world of just trial and error and competing

0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 3>against icons of the sport Kelly Andy, Taj Parker. I

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.160
<v Speaker 3>was just trying to figure it out as it went,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just so focused on it that nothing

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<v Speaker 3>else came into my world. So that one was a

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.680
<v Speaker 3>bit different, but I was really proud of myself for

0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 3>figuring out a system. But then from there, two thousand

0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.640
<v Speaker 3>and nine was really different. In two thousand and eight,

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.359
<v Speaker 3>I felt like I had to sort of repay the

0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 3>people that supported me, so I sort of at that stage,

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't compete but also be a good friend or

0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.400
<v Speaker 3>a good brother or sister. So I sort of went

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.200
<v Speaker 3>the other way, and I was trying to learn how

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.719
<v Speaker 3>to juggle it all and yeah, just really wanting to,

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.800
<v Speaker 3>I guess, try and create a balance. And then two

0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 3>thousand and nine I felt like I had a really

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:45.639
<v Speaker 3>good balance. I could have a lot of fun with

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 3>my friends, but then I could always switch on and

0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 3>get back to work and competitive mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, was it pretty consistent with each of the three

0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.879
<v Speaker 1>that come down, like when you have the high of winning,

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:00.680
<v Speaker 1>does it last? To say each time?

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 3>Two thousand and seven was probably a bit more. I

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.880
<v Speaker 3>was probably more exhausted the other ones. It was sort

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 3>of just up to me putting pressure on myself that. Yeah,

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 3>I felt like the last one was more tradesmanlike where

0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 3>to be really honest, I doubted myself every time I

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 3>pad out for a height, like I'm not winning this,

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not winning that, I'm not good enough, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're getting older or what was?

0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was older and just you know, talking about

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.160
<v Speaker 3>the new kids that were coming through. You had Gabe,

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.199
<v Speaker 3>you had John John, and you had all these kids

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.600
<v Speaker 3>that just were just doing incredible things.

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine how Kelly Slater feels having to go

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 2>three or four different times, the changing of the gut.

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 2>But he's still there.

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 3>And I say it all the time, I'm glad I quit.

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 2>That's stressful.

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 3>And so you're all really really different. But as you said,

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:55.919
<v Speaker 3>they're like different children.

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I suppose like retirement. You're retired in twenty eighteen,

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 2>do you feel that you were at your peak performance?

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>How do you think you would go today and look

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.120
<v Speaker 2>be as modest as you like in a Jeffrey's Bay

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 2>heat today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Look, you know for places, there's some places on

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 3>tour that are still surf traditionally, and Jbay is one

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 3>of them. Pipeline Choku like those ones are ones that

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.400
<v Speaker 3>are still surf traditional style of surfing like I look at.

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I won't talk about myself, but watching guys like Parker,

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Andy and Kelly, like Kelly in his prime would still

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 3>still believable.

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.199
<v Speaker 2>There's a reason he's got so many world titles. Just

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>not a fluke. Levin's not a fluke.

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 3>He was this world.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Micky, we had the privilege of meeting your

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 1>wife before we started recording. I did have a little

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>look at your social media and it just seems like

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:01.400
<v Speaker 1>you guys are so picture pertect.

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>From the Bachelor, so we all got to watch their

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.640
<v Speaker 2>whole love unfold.

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>He rivals it. I think that there was like a

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Mister Universe competition for couples.

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Up top Husband of the Year mate.

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Where did you guys meet? How did you guys come together?

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? It was funny. We sort of met by mutual

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 3>friends and yeah, I met in the States and it

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 3>was just a weird one best play, so explain It

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 3>was I had a friend and she had a friend

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.479
<v Speaker 3>and they hooked up and then she came over to

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 3>pick up her friend. You know, so she didn't have tom.

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>That was a morning meet up. You actually met in

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:45.399
<v Speaker 2>the morning.

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you walked in and I didn't meet her

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 3>the night before, but we had all been put on

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 3>the same table and I was just I was just Eugene.

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 3>And then she walked in wearing my jacket. I was like, whoa,

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 3>that's a bit friend h and but she just picked

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 3>it up.

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 3>I guess someone stole her jacket. And you have a jacket.

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 3>My mom goes mixed gun home.

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Just take his jacket, he doesn't need it.

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how quickly do you drop in? I am a

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>three time world champion, So is that not at all?

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Not at all? What about a nine times austraie that's perfect?

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So yeah, really sort of a random meeting.

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't it always like it's not always the case

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 2>your case is not yours was completely public and on

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>TV for everyone to see.

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Should we talk about it?

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 2>They put you in a room together. But yeah, it's crazy.

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like a friend of a friend and like just

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 2>a chance meeting. And now you know, you've got obviously

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful home, a beautiful son, and you've got married.

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>And at what point were you thinking, maybe I will

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 1>have kids, maybe I won't, because you know, were you

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 1>in your mid to late thirties at that point.

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. I had a marriage breakdown before,

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 3>and so I was like, I'm just gonna just sail

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 3>off in the same seat and be a nomad. And

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 3>then yeah, when I met bre we just stayed in

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 3>touch and kept talking and she one day she was

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 3>visiting out from the States and she's like, I want

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.679
<v Speaker 3>to move to Australia. I was like, really cool.

0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>How long have you guys been together for?

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 3>At that point it's probably I think it was like

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 3>a second or third time she was out here.

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but we'd caught up a fair bit because she

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 3>was just living around the corner for my best mate

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 3>as well in the States, so we caught up a

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 3>fair bit and then from there it was like all right,

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 3>but then you sort of just you just see how

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 3>things go, like you don't put any pressure on it.

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>And then one day we're just sort of talking and

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 3>it was like, well, you know, would you want kids?

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Do you want kids? And we're both like, yeah, let's

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 3>let's have kids. Off we go then, and so that

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Speaker 3>was pretty much it, and we saw of selected like

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 3>a time frame that we wanted to start trying, and

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 3>bre wanted to get her body right for having kids

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that.

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>And then it's very mature. Yeah, getting a very mature

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 2>thing to get your body right to do anything that kids.

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>You dropped aneat when you were doing a photo shoot

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>for the pregnancy. How much planning went into that moment?

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh, this was such a funny day. I sort of

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 3>came out at two different angles where we went in

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 3>for our first scan, and so its.

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Nerve wracking scans awesome.

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I was saying that every.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Scan I got motion sickness from the heartbeat.

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Oh, I'm so stoked to be a

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 3>part of it. But yeah, and so I was sitting there,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 3>I was like, hey, we've got to do a photo

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 3>and you know, we've got to let it out into

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the world so you know, someone else doesn't break the

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 3>news or something like that. So I had my mate

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 3>staying with us at the time, Corey Wilson, and I'm like,

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 3>let's go do a photo shoot. Once we knew that

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 3>she was pregnant, I was the right thing to do

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 3>is propose and.

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Lock it down.

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're in the States at the time. I ordered

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 3>the ring. The ring was pretty much right next to

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 3>the whole flight home. She didn't know anything.

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>That's the best want to do it?

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Were you like in your pocket on you?

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>I gave it to my mate, Corey and having.

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 1>His bag fresher on Corey, Yeah, I don't lose my

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>ring there.

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>And so we got home and I was like, look,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 3>we've got to go do this photo shoot and been

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 3>raining forever to She's like, I've got nothing to wear.

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>I've got none of this. I don't feel pretty, and

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, just put anything on it.

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>My hand stopped storming.

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:45.920
<v Speaker 3>But we had an appointment and we're driving home. She

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 3>we're not doing photos today. I'm like, we've got it.

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 3>You gotta got nothing to wear, and I'm like I

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 3>was just thinking, how am I going to do this,

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 3>and so I got Corey in and Corey's like, no,

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I wear that. That's beautiful. It looks amazing. It looks

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 3>so good.

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Is Coley like a fashionable guy?

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Was?

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Are you just like just it's just pushed this as

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>like a yes thing?

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, he photo shoots, he gets great.

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 2>He's a really good photographer.

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if he's dressing the boy.

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 3>So we went down the beach and then sure enough

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 3>sun comes out. I'm like, we've got to go. We've

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 3>got to go. We've got to go do it and

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 3>say we're doing the photos.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to know like to do it now, Wait,

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>how honest were you nervous?

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 3>I was nervous. I think it's all men are.

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Such a nervous like similar to I actually went to

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>the States to propose and with my now wife and

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I hit it. The ring on me the whole time

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I had it tucked into my underpants and one dage

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>she put her arm around me. She never touches me.

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know this instant she decided to touch me.

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Missed it by about that and I was honestly just

0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 2>packing nuggets for like days on the lead up. She

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, you get to that moment the sun's out,

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Cory's got the camera.

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Out, and she said something like it's going to be

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 3>so fun all of us together. And I was like, well,

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 3>why don't we make it official? And she's like what

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 3>And I just pulled it out of my pocket and

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>giving me goosebumps.

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, flashbacks.

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 3>It was crazy though, and it was like it was

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 3>the first beach I had taken her to in Australia and.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the sun came out of dolphins, that's already seen.

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what it was like that very first

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>moment that you got to hold Xander.

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was incredible. As you go through the birth,

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 3>you're hearing noises that you've never heard your partner ever make,

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 3>and this and that this is this is like it's primal.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's pretty intense. It's pretty intense.

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I found it so beautiful. And then we

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 3>didn't find out if it was going to be a

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 3>boy or a girl. We just went for it.

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Did you have any preference or we're like I.

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Wanted a boy and Bree thought it was a boy

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 3>the whole time, and I was like, well, if it's

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 3>not a boy, I've got to really sit down and

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, talk to myself. And I had a week

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 3>where I was like coaching myself through it, and so

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I was so pumped either way in the end. And

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>then when he came out and I picked him up,

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 3>and the obstrics like, I want you check out what

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 3>it is, and I just like picked him up. I

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 3>never even used before.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I always I always thought they would say, like they

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>would announce it in the room because maybe it's a

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 1>new thing now. They kind of because I didn't know either,

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and they kind of just said, you go check. I

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>always thought they would like call it.

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Out like the PA at the hospital.

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Girl, Yeah, I guess it's in your birth plan, right,

0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 3>And like that moment where you go skin to skin

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 3>with you, look, there is no other moment like it

0:32:59.160 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 3>until you do it again.

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not a special as this time. That's not true.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>That moment is Yeah, like I said, there's nothing else

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>like it. Do you think you'll have another kid? Are

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>you planning on?

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have talked about it. We're always plan or

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 3>not plan, but it's definitely in the pipeline. Would love

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 3>to but you know when that happens.

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>When that happens, it happens. Yeah, that was like similar, assid.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 2>When my wife decides it's going to happen, it's going

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to happen.

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 3>That's usually.

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>When we became dads. We always joke about some of

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the changes that started to happen, Like for me, I

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden really liked lawn grass, became obsessed,

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 1>started walking with my hands behind my back.

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Are you sneezers louder now that you're a dad?

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I've always been a loud sneezer?

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Any dad tendencies that have started to creep in after

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Xander arrived.

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I wear a man bag now just to make sure

0:33:55.400 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 3>that I've got all the gear, Yeah, like a dad bag, Yeah,

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 3>just because I couldn't carry a big old handbag.

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 3>So I just got a couple of that piece And

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 3>have you had to add a couple of leaders to

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 3>your surfboards?

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Now?

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 1>He looks, he looks anything, how dare you suggest? Well,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>well you did mention you had pancakes for breakfast this morning,

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>getting away with that.

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Gluten free dawn. That's the trick is that he definitely changed,

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 3>like especially being an athlete and I just come out

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:38.800
<v Speaker 3>of knee surgery.

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm stabbing the dark. That's right with Dane. Yeah, So

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Dane Reynolds is up there for me.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 3>So I was working pretty hard and for me it

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.839
<v Speaker 3>was more just my selfishness just had to go out

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 3>of the window. That's probably the big and the biggest

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 3>thing is like, you know, when I want to get

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.439
<v Speaker 3>go to sleep in like this morning for instance, got

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 3>busy days, so it's like, well, you're going to get

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 3>up on dark and go surfing. Yeah, it doesn't matter

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 3>what the waves like, you're going.

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 2>That's the only time you get to go.

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise you sort of get you get down.

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>They pog you down. These kids, you got two of them.

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Hang the surfboards up, mate. Serious.

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 1>One of the hard things though, when you've just come

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>out of childbirth as parents is that it's such a rollercoaster.

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>You had this really intense high where like I remember

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 1>being in tears holding my daughter for the first time,

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and then the reality of parenting really creeps in. You know,

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you've got sleepless nights, You've got this baby that's crying.

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>You have no idea what's wrong with it because you're

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure it out. Was there any part of

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 1>having a newborn that you thought, shit, this is so

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 1>much harder than I thought.

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 3>No, Like I guess, traveling the world all the time,

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 3>I was always used to the jetlag. This is a

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 3>different kind of jetlag because if you sleep an extra minute,

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>then it could be the death of your child, so

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 3>you've got to get up. But that's how I sort

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 3>of looked at it. But Breeze just so across everything,

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 3>and she was just just so well read and so

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 3>ready to be a mom.

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Did you do the parenting classes?

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 3>I did, good boy. Yeah we did hypno birthing.

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>In person or during COVID, she would have been pre.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Through cod Birthing is all about breathing and just you know,

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 3>talking about the woman's body is made perfectly for the baby.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>When you're in the class, what's your role? They go

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to sleep.

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Exactly old serving and always come back and towards the

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 3>end of the class every time they would do it

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 3>like a meditation. It's all that's.

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I can see Matt picturing as the guy goes and

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you're back in the room.

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Just the heavy breathing coming from the corner where Micase.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Guys he's a world Champion's funny.

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 3>It's just Yeah, it's just all about positive reinforcement. Yeah,

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 3>but was was a warrior through birth. She would be

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.920
<v Speaker 3>asleep in between contractions. That's about as she was.

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was like I always thought that I could

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 3>get in the zone like being.

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Did she get the drugs not? Oh my gosh.

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 3>She was incredible And we had to, you know, start going, hey,

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 3>you got to start moving.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, she just really zened out on that.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 3>She was gone.

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild, isn't it. Guys have got it so

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>damn good.

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>But the hardest thing I had to do was I

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:41.359
<v Speaker 1>missed out of my.

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Have you have you ever zipped a fly up on

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the old fellow? Mate? We don't have.

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 3>So Xander's three now will be three next month.

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.319
<v Speaker 1>And how do you find the terrible two's and the

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 1>toddler versus a newborn newborn?

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Like everyone says it's going to get is he? It's

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 3>such a lie.

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 2>The ship thing about being a new dad or a

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 2>new parent is that they go after three months, there's

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>so much better than it's like, after six months, there's

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>so much better. When does it end? It's always changed

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.480
<v Speaker 2>before and it's like, oh, sometimes I look at ask

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh my god, why why are you

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>making a mess on the fucking floor.

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Just gotta let go.

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 1>What's he into at the moment.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 3>He loves just cartoons, trucks and just swords. I swear

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 3>he's like a Nina or a warrior from past life

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 3>because he just gets a sword or he turns anything

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 3>into a sword and just wax and.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Keep him away from that knife, draw mane.

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>He knows not to touch night if he puts Baby

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Shark on and you're like, turn.

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Off, traumatized from the baby Shark.

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty good. I don't really I don't really get

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:54.799
<v Speaker 3>two PHAs on all that sort of stuff, Like my

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 3>I haven't listened to my music or a podcast or

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 3>in the car forever because it's either an email or

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 3>Mickey Mouse.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Ye Wiggles or cocoa melon.

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 3>We don't do coco melon. Coca melon is a problem.

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, But once they get like hooked in,

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you can't get them up. Look, honestly, we always talk

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>about this on the podcast that YouTube is the best

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>parent at that age because it's just like they just

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you get so much done when they're.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Do you find that your parenting style is similar to

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that of your mum or how you were raised.

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.399
<v Speaker 3>I think if Bree wasn't around, it would be. But

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Bree's just so calm and so patient, and she's taught

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.799
<v Speaker 3>me so much, like, you know, stop crying, there's nothing

0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 3>cried out. Let's go. She would talk through it and

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 3>this and that. So I'm learning and we're just sort

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 3>of we're doing like a challenge and you have to

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 3>read a self help book and I'm reading a parenting book.

0:39:57.600 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>What can you teach us to teach?

0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Just patience?

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Both of us can't read unless it's like video phim.

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 3>It's more about just listening and be patient. Like that's

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 3>the most I'm getting out of this is that kids

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 3>and toddlers don't have any sense of time. They just

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 3>act on what's in front of them. And as adults

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.000
<v Speaker 3>and parents, we sort of act and react around time.

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 3>So it's it's like, all right, we've got to go,

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 3>We've got to do this, We've got to do that,

0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 3>where they just think, I don't care what you gotta do.

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, working on my time, Yeah.

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.919
<v Speaker 3>I want to watch more. I want to keep playing. Yeah.

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>And we always in our house, we're always like you know,

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 2>when we talk about oh, you know, one more minute,

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 2>five more minutes, Oscar. Now he would just be like,

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 2>has no idea what five minutes means. But if I

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 2>say get off there about five more minutes, give a

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 2>shit either. Yeah, they're just in their own in their

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>own world.

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>One thing that a lot of people say to me

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>with two girls, and they're both pretty wild even at

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 1>four and two, is that when they're teenagers, it's going

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to be really tricky for yourself. And I thought, as

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>someone who's got the old ego eugene, what would be

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the best way to parent a eugene? Like, if my

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.319
<v Speaker 1>children have their old egos, how should I manage that?

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh? You just tell them just be careful and learn

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 3>from your mistakes.

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>That's sound solid advice. That was like when you got

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 2>in trouble as a youngster with your mum, how would

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 2>she react? What sort of mum was she when you

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 2>were doing the wrong thing?

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 3>It depends if if we came and told her that

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 3>we did the wrong thing.

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>And would you be honest and tell her.

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, wow, I hid everything from Yeah.

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 3>It was just more of the fact that should look

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 3>at it and just go, well, was that the right

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 3>thing to do?

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>And we're like not very self reflective.

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but then there would other times if she caught

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 3>us in the act, then we'll get a slap in

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 3>the head.

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>She's got both sides covered.

0:41:55.640 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Look, it's one of those things. It's like, you know,

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:02.840
<v Speaker 3>I think parenting is sort of almost like if you

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 3>tell your mate, I don't do that, stop carrying on,

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Like if they had a couple of beers or whatever,

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 3>they just don't want to do it more totally. And

0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's what kids are like, so you

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 3>just go with it. Yeah, keep going on the floor.

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 2>On the floor.

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 1>We put the call out to the listeners for any

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 1>questions to ask yourself, and I'm not making this up.

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 1>One of the most common questions was as a parent,

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>have you ever been shut on? Have you had to

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>deal with the poon army from the baby?

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, yeah. The video just came up the other

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 3>day because I had to fly away and Breathe was

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 3>showing the baby videos and his favorite video now is

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 3>watching himself shot on me.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Was it at home though?

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Safe you please?

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? He went all up me. Oh and then he

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 3>started pissing on me too, just sitting there filming the

0:42:57.800 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 3>whole there's nothing.

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing that for that too. You're like, holy shit.

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Laterally, yeah, I'm not a germaphobe or anything like that,

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 3>but when it's all over, you're just like, can I

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 3>get some help? Yeah, you're just sitting there.

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Last take this child off me. It's crazy, Like I

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 2>feel like everyone's got a shit on story. Like it's

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>just one of those things. It's becomes part of parenting,

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>one thing that you've sort of done to us and

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>to other dads. You set the bar really high with

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the when your kid grows up and it's like, my

0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 2>dad's stronger than your dad. Your son's always got that. Well,

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 2>my dad punched a shark, so thank you for that.

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.760
<v Speaker 3>I've actually just been talking about that recently just because

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Jay has been on. But funny story, I walked into

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 3>daycare one day and he's like, my dad punched shark.

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, he said it, you're already onto it

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 3>he said it. I'm like, who the hell told him that?

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Because I hadn't spoken to him about it. And then

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I was like, did you tell him the story or whatever?

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 3>And she's like, oh, sorry, sure you do it. And

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 3>then and then he forgot about it and then just

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 3>recently was sort of been talking about it, and he's like,

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.439
<v Speaker 3>in fact, he's got a little stuff shark and no

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 3>way and he hit me in the head, and you're like,

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 3>and I talked about it, and I was like, but

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't tell him that, you know, I don't look

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 3>at that punch. Sorry got dominated by shark. But I

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 3>telled him that I got hit in the head by

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 3>a shark. And he's like, oh, yeah, my dad, and

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 3>he will go and tell everyone just big shark comes along.

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>There any daycare teacher. He's not familiar with your story.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd like, Xander, that's not true. People don't get hit

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<v Speaker 1>in the head with shark.

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<v Speaker 2>It is looking up. That's true. It's funny because I

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<v Speaker 2>said to my son last night, I left so early

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. I was like, I'm going away tomorrow. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be here, trying to tell him why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be here, So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>meet somebody punched a shark his face because he's obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with like he's got these toy sharks. He just couldn't believe,

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<v Speaker 2>like because couldn't quite comprehend it. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot for a four year old for a

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<v Speaker 1>four year old, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We were with Jbay just finishing up yesterday and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'll just have a look at the past

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<v Speaker 2>winners of the comp as you do, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>obviously goes through the list of winners and it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>on Wikipedia. I don't know if you've seen it on Wikipedia,

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<v Speaker 2>it's twenty fifteen where the winner is it says shark.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, true, technically it did win. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to abandon it. But I was just like, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's got You've gone back the next year, And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously I do vividly remember watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>You winning.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the whole country was behind you, which

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy, but yeah, I don't know how many people

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<v Speaker 2>would have been jeering on that shark that day winning,

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<v Speaker 2>Jbay are crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see the footage just on Nathan Florence?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the one following, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much what happened in mine. So they'd come up

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<v Speaker 3>from the bottom of the point and go all the

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<v Speaker 3>way out, Yeah, and they're just cruising like they're not

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<v Speaker 3>there to eat, They're just there to they commute.

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, in twenty sixteen, the same the year after

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<v Speaker 2>they had to stop the comp that I remember, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were following a massive great white like it was

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<v Speaker 2>just exactly a year later. It's like that time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>It must be very Yeah, I've never been to South Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's like that all the time, but how

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<v Speaker 2>we see it that one time a year and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember this jet ski following it up vividly, remember how

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<v Speaker 2>big it was next to this jet ski, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it's just happened again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>It is wild, like it's one of those places, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I had it happened to me, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was twenty seventeen. I was in a heat with

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<v Speaker 3>Gabe Medina and I was getting flogged. I saw the

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<v Speaker 3>skis starting to come towards us, which is said, is

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<v Speaker 3>that ja And I saw him coming. I'm like, please, please,

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<v Speaker 3>where's a set? Where's a set? Where's a set? Because

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to It was towards the end of the heat. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>you like, get Gabe and I think, just let me

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<v Speaker 3>catch away and go in so I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to be a Brazilian barbecue.

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<v Speaker 3>But got us on the I'm just just take me in.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting combat.

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<v Speaker 2>He's done like four eras I was just.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying I have to do more media and crap.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's last thing I want to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>I know your your time is precious. You've got a

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<v Speaker 1>busy day, So I just want to say thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for sitting down with Ashing myself. I still

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how I do it, how you've done this,

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<v Speaker 1>how he's managed to lock you in, But it's best

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<v Speaker 1>if I just don't ask questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't ask questions.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate your time connection somehow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just on the back of that, Yeah, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for having us sitting down and chat with us.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a career, dad, retirement, all that stuff. Letting

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<v Speaker 2>me give you my favorite movie of yours and you

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<v Speaker 2>can ferish forever.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're missing any possessions from your house, it definitely

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't us count your cutlery drawer. No, we appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've enjoyed this episode, of course, give us

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<v Speaker 1>a follow review, hey five stars if you want, and

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<v Speaker 1>let us know if there's any other doting dads or

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<v Speaker 1>mums that you would like us to interview. And Ash,

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, we should probably get out of here, absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>go for serve.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, Mat appreciate it, guys enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Mu,