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Speaker 1: Welcome back to three doting dads. I'm Maddie Jay, I'm Ash,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Mick Fanning. And normally this podcast is purely

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Speaker 1: just about parenting, the highs, the lows, the relatability, and

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Speaker 1: no advice.

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Speaker 2: No, usually we don't offer any advice.

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Speaker 1: But I reckon this one's going to be a little

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Speaker 1: bit different.

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Speaker 2: B Maybe some life advice, maybe some paddle advice, how

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Speaker 2: to surf better, maybe for Matt, not for me. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I could take the feedback.

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Speaker 3: Nick.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to say, firstly, thank you for welcoming us

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Speaker 1: into your house on the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful, and like all good guests, we have

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Speaker 2: brought you something to say thank you.

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Speaker 1: It would be rude if we came empty handed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not scary, it's all good. When I

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Speaker 2: was growing up, me and my friends used to watch

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Speaker 2: a movie if you was called Fanning the Fire beautiful,

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Speaker 2: and we used to I was saying to Matt, we

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Speaker 2: used to have one of those. My dad's a medical

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Speaker 2: rep used to be medical rep, and it used to

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Speaker 2: have like a small TV that you got from a

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Speaker 2: doctor surgery that had a VHS in it that you

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Speaker 2: could slow mow it down. We should to slow mow

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Speaker 2: it down when you were hitting the lip or whatever.

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Speaker 2: See if we could pick up some techniques. So I've

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Speaker 2: managed to get hold of a VHS of fanning the

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Speaker 2: fire for you and Maddie and I on the inside

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Speaker 2: have just said thanks for having us signed it off

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Speaker 2: for you to do what you want with it, but again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for having us. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: When we started the podcast, we had a bit of

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Speaker 1: a list. We didn't really think we'd have that many guests,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, we thought it would.

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Speaker 2: Just be Ash and myself talking shit.

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Speaker 1: And we put a list together who would we like

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Speaker 1: on the podcast and your name was thrown out as

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Speaker 1: one of the top shelf guests and Ash said, leave

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Speaker 1: it with me. I'm going to do some work and

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I gave him about a five percent chair.

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Speaker 1: I'm locking in this interview. I thought, if ever there

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Speaker 1: was someone who's being pulled pillart a post for requests

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Speaker 1: on podcasts, it would be yourself.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I look, I connected some dots. Thankfully. I

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Speaker 2: met Sam, so shout out to Sam, who's a great guy,

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Speaker 2: and I said, have you got can you help me out?

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Speaker 2: Obviously he's managed to connect us, and yeah, thank you

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Speaker 2: for inviting us to your house, because I mean I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want us in your house, but.

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Speaker 3: Some different people.

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Speaker 2: Here we are, so those of you are listening, just

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Speaker 2: a little bit of an introduction for Mick. He's a

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Speaker 2: three time world champion. Here's a nine time Australian Surfer

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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 1: Is it nine times?

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Speaker 3: It is?

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Speaker 2: You? Look?

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Pretends I wanted that many times.

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Speaker 1: I stopped counting when I got to five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitely nine I've done. There was

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Speaker 2: conflicting articles, but it's nine. You single, as I say,

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Speaker 2: you carried a generation of Australian surfers on your back

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Speaker 2: for a very long time and definitely one of my

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Speaker 2: growing up watching obviously Fanning White Lightning as we call

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Speaker 2: you in my household, just shred. So thank you for

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Speaker 2: having us.

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Speaker 1: I think the most surprising thing when we were doing

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Speaker 1: some research into you, If anyone who's not familiar, you're

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Speaker 1: originally from Penrith. So how does a boy from Penrith

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Speaker 1: become a world champion surfer? Do you remember your first

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, so to answer your question, how to

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Speaker 3: So my parents separated when I was pretty young and

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Speaker 3: we moved to CoP's Harbor with my dad and we

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Speaker 3: And my introduction to surfing was sort of rapidly because

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Speaker 2: So you're the youngest on the youngest of five and.

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Speaker 3: So he just he's pretty much like, yeah, I'll take

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Speaker 3: So that's that, and he did that, like I speak

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Speaker 3: to his daughter and she's still haunted by I remember

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Speaker 3: So I got more into skating at that time, but

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Speaker 2: You couldn't get an uber. My old man lived in Balmaina.

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Speaker 2: You live down the road from you know, one of

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Speaker 1: Do you remember was there a point or was it

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Speaker 1: something that just was gradual, that desire to be the best?

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Speaker 1: Do you remember going I want to be world champion?

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Speaker 2: Sorry? Or it was it just like fuck, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't until like I was sewingto soccer. I

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Speaker 1: Did you rock up? And there was just no one there?

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Speaker 2: So the competitive fire of you, I can't wait, especially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how you missed that?

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Speaker 3: I'm not too sure. I'm really not too sure. I

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Speaker 2: I did a similar thing but went to the wrong field,

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Speaker 3: But then jumped in the car, went down to Deba

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Speaker 3: And they're like, we'll sponsor you too, and I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, look, they just been watching you surf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were watching us both. And long story short,

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Speaker 1: So when you when you first get sponsored, what does

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Speaker 2: Sticker at the front of the Yeah, he is the

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Speaker 2: remember seeing all you guys surfing with yes stickers on

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Speaker 3: I think my first contract was five hundred dollars worth

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Speaker 3: But yeah, so that was pretty much here. And then

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Speaker 1: How was your mom at that point? Did she think

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Speaker 3: Well Ed was sponsorible Billibong before Sean and ed were

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Speaker 2: So I was like, and you finished school all the

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Speaker 3: No? I left halfway through year twelve. I wanted to finish,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually Micky and me. We're quite similar, not

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Speaker 1: in terms of athletic ability, but we're both kind of

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Speaker 1: I guess mummy boys. Would you call yourself that?

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Speaker 3: Shit, happens.

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Speaker 1: The end of it. So how are the boys then

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 3: It was a bit weird to be honest at the start,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just keeps putting them into this different stratosphere.

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Speaker 3: But I think we start to learn, you know, I

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Speaker 3: So Yeah, it's sort of a funny one for me

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Speaker 1: Not be so clinical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, such an expression of yourself too.

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Speaker 1: How do you convey that as a legend of the sport?

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Speaker 3: that last for an eternity. So that's what I would say.

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00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 3: Once you get to a point when you're you know,

444
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: anywhere from like sixteen to eighteen, if you show promise,

445
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 3: then start inquiring about knuckling down.

446
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: There's always plenty of time in those teenage years to

447
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 2: have fun and then find some focus. I can just

448
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: see in ten years time, if we have this conversation again,

449
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: You're going to be standing on the beach in Xander's

450
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: going to be competing.

451
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 3: You're like.

452
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: That, I'll be whistling on the beach.

453
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 3: I'll be at home on the internet.

454
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: When you look back at the three world championships. Kind

455
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: of imagine it would be like a child trying to

456
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: pick your favorite. Is there one that stands out when

457
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: you're having those moments on the back porch having a drink,

458
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: and you think, oh, that one stands out bigger than

459
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:44,719
Speaker 1: the others.

460
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,479
Speaker 3: They're all really different, you know. The first one was

461
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 3: really I was in a world of unknown and it

462
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: was a world of just trial and error and competing

463
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 3: against icons of the sport Kelly Andy, Taj Parker. I

464
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 3: was just trying to figure it out as it went,

465
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 3: and I was just so focused on it that nothing

466
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: else came into my world. So that one was a

467
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: bit different, but I was really proud of myself for

468
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 3: figuring out a system. But then from there, two thousand

469
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 3: and nine was really different. In two thousand and eight,

470
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: I felt like I had to sort of repay the

471
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: people that supported me, so I sort of at that stage,

472
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: I couldn't compete but also be a good friend or

473
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 3: a good brother or sister. So I sort of went

474
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 3: the other way, and I was trying to learn how

475
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 3: to juggle it all and yeah, just really wanting to,

476
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: I guess, try and create a balance. And then two

477
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 3: thousand and nine I felt like I had a really

478
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,639
Speaker 3: good balance. I could have a lot of fun with

479
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: my friends, but then I could always switch on and

480
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 3: get back to work and competitive mindset.

481
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it pretty consistent with each of the three

482
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: that come down, like when you have the high of winning,

483
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: does it last? To say each time?

484
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: Two thousand and seven was probably a bit more. I

485
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 3: was probably more exhausted the other ones. It was sort

486
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: of just up to me putting pressure on myself that. Yeah,

487
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: I felt like the last one was more tradesmanlike where

488
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: to be really honest, I doubted myself every time I

489
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: pad out for a height, like I'm not winning this,

490
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm not winning that, I'm not good enough, Like.

491
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: Because you're getting older or what was?

492
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was older and just you know, talking about

493
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: the new kids that were coming through. You had Gabe,

494
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 3: you had John John, and you had all these kids

495
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: that just were just doing incredible things.

496
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: I can't imagine how Kelly Slater feels having to go

497
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 2: three or four different times, the changing of the gut.

498
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: But he's still there.

499
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: And I say it all the time, I'm glad I quit.

500
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: That's stressful.

501
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: And so you're all really really different. But as you said,

502
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 3: they're like different children.

503
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose like retirement. You're retired in twenty eighteen,

504
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: do you feel that you were at your peak performance?

505
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: How do you think you would go today and look

506
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: be as modest as you like in a Jeffrey's Bay

507
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: heat today.

508
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, you know for places, there's some places on

509
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: tour that are still surf traditionally, and Jbay is one

510
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: of them. Pipeline Choku like those ones are ones that

511
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: are still surf traditional style of surfing like I look at.

512
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: I won't talk about myself, but watching guys like Parker,

513
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: Andy and Kelly, like Kelly in his prime would still

514
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: still believable.

515
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: There's a reason he's got so many world titles. Just

516
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: not a fluke. Levin's not a fluke.

517
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: He was this world.

518
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Micky, we had the privilege of meeting your

519
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: wife before we started recording. I did have a little

520
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: look at your social media and it just seems like

521
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: you guys are so picture pertect.

522
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: From the Bachelor, so we all got to watch their

523
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: whole love unfold.

524
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: He rivals it. I think that there was like a

525
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: Mister Universe competition for couples.

526
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: Up top Husband of the Year mate.

527
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: Where did you guys meet? How did you guys come together?

528
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was funny. We sort of met by mutual

529
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: friends and yeah, I met in the States and it

530
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 3: was just a weird one best play, so explain It

531
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: was I had a friend and she had a friend

532
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 3: and they hooked up and then she came over to

533
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: pick up her friend. You know, so she didn't have tom.

534
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: That was a morning meet up. You actually met in

535
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: the morning.

536
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you walked in and I didn't meet her

537
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 3: the night before, but we had all been put on

538
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: the same table and I was just I was just Eugene.

539
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: And then she walked in wearing my jacket. I was like, whoa,

540
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: that's a bit friend h and but she just picked

541
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: it up.

542
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

543
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: I guess someone stole her jacket. And you have a jacket.

544
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: My mom goes mixed gun home.

545
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: Just take his jacket, he doesn't need it.

546
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, how quickly do you drop in? I am a

547
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: three time world champion, So is that not at all?

548
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Not at all? What about a nine times austraie that's perfect?

549
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? So yeah, really sort of a random meeting.

550
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it always like it's not always the case

551
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: your case is not yours was completely public and on

552
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: TV for everyone to see.

553
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: Should we talk about it?

554
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: They put you in a room together. But yeah, it's crazy.

555
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: It's like a friend of a friend and like just

556
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: a chance meeting. And now you know, you've got obviously

557
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: a beautiful home, a beautiful son, and you've got married.

558
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: And at what point were you thinking, maybe I will

559
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: have kids, maybe I won't, because you know, were you

560
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: in your mid to late thirties at that point.

561
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I had a marriage breakdown before,

562
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: and so I was like, I'm just gonna just sail

563
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: off in the same seat and be a nomad. And

564
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: then yeah, when I met bre we just stayed in

565
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: touch and kept talking and she one day she was

566
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: visiting out from the States and she's like, I want

567
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: to move to Australia. I was like, really cool.

568
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: How long have you guys been together for?

569
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: At that point it's probably I think it was like

570
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: a second or third time she was out here.

571
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

572
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we'd caught up a fair bit because she

573
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: was just living around the corner for my best mate

574
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: as well in the States, so we caught up a

575
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 3: fair bit and then from there it was like all right,

576
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: but then you sort of just you just see how

577
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: things go, like you don't put any pressure on it.

578
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: And then one day we're just sort of talking and

579
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: it was like, well, you know, would you want kids?

580
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: Do you want kids? And we're both like, yeah, let's

581
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: let's have kids. Off we go then, and so that

582
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: was pretty much it, and we saw of selected like

583
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: a time frame that we wanted to start trying, and

584
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: bre wanted to get her body right for having kids

585
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.

586
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: And then it's very mature. Yeah, getting a very mature

587
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: thing to get your body right to do anything that kids.

588
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: You dropped aneat when you were doing a photo shoot

589
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: for the pregnancy. How much planning went into that moment?

590
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: Oh, this was such a funny day. I sort of

591
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: came out at two different angles where we went in

592
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 3: for our first scan, and so its.

593
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: Nerve wracking scans awesome.

594
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: I loved it.

595
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: I was saying that every.

596
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: Scan I got motion sickness from the heartbeat.

597
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: I love it. Oh, I'm so stoked to be a

598
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: part of it. But yeah, and so I was sitting there,

599
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, we've got to do a photo

600
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: and you know, we've got to let it out into

601
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: the world so you know, someone else doesn't break the

602
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: news or something like that. So I had my mate

603
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: staying with us at the time, Corey Wilson, and I'm like,

604
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: let's go do a photo shoot. Once we knew that

605
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: she was pregnant, I was the right thing to do

606
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: is propose and.

607
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: Lock it down.

608
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in the States at the time. I ordered

609
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: the ring. The ring was pretty much right next to

610
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: the whole flight home. She didn't know anything.

611
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: That's the best want to do it?

612
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Were you like in your pocket on you?

613
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: I gave it to my mate, Corey and having.

614
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: His bag fresher on Corey, Yeah, I don't lose my

615
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: ring there.

616
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: And so we got home and I was like, look,

617
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: we've got to go do this photo shoot and been

618
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: raining forever to She's like, I've got nothing to wear.

619
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: I've got none of this. I don't feel pretty, and

620
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm just like, just put anything on it.

621
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: My hand stopped storming.

622
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: But we had an appointment and we're driving home. She

623
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: we're not doing photos today. I'm like, we've got it.

624
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: You gotta got nothing to wear, and I'm like I

625
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: was just thinking, how am I going to do this,

626
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: and so I got Corey in and Corey's like, no,

627
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: I wear that. That's beautiful. It looks amazing. It looks

628
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: so good.

629
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: Is Coley like a fashionable guy?

630
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: Was?

631
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: Are you just like just it's just pushed this as

632
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: like a yes thing?

633
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he photo shoots, he gets great.

634
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: He's a really good photographer.

635
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

636
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he's dressing the boy.

637
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: So we went down the beach and then sure enough

638
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: sun comes out. I'm like, we've got to go. We've

639
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: got to go. We've got to go do it and

640
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: say we're doing the photos.

641
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to know like to do it now, Wait,

642
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: how honest were you nervous?

643
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: I was nervous. I think it's all men are.

644
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: Such a nervous like similar to I actually went to

645
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: the States to propose and with my now wife and

646
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: I hit it. The ring on me the whole time

647
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: I had it tucked into my underpants and one dage

648
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: she put her arm around me. She never touches me.

649
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: I don't know this instant she decided to touch me.

650
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: Missed it by about that and I was honestly just

651
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: packing nuggets for like days on the lead up. She

652
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you get to that moment the sun's out,

653
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Cory's got the camera.

654
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: Out, and she said something like it's going to be

655
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: so fun all of us together. And I was like, well,

656
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: why don't we make it official? And she's like what

657
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: And I just pulled it out of my pocket and

658
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: giving me goosebumps.

659
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, flashbacks.

660
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: It was crazy though, and it was like it was

661
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: the first beach I had taken her to in Australia and.

662
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sun came out of dolphins, that's already seen.

663
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Do you remember what it was like that very first

664
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: moment that you got to hold Xander.

665
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was incredible. As you go through the birth,

666
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: you're hearing noises that you've never heard your partner ever make,

667
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: and this and that this is this is like it's primal.

668
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: It's like it's pretty intense. It's pretty intense.

669
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I found it so beautiful. And then we

670
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: didn't find out if it was going to be a

671
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: boy or a girl. We just went for it.

672
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: Did you have any preference or we're like I.

673
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: Wanted a boy and Bree thought it was a boy

674
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: the whole time, and I was like, well, if it's

675
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: not a boy, I've got to really sit down and

676
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, talk to myself. And I had a week

677
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: where I was like coaching myself through it, and so

678
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: I was so pumped either way in the end. And

679
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: then when he came out and I picked him up,

680
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: and the obstrics like, I want you check out what

681
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: it is, and I just like picked him up. I

682
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: never even used before.

683
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: I always I always thought they would say, like they

684
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: would announce it in the room because maybe it's a

685
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: new thing now. They kind of because I didn't know either,

686
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: and they kind of just said, you go check. I

687
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: always thought they would like call it.

688
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: Out like the PA at the hospital.

689
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: Girl, Yeah, I guess it's in your birth plan, right,

690
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: And like that moment where you go skin to skin

691
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: with you, look, there is no other moment like it

692
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: until you do it again.

693
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: It's not a special as this time. That's not true.

694
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: That moment is Yeah, like I said, there's nothing else

695
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: like it. Do you think you'll have another kid? Are

696
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: you planning on?

697
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have talked about it. We're always plan or

698
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: not plan, but it's definitely in the pipeline. Would love

699
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: to but you know when that happens.

700
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: When that happens, it happens. Yeah, that was like similar, assid.

701
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: When my wife decides it's going to happen, it's going

702
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: to happen.

703
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: That's usually.

704
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: When we became dads. We always joke about some of

705
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: the changes that started to happen, Like for me, I

706
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden really liked lawn grass, became obsessed,

707
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: started walking with my hands behind my back.

708
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: Are you sneezers louder now that you're a dad?

709
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: I've always been a loud sneezer?

710
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Any dad tendencies that have started to creep in after

711
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: Xander arrived.

712
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: I wear a man bag now just to make sure

713
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: that I've got all the gear, Yeah, like a dad bag, Yeah,

714
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: just because I couldn't carry a big old handbag.

715
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

716
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: So I just got a couple of that piece And

717
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: have you had to add a couple of leaders to

718
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: your surfboards?

719
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: Now?

720
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: He looks, he looks anything, how dare you suggest? Well,

721
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: well you did mention you had pancakes for breakfast this morning,

722
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: getting away with that.

723
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: Gluten free dawn. That's the trick is that he definitely changed,

724
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 3: like especially being an athlete and I just come out

725
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 3: of knee surgery.

726
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: I'm stabbing the dark. That's right with Dane. Yeah, So

727
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: Dane Reynolds is up there for me.

728
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: So I was working pretty hard and for me it

729
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: was more just my selfishness just had to go out

730
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: of the window. That's probably the big and the biggest

731
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: thing is like, you know, when I want to get

732
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: go to sleep in like this morning for instance, got

733
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: busy days, so it's like, well, you're going to get

734
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: up on dark and go surfing. Yeah, it doesn't matter

735
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: what the waves like, you're going.

736
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 2: That's the only time you get to go.

737
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise you sort of get you get down.

738
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: They pog you down. These kids, you got two of them.

739
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: Hang the surfboards up, mate. Serious.

740
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: One of the hard things though, when you've just come

741
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: out of childbirth as parents is that it's such a rollercoaster.

742
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: You had this really intense high where like I remember

743
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: being in tears holding my daughter for the first time,

744
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: and then the reality of parenting really creeps in. You know,

745
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: you've got sleepless nights, You've got this baby that's crying.

746
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: You have no idea what's wrong with it because you're

747
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. Was there any part of

748
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: having a newborn that you thought, shit, this is so

749
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: much harder than I thought.

750
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: No.

751
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: No, Like I guess, traveling the world all the time,

752
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: I was always used to the jetlag. This is a

753
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: different kind of jetlag because if you sleep an extra minute,

754
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: then it could be the death of your child, so

755
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: you've got to get up. But that's how I sort

756
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: of looked at it. But Breeze just so across everything,

757
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: and she was just just so well read and so

758
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: ready to be a mom.

759
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Did you do the parenting classes?

760
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: I did, good boy. Yeah we did hypno birthing.

761
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: In person or during COVID, she would have been pre.

762
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: Through cod Birthing is all about breathing and just you know,

763
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: talking about the woman's body is made perfectly for the baby.

764
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: When you're in the class, what's your role? They go

765
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: to sleep.

766
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: Exactly old serving and always come back and towards the

767
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: end of the class every time they would do it

768
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: like a meditation. It's all that's.

769
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: I can see Matt picturing as the guy goes and

770
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: you're back in the room.

771
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: Just the heavy breathing coming from the corner where Micase.

772
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: Guys he's a world Champion's funny.

773
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: It's just Yeah, it's just all about positive reinforcement. Yeah,

774
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: but was was a warrior through birth. She would be

775
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: asleep in between contractions. That's about as she was.

776
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

777
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was like I always thought that I could

778
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: get in the zone like being.

779
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: Did she get the drugs not? Oh my gosh.

780
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: She was incredible And we had to, you know, start going, hey,

781
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 3: you got to start moving.

782
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she just really zened out on that.

783
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: She was gone.

784
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: It's it's wild, isn't it. Guys have got it so

785
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: damn good.

786
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

787
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: But the hardest thing I had to do was I

788
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: missed out of my.

789
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: Have you have you ever zipped a fly up on

790
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: the old fellow? Mate? We don't have.

791
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: So Xander's three now will be three next month.

792
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: And how do you find the terrible two's and the

793
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: toddler versus a newborn newborn?

794
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: Like everyone says it's going to get is he? It's

795
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: such a lie.

796
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: The ship thing about being a new dad or a

797
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: new parent is that they go after three months, there's

798
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: so much better than it's like, after six months, there's

799
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: so much better. When does it end? It's always changed

800
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: before and it's like, oh, sometimes I look at ask

801
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, why why are you

802
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: making a mess on the fucking floor.

803
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: Just gotta let go.

804
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: What's he into at the moment.

805
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: He loves just cartoons, trucks and just swords. I swear

806
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: he's like a Nina or a warrior from past life

807
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: because he just gets a sword or he turns anything

808
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: into a sword and just wax and.

809
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: Keep him away from that knife, draw mane.

810
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: He knows not to touch night if he puts Baby

811
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: Shark on and you're like, turn.

812
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: Off, traumatized from the baby Shark.

813
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good. I don't really I don't really get

814
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: two PHAs on all that sort of stuff, Like my

815
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: I haven't listened to my music or a podcast or

816
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: in the car forever because it's either an email or

817
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse.

818
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: Ye Wiggles or cocoa melon.

819
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: We don't do coco melon. Coca melon is a problem.

820
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, But once they get like hooked in,

821
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: you can't get them up. Look, honestly, we always talk

822
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: about this on the podcast that YouTube is the best

823
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: parent at that age because it's just like they just

824
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: you get so much done when they're.

825
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Do you find that your parenting style is similar to

826
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: that of your mum or how you were raised.

827
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 3: I think if Bree wasn't around, it would be. But

828
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: Bree's just so calm and so patient, and she's taught

829
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: me so much, like, you know, stop crying, there's nothing

830
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: cried out. Let's go. She would talk through it and

831
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: this and that. So I'm learning and we're just sort

832
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: of we're doing like a challenge and you have to

833
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: read a self help book and I'm reading a parenting book.

834
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: What can you teach us to teach?

835
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: Just patience?

836
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: Both of us can't read unless it's like video phim.

837
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: It's more about just listening and be patient. Like that's

838
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: the most I'm getting out of this is that kids

839
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: and toddlers don't have any sense of time. They just

840
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: act on what's in front of them. And as adults

841
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: and parents, we sort of act and react around time.

842
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: So it's it's like, all right, we've got to go,

843
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: We've got to do this, We've got to do that,

844
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: where they just think, I don't care what you gotta do.

845
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, working on my time, Yeah.

846
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: I want to watch more. I want to keep playing. Yeah.

847
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: And we always in our house, we're always like you know,

848
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 2: when we talk about oh, you know, one more minute,

849
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: five more minutes, Oscar. Now he would just be like,

850
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: has no idea what five minutes means. But if I

851
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: say get off there about five more minutes, give a

852
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: shit either. Yeah, they're just in their own in their

853
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: own world.

854
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: One thing that a lot of people say to me

855
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: with two girls, and they're both pretty wild even at

856
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: four and two, is that when they're teenagers, it's going

857
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: to be really tricky for yourself. And I thought, as

858
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: someone who's got the old ego eugene, what would be

859
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: the best way to parent a eugene? Like, if my

860
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: children have their old egos, how should I manage that?

861
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: Oh? You just tell them just be careful and learn

862
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: from your mistakes.

863
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: That's sound solid advice. That was like when you got

864
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: in trouble as a youngster with your mum, how would

865
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: she react? What sort of mum was she when you

866
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: were doing the wrong thing?

867
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: It depends if if we came and told her that

868
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: we did the wrong thing.

869
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: And would you be honest and tell her.

870
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, I hid everything from Yeah.

871
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: It was just more of the fact that should look

872
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: at it and just go, well, was that the right

873
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: thing to do?

874
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: And we're like not very self reflective.

875
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then there would other times if she caught

876
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: us in the act, then we'll get a slap in

877
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: the head.

878
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: She's got both sides covered.

879
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it's one of those things. It's like, you know,

880
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: I think parenting is sort of almost like if you

881
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: tell your mate, I don't do that, stop carrying on,

882
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 3: Like if they had a couple of beers or whatever,

883
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: they just don't want to do it more totally. And

884
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what kids are like, so you

885
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: just go with it. Yeah, keep going on the floor.

886
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: On the floor.

887
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: We put the call out to the listeners for any

888
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: questions to ask yourself, and I'm not making this up.

889
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: One of the most common questions was as a parent,

890
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: have you ever been shut on? Have you had to

891
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: deal with the poon army from the baby?

892
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah. The video just came up the other

893
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: day because I had to fly away and Breathe was

894
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: showing the baby videos and his favorite video now is

895
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: watching himself shot on me.

896
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: Was it at home though?

897
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: Safe you please?

898
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? He went all up me. Oh and then he

899
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: started pissing on me too, just sitting there filming the

900
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: whole there's nothing.

901
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: There's nothing that for that too. You're like, holy shit.

902
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: Laterally, yeah, I'm not a germaphobe or anything like that,

903
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: but when it's all over, you're just like, can I

904
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: get some help? Yeah, you're just sitting there.

905
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: Last take this child off me. It's crazy, Like I

906
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: feel like everyone's got a shit on story. Like it's

907
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: just one of those things. It's becomes part of parenting,

908
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: one thing that you've sort of done to us and

909
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: to other dads. You set the bar really high with

910
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: the when your kid grows up and it's like, my

911
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: dad's stronger than your dad. Your son's always got that. Well,

912
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: my dad punched a shark, so thank you for that.

913
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: I've actually just been talking about that recently just because

914
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: Jay has been on. But funny story, I walked into

915
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: daycare one day and he's like, my dad punched shark.

916
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like, he said it, you're already onto it

917
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: he said it. I'm like, who the hell told him that?

918
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: Because I hadn't spoken to him about it. And then

919
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: I was like, did you tell him the story or whatever?

920
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: And she's like, oh, sorry, sure you do it. And

921
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: then and then he forgot about it and then just

922
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: recently was sort of been talking about it, and he's like,

923
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 3: in fact, he's got a little stuff shark and no

924
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: way and he hit me in the head, and you're like,

925
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: and I talked about it, and I was like, but

926
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: I don't tell him that, you know, I don't look

927
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: at that punch. Sorry got dominated by shark. But I

928
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: telled him that I got hit in the head by

929
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: a shark. And he's like, oh, yeah, my dad, and

930
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: he will go and tell everyone just big shark comes along.

931
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: There any daycare teacher. He's not familiar with your story.

932
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: She'd like, Xander, that's not true. People don't get hit

933
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: in the head with shark.

934
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: It is looking up. That's true. It's funny because I

935
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: said to my son last night, I left so early

936
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: this morning. I was like, I'm going away tomorrow. I'm

937
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: not going to be here, trying to tell him why

938
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be here, So I'm going to

939
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: meet somebody punched a shark his face because he's obsessed

940
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: with like he's got these toy sharks. He just couldn't believe,

941
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: like because couldn't quite comprehend it. It's crazy.

942
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: It's a lot for a four year old for a

943
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: four year old, and.

944
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: We were with Jbay just finishing up yesterday and I

945
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 2: was like, I'll just have a look at the past

946
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: winners of the comp as you do, and it was

947
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: obviously goes through the list of winners and it's funny

948
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: on Wikipedia. I don't know if you've seen it on Wikipedia,

949
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: it's twenty fifteen where the winner is it says shark.

950
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

951
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: I was like, well, true, technically it did win. I

952
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: had to abandon it. But I was just like, and

953
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: then it's got You've gone back the next year, And

954
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: obviously I do vividly remember watching it.

955
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: You winning.

956
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: It was like the whole country was behind you, which

957
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: is crazy, but yeah, I don't know how many people

958
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: would have been jeering on that shark that day winning,

959
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: Jbay are crazy.

960
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: Did you see the footage just on Nathan Florence?

961
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: Is that the one following, Yeah, that's.

962
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Pretty much what happened in mine. So they'd come up

963
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: from the bottom of the point and go all the

964
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: way out, Yeah, and they're just cruising like they're not

965
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: there to eat, They're just there to they commute.

966
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Because yeah, in twenty sixteen, the same the year after

967
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: they had to stop the comp that I remember, and

968
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: they were following a massive great white like it was

969
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: just exactly a year later. It's like that time of year.

970
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: It must be very Yeah, I've never been to South Africa.

971
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's like that all the time, but how

972
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: we see it that one time a year and I

973
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 2: remember this jet ski following it up vividly, remember how

974
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 2: big it was next to this jet ski, and then

975
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: it's just happened again.

976
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild.

977
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: It is wild, like it's one of those places, right.

978
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had it happened to me, and I think

979
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: it was twenty seventeen. I was in a heat with

980
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: Gabe Medina and I was getting flogged. I saw the

981
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: skis starting to come towards us, which is said, is

982
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: that ja And I saw him coming. I'm like, please, please,

983
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: where's a set? Where's a set? Where's a set? Because

984
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: I wanted to It was towards the end of the heat. Anyway,

985
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: you like, get Gabe and I think, just let me

986
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: catch away and go in so I don't.

987
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: Have to be a Brazilian barbecue.

988
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: But got us on the I'm just just take me in.

989
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: I'm getting combat.

990
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: He's done like four eras I was just.

991
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: Saying I have to do more media and crap.

992
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's last thing I want to do.

993
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: Nick.

994
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I know your your time is precious. You've got a

995
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: busy day, So I just want to say thank you

996
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: so much for sitting down with Ashing myself. I still

997
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know how I do it, how you've done this,

998
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: how he's managed to lock you in, But it's best

999
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: if I just don't ask questions.

1000
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: Don't ask questions.

1001
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time connection somehow.

1002
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1003
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: Just on the back of that, Yeah, thank you so

1004
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: much for having us sitting down and chat with us.

1005
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: You know, a career, dad, retirement, all that stuff. Letting

1006
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: me give you my favorite movie of yours and you

1007
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: can ferish forever.

1008
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: If you're missing any possessions from your house, it definitely

1009
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: wasn't us count your cutlery drawer. No, we appreciate it.

1010
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: And if you've enjoyed this episode, of course, give us

1011
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: a follow review, hey five stars if you want, and

1012
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: let us know if there's any other doting dads or

1013
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: mums that you would like us to interview. And Ash,

1014
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: I reckon, we should probably get out of here, absolutely

1015
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: go for serve.

1016
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: Thanks again, Mat appreciate it, guys enjoyed.

1017
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Speaker 1: Thank you Mu,