1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 2: This is the daily, This is the daily. 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 3: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: the eighth of April. I'm Sam, I'm Zara. In July 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: of twenty twelve, nearly fourteen years ago, eighteen year old 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Thomas Kelly was cowered punched by Kieran Leverage during a 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: random attack in Sydney's once popular nightlife district of King's Cross. 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: The incident was part of a spate of violence in 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: the area and led to the New South Wales government 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: introducing the city's now defunct lockout laws. Last week, Kieran 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Leverage was granted parole towards the end of his thirteen 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: year sentence. On today's podcast, we're going to look at 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the original incident that changed the Sydney forever, the lockout laws, 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: and where we're at fourteen years on the first Here's 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: what's making headlines. The New South Wales government has announced 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: a disaster relief program for residents of more than twelve 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: local council areas, mostly around the outskirts of Sydney, following 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: the rain over the last few days. They will be 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: funding available to councils to assist with the cleanup costs, 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: as well as for residents that are temporarily displaced, to 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: help with accommodation and purchasing essential items. The New South 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: Wales SES recorded almost two thousand incidents on Saturday alone, 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: with one hundred and forty six flood rescues. 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 4: Disney has confirmed plans to crack down on password sharing 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: on its streaming service Disney Plus. Disney's CEO said restrictions 27 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 4: will roll out from June, limiting the number of viewers 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 4: accessing content through single user accounts. In an interview with 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: US news outlet CNNBC, he said Disney will launch its 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: first real foray into password sharing in a handful of 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 4: countries before expanding to a full rollout in September. Netflix 32 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 4: boosted its subscriber numbers by millions after that streaming giant 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: launched a similar password sharing crackdown last year. 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Penny Wong said the death of seven aid 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: workers in Gaza must not be quote brushed aside, telling 36 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: media she has requested an Australian Special adviser to be 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: involved in Israel's official investigation into the incident. Meanwhile, Foreign 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Minister Simon Birmingham told ABC's Insiders Israel must quote learn 39 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: from its mistakes, but quote none of us should lose 40 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: sight of the broader moral context in which this war 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: has been fought, reiter rating his support for Israel in 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: this war against Hummas. Seven aid workers from the world's 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: Central Kitchen were killed by IDF strikes last week, including 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: an Australian woman, resulting in the sacking of two soldiers. 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 4: And the good news, researchers have developed the largest ever 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 4: three D map of the universe. The map was developed 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: using a scientific tool called the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 4: or DESI. DESI collected data showing one six million galaxies, 49 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: three times as many galaxies as astronomers previously thought existed. 50 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 4: Researchers are hoping the map will help them measure the 51 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: speed at which the universe has expanded throughout the history. 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: Hey there, I'm just popping in here. My name is 53 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: Sira and I'm the sales manager at TDA. I help 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: organize these sponsorships you hear on the podcast every day, 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: and that helps fund the journalism you hear. If you 56 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 2: want to support us, the best way to do that 57 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: is by clicking follow on Apple or Spotify. It really 58 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: helps new audiences find us. Thank you for your support 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: and now back to the deep dive. 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: So Sam, this story re entered i'd say the popular 61 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: conscience and the news cycle last week because of the 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: decision by the New South Wales Parole Board to approve 63 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: the parole requests of Kieran Loveridge. Now, if you're not 64 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: familiar with Kieran Loverridge, he is the man who has 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 4: found guilty for the manslaughter of Thomas Kelly. Can you 66 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: just run everyone through the incident itself, because a lot 67 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: of people in the office were too young to even 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: remember it. 69 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: Yees. So it was July of twenty twelve when Thomas 70 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: Kelly was out with friends in King's Cross. The three 71 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: were aged eighteen and they were having a night out 72 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: in the very popular nightlife districts. This was the place 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: to go out if you lived in the eastern suburbs 74 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: of Sydney or for a lot of Sydney. Then out 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: of nowhere, Loverridge, who was also eighteen at the time, 76 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: punched Kelly in the head on a public pathway. Loverage 77 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: and Kelly didn't know each other at all at the time. Now, 78 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: Leverage's punch caused Kelly to fall backwards onto the footpath, 79 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: and there he fractured his skull and Kelly never regained 80 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: consciousness and died two days later. Now it's important to 81 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: remember that Kelly's death came amidst a string of other 82 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: coward punch attacks. 83 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 4: Can I just stop you there for one second, because 84 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: I remember learning about this, reading about this, and it 85 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: was called a king hit. Yeah, we're talking about a 86 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: coward punch. They mean the same thing, but language is important. 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 4: Why are you saying coward punch? 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: There's been a really distinct shift from king hit to 89 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: coward punch? Why to reflect the way that the perpetrator 90 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: should feel. And the thinking there was that the words 91 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: king hit somewhat glorified the act royalty exactly whereas coward 92 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: punch they should feel like a coward. So there was 93 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: some advice from some not for profits to the media 94 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: in the ten years since all around the world actually 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: to change the way they're using language. And now even 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: some of the law is using that language instead of 97 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: king hit. 98 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: Really interesting, Sorry I distracted you, but go on, well. 99 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: No, So I was just saying that. This was around 100 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: the same time as there were other coward punch incidents. 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: The other one that really sticks out is the death 102 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: of Daniel Christie in January of twenty thirteen on New 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: Year's Eve in exactly the same area of King's Cross. 104 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 4: So it was in that context of a number of 105 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 4: coward punches taking place that we ended up seeing quite 106 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: substantial legislative reform that was the Lockout laws. 107 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 3: Take me through that. 108 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: So, these discussions about Thomas Kelly's death really quickly moved 109 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: into wider discussions about alcohol. 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: So it wasn't seen as this like singular no them. 111 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: It was symbolic of wider problems in society, particularly around 112 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: young men and essentially people drinking too much and then 113 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: going out onto the streets and get assaulting each other. 114 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: And the place where this was most felt and some 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: of the strongest voices in advocating for tougher reforms, was 116 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: from our emergency rooms because they were dealing with arise 117 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: in admissions related to both the excessive consumption of alcohol 118 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: and assaults, and of course incidents that mix the two. 119 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Sorry, so you're saying emergency room in. 120 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Hospitals, yes, So they were being overwhelmed with people who 121 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: are victims of assault because of excessive alcohol consumption. And 122 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: so in response to this public outcry and really coordinated 123 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: political efforts, the lockout laws were introduced in twenty fourteen, 124 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: So in January twenty fourteen, so it was about eighteen 125 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: months between Thomas Kelly's death and the introduction of these laws. 126 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 4: All right, lockout laws. If you're from Sydney, you experienced them, 127 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 4: you've felt them. But if you're not, you might not 128 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: be as well acquainted. What are they? 129 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: So basically, if you're looking at a map of Sydney, 130 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: they drew a line around King's Cross and it captured 131 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: some of the Sydney CBD, some areas of wullamlu Darlinghurst 132 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: and some surrounding suburbs and they basically applied laws to 133 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: these particular areas. 134 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: And because they were nightlife. 135 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Hotspots exactly, so alcohol was not served after three am, 136 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: patrons were not allowed to enter venues after one thirty am, 137 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: and bottle shops couldn't trade after ten pm. And bedtime yeah, 138 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: and now it's our bedtime, but back then it wasn't. 139 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: But I think for those of us who grew up 140 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: in Sydney during the lockout law period, these reforms were 141 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: really felt, you know, when a bouncer would say lockout 142 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: laws have come in. It's one thirty one am and 143 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: you're not allowed into this establishment. And all of it 144 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: was designed to limit the amount of seriously drunk people 145 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: and therefore the number of assaults in the area. And 146 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: when we look at the stats, we do see a 147 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: reduction in the number of assaults. 148 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 4: So what are the stats from that period where the 149 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: lockout laws were in place? 150 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: So we looked at the stats given to us by 151 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: the New South Wales Bureau of Crime, Statistics and Research, 152 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: and they say that non domestic assaults decreased by fifty 153 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: three percent in King's Cross and four percent in the 154 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: CBD over the five years that the laws were introduced. 155 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: And it was really fast in terms of how quickly 156 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: assaults dropped. By September of twenty fourteen, so we're talking, 157 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, ten months after these lockout laws were introduced, 158 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: there was already a thirty two percent decrease in assaults 159 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: in King's Cross. But the other interesting I play Devil's 160 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: advocate here. 161 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, couldn't that have also been that a lot of 162 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: people just stopped going out there? 163 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Well interesting you say that, because what they also noticed 164 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: was that assaults spiked in other areas of the city, 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: and so there was this consensus that a lot of 166 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: the violent behavior had not been eradicated, it had just moved. 167 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: And so we were looking at at areas. All there 168 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: were suburbs like Newtown, Redfern and Bondai, and in some 169 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,479 Speaker 1: of those now popular hotspots in Sydney there were increases 170 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: of thirty percent. 171 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: So interesting, and I think one of the very common 172 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 4: criticisms leveled at the lockout laws were the impact that 173 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: they had, or that legislative reform had on businesses. 174 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: Sure, what do we know about that? Well, King's Cross 175 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: has totally transformed since the lockout laws were introduced. Businesses 176 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: on the main Strip suffered almost immediately from that loss 177 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: of foot traffic. There were some media reports around the 178 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: time that estimated that Sydney's economy took a sixteen billion 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: dollar hit for every year of the lockout laws. 180 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: Wow. 181 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: And we know that many hospitality businesses were shut during 182 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: the period, forced to close and haven't reopened. Many properties, 183 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: especially in that King's Cross main Strip area, that were 184 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: once home to bars and clubs, have now become apartment 185 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: blocks and the King's Cross of twenty twenty four is 186 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: very different the King's Cross of twenty fourteen. I was 187 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: reading going through one of the reports from a parliamentary 188 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: committee into the lockout laws, and I really just want 189 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: to read you this one part because I think it 190 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: captures the tension in lockout laws. It said the committee 191 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: acknowledges that there is an inherent tension between attempting to 192 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: create an environment which provides reasonable community safety and public 193 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: amenity without unduly restricting the freedom of individuals to enjoy 194 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: late night entertainment areas. It's regrettable that the actions of 195 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: a small number of violent individuals have resulted in regulations 196 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: that affect all patrons of the precinct. 197 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: So there it talks about the small number of violent individuals. 198 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 4: And of course we've already spoken about Kieran Loverriadge as 199 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: being one of those people who were convicted after. 200 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: A coward punch. 201 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 4: We know about the consequences for Sydney's nightlife and everyone else, 202 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 4: what were the consequences for him? 203 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: For the person who was convicted. 204 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: So he was originally sentenced to seven years and two 205 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: months for several offenses, and that included a six year 206 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: sentence for the manslaughter of Thomas Kelly. But during the 207 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: initial years of his sentence there was more public pressure 208 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: placed on the new South Wales government and the new 209 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: South Wales court system to actually increase that sentence, and 210 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: indeed it was increased to thirteen years and eight months 211 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: in jail. And that's taken us today and this month 212 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: where Leverage was only now eligible for parole and quickly. 213 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Parole means an offenders released from prison to serve a 214 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: portion of their sentence in the community under certain conditions. 215 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: So he was granted parole on Thursday last week. What 216 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 4: were the conditions of his release? 217 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: So in this particular case, Leverage's parole is subject to 218 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: a number of conditions that includes a ban on alcohol use, 219 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: he can't contact Thomas Kelly's family, and he can't make 220 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: contact with outlaw BIKI gangs, with whom he has ongoing connections. 221 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: So there's a couple of organized crime elements to Leverage's 222 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: network that the parole board was particularly focused on in 223 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: ensuring that he re enters society in a safe way. 224 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 4: So we've spoken about the perpetrator, but not about the 225 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: victim or his family. 226 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: What have we heard from Thomas Kelly's family. 227 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think the first thing to say about Thomas 228 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: Kelly's family is that since they lost their son almost 229 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: fourteen years ago, they've been very vocal and active. There's 230 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: now an organization called take Care, which, for those of 231 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: us in Sydney have seen around the streets. It's spelt 232 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: t K and it's in Thomas Kelly's memory, and it's 233 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: encouraging young Sidneysiders to be safe at night. So they've 234 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: been extremely present in the news cycle whenever we talk 235 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: about nightlife and the lockout laws, and on this occasion 236 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: they didn't indicate their support or opposition to Loverage's release. 237 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Thomas Kelly's father also said it was important that Loverage's 238 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: transition into the community was quote as smooth as possible, 239 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: and Kelly's family also spoke about the loss of another son, Stuart, 240 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: who died by suicide four years after the death of 241 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: his own brother. In a statement to the court, the 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: mother of the two boys, her name's Kathie Kelly, said, quote, 243 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: we continue to grieve every day for our two boys. 244 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: We have been handed a double life sentence terrific. Now Loveridge, 245 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: who is now thirty, will be released from prison sometime 246 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: before the twenty fifth of April and his parole order, 247 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: so those conditions we talked about is due to expire 248 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: in May twenty twenty six. 249 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 4: I think this was such an important story that shaped 250 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 4: so many of our kind of young adulthoods and the 251 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: way that we interact with our city certainly, but also 252 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 4: the way that people interact with one another when they 253 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: go out, and you know, everything changed after this, so 254 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 4: it's such an important case. And I think good note 255 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: to end on the amazing family of Thomas Kelly who 256 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 4: have shown so much strength during this period. 257 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: And we'll put a link in the show notes to 258 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: the Take Care Foundation because I think they're doing some 259 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: really interesting worpp. 260 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us on today's episode of The Daily os. 261 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 4: Take care of yourself today and we'll be back again tomorrow. Bye. 262 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 263 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,119 Speaker 1: Bungelung calcotton woman from Gadighl Country. 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