1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: The Northern Territory Police Commissioner, as we spoke to the 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Commissioner about earlier this morning, obviously activated this snap seventy 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: to our curfew for Alice Springs after what was described as. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: A horror weekend. 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: We extensively covered all of those concerns yesterday in terms 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: of the incidents that had unfolded over the course of 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: the weekend. The Northern Territory Police Commissioner confirming this morning 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: though three cars had still been stolen overnight despite that lockdown. Now, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: unlike previous curviews, what we've actually seen is this time 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: it lasts from ten pm until six am, and it's 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: not only youths but obviously. 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: Adults as well. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: The issue is once again making headlines right around the nation. 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people wondering where exactly the two hundred 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars is at that the Prime Minister 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: had announced. 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Well quite some time ago, we. 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: Just spoke to the mayor of Alice Springs who really said, 19 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: you know what, these thirty four different organizations that are 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: there in Alice Springs, they're funded for youth services, What 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: exactly are they doing and are they doing what they're 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be at this point in time, if we've 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: got the issues continuing to unfold that we're seeing in 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: Alice Springs. Now, what we know as well is that 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: that Indigenous advocate Warren Mundine is calling on Linda Bernie, 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: the Federal Indigenous Affairs Minister, to resign after remaining silent 27 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: on this issue. 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: Warren Mundine joins me on the line right now. Good morning, Warren, 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now, Warren, 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: it sounds as though you're quite concerned at this point 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: that Linda Bernie's really not sort of come out and 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: said a great deal about the situation in Alice Springs. 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: Well, excuse me, it goes deeper than that. I've known 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: Linda Bernie for on nigh on thirty years, and I 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: saw the performance that you did in the Voice campaign 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: and recent performances by her. To me, it's concerning because 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: it's obvious to me she's not well and she's not 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: up for the job that needs to be done there 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: because we are in a crisis at the moment across 41 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: this country. It's not only in the North Terricase, it's 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: in Queensland and West Australia. It's South Wales, it's in 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: South Australia and so on. So we've got to have 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 3: some strong leadership here about getting things fixed and dealing 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: with the real issues. Now there curfews that is important 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: to get control of the streets again, but it's only 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: a stop gap and it's out of your beginning. They've 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: got to start focusing on all the things that need 49 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: to be done. And you just Menace mentioned the mayor 50 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: of our springs talking about all the organizations that get funded, 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: you know, Senator just Enterprise Et Karen Middle and even 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: Senator Media four actually wanted to move a motion in 53 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: the Senate about we need to do a performments review 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: and audit of all these organizations that are getting funding. 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: And it's not about a witch hunt, it's about okay, 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: these are the issues, how do we get it fixed 57 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: and that and it was voted down by the by 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: the Labor government the help of the Green Now we've 59 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: got serious problems here and I'm concerned about Linda Bernie 60 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: and the health. We need to have someone in there 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: that is actually up for the game. And we also 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: need to have these proper orders, proper things done and 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: actually get to the root cause of what's happening. 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: So at this point in time, Warren, I mean, what 65 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: what do you think Linda Bernie should be doing? Should she, 66 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, should she be in Alice Springs talking to 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: locals and trying to get to the bottom of what's 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: going on. I feel like both her and the Prime 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Minister have tried to do that, yet it all just 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: continues to rage on. 71 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: O Love, they didn't. Let's let's be honest. You know, 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: the flight that Alice Springs and back to the Tennis 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: Australian Open, it was longer than the time they've spent 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: in our streets. Let's be honest about that. List. We've 75 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: got to be We've got to start looking at the 76 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: number of things that can actually fix these things. I've 77 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: got a paper coming out soon and it's about education. 78 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: Getting every kid to school, yep, giving them the complete 79 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: school and getting them to be able to read, write, 80 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: and mathematics and all the things that's going to help 81 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: them get a job and to look at looking at 82 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: building a career and a future for themselves. The other 83 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: thing is jobs. How do you get jobs? It is 84 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: having dealing with the criminal issues and get and getting 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: investments into business startups and that within these communities and 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: getting and that's the only way you do start creating jobs. 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: The question also has to be asked about you know, 88 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: the mining industry has poured lots of money in I 89 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: think it's something like four billion dollars the Australian Government's 90 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: meaning four billion dollars and something. We've got ask the question, 91 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: what's happening with all that money and how come we've 92 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: got these problems. We've got the money, the money is 93 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: not using us is the will to actually do constructive 94 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: things and confront things and of course dealing with the crime. 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to be a bit controversial about this. Locking 96 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: kids up does not work. We know that on an 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: international stage. Peter Balanarak has got me to do a 98 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: review of reoffending a crime in South Australia in twenty sixteen. 99 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: I was on the Juvenile for the Crime Prevention Committee globally. 100 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: Why don't we use the powers that we've got to 101 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: actually get you know, you're going to deal with arresting 102 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 3: and charging people are putting in Why don't we charge 103 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: them to actually guard to school? Why don't we enforce that? 104 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: Why don't we charge them to they actually getting a 105 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: job and getting those things happen. And also the ridiculous 106 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: thing that happened in our last year in the Voice 107 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: campaign of lifting the gold bands and closing down on 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: the casts kevicard debit card is just you know that 109 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 3: just chuck boil them on the fire. Yeah, made it worse. 110 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: So let's start getting some grown up approach. And it's 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: not about labor or liberal or anyone else. Yeah, a 112 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: country Labor party, the country Liberal party. It's about it's 113 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: about let's get things happening. And it's got about a 114 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: cork fits cork fst. You know, the police know what 115 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: needs that happened, the general public knows happened, the business 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: community knows what needs to happen, and the eldest in 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 3: the African communities will tell you what needs to happen. 118 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: So let's start getting it done. 119 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. This is the thing I reckon Warren, that so 120 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: many of us can't wrap our heads around, right, is it, 121 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 1: like you sport On, everybody seems to realize what needs 122 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: to happen, but for some reason it's not happening. 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: And the Northern Territory right now is like we're on 124 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 2: our knees. 125 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: Saying please, somebody sort things out when it comes to 126 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: these issues that we're dealing with, because the whole place is, 127 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: you know, like we're quite over the issues of crime 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: and anti social behavior. 129 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: And it's spreading. We saw that saw you know, videos 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: going out on the social media of kids, young ambisual 131 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: kids and that stealing cars in cans and Townsville and 132 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: other places. We've seeing the problems that are happening in 133 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: Western and South while and these are not getting better. 134 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: And where's the parental controls, where's the community based activity 135 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: that needs to be happening we need to get We 136 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: need to support the police, We need to support the 137 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: organizations and that that are actually out there on the 138 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: ground and doing a job. But they have to do 139 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: a job. And I think we need to change some 140 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: of the clothes and the gap goals because this idea 141 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: of reducing incarceration rates. If I have ahead of prison 142 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 3: or over Australia, I have to reduce that incarceration rate. 143 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: Tomorrow morning, I just let them out of jail. 144 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: That doesn't help the community. 145 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: It doesn't help it at all. That's this is how 146 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: stupid it is. They should be focusing on reducing crime. Yeah, 147 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: so Warren they should be looking at when you. 148 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: Look at this from a you know, obviously we always 149 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: look at it from a real Northern territory approach because 150 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: that's where that's where we leave. We see these issues 151 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: day to day. But when you look at these as 152 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: you've spoken about there, we're not the only location that 153 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: are dealing with these concerns. So could the federal government 154 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: be doing more across the board across Australia to try 155 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: to really see some significant and meaningful change. 156 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: Yes, first of all, get rid of all this talk 157 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: fest a waste of time. Actually start because we all 158 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: know what needs to be done. If you're looking at 159 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: average or communities, how do you how do you get 160 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: economic development? Things happening on those communities there was known 161 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: for five hundred years on a global stage. You know, 162 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 3: you know, your own home, but help my family and 163 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: we were living you know, two on two generations away 164 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: from living and humping yep. I now live in a 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: house in Sydney. It's worth quite a lot of money. 166 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: And why because we were able to get my grandparents 167 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: that were able to own their own home. They were 168 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: able to get and building. That's what we've got to 169 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: do with average of land. You know, the vast from 170 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: my majority of abriage of land out there. They can't 171 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: even own their they can't build assets, and they can't 172 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: get things moving. And also it does something for families, 173 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: like you know, you know, it's a safe space. It's 174 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: a space that you go to, I can put a 175 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: hammer and nail on the wall and hang a picture 176 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: and not worry about it and stuff like that, you know, 177 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: and it empowers people. I remember my mother when I 178 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: was a little kid, was under the new South Wherelst 179 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: Protection Act, which segregated act in this out while the 180 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: welfare office could just walk in your house and just 181 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: do what they like. So that turned up my house. 182 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: My mum got a broom, blogged them and chased them 183 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: out of the house. And when they jumped out of 184 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: the fence, they stood out in the front of the 185 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: house and said, this is private property I owners. Next 186 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: time you come here, you're going to have to either 187 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: get a warrant or just my permission. And that empowers people. 188 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: So these are the simple thing. And education, we've got 189 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: to stop pushy footing around about it. The law is 190 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: quite clear everyone under a certain age after attend schools. 191 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: Let's enforce that let's make it happen. And we had 192 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: we had programs in the past that was too short. 193 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: You know, they went for a couple of years and 194 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: that was about you know, working with the community elders 195 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: in some of the community of and Nice head of 196 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: the Prime Indigenous Advisory Council, and we got the end. 197 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 3: So that was in powered doing two things. That's empowering 198 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: those community members. They went to the school's check to 199 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: was in the school. Then they went to the house 200 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: where the kids were, and then they got them to school. 201 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 3: Why aren't we doing that? This does two things to 202 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 3: get the kids to school, get them and education and 203 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: ature of itself and a power that community and that 204 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: community elders in making their community safe at a better place. Now, 205 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: these are the simple things. I don't know why they 206 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: can't do these things. It's just the courage or they've 207 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: been hijacked by ideological stupidity. 208 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like that could be what it is, Warren. 209 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: You know, like I think we've reached that point where 210 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: I worry that people are so driven by you know, 211 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: ideology rather than actually having a meaningful impact and making 212 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: sure that as you said, kids are at school and 213 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: they're able to have a better future and we all 214 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: need that purpose, right. 215 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 3: Yes, of course, and we and we're focused on that area, 216 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: you know, you know, and of course that means especially 217 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: for remote communities, and that yes, you can have primary schools, 218 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: infant schools and pre schools working in these communities. And 219 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: we need that to happen to build base because that's 220 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: the old would say, and give me a trial for 221 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: the first seven years, and I got them for life. 222 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: And so we need to get that from birth, that 223 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 3: pre birth, actually pre natal. You know, young girls are 224 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: having babies at such young ages. How do we extend 225 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: that that onto a later time? So they were in 226 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: their twenties varvenue. You know, you're bumping in the girls 227 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: who are eighteen who had two or three kids already, 228 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: and this is not helping the whole thing. And also 229 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 3: people forgot what about the castle a debit card? What 230 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 3: they forgot, but they said, oh, just his face, that 231 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: wasn't anyone living in the geographic area. No matter who 232 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: they were, they weren't welfare. They were all on the 233 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: card black, white, pink, green, purple, whatever color you want 234 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: to make. And they also if they wanted to buy 235 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: alcohol to do things like that. They had twenty percent 236 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: of the card, they can do it that like it 237 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 3: was the eighty percent of the card which was most important. 238 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 3: That is to ensure that kid could be in fed 239 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: and getting healthy food, and that they're getting educational they're 240 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: getting their books and their school uniforms, et cetera. Excepting 241 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: their rents are being paid there and that was the 242 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 3: most important part. By getting rid of it because of 243 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: some ideological morons out there, they have actually destroyed that 244 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: whole process. And look what's happening. 245 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: Well, Warren Mundane, we are going to have to leave 246 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: it there. 247 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time this morning at short notice. 248 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having a chat with us. 249 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: Okay, that's it, and I look, I support the man, 250 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: I support Darren Clark and all those people up there, 251 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: honors hard working Australians who are just trying to help 252 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: and make it a better place for the Aboriginal and 253 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: business people as well as everyone else. 254 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Warren Mundane, thank you appreciate your time today.