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Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning to you, and very good

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Speaker 1: morning to our wonderful guest this morning for the first

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Speaker 1: week that was for twenty twenty four, and I'm pleased

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Speaker 1: to say joining us in the studio this morning, Jared

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Speaker 1: Mayley from the COLP.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, Good morning to you, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Gooday Katie.

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Speaker 1: And sharing a microphone today with keyesyer Puick, the member

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Speaker 1: for Goider. Good morning to you, Kezier, Morning Katie, Morning

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Speaker 1: Bush People. And we have also got on the show

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, the police Minister and the ALP rep for

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Speaker 1: this morning. Good morning to you, Brings, Morning Katy. Good

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Speaker 1: to have you all in the studio now. I do

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Speaker 1: want to kick off this morning with well with the

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Speaker 1: fact that I've spoken to two property owners yesterday, one

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Speaker 1: the lack of action locally around flooding, with the other

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Speaker 1: Now they're facing a long road to recovery, having now

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Speaker 1: on top of repairs to that roadhouse and replenishing supplies. Now,

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Speaker 1: both property owners say that they feel like there's been

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Speaker 4: With food and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brent, what has been the response here from

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously we did act with the floods, and we

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Speaker 5: store had four days worth supplies. Obviously, you don't want

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Speaker 5: and we know that we're giving permits now for trucks

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't the government, though, if you know an area has

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Speaker 5: To There's local plans in each area and every community

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Speaker 5: So that is what happens throughout one of those local

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Speaker 5: And I'm meeting with the NTCA later today to discuss it.

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Speaker 6: Ultimately, it being flood let just be a gut wreaking

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Speaker 7: Well to find out exactly who is out there, I

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Speaker 4: In a bad spot.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the work that is going

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Speaker 5: So declaring an emergency, which I did so I declared

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Speaker 5: for Barklay I did for timber Creek. That opens up

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Speaker 5: funding through ANIMA, which is a National Emergency Management Agency,

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Speaker 5: and that funding will come at a particular time we

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Speaker 5: we're still in recovery. There is supplemental payments for those

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Speaker 5: But they will get access to funding through the national

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Speaker 2: Been seventeen days.

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't I think there would be some sort of

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Speaker 6: I heard on the media that the herd chop is

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Speaker 8: That was what he told us.

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Speaker 6: So they need money right now. You know your Brent

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Speaker 6: saying we'll wait and we're going to see and that's

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Speaker 6: These people need it right now. They need to be

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Speaker 2: Have you reached out?

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Speaker 5: There's two discussion points there that need to be Have

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Speaker 5: We'll do a review of that and find out where

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Speaker 5: it sits in what actually happened. I understand they're saying

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Speaker 8: I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit rich though from what we were hearing

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Speaker 6: Reached out to them, we know about this now than

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Speaker 2: It disappoints me.

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Speaker 7: There was also like, I know you spoke to Bicky Myers,

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Speaker 7: I've just left today or last night whenever, So there

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Speaker 7: sure people can ring or have satellite raised to cattle

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to catch up with Duran Young after

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Speaker 1: because it was Tristan and Christina that we'd spoken about yesterday,

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Speaker 5: So to answer that question, my staff have been given

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Speaker 5: But I know for a fact that the EOC and

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Speaker 5: At the EOC ministerial level, I don't get every individual

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Speaker 5: And I've got a meeting in the NTCA later today.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, everyone has to understand these instances are very fluid.

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Speaker 6: What is fluid is your ability to manage issues in

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Speaker 2: That's just you and labor.

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Speaker 4: He's getting the results that we have.

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Speaker 5: As we get to the next segments.

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Speaker 1: Anytime, well, look, we might take a really quick break

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Speaker 1: because when we come back, I am keen to talk

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Speaker 1: about the fact that the Environmental Defender's office in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Yeah, so we'll talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about that and whether they're going to continue to receive funding.

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Speaker 1: Much more coming your way this hour on three point sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was well, if you've just

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Speaker 1: joined us in the studio with us this morning, we've

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Speaker 1: got Brent Potter, Keesier Puic, Matt Cunningham, and Jared Mayley,

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Speaker 1: And it has been a busy first week for me,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. But yesterday we saw that well the

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Speaker 1: Santos boss was in town, Matt, and first Gas from

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Speaker 1: Santos Barossa project has been delayed by at least several

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Speaker 1: months and the total estimated cost has blown out to

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Speaker 1: almost seven billion dollars because of a discredited legal process

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Speaker 1: and it's stalled the project.

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Speaker 4: I know you've been right onto this story, Matt.

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Speaker 5: Matt loves it.

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Speaker 4: It's aware are.

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Speaker 1: Things that I mean And then talking about the funding

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Speaker 1: for the Environmental Defender's Office.

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Speaker 4: I know that.

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Speaker 1: Well plenty of people saying should they continue to be funded.

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Speaker 4: It should absolutely be reviewed.

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Speaker 3: It's funding now that's two million dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: So the EEO is under a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 9: They put out some statements, you know, talking about the

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, you know, And so I think they've got.

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Speaker 9: Some serious questions to answer, and you know, at the

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Speaker 7: It also calls into question the integrity of the EDIO

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Speaker 8: But what else have.

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Speaker 7: They fludged and manipulated and lied about potentially in other

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Speaker 1: And the thing buss me off about that is it's

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Speaker 4: Traditional people, you know.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, we go to an election on these

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Speaker 7: That from Perhaps you should review not only the funding

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Speaker 7: that goes to the IDEO, but perhaps you should also

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Speaker 7: review the funding that goes to the Environmental Center because

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Speaker 7: I'm guaranteed they'll get money from the anti government.

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Speaker 6: Well, I hope this is we need to make sure

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Speaker 6: that this honey agree of taxpayers money we're talking about,

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Speaker 6: This is taxpayers money is not spent on this activism.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're forum protecting environment, no question about that,

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Speaker 6: which is exactly what happened here. And I know the

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Speaker 6: I'm also a member.

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Speaker 2: I'm a lawyer, right, so I'll be now done that.

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Speaker 6: So I know that your role is to represent your

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Speaker 9: Well anting and interesting development as well has been that

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Speaker 9: Mark Turner has actually now made a complaint about this

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Speaker 9: issue to the Law Society. Well, they should do that

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Speaker 9: internally and so I don't know how the law society works.

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Speaker 9: You'd have a better idea than me, Jared, But my

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Speaker 6: Second, all the law society can make their own investigation.

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Speaker 6: So the law society, I've seen you read about stories

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Speaker 6: they can conduct it on complaints.

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Speaker 2: And now they've got two Well.

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Speaker 8: It depends also where the lawyers are based and where.

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Speaker 2: Well in there's law society in every state.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's true.

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Speaker 7: And and also there should be some question as to

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Speaker 8: He's rightly lied.

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Speaker 5: So separate stepping away from the lawyers. And but what

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Speaker 5: HFI that we brought in. I think not SEEMAN needs,

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Speaker 5: which is the federal agency that deal with offshore oil

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Speaker 1: Quick questions, Has Minister Warden now met with the EDO.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if she's meet I can ask. I

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think she will meet with them, but

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Speaker 5: you know, whether she meets them or not so irrelevant.

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Speaker 5: The review will get done by the Department. Their funding

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Speaker 5: and that's probably can't be changed. But going into the

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Speaker 5: what they've done, then that's what will follow the recommendation.

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Speaker 4: The question is somebody had raised Listen.

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Speaker 5: I'd be very shocked if it doesn't say that, Jared,

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Speaker 5: because they've misled, misled territories and Missie needs to look

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Speaker 3: Judson, how deep it needs to go report?

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Speaker 5: Because a couple of thousand pages, very long.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a question that was raised.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who raised it, but somebody said should

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look like that would be a bridge. That would

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Speaker 9: mean they have demonstrated not a huge fan.

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Speaker 3: Of all of the work of the Environment Centered.

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Speaker 4: Somebody over, Well, it.

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Speaker 5: Comes down to when you when you im and straight

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Speaker 4: And the Environment Center hasn't.

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Speaker 8: In receiving government funding, how is it acquitted?

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Speaker 7: How is how does the Environment de Vendors Office, an

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Speaker 8: And are there any KPIs attached to it?

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Speaker 4: You would hope that there are government.

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Speaker 5: That APIs and acquittal requirements, and when when they don't

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Speaker 5: acquit appropriately, as we all know, sitting on parliamentary accounts,

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Speaker 2: That would not have done that for free, he would.

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Speaker 5: Academic, he would have been paid, chosen that person for

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Speaker 7: The money they get each year from the anti government

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Speaker 5: That's being really clear. It was the first one to

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Speaker 9: And I think that's this is the thing that gets

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Speaker 9: And I think in a lot of these cases, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's never true, you know.

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Speaker 9: I mean, these things often can only happen with the free,

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Speaker 4: And like any community and like any perstructure.

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Speaker 3: And their friend jobs, and they want a better future

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Speaker 5: This is important we talk when we talk about the

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Speaker 5: and putting out alternative messaging. And it's on government and

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Speaker 5: he's on the industry. As well to get the right

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Speaker 5: messaging out there and get that science out there, and says, well,

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Speaker 5: actually it can be done safely two years.

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Speaker 2: You stopped the onsore gas for two years and put

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Speaker 2: it back in years.

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Speaker 5: Let's be really clear, you wouldn't have done the hre FI,

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Speaker 5: you wouldn't brought the protections and.

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Speaker 7: Not I mean, if which I think it probably would

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Speaker 7: have happened with withdraws their funding. They're going to be

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Speaker 7: a world of strife anyway because they lost the court,

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Speaker 7: so they're going to have costs of wood against them, I.

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Speaker 5: Think, beause they're actually representing it was the ts that

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Speaker 5: brought the.

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Speaker 8: Claim, so that one on that side is going to

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Speaker 8: have to come up with the costs.

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Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 9: In the press conference he said we will see in

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Speaker 9: time what happens there. But I think he s Quinley

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Speaker 9: said off camera to the ABC from what I've seen reporter,

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Speaker 9: that they won't pursue the Teewee Islanders for costs and

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Speaker 9: what gas company would.

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Speaker 1: Work.

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Speaker 9: And I think this is the other issue with all

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Speaker 9: of these issues, like you know, the resources companies have

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Speaker 9: to fight these issues with their hands tied behind their back.

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Speaker 9: You know, you just get this onslaught from one side.

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Speaker 9: That just gives a totally distorted picture of what's going on.

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Speaker 9: And then you have the resources companies who just basically

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Speaker 9: have to sit there and cop it. And then even

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Speaker 9: when a federal court judgment comes out that's as damning

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Speaker 9: as that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure I want.

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Speaker 5: Look at That's the point I make around not seeing

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Speaker 5: which is that federal agency the stuff we have around

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Speaker 5: hfive for on shore gas and the merits review works

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Speaker 5: like that, that works really well, and I think they

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Speaker 5: should be looking at a merits review for the federal legislation.

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Speaker 5: So we don't go down this path because it is

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Speaker 5: it is slowing down development and there's an nt gament.

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Speaker 5: We're very restricted because it's not our field, it's not

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Speaker 5: our ownership.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix ONEOW four nine's three sixty. It

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Speaker 1: is the week. It was in the studio this morning,

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Speaker 1: Jared Maylee, Matt Cunningham, Brent Potter and Kesier Puric.

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Speaker 4: And there's been a lot to cover off this week,

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Speaker 4: that is for sure.

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Speaker 1: Now. Earlier in the week, I spoke to one business

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Speaker 1: owner in Darwin City who contacted me saying that cruise

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Speaker 1: ship passengers were being told not to venture into the

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Speaker 1: CBD because nothing's opened and it's unsafe. I had another

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Speaker 1: caller ring in and say that she'd been speaking to

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Speaker 1: some cruise ship passengers now she works in the CBD

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Speaker 1: and had told a similar story. You know. I asked

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Speaker 1: the tourism Minister, Joel Baden about it on the show.

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Speaker 1: He said he's not aware of the issue, but is

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Speaker 1: working with those cruise operators around the timing of their

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Speaker 1: arrivals and working with businesses to make sure that vacant

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Speaker 1: shops in the.

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Speaker 4: CBD are filled.

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Speaker 1: But look, the last thing we want is for cruise

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Speaker 1: ship passengers, hundreds of them arriving here in Darwin and

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Speaker 1: feeling like they can't get off or having to you know,

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Speaker 1: watch their backs because they feel like it's unsafe. And then, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: you know, we wound up in a situation.

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Speaker 4: Earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: I'd spoken to Salvatore's Cafe. I had them on the

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Speaker 1: show after seeing footage of a brawl just outside of

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Speaker 1: their shop at about three o'clock in the harv I

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Speaker 1: reckon it was earlier in the week and Sean said

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Speaker 1: you know the owner. Look, Katie, I don't feel unsafe,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately there is violence. You know, there's people fighting

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Speaker 1: with each other and it is not nice. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not nice for people that you arrive in town,

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Speaker 1: you want to go for a walk, you know, to

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Speaker 1: have a go and get whatever you want to do

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Speaker 1: in the CBD, and you're witnessing a brawl where people

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Speaker 1: are literally smashing each other in the face with chez.

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Speaker 6: This is a classic example of the economic cost of

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Speaker 6: crime through the territory. So these people aren't victims of crime,

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Speaker 6: so crime doesn't affect them, But what it is affecting

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Speaker 6: is the economic cost because these people aren't coming into

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Speaker 6: the CBD and spending their money. So, you know, this

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Speaker 6: crime issue that's caused by the labor government. We know

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Speaker 6: the last seven years of crime have gone up one

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Speaker 6: hundred percent two hundred and fifty six, I think in

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Speaker 6: relating to one particular stat that I saw. So this

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Speaker 6: is a classic example of how that is now flowing

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Speaker 6: onto the economic cost affecting territories, business owners throughout the

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Speaker 6: CBD and right across the church. Because these people don't

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Speaker 6: just stay in the cv do they do tours and

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Speaker 6: they do all sorts of stuff and this is a

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Speaker 6: classic example of how this government of failed territories in

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Speaker 6: relation to dealing with the crime crisis. And now the

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Speaker 6: flow on effect is the economic cost of that as

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Speaker 6: people not spending their money into Northern Territory.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so first, if you're going to give stats around

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Speaker 5: crime stats charity, you actually need to say which stat

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Speaker 5: is you're talking about. I absolutely agree we're seeing too

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Speaker 5: much any social behavior. I just for those that are listening,

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Speaker 5: it's worth noting that since the seven day band drinker

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Speaker 5: Order to be brought in in no December, I've put

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Speaker 5: eighteen hundred and forty one people on the band drinker register.

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Speaker 5: That is, and just for context, in October last year

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Speaker 5: to November last year, only ten people got put on.

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Speaker 5: We know that alcohol is a problem in the city

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Speaker 5: and that's where we see the any social behavior. I

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Speaker 5: said from day dight, I need to get more police

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Speaker 5: officers back to work. We're seeing good results in the

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Speaker 5: NTPA recent serve. I know the opposition would like to

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Speaker 5: talk about one stat The one stat that they're not

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Speaker 5: talking about though, is the six percent improvement in officers

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Speaker 5: feeling supported by government and the eighteen percent increasing.

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Speaker 6: That's because that's because the other peoples are actually left phished.

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Speaker 5: You youe let me finish. We haven't seen those things

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Speaker 5: pass before. But secondly, but.

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Speaker 1: I do just want to say it's ninety one point

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Speaker 1: four four percent saying they don't feel supported.

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Speaker 5: By for it's still a six percent increase. I'll take

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Speaker 5: a change because.

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Speaker 2: What it means left no, what it means is.

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Speaker 5: We're actually going in the right direction. Because if it

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Speaker 5: wasn't just continuing to get worse, well, then you'd be

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Speaker 5: asking me what I'm doing about to fix it.

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Speaker 3: To get worse than ninety seven percent.

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Speaker 5: You can get absolutely can't get worse. But the fact

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Speaker 5: that we've seen an eighteen percent increase in morale and

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Speaker 5: we've seen a six percent increase in around support to government.

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Speaker 5: But that also comes down to a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: We announced a Territory Safety Division in December because I

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Speaker 5: know that we need more police officers. At the time,

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Speaker 5: where there was ten officers, there's now nineteen working out

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Speaker 5: of the Nightcliff Police station. When those fifty officers, which

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Speaker 5: are brand new, fully funded, which the opposition don't like

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Speaker 5: to hear about, when they are fully funded and have

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Speaker 5: these people in there. They will be a at Nightcliff

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Speaker 5: Police station be the same capacity as down and Casarina

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Speaker 5: on the ground.

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Speaker 9: Past Nightcliff Police Station last night and I saw for

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Speaker 9: the first time in my life an actual police officer

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Speaker 9: wow at the Nightcliff GA station.

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Speaker 1: I bet you and the rest of the community it

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Speaker 1: has been something that no one's.

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Speaker 5: Seen are I've committed to it and we're delivering on it.

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Speaker 5: Change Dolly incapacs, general order around police, so how they

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Speaker 5: deal with youth between the ages of twelve and fourteen.

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Speaker 5: Let the court decide on Dolly incapacs. We brought the

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Speaker 5: correspondent model in. I know Jared loves the corresponding model

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Speaker 5: even acknowledged on nine News that it's working. So we

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Speaker 5: can agree on something the Labour's done. He's very happy

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Speaker 5: to continue to support.

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Speaker 9: I would suspect Dolly incapacs right, which is whether a

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Speaker 9: child has the mental capability to commit a crime. So

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Speaker 9: what was that from the Royal Commission? Was there a

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Speaker 9: change that's.

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Speaker 5: Come out from the Royal Commission.

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Speaker 9: But what I would say is and because of the

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Speaker 9: change of the Royal Commission, police then had to make

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Speaker 9: that assessment.

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Speaker 5: It was an internal piece. They were doing what I

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Speaker 5: want to see in the commissions on the same page.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I've got to this point is getting it.

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Speaker 5: So the courts are the ones that determine it, and

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Speaker 5: they asked for the specialist assessment on it. Police are

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Speaker 5: police officers are not educators, they're not child workers.

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Speaker 9: But I'm trying to get what was happening before they

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Speaker 9: would go through and identify if they met the criteria

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Speaker 9: as in knowing right from wrong.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not very familiar with what of all the

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Speaker 5: questions were. We're constable.

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Speaker 9: The first year constable who arrests a thirteen year old

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Speaker 9: has to suddenly make an assessment as to whether they're

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Speaker 9: a thirteen year old?

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Speaker 5: Is there are specialists though also in police that help

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Speaker 5: them that advice. But yes, generally speaking, when police investigating.

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Speaker 3: It's difficult process.

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Speaker 5: It can I say that, yeah, you're right, and so

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Speaker 5: I got that directly from the front line when we

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Speaker 5: spoke to them. And then we come to a solution

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Speaker 5: where it's changed now. And I think the best place

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Speaker 5: to see that is the courts, and we do it

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Speaker 5: with parole. When a parole league comes before the parole

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Speaker 5: board and they ask for a specialist assessment. It's not

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Speaker 5: the courts, it's not necessarily community corrections. All the time.

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Speaker 5: They get the specialists from the specials. They pay for

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Speaker 5: that report, and I think in this instance we need

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Speaker 5: to do it. But it's worth noting for listeners. As

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Speaker 5: soon as they hit fourteen, DOLLY does not apply, so

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Speaker 5: that in that instance they're at fourteen.

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Speaker 9: So it now only applies essentially appording twelve and thirteen

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Speaker 9: year olds. Yep, correct right, because of the age of criminal

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Speaker 9: response and.

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Speaker 5: So before when it was ten the age it would

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Speaker 5: go ten through to thirteen. But again that was a

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Speaker 5: measure that police assport. It's a measure that we've changed.

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Speaker 5: It's a measure that commissions implemented to make it more

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Speaker 5: effective for his front line of becauset the end of

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Speaker 5: the day. And as with the corresponding model, we want

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Speaker 5: them out there catching criminals. We want them to feel

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Speaker 5: supported to go and catch criminals. I think I think

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Speaker 5: the fact that we're seeing an NTPA result that to

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Speaker 5: be fair, yes, it was seventy five percent of the

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Speaker 5: force said that. We think you know in that response

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Speaker 5: it was only forty five percent of their members that

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Speaker 5: actually complete it, so.

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Speaker 4: There as a significance much lower than one.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying. Yes, I understand that these

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Speaker 5: numbers aren't great, but it's still less than half of

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Speaker 5: the police force that completed it. And the fact that

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Speaker 5: we're starting to see an increase in the in them

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Speaker 5: feeling supported and then morale increasing says to me that

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Speaker 5: we're going on the right path to giving them the

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Speaker 5: tools that they need.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: I know that the opposition will say they're field, they're

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Speaker 5: not supported any but forty five percent of the complete

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Speaker 5: the survey.

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Speaker 6: Work or not give enough job or something, I don't

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Speaker 6: und acknowledge. Its acknowledged that the previous police minister file

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Speaker 6: because only seven or eight people on the bdo.

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Speaker 2: Now there's more.

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Speaker 6: But it hasn't helped the community be taken because you

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Speaker 6: go out in the street and you're going you see

665
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Speaker 6: people fighting, you see people drinking. So you might, you know,

666
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Speaker 6: talk about how good a job you've done, Brennan and

667
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Speaker 6: I said, you talk about a lot, but industry out

668
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 6: on the community it's still there. It's still a massive,

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Speaker 6: massive problem and that's what needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: We need to deal with it. Sort the people.

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Speaker 1: One area where it is still a big issue, and

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Speaker 1: one area that's been raised with me this week about

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Speaker 1: it being a massive issue in terms of dealing with

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Speaker 1: some violent incidents is within our emergency.

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Speaker 4: Staff at Royal dah And Hospital.

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Speaker 1: So I've been contacted by various people telling me that

677
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Speaker 1: there has been terrible violent assaults. We've seen nurses kicked

678
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Speaker 1: and had things thrown at them. We've seen security guards

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Speaker 1: injured as a result of violent assaults that have occurred. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think we all understand that when you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: people who can sometimes be under the influence of drugs

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Speaker 1: or alcohol, sometimes in a lot of pain, we understand

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Speaker 1: that there's always going to be an element of danger

684
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Speaker 1: that comes with that. But I just think it's totally

685
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Speaker 1: unacceptable some of the behavior that we've seen go on

686
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Speaker 1: towards our doctors, nurses, security staff, support staff at Royal

687
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Speaker 1: dah And Hospital. It's disgraceful and they should not have

688
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Speaker 1: to go to work worrying that they're going to get punched,

689
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Speaker 1: well kicked, something happening to them.

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Speaker 7: You know, the people who are committing these crimes or

691
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Speaker 7: you know, undertaking this kind of behavior. I mean, really,

692
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Speaker 7: it's like when paramedics get you know, attacked when they

693
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Speaker 7: go somewhere to try and help people.

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Speaker 8: Like, what does it if you want person, you want to.

695
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Speaker 7: Get help or you don't want to get Yeah, you

696
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Speaker 7: know so and I know medical people wouldn't do it,

697
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Speaker 7: but it's like go to the back of the line, mate.

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Speaker 4: I know, say that they never would.

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Speaker 7: If you get wounded and die in the meantime, well,

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Speaker 7: consequences of your actions, you know, Well, the government's got.

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Speaker 8: To do something.

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Speaker 7: I don't know exactly what, whether the measures have to

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Speaker 7: be changed. I mean, well what died to.

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Speaker 1: Make of Earlier in the week, I interviewed Leofanocchiaro, the

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Speaker 1: opposition leader, and she said that, I mean, she did

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Speaker 1: say that the COLP is going to reintroduce SPI hoods

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Speaker 1: for young offenders if they're in the watchhouse here in

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Speaker 1: the territory. But the other part of it is that

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Speaker 1: she said that they are that the COLP is looking

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Speaker 1: at prescribed sentencing for some affect inserts. So what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: let's call it introduce center.

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Speaker 6: To commit a crime, there needs to be a consequence.

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Speaker 6: And this is where labor government have watered down the crimes.

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Speaker 6: You know, the rage, crime responsibility. They took the police

715
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Speaker 6: powers away about drinking in the two K, so that

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Speaker 6: slowly eroded these police powers and loaded the consequences for

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Speaker 6: these criminals and the message he's been out there now

718
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Speaker 6: that you can do these crimes and not getting a consequence,

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Speaker 6: so let's go.

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Speaker 5: And do it.

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Speaker 6: And that's why these assaults have gone up. The alcohol

722
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Speaker 6: has gone up, the violence has gone up. You know,

723
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Speaker 6: these see videos of people getting bashed and hit, weapons

724
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Speaker 6: in the street, brawls of thirty forty people in the

725
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Speaker 6: street because the labor government have eroded these consequences and

726
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Speaker 6: they send a message that it's okay to do a crime,

727
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Speaker 6: where the colp through the community consultation that we deal with,

728
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Speaker 6: say that people want to make sure that there's a

729
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Speaker 6: consequence for your action. We know that Brent Potter himself

730
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Speaker 6: voted against the manatory sentencing for frontline workers last year

731
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Speaker 6: when the Seal people brot that into power. So it's

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Speaker 6: all good for the labor government here to say, oh,

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Speaker 6: we support these people. They had an opportunity to do

734
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Speaker 6: it last year and Brent himself voted against that. So

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Speaker 6: when it talks about these consequences, we know the CLP

736
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Speaker 6: want to make sure that the people in the community

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Speaker 6: are safe. We want to make sure that there's a

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Speaker 6: message sheet to criminals that if you commit a crime,

739
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Speaker 6: there's going to be a consequence. It's time to put

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Speaker 6: the rights off the victim over the rights of defender.

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Speaker 6: We're just lab the government have done for seven years.

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Speaker 5: It sounds great, alright, I'm just going to go through

743
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Speaker 5: every one of those that you put in there because

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Speaker 5: it is an election year and I get to talk

745
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Speaker 5: to those. I did vote against it, but.

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Speaker 2: What I also put frontline workers.

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Speaker 5: Let me finish, I'll let you talk unhindered, mate, I did.

748
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Speaker 5: I did vote against it because in no other states

749
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Speaker 5: their mandatary sentencing, for example, spinning on a frontline worker.

750
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Speaker 5: What we did was increase the penalty to ten years

751
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Speaker 5: if you spit on a frontline worker.

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Speaker 4: And as the mast sentenced to that there has.

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Speaker 5: Been I'll get your details in ten years. I don't

754
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Speaker 5: know about ten years. I'll have to ask that. But

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Speaker 5: it's same for murder. We've got maxim penalties for murder.

756
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Speaker 5: Like how many of them actually get sentenced in ma plenty?

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Speaker 5: I don't know what I can every week a minimum

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Speaker 5: every every week I get a list of every officer

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Speaker 5: or event that occurred where they've been assaulted. So I've

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Speaker 5: asked for that as a minister, so I understand what's

761
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Speaker 5: occurring and I know the numbers that are coming through.

762
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Speaker 5: What I can tell you though, is.

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Speaker 2: That you're going to get that list. Don't make it public.

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Speaker 5: When if you ever become minister, or or your opposition

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Speaker 5: later becomes minister, she can do the same she so chooses.

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Speaker 2: So you're not going to.

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Speaker 5: Name on it. It's good for me to know as

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Speaker 5: the minister, to know what is actually happening on the ground.

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Speaker 5: In relation to ten year olds and spi hoods, well, anecdotally,

770
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Speaker 5: I can tell you I've not seen one of those

771
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Speaker 5: reports come through with the youth spitting, but they do

772
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Speaker 5: have other mechanisms in place. The actual bigger problem is

773
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Speaker 5: adults adults spinning, and we've got a ten year maximum

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Speaker 5: penalty for that, and I would encourage the courts and

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Speaker 5: if people believe that in not sending is we have

776
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Speaker 5: mechanisms to review that. But ultimately the penalty is there

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Speaker 5: for them to be brought before the cortner does happen.

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Speaker 5: In relation to the two kilometer rule we're drinking, you

779
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Speaker 5: can't have an open container anywhere in Darwin, so it's

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Speaker 5: greater than two kilometers. And I introduced legislation last year

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Speaker 5: that puts them straight on the BDR. If you have

782
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Speaker 5: an open container in Darwin and police tip it out,

783
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Speaker 5: you're going on the BDR for seven days, you get

784
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Speaker 5: caught again, you going back on and you eventually there

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Speaker 5: for ninety days. But additionally, to make that power easier,

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Speaker 5: we gave them payper arrest for anyone that fails to

787
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Speaker 5: give their name when police are So.

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Speaker 9: If I'm having a beer at the footy tonight and

789
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Speaker 9: I've half finished my beer and I walk out of

790
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Speaker 9: the gates gardens overall and police officers stops me and

791
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Speaker 9: finds me with my half full can of beer, I'm

792
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Speaker 9: going on the BDR.

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Speaker 5: And to be completely honest with you, it is when

794
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Speaker 5: you're that called. So they've got a bit of discretion.

795
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Speaker 5: But yes, you'll go on the BDR. If you've got

796
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Speaker 5: an open containing, you go on the BDR. But you're

797
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Speaker 5: not going to draw the attention of police. I wouldn't

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Speaker 5: have thought, Matt. But what I can say is what

799
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Speaker 5: I can say is also for those on Mitchell Street.

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Speaker 5: Now that are involved in alcohol related defenses and being disorderly,

801
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Speaker 5: they're being if they're taking in the watch out they've

802
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Speaker 5: been put on the BDR, and I think it needs

803
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Speaker 5: to send a really clear message to people that al

804
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Speaker 5: caol is the biggest problem. Any social behavior is the

805
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Speaker 5: one thing that we all see and we don't agree

806
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be occurring. Now. The Labor Party will continue to

807
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 5: implement measures around the Band Drink of Register. The CLP

808
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 5: hasn't confirmed that they'll remove it, but what I can

809
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Speaker 5: tell listeners with almost two thousand people on the BDR

810
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Speaker 5: in seven weeks, there are less people getting access to

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Speaker 5: alcohol and what it does do is allows police to

812
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Speaker 5: target secondaries apply better and over the next three months,

813
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Speaker 5: I made it pretty clear in media when I changed

814
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Speaker 5: the bottle shop times there will be making BDR changes

815
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Speaker 5: that are likes it easier and safer for staff to

816
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Speaker 5: report a suspicious transaction, but also for police to understand

817
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Speaker 5: who are those high volume users that potentially may be

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Speaker 5: doing second I.

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Speaker 1: Was going to say what about because I spoke to

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Speaker 1: Tony in this earlier in the week from the noona

821
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Speaker 1: mar Tavn and he'd said to me, you know what

822
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Speaker 1: about people that are making big purchases at a few

823
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Speaker 1: different locations throughout the same day or the same week.

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Speaker 5: So I'll be working with hospitality into the next three months.

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Speaker 5: And that was the commitment I made to Alex and

826
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Speaker 5: the team that we start to bring in thresholds and

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Speaker 5: if you're going and I don't know that should.

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Speaker 9: Be easy to pick up for the BDR brought two

829
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Speaker 9: cartons at night.

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Speaker 5: I just need to finish it. Work does do an

831
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Speaker 5: aalys you can have one transaction a day and there's

832
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Speaker 5: a suspicious transaction button. So what I'm what we're looking

833
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Speaker 5: at is how can we bring not the one transaction

834
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Speaker 5: a day, but if you're going fourteen times in five days,

835
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Speaker 5: is that suspicious enough? And then also giving the operator

836
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Speaker 5: of the ability to still serve you if you're not

837
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 5: If you're green BDR, but they think that a bit

838
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 5: sus hit the button and it just registers it's suspicious

839
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Speaker 5: and then allows police later on to start to target

840
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Speaker 5: secondary spot.

841
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Speaker 6: Say one thing, it's all good, you know that you've

842
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 6: got all these measures coming into place, but remember this

843
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 6: Labor government has been in power for seven years, so

844
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Speaker 6: they've had seven years to fix all this and in

845
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Speaker 6: fact they how to fix it because we've got where

846
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 6: we are because of the the Labor government. So now

847
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 6: we're trying to fix it ine election year. Like Brent

848
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 6: just said, we you know, Gord, these things are coming

849
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Speaker 6: out in the last minute. But don't forget they've been

850
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 6: in power for seven years. These problems have been caused

851
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 6: because the Labor government have watered down the laws and

852
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 6: now they're trying to fix it in an election years.

853
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Speaker 6: So don't forget this was caused by the Labor government election.

854
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Speaker 7: But Kie just a question to Brent as a minister

855
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Speaker 7: in the government. So you press the suspicious button and

856
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 7: then that alerts police.

857
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 8: How does it alert police?

858
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Speaker 5: So the data at the moment goes to licensing and

859
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 5: the like, and then that gets handed over so the next.

860
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Speaker 7: Three so it's a physical transaction or so the data

861
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Speaker 7: goes into licensing and then who in licensing?

862
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 8: How do they get the information to police.

863
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: So they can export reports and the like, And over

864
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Speaker 5: the next three months we make it more streamlined so

865
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Speaker 5: that the police can get that directly. But the reality

866
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Speaker 5: is we've been very clear we support the BDR. I've

867
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 5: come in and said we need to make more changes

868
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Speaker 5: in the chiefs. Fill and the team. Autorey supportive on

869
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Speaker 5: that and that's what we've committed with Hospital and and

870
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 5: they're in principal supportive. What we don't want to do

871
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 5: is put more pressure on the retail and operator. I

872
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 5: don't want to punish everyday territories that have no issues

873
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 5: with alcohol, but those that want to misuse it and

874
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 5: want to play up on town that want to involve

875
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 5: themselves in secondary supply need to be targeted, brought before

876
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Speaker 5: the court and stop from getting alcohol.

877
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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

878
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Speaker 1: very short break when we come back. Well I'm keen

879
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Speaker 1: to talk about the fact that we're in an election year.

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Speaker 1: You can't half tell, can you tell you what? It

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Speaker 1: is going to be a busy year? We know that

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Speaker 1: we are heading to the next Northern Territory election in

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Speaker 1: August and it can't half tell. I mean, everybody's out

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Speaker 1: with different policies and different things that they're doing. But

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Speaker 1: it's going to be an interesting race to that election

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Speaker 1: with a number of very experienced will two very experienced

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Speaker 1: labor members in Port Darwin MLA, Paul Kirby and also

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Speaker 1: Nicole Madison bo announcing that they're not going to run

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Speaker 1: in the August election. Some questioning whether they are jumping

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Speaker 1: off a sinking ship.

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Speaker 5: You're going to answer that. I was going to close

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Speaker 5: it out, I think.

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Speaker 7: First, I mean, Nicole announcing her a time, it didn't

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Speaker 7: surprise me.

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Speaker 8: Paul Kirby wasn't.

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Speaker 7: I was a little bit surprised, but ultimately not surprising

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Speaker 7: because I've heard rumors or whatever. But I think when

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Speaker 7: they lost their ministry's ship, you know, and even if

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Speaker 7: Labor gets back in, you know, they might have new members,

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Speaker 7: different situations, different talent, you know, and they may not

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Speaker 7: get back into the ministry. So I think they've done

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Speaker 7: a very calculated assessment of their position in life and

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Speaker 7: their career, I reckon. And they may even have other things,

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Speaker 7: you know, lined up for what they're doing. Maybe, I

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Speaker 7: mean this parents business, you know, I might want to

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Speaker 7: spend more time with my children, health.

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Speaker 8: I'm leaving politics. I'm just running away from my family.

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Speaker 5: Your kids are on the phone running served their lectures

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Speaker 5: really well over time the years that they've been in

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Speaker 5: I mean Nicole has had I think three of her kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So I mean she's the right to go and be

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Speaker 5: a mother and go and spend some time with them,

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Speaker 5: and saying with Paul, Paul's got a young daughter, He's

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Speaker 5: done a period of time in Port Town, and he's

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Speaker 5: been a good local member. So I wish them all

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Speaker 5: all the best. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: not every not every profession you do for the.

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Speaker 1: Rest of your exactly the question it be interesting is

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Speaker 1: who then runs in those seats? And we know that

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week the seat, Yeah, that's exactly right,

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Speaker 1: And we know that earlier in the week it had

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Speaker 1: been noted that for Wane Guri I believe, and also

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Speaker 1: Andrew Moriarty yep. And then when you look at somewhere

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Speaker 1: like Port Darwin, I don't know who's put their hand up.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 3: The cast of thousands for Port Darwin and fong Limb.

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Speaker 4: A cast of thousands, thousands, but let's.

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Speaker 9: Say, but then struggling to get people in some of

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Speaker 9: those other northern suburbs cast.

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Speaker 5: Of thousands though, Matt, well, have they kept advertising for

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Speaker 5: the last six months applications closest today? I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Can I saying about just talk about these people resigning?

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Speaker 6: I think this really is and I'm sorry, Brent still

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Speaker 6: these nice words about spending time with their family and

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Speaker 6: stuff like that. But it really is a cover for

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Speaker 6: the chaos inside the Labor Party because you know, the

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Speaker 6: Cole Madison come out with a Facebook place saying I'm

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Speaker 6: going to run for Chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: The next minute she's resigning.

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Speaker 9: That's a good point, a good point, wanting to do this,

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Speaker 9: wanting to be the Chief Minister and presumably happy to

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Speaker 9: serve for at least another term if not to.

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Speaker 3: I've had enough spending.

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Speaker 2: And interesting what happens to attachment files next?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it is going to be very interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not just with you know, with the

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Speaker 1: seat of Nightcliff, but with various seats I think at

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Speaker 1: the next Northern Territory election and see how things do

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Speaker 1: pan out. But who puts their hand up to run.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be really interesting sort of

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Speaker 1: you know, a thing to watch.

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: I'll be surprised that the Seal he picks up one

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Speaker 7: Guri but bought down and Fong Limo I think are

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Speaker 7: definitely vulnerable for the government, the Labor Party. But it's

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Speaker 7: like everything, it's those two seats will be interesting because

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Speaker 7: there's no incumbency, like.

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Speaker 8: It's a fresh stay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 7: So you get good candidates from either side and they

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Speaker 7: work hard and they got good strategies, etc.

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Speaker 8: Et cetera.

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Speaker 7: Then you know, the best person who runs the best

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Speaker 7: campaign and isn't a good person will probably get the seats.

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Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, it's it's going

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Speaker 7: to be all about numbers. It's not only And don't

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Speaker 7: forget the redistribution. Some people keep forgetting that because even

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Speaker 7: Lawless seat in Drysdale, she lost Molden and Malden polled

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Speaker 7: very well for her in the last election, so that's

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Speaker 7: gone to Mark Turner's area. And the other one I

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Speaker 7: mentioned to people is Narrio Kids Karama. She has picked

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Speaker 7: up Nucky's Lagoon. Now no one in Knuckie's Lagoon votes

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Speaker 7: for labor Will and that's about three or four hundred votes.

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Speaker 7: And just that's in the polling status. I'm not telling FIBs.

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Speaker 7: You can go into the results. Jared knows because it

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Speaker 7: was his electorate. So she's picked up an there that

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Speaker 7: she is not going to get one vote.

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Speaker 5: Out of voters up there, and.

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Speaker 7: So so you know, suggest it's one thing to say

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Speaker 7: whether they've been working the elected and government and push

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Speaker 7: back for crime excel. But also don't forget to look

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Speaker 7: at the redistribution.

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Speaker 1: And the very interesting thing I think in the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory is the seats are not large. You know, the

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Speaker 1: number of votes that you're trying to get are not large.

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Speaker 1: So if you're popular, which.

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Speaker 9: Is a thing, and to give up incumbency in two

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Speaker 9: seats possibly more, he's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: To make your crime crisis going on.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, look it's you know, stuff before on top

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Speaker 1: hasn't worked.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Matt wearing for an interesting year mate, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to the No.

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Speaker 8: He's still a bit good bet for the CLP. Know

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Speaker 8: who those bookies are talking to, but they should talk

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Speaker 8: to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well look we are going to have to wrap

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Speaker 1: up for the hour. Jared Mailey from the CLP, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, Thank you listeners.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thanks for joining us this morning. Mate.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie Kezier Puric. Always good to have you in from.

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Speaker 8: The rural area. Thank you, Katie and.

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Speaker 1: Brent Potter, thank you so much for joining us. This

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Speaker 1: morning and we'll talk to you again on Monday session.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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