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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Hot Seat, Doctor Rebecca Ray. It's such

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Speaker 2: a nice name. It rolls out, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: I did stick with my last name because I'm a

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Speaker 3: bit of a fan of the illuseration, so my wife

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Speaker 3: took my last name.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 3: She was, Yeah, she took one for the team. Trooper.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, would you say you're sweet or savory?

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Speaker 3: It depends what time of day?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, okay, three pm?

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Speaker 3: Yes sweet? Yeah. I was about to say, if it's

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Speaker 3: three pm, I'm sweet. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And what would it be tea?

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Speaker 3: Oh sweet tea, sweet tea.

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Speaker 2: I thought for me, caramel and kuala mate. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love that. When I get back from America, I'm like.

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Speaker 3: If it's something like that, it would be a strawberry

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Speaker 3: thread of frog.

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Speaker 1: How good are they? How good are they? I've got

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Speaker 1: a surprise I'm going to give you after this.

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Speaker 3: I'm a strawberry thread because I be stoked if it is,

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Speaker 3: it's a strawberry flavored something that's super healthful. Okay, great.

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Speaker 2: If you could have a superpower, what would.

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Speaker 3: It be invisibility or that'd be handy? Yeah, I'm an introvert,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, and I live in a very small town

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Speaker 3: to be able to just become invisible. So oh, that's that.

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Speaker 3: You can still operate in the world, but I don't

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Speaker 1: Like Harry Potter, Cloak of invisibility, bring it on. Do

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Speaker 1: you have a fear?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I have many. I'm a professional scarty pack scaty cat.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I'm scared of everything that I and I think.

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Speaker 3: I'm most scared that this existence won't be meaningful. I'm

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Speaker 3: won't I won't love as well as I want to.

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Speaker 1: Mate, you're hitting the nail on the head. Do you

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Speaker 3: Um being trapped underwater?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that would not be a fun one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I couldn't go scuba diving or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many movies about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and like there's that caving movie that's oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can't even I can't watch anything like that. No.

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Speaker 1: My brother's a clearance diver in the Navy, so he

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Speaker 1: And I was like, you could not pay me any money.

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Speaker 3: So like bowing down to your brother for having those skills,

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Speaker 3: My goodness. The opposite is a firefighter and a clearans

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Speaker 3: of I'm like, we are literally you're an actor in

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Speaker 3: you have a favorite city?

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Speaker 2: But oh, bumblebees I always see a bumblebees. They've got

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Speaker 2: the beautiful, like the very Yeah, okay, what about nature spot?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite like part like we're recording

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Speaker 3: Or I'm a mountains girl and I live in the

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Speaker 2: I should have interviewed you a year ago.

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Speaker 1: We lived in Bangalow and all yeah, her heard was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. What's one of the best gifts you've

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Speaker 3: The love from my wife?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Do you have any regrets?

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Speaker 3: M There are versions of me, past younger versions of

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Speaker 3: it's hard to say. I'm not sure I necessarily have regrets.

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Speaker 3: I think there's more that I would regret that I

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Speaker 3: to do those things, if that makes sense totally.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like.

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Speaker 1: From what I have soaked up from you, your whole

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Speaker 1: shtick is like, Okay, I'm gonna do the scary thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to do the thing that matters. What's

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Speaker 3: the thing that gives me meaning? I can't tell you

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Speaker 3: what that is for you can't. I can't write that

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Speaker 3: It's just am I doing the thing that feels meaningful,

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Speaker 3: whether that be planning to have miniature donkeys or planning

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Speaker 1: Oh, I could see you in Scotland just saying minute

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Speaker 1: donk is apparently like fully imprint on you, and I like,

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Speaker 1: I'll bring it on.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 3: There's a breeder in town.

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Speaker 2: Do you have TikTok No? I like to donkey. I kept.

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Speaker 3: I got the user name from TikTok so that I've

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Speaker 2: No? Oh, it's fun. It's just fun to like.

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Speaker 1: I love watching snake Catches, which fits in with my

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: It could be the middle of that. I'm like lights going.

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Speaker 3: A favorite movie? This is a hardy. It's so hard.

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Speaker 3: It's not there's so many goodies. It's not because you

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Speaker 3: my goodness, cut from the same.

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Speaker 2: Every christis.

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Speaker 1: I like Matt, It's it's Halloween in a day. Right

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Speaker 1: after that we start watching Holiday.

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Speaker 3: It's the Score, It's Jack Black, It's Queen's Black.

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Speaker 1: In La I was on my phone to Matt. We

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Speaker 1: I said to Matt, oh my god, Jack Black, and

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Speaker 1: He was fun to follow on instead during COVID he

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Speaker 1: was yes, yes, talent, a great human being. What about

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Speaker 1: a song? You have favorite song?

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Speaker 3: Again, this is probably a bit random. Anything by John Farnham.

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Speaker 3: I'm like super fan John Farnham. So I walked down

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Speaker 2: I've seen him live. Have you seen him live eight times?

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Speaker 2: But if it's a docco that's just come out about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when movies, it's actually more about Glenn Wheatley, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, we're both. We're both with musicos. You've

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Speaker 1: Like, do you have, always says to Yogi's like a

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Speaker 3: The day after my pop died, not Ronnie, my other grandfather.

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Speaker 3: didn't say profound things, and yet this just came out

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. Yeah, what a gift to give you.

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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely every day. I think about that when I

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Speaker 3: when I'm in an overthinking spiral, which is on a

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Speaker 3: regular basis. Listeners, And yes I am a clinical psychologist,

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Speaker 3: Yes absolutely, I write books on the topic. Absolutely, still struggle.

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Speaker 3: the point. We have to make our own point? There

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Speaker 3: is no point, mate, You've got to get these miniature donkeys.

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Speaker 1: The Irish said, is a gordess. I've seen you do

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Speaker 1: going get here, I'm like, this is gold. You are wonderful,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you so much for jumping on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's been an honor.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,