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Speaker 1: Breaking news in the Australian newspaper today the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Government launching an investigation into the IMPEX operated LNG processing

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Speaker 1: facility near Darwin after accusations that potential cancer causing emissions

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Speaker 1: have been significantly under report it now. The probe follows

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Speaker 1: revelations that volatile organic compounds may have been miscalculated for

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Speaker 1: the last seven years so according to the report by

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Speaker 1: Liam Mendes, scant details have been made public by impacts,

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Speaker 1: with the Northern Territory Government immediately ordering an investigation into

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Speaker 1: the major discrepancy when briefed last week and demanding an

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Speaker 1: investigation be expedited.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Opposition leader Selena Ubo joins me on the line. Selena,

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Speaker 1: obviously these details are still flowing through, but what is

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Speaker 1: your reaction to this news today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I'm quite shocked. I know that the Australian

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Speaker 2: did do that release of the article today and there

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Speaker 2: has to be an investigation. Absolutely no doubt than that.

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Speaker 2: There has to be some very tough questions answered, and

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Speaker 2: I think that the CLP has acted in the right

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Speaker 2: way and ordering this investigation. I fully support that, particularly

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Speaker 2: when you look at what the concerns are around health

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Speaker 2: for humans, health for territorians. I think that's huge news,

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Speaker 2: so support the investigation. I hope that it was just

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Speaker 2: last week that the clp knew and that they haven't

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Speaker 2: been holding on to this information any longer. But there

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Speaker 2: has to be an investigation, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean on that this is obviously something that

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Speaker 1: the report says has been happening for the last seven years.

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Speaker 1: So is it something that you were aware of?

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely not, Katie. This is definitely news to me.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a huge concern, and particularly if it

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Speaker 2: has happened under our labor government. If it's been happening

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Speaker 2: for several years, that makes me even more concerned about

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Speaker 2: what are the reporting mechanisms. I know there's been some

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Speaker 2: mentioned in the article about irregular data. How has that

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Speaker 2: picked up, How does that communicated? Is that looked at

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Speaker 2: to then make sure that something like this isn't dangerous

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Speaker 2: for territorians. I'm very concerned about this, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I know that impets's senior vice president of

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Speaker 1: corporate Bill Townshend, has insisted that the air quality monitoring

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Speaker 1: in the Darwin region had consistently shown emission levels well

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Speaker 1: within government guidelines and said there was no increased health

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Speaker 1: risk to the community. But I think what we probably

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Speaker 1: need here is an independent you know, an independent body

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Speaker 1: telling us that.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree Katie. I mean, I very much

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Speaker 2: respect the work that Impact does and the impact it's

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Speaker 2: had for the territory economy, but that still doesn't take

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Speaker 2: away from what needs to give territories that peace of

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Speaker 2: mind and confidence that when industry is working here in

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Speaker 2: the territory, that territorians are safe and that we do

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Speaker 2: have those protections not just for territorians and health, but

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Speaker 2: also for the environment.

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Speaker 1: I've no doubt some further questions to be asked. I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming as Parliament resumes today of the government on this.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right. Will be following up with the government

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Speaker 2: on this and getting some full information.

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Speaker 1: Minister, sorry Opposition leader, I should say, I do want

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Speaker 1: to just take you across to another story, this time

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Speaker 1: in the ABC this morning. It's been revealed today that

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Speaker 1: INNT assistant ministers have spent thousands of dollars in travel.

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Speaker 1: That's according to this report. Now, as we both know,

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Speaker 1: the assistant minister role isn't recognized in Parliament, but a

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Speaker 1: freedom of information request reportedly found that three backbenches, Ollie Carlson,

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Speaker 1: Laurie Zeo and Coda Patel, spent a total of eleven

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars on travel since October last year. I mean, Selena,

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Speaker 1: this is on the back of the misuse of the

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Speaker 1: white cars that we've spoken about on numerous occasions. But

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Speaker 1: what is your reaction to these revelations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting when we look at the

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Speaker 2: costings and the reporting of what those duties are. And

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Speaker 2: we did have assistant ministers when Labor was in government, Katie,

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Speaker 2: and in my first two years as a backbencher, I

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Speaker 2: I respect that position. I mean, when Leah was in opposition,

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Speaker 2: she did rubbish assistant ministers. I think Gary Higgins has

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Speaker 2: to describe something people aren't fully behind it. But in

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Speaker 2: that's pretty important for you know, Leah now as chief minister,

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Speaker 2: I think it's important for her leadership to be able

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I guess an this is an interesting

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Speaker 1: was very difficult to see to really have a crack

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Speaker 1: similar scenario now, I guess, well, we've got these assistant ministers.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, have have racked up eleven thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: that it was also reported by the ABC back in

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Speaker 1: you too had racked up quite a substantial amount for travel,

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Speaker 1: one night. So I think probably for people listening this morning.

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Speaker 1: What they want to be sure of is, as I

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Speaker 1: said last week on the white car stuff, that people

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Speaker 1: are not taking advantage of the privileges that you guys

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Speaker 1: have when you're in these positions, but also that there's

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Speaker 1: an actual outcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's really important, Katie. I know

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Speaker 2: the trip that was reported around me was around the

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Speaker 2: Native Title, a Native Title Minister's meeting which hadn't been

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Speaker 2: held for about two to three years, so the Chief

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Speaker 2: I did travel to Canberra, but for a you know,

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Speaker 2: it was a national minister's meeting. I guess here in

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Speaker 2: the territory there has to be some maybe some type

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Speaker 2: of guidelines. Is it an excursion to go around and

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Speaker 2: see the Beterloo, is an excursion to go over to

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Speaker 2: nilam Boy and to talk to different organizations or is

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Speaker 2: there are actually some outcomes that are attached to it?

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Speaker 2: And I think that's probably what maybe the COLP could

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Speaker 2: do to provide that comfort to territorians. What are the

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: willy nilly. It is our taxpayers dollars, it's not monopoly money.

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Speaker 1: So we need to make sure that it's being spent

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Speaker 1: in place and what were those outcomes? But Selena, I

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Speaker 1: of crime. It's something that has been on top of

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Speaker 1: the agenda for such a long time on this show

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Speaker 1: over recent years. Yesterday, of course, we spoke to the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister about these crime statistics that were released on

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Speaker 1: Friday showing a drop in offending across the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: now compared to the same period last year. There were

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Speaker 1: over twelve hundred fewer offenses recorded between January and August,

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Speaker 1: down seven point four percent overall. That includes major reductions

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Speaker 1: in assaults, break ins and commercial burglaries. Have you had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had a look Friday the release and tried

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Speaker 2: Of course Darlin, Palmers and Our Springs as our three

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Speaker 2: and I think that's a good story for Territorians. It'd

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Speaker 2: be great to see what's actually making that happen. If

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Speaker 2: understand what is of concern though, Katie is those stats

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Speaker 2: that have increased, particularly around harm against a person, around

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Speaker 2: I think when it's crime against the person, unfortunately, it's

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Speaker 2: our regions, in our regions, it seems to be unalarmingly

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Speaker 2: quite large. Again, the Chief Minister, as the Police Minister

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Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, this summer season, this

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Speaker 2: we see crime spike, both in property and personal offenses.

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Speaker 2: I would really be keen to see what the government's

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Speaker 1: Opposition Leader. I know the government have pointed to increase

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Speaker 1: contributors to those crime stats going down. I mean, do

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Speaker 2: I think that's definitely part of the reason, Katie. But

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Speaker 2: comes to corrections. Who know that the government has basically

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Speaker 2: that's the part that the government is not talking about.

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Speaker 2: That's the part we're keen to see them get right,

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Speaker 2: because if we don't, that's where we're going to see

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Speaker 2: that cycle of crime and that cycle of offending behavior continue.

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Speaker 2: I think the government is well placed to be able

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Speaker 2: to do more than one thing at one time, so

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Speaker 2: that is an area we would like to see them

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Speaker 2: speak more about, because once someone's come out of corrections,

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Speaker 1: Opposition later, I know your press for time, as are

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Speaker 1: we this morning. What is on your agenda today in Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's actually a bit of a light agenda this week, Katie. Interestingly,

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Speaker 2: the Member for Fong Limb spoke for three and a

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Speaker 2: half hours last week around the report on voluntary assisted dying,

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Speaker 2: which is so important. I know, something that many territories

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Speaker 2: want to see happen in the NT But I just

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Speaker 2: don't think we've even got three and a half hours

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Speaker 2: worth of legislation to speak on this week from the government.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be doing our best, Katie. We will be

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Speaker 2: scrutinizing what is before the House. There's only three bills

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Speaker 2: at the moment and two that are interconnected, which is

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Speaker 2: actually part of the work that Labor did a few

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Speaker 2: to support renewables in the Northern Territory and reliable energy

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Speaker 2: and sources being able to connect in the territory. So

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Speaker 2: we very much support that. It'll be very interesting to

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Speaker 2: see what sort of statements or reports the government decides

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Speaker 2: to bring on to fill their time.

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Speaker 1: Well. My understanding as well, is it the Chiefiness is

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Speaker 1: Ethics Commissioner, that independent statutory office that consolidates integrity functions

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Speaker 1: including the NTIKAK and of course the Ombudsman into one body.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen any of that legislation. I know it's

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Speaker 1: being introduced today, but is it something that the Opposition's

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Speaker 1: going to be supporting.

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Speaker 2: No, we found out in the media. I haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: First answer. I found out this morning in a media

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Speaker 2: release and on the radio that this is going to

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Speaker 2: be introduced. Again, we very much welcome anything that improves

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Speaker 2: integrity and ethics in the Northern Territory. I think quite

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Speaker 2: interesting that the government's going to introduce it in a

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Speaker 2: week where they still refuse to publicly release the white

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Speaker 2: car policy, which is not a Cabinet document. It is

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Speaker 2: not confidential, it can be with the public, Katie, so

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Speaker 2: that if this is going to help them to read

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Speaker 2: by their own guidelines and to accept that Territorians want

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Speaker 2: to see some really well established integrity commission and that

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Speaker 2: integrated approach. This is something similar to what is in

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Speaker 2: the Australian Capital Territory in the Act and Canberra they

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Speaker 2: have a Combined Human Rights Commission. The model I understand

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Speaker 2: for this commission that's being proposed will be similar along

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Speaker 2: those lines. But until it's introduced, Katie, we'll do our

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Speaker 2: work once we see that writing. But I think this

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Speaker 2: is a really important one to have properly scrutinized, to

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Speaker 2: be able to provide the public with that confidence that

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Parliament, not just the government, but the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Parliament is wanting to see improvements when it

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Speaker 2: comes to integrity and ethics in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Well, Opposition, Lady Selena, You're both always good to chat

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Speaker 1: with you. Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: Keate, thank you