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Speaker 1: The opposition leader Leofanocchiaro joins me in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leo, Good morning Katie, and good

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Speaker 2: morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah Fursley, some really sad news yesterday with the

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Speaker 1: passing of former Deputy Chief Minister and Treasurer and long

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Speaker 1: term Member for Catherine, Mike Read. We know that he

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Speaker 1: was first elected in March nineteen eighty seven. He served

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Speaker 1: as the Country Liberal Party Member for Catherine in the

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Speaker 1: Legislative Assembly for sixteen years, retiring in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: No doubt a real territory leader lost yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very very sad news and it comes as a

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Speaker 2: huge shock to territorians who you undoubtedly remember Mike's contribution

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Speaker 2: to the territory of a very very long period of time.

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Speaker 2: He was excuse me, he was a Deputy Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: for a very long time and an exemplary treasurer. He

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Speaker 2: was known for his tireless and fearless advocacy for the territory.

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Speaker 2: He certainly didn't take any Yeah, he didn't let Canberra

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Speaker 2: bus us around or anything like that. You know, you

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Speaker 2: know that the territory had a strong voice when it

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Speaker 2: came to Mike read and he served the people of

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Speaker 2: Catherine very very well for those sixteen years and of

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Speaker 2: course his legacy will be left left behind and always

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Speaker 2: we will remember him for what he did. And you

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Speaker 2: know he was involved in some very important matters like

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Speaker 2: the floods in Catherine on that Australia day Long weekend

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Speaker 2: and of course when the East Team will conflict broke out,

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Speaker 2: so very sad and the outpouring of support for Mike

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Speaker 2: and his family. Of course, our thoughts are with Anne

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Speaker 2: and the family at this just devastating time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of love to his family at this very

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Speaker 1: difficult time.

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: Moving along, we do know a that last week you

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Speaker 1: were incredibly fired up on the show about the Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs quarantine situation. Now, yesterday we learned just how much

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Speaker 1: the flight cost to charter from Alice Springs to Darwin

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Speaker 1: and back. Take a listen to what the Health minister.

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Speaker 1: Let me just find the audio for you actually and

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Speaker 1: take a listen to what the Health Minister had to

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Speaker 1: say to us yesterday on the show.

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Speaker 4: A flight to bring people from Alan Springs to Daan

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Speaker 4: was approximately forty thousand dollars. And then I've been advised

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Speaker 4: that around thirty thousand dollars were spent in repatriating people

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Speaker 4: back down to that Alice Springs facility.

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Speaker 1: So over seventy thousand dollars for that charter flash.

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Speaker 3: Is that acceptable in your eyes?

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Speaker 2: I think it just reinforces what a terrible debarcle that

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Speaker 2: whole experience was for Territorians last week. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: quarantine not being at capacity, the Gunner government having no

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Speaker 2: contingency plans to fit those people into mandatory quarantine, some

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Speaker 2: people being quarantined at home, some people being sent to

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Speaker 2: to Darwin, only to be turned around and sent back

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Speaker 2: you know, the next day. It just highlights the gross

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Speaker 2: incompetence that we saw last week, and I certainly hope

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Speaker 2: the Gunner government have learned its lessons so that Territorians

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Speaker 2: don't have to shoulder costs like this into the future,

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Speaker 2: and that we can have confidence that our hotspot management

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Speaker 1: Lea, the Health minicin Natasha Files told us on the

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Speaker 1: week that was last week they will make sure that

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Speaker 1: they have got agreements in place with those hotels.

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Speaker 2: Now is that good enough? Well, I certainly hope. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have to take the government on their word,

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Speaker 2: don't we. I mean, at the same time, during that

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Speaker 2: people must be in mandatory quarantine, it's got to be

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Speaker 2: able to deliver on that. And of course what we

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Speaker 2: government's got to make a decision around whether or not

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Speaker 2: But certainly we can't have another chaotic instance like that.

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Speaker 2: It was very distressing for people in Alice Springs. It

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Speaker 3: Now, Leah.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that the government continuously sees when

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Speaker 1: say that you've got no credibility in this space because

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Speaker 1: you wanted to open the borders, and then of course

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Speaker 1: we saw the situation which unfolded in Victoria. Now, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Of course, Katie, and this is just political nonsense from

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Speaker 2: the election campaign. I think Territorians understand that at that

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Speaker 2: time when many people were calling for borders to be reopened,

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Speaker 2: there was very, very minimal COVID at that time. Of course,

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Speaker 2: a few weeks later we saw the outbreak in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: To say that the health advice wouldn't have been followed

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Speaker 2: is an absolute nonsense. Of course, Hotspot and all those

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Speaker 2: other management techniques that we deploy now would have been deployed.

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Speaker 2: So it's a political weapon that they use to cover

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Speaker 2: advocate for what Territorians expect and what Territorians want. That

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Speaker 2: is my role as the opposition leader. And the Gunner

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Speaker 2: It handled that hotspot management appallingly and instead of taking

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Speaker 2: to blame the hotel industry, so appalling. They can point

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: One issue that I do want to talk about, which

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Speaker 1: is quite unbelievable. We know the Northern Territory News is

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Speaker 1: reporting that police officers in Darwin have been asked not

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Speaker 1: to tell the public when they're the only ones on

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Speaker 1: Judy is the four struggles to cope with staffing restraints. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory News obtained an email which was sent

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Speaker 1: out to officers by superintendent on Friday outlining how recent

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Speaker 1: rosters have been affected by staffing restraints. You are, of course,

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Speaker 1: the opposition spokesperson for police.

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Speaker 3: Is this acceptable in your eyes?

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Speaker 2: I think it just highlights how much pressure police are

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Speaker 2: under and it's not okay for the Police Minister continuously

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Speaker 2: come out and say police are being resourced more than

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Speaker 2: ever before. We've got more police than ever before. Of

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Speaker 2: course we do, because every year the police budget increases

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Speaker 2: itself is not a measure of success. We know that

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Speaker 2: crime is a huge issue right across the territory. Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs is at breaking point. We've seen you know, community

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Speaker 2: doing the best job they can. We've got you know,

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Speaker 2: COVID obligations, which of course is very important. And because

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Speaker 2: the Gunner government, we've now got serious issues. I mean,

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Speaker 2: remote policing is a big issue, policing in our urban

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Speaker 1: And I want to go into that a little bit

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Speaker 1: further because in this email, which the Northern Territory News

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Speaker 1: are times where staffing for two vans cannot be achieved,

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Speaker 1: it asks that police don't stress about jobs on hold,

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Speaker 3: Yes, you will probably go.

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Speaker 1: From one job to the next, but remember some days

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Speaker 1: that's recorded too. I mean, look, I think you've hit

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Speaker 1: police force is stressed. There is no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're being pulled in so many different directions

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Speaker 1: legislation that's in place, you know, for so many different areas,

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Speaker 1: it requires additional police.

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Speaker 3: It requires the police to manage that.

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Speaker 1: We've got to get smarter in the way that we're

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Speaker 1: dealing with different things so that every responsibility doesn't fall

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Speaker 2: That's right, and we've seen the Gunner government just continue

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Speaker 2: to pile responsibility upon responsibility on our police. You know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen a response in Alice Springs with

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Speaker 2: But of course those police don't come out of thin air.

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Speaker 2: certainly hear from the Police Association around the rostering system

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Speaker 2: You know, largely I suppose due to COVID, but also

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Speaker 2: due to our crime response. So things are not okay,

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Speaker 2: it needs to. And this is a classic example of that.

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Speaker 3: ATLIA. I feel as though.

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Speaker 1: We're getting to the point where the community is crying

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Speaker 1: out again on some of these issues with crime. Now.

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Speaker 1: Mark and teewee'z just messaged through and he said, good morning,

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Speaker 1: Katie not sure if he saw TV news last type,

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Speaker 1: but a woman in Nakara has had to move out

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Speaker 1: If that's not bad enough, the Chief Minister, when asked

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Speaker 1: of crime counseling. Now, that is not the only message,

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Speaker 1: obviously that we've received about crime. I spoke to Tina

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Speaker 3: The rural area at the moment. People are fed up. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what needs to change, but I know

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Speaker 1: that we have been talking about this for such a

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Speaker 2: And what is it going to take for the Gunner

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Speaker 2: government to realize that. I mean, in June we had

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Speaker 2: this long list of promises, no doubt because of the

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Speaker 2: And yet we've seen nothing. You know, no legislation is

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Speaker 2: time for talk is over. They've been in government for

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Speaker 2: four years. Do Territorians have to suffer another forum? The

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Speaker 2: victims of crime example is a really important one, and

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Speaker 2: again it comes back to managing your books. If you

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Speaker 2: don't manage your books, you can't spend money on the

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Speaker 2: things that really matter. And that's really coming home to

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Speaker 2: roost now. But the people who suffer are Territorians. And

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Speaker 2: just like the lady out in the car who's I

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Speaker 2: think it was six times in three weeks she got

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Speaker 2: broken into, she's moving suburbs. Many people are actually leaving

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Speaker 2: the territory and we cannot address our population issues and

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Speaker 2: grow our economy if we can't get Laura in order

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Speaker 2: under control. And people are leaving because they're afraid well.

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Lea Finocchiaro, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Good to catch up with you this morning.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time. Thank you, Katie, thank you,