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Speaker 1: Ryland Podcasting. Now we're doing a mindful Monday, would Will.

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Speaker 2: And Woodies Mindful Mondays mindful man. You know, the current

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Speaker 2: isolation policy is really starting to speak to anyone, really

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Speaker 2: starting to get to people just in terms of their

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Speaker 2: their mental health and their mood sort of unraveling a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Obviously, these are unprecent and circumstances and really

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Speaker 2: tricky in terms of just getting tipped out of the

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Speaker 2: balance of the rhythm that sort of stabilizes your mood.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting as well.

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Speaker 3: But you know, this is not only people that have

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Speaker 3: you struggled with mental health in the past. I think

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Speaker 3: people that have never had mental health issues that for

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Speaker 3: the first time of their life going I'm struggling a

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Speaker 3: bit good isolation. So I think now more than ever,

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Speaker 3: it's good to be, you know, getting some messages out

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Speaker 3: and it's going to help those people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a whole bunch of experts who are

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Speaker 2: coming on today to help you guys. As again streaming

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Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio, you can get the podcast if need to

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Speaker 2: tune out at any stage.

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Speaker 1: And our next guest is Kirsten Bause.

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Speaker 2: She's a clinical and forensic psychologist she's director of per

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Speaker 2: Psychology Collective, which is over in Wa as well.

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Speaker 1: But Kirsten, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Oh, I've got a pause and everything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're live on Bood's veranda at the moment. There's

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Speaker 2: a crowd gathered at the front. Now, Kirsten, just before

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Speaker 2: which is essentially I'm sure anyone who's trying to see

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Speaker 2: a GP. Recently you get moved over to this telehealth

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Speaker 2: thing where you've got to talk to somebody on a

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Speaker 2: Skype screen, et cetera. How I know that you guys

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Speaker 2: are struggling a bit because you're getting asked to go

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Speaker 2: and do all your consultations on telehealth, but you're not

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Speaker 2: getting compensated enough for your work there. And now you know,

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Speaker 2: even looking at you know, potentially there's a dog next door.

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Speaker 2: Sorry that, but now you're potentially looking at the chance

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Speaker 2: of you know, even having to think about closing your practice,

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Speaker 2: which is just so dire because the setup by the

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Speaker 2: government isn't isn't helping you at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, we are waiting for some fine details around

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Speaker 4: yesterday's announcements. So yesterday the government announced that they'll be

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Speaker 4: making telehealth accessible to all Australians and that includes GPS

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Speaker 4: and allied health practitioners, which psyches are. But the fine

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Speaker 4: detail we're not sure about is whether or not we

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Speaker 4: will be required to bog build our services. And as

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Speaker 4: much as that might sound like a really lovely thing

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Speaker 4: the reality is for us that the bog bill fee

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Speaker 4: A lot of people kind of think our fee that

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Speaker 4: we take home is actually you know what we exactly

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Speaker 4: others might still come to the office, the reality is

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Speaker 2: All right, well, jeez, I hope they help out there,

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Speaker 2: and can I ask I don't, I don't. I know

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Speaker 2: you've always got doctor patient confidentiality, But what sort of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, the biggest thing is the lifestyle change and

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Speaker 4: You know, what are the other restrictions that are yet

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Speaker 1: That stuff at home. I was talking to my dad

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Speaker 2: they were genuinely expecting increases in domestic violence over this period.

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Speaker 3: but now they do. So if you're Okayson, can we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, as long as it's not my own kids calling.

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Speaker 3: Well, we can't promise that, Kerson. We know they're big

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Speaker 2: thrilling post. Now, during this weird time, Woods and I

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Speaker 2: Will and Woodies Mindful Mondays, Mindful Man, which is essentially

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Speaker 2: with us right now. Kirstin, thanks so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: No worry, we're live from We're live from.

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Speaker 2: Woodies a round here, so if you hear the occasional

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Speaker 1: But Kirstin, you've got four kids.

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Speaker 2: And we were just talking just to you in the

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Speaker 1: Do you just want to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm sure that I mean across the spectrum, there'd

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Speaker 1: With each age group. Well how do you go about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really really good point.

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Speaker 2: Well, the old self judgment can be crippling these times.

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Speaker 1: It could be a good one for partners as well.

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Speaker 1: Good one for partners as well.

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Speaker 4: Kirsten definitely definitely.

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Speaker 1: Does that help? Does that help you, Isabella?

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Speaker 3: you could slip into our DMS as well.

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Speaker 1: Will's very intelligent.

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Speaker 2: to you, and I really hope the government ends up,

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Speaker 2: end of the day, there's no psychologists at this time.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people are in a lot

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Speaker 2: become a premium and they can come and help you

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Speaker 2: guys out like they've helped out so many other people.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate your hearing that as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for having me. It was fun. Bye.

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