1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud your 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: and the storytelling of you to make a difference for 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: today and lasting impact for tomorrow. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: Let's get into it. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money. 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to The Money, the podcast for millennials 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: who want financial freedom. Welcome back to another one of 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: our Friday Drinks episodes where we get to celebrate the community, 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 2: share our money wins and confessions, and have a cheeky 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: little beverage with our friends. Everyone in the audience seems 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: to have a beverage as well, which I think is 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: a ten out of ten. We're going to have a 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: chance to answer today some of our questions from our community. 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: We're going to chat a little bit about my new book. 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: She's On the Money and in the second half of 22 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: this episode Slash Live show, we are going to be 23 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: inviting a very special guest, my friend and also she's 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: On the Money community member, Sammy Rose. But before we 25 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: get there, as always, it is time to catch up 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: on the week that was Miss jessic RICI, how are you? 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 2: I'm really good. How are you? I'm Aura, I'm very tired. 28 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 4: Actually, you know what, It's that default thing of when 29 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: someone asks you how you are doing, like, oh, yeah, 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: I'm great, when sometimes you're not. And I am very excited, 31 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: but I am very tired. 32 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: We actually we did like a full blown meditation slash 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: half nap before we came today. It was like three 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: pm and we had to come to like do set 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: up and pack all of your gorgeous gift bags. And 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: Jess was like, let's go down to the pool. I'm 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: so excited, Like we're staying at this beautiful hotel. We're 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: in Queensland. We don't know what hot weather is, so 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: she wanted to experience it. And I was like laying 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: on the bed waiting for her to change into her swimmers, 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: and when she came out, she said, what are you doing? 42 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: I was like just having a little power nap and 43 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 2: she's like, do you think we should just have an 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: app instead of going to the pool. And I was like, yeah, babe, 45 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: I did a meditation and you took a nap. Okay, 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: So we put a meditation on. It was meant to 47 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: be twenty minutes of meditation. It was just like an app. 48 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm obviously not talented enough to run that myself. And 49 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: the timer went off to be like, now it's time 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: to get up, and I was like, extend snooze and 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: justs is like, get up. So she goes and has 52 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: a shower and I'm still in bed when she comes back, 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: and she just wasn't that impressed with me, And I 54 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: get it. I get it. But I am well rested 55 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: and very excited for this show. Me too. 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: I feel like we've got to catch up. But something 57 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: else that's going on a lot, and something that we 58 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 4: both love talking about. And we had a few beautiful 59 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: community members backstage with us earlier and they were also 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: very excited to talk about. 61 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: It was wedding planning. You're in the thick of that now. 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: And I was going through our dms before and someone 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: actually said, when's the wedding den Blake coming out, and 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: I was like, it's coming, but it's something that we've 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 4: been having a lot of fun chatting about in the office, 66 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: and something that we're getting a lot of questions because 67 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 4: I guess everybody's getting married, not me, James, hint, hint. 68 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: But I'm going to tell him they listen to this 69 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: episode and just this one nothing. I'll just send him 70 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: the audio snippet. To be honest, it's much easier get 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: the point across, be real direct. But you're in the 72 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: thick of it right now, VD, how is it all going. 73 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: There's a reason wedding content hasn't come out yet, and 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: that's because I'm embarrassed of the way I've been marryingingging 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: my budget. It's really bad. Turns out, managing a wedding 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: budget is actually much harder than I had had thought 77 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: it might be. In my role as a financial advisor, 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: I have helped clients through this process and I'm like, oh, 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: it's fine, just make sure you stick to the budget. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: When they're like, oh, we're a little bit over on florals, 81 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: like baby, it's time to get a new quote, like 82 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: you need to find somebody else, like sticking to the 83 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: budget's really important. And now I'm picking and I'm like, no, 84 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: we're not going with any other florist. That it's the 85 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: only one I want, honey, Like, I don't understand why 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: it's so hard for you to combrand. So yeah, it's 87 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: going well, thanks for asking. 88 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: Wedding content will be coming, but we want to get 89 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 4: it right. And obviously it turns out planning wedding takes 90 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: up a lot of time, and he's very busy, and 91 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: then you actually have to get married, then you actually 92 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 4: go on a honeymoon. So probably early twenty twenty threes 93 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 4: when that will all be coming out. We have a 94 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: whole bunch of it planned. But this is the last 95 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: show of the Torch. We talk a little bit about 96 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three in general, because where. 97 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: We have so much end of the year, if we 98 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: have so much coming up, and it's not like we 99 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: didn't do enough this year, but I genuinely feel like 100 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: we didn't do enough this year, Like we've got so 101 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: much to go. Obviously we've got a whole bunch of 102 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: wedding content coming up for the men in the room, Like, 103 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: you guys are so lucky, and I know you can't 104 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: wait for your partners to ask for in agement rings. Yeah, yeah, 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: I'm going to be promoting that. But wedding content, what else, 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: jess Have we got We've got I don't know. 107 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: Our beautiful events coordinator Rochet's here, and I don't know 108 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: if I'm going to get in trouble. I'm trying to 109 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 4: see if I can see her. I can't see any 110 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: If she's angry, I'm not going to know. But we 111 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: are planning, the. 112 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: One running around making sure everyone's doing their job. 113 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's doing a great job of keeping us 114 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 4: in lines like hurting cattle. Sometimes we're just really difficult. 115 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: But we are planning at the moment for International Women's Day. 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: She's very exciting. If you guys remember last year, yeah, 117 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: we'll no, they did. 118 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: Because we didn't give them an event last year. Jessica, 119 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: this is our first time in Brisbane. We didn't even 120 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: mention that, which is very exciting. If yeah, everyone's like, ah, 121 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: well I get married, No one collaps I come to Brisbane. 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: Everyone's like whoah, Like all right, get your priorities straight. 123 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 4: That You'll be happy to know that Brisbane is looking 124 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: like it will be on the list. We are so 125 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 4: excited to be out here first time, and I mean, 126 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: if the crowd is anything like it's been so far, 127 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: I don't see how we can't come. 128 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: Turn out of ten And it's much better because it's 129 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: mainly not me talking and international Wednesday. You get actually 130 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: good guests, Like it's not just podcast content guests. Yeah, Like, 131 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: but you're not really a guest, are you? Like you 132 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 2: are half the show, aren't you? 133 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: Well? 134 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: I mean I guess we need get it like that, 135 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: but no, So there's that coming up. We're planning a 136 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 4: lot of really fun podcast content. We're working on bringing 137 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 4: back a show as well that a lot of people 138 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 4: might remember and love called The Property Playbook, which is 139 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 4: very fun. 140 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: Which to butt in here, Jess is obviously very excited 141 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: about because she's now the entire host of that show, 142 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: Like she has her own show. Guys, that's worthy of celebration. 143 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: Uh, you guys are really nice to me. But yeah, 144 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 4: as someone who is literally trying and currently failing to 145 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 4: buy a house, I'm very excited. We have some great 146 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: guests for that season. It is such a good show, 147 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: and we have i mean not just plug it all, 148 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: but while I'm here, why not we have a really 149 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: good Facebook group, we have an Instagram and I know 150 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: that a lot of people are on kind of the 151 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: same journey that I am right now. So if you're 152 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: having a hard time looking for a property, or if 153 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 4: you just bought a property, or if you're thinking about 154 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: buying a property, or. 155 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: Now you don't even like property at all, but. 156 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: You like me, that's a good one. Come and join 157 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: those groups and keep an eye out because that podcast 158 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: will be coming back and I am super tooper pumped 159 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 4: about it. 160 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm super excited about that second half of the year. 161 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: I think we're bringing back the Business Bible, but I'm 162 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: going to make no promises on that because that's not 163 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: Just's priority. She's like, no, I don't care about that. 164 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: You work that one out. So that will be back. Obviously, 165 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: we are probably going to try and push a lot 166 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: more book content, and when it comes to International Women's Day, 167 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: I am I'm just excited for that because it's such 168 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: an engaging event. I know you guys didn't get to 169 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: enjoy it last year, but to be able to bring 170 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: it to a new state for us, like I know 171 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: that we're on a very shiny stage at the moment, 172 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: so it probably looks like we're a bigger business than 173 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: we are, but like we are a very small team. 174 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: Like in the She's on the Money team, there is 175 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: just five of us because to be honest, that's all 176 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: like an afford to have on bay Roll at this 177 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: point in time, and the idea of you know, getting 178 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: everybody up to Brisbane and doing the events like events 179 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: are you know, arguably very expensive, but like, I'm so 180 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: proud of the team to get to a point where 181 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: we're like, Okay, we're probably going to do Brisbane and 182 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: there's the possibility of Perth if we can make it 183 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: all work out like that to me is insane because 184 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: even doing events a couple of years ago was an 185 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: absolute pipe dream. And now we get to see all 186 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: of you. And as much as this podcast recording is 187 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: so fun, my favorite part is after the recording when 188 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: we get to all hang out. We're all sharing a 189 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: drink and I get to potentially sign your books if 190 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: you want me to sign your books, and all right, 191 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: we'll girl. I get to sign your books, but I 192 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: also get to like talk to you about your money 193 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: wins and confessions, so please come up and tell me them, 194 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: Like it makes my heart so insanely happy Jess. Should 195 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: we get into money wins and confessions? Let's do it, 196 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: and let's do it all right, It's time for our 197 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: budget direct money Wins and Confessions of the week, Miss 198 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: Jesse Ricci, what have you got for us? 199 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: My first win is from Kieran, who said I'd been 200 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: looking at this fancy Pat McGrath makeup palette at Sephora 201 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: for a few months and saved up. Then Sephora had 202 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 4: a sale, so I got twenty percent off, plus I 203 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 4: used the money I had in my shop back account 204 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 4: to buy a forty dollars Sephora voutcher, So a two 205 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: hundred and ten dollars makeup palette came down to one 206 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 4: hundred and twenty eight dollars, which was the exact amount 207 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: that I had in my spledge account. And I feel like, 208 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: if that's not the universe saying buy the. 209 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: Palette, I don't know what is the Pat McGrath Palette's 210 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: like nobody, nobody else is gonna care about at McGrath. 211 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: Did I say McGrath? I mean that's cute, thank you? Yeah? 212 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: Are you serious? Pat McGrath is not in our audience? 213 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: Are you're joking? What you're shitting me? I was like, Bye, 214 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: they're real expensive. Why are you at the back? What 215 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: is going on? But they're really good and they're really expensive, 216 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: so that's actually a money win anyway, someone's excited, not 217 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: just Pat mcgra alright, moving on. I was like, low key, 218 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: get get hers. Talk to her sponsorship opportunity right there. 219 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: If anyone does know, Pat mcgradats right here, Like, just 220 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: slide on into my DMS. I will accept it inzero 221 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: point two seconds. All right, I have one, not as 222 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: exciting as a makeup palette, but I feel like I've 223 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: picked this one because it was about the Gold Coast. 224 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone goes on holiday to the 225 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: Gold Coast if you live here, I feel like that's 226 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: where the tourist. Yeah, but I've got a money win 227 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: about the Gold Coast anyway. This is from OL friend Melissa. 228 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: She says, I went on holiday to the Gold Coast 229 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: and I wanted theme park passes. I checked with my 230 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: IRAC membership, and instead of paying one hundred and sixty 231 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: nine dollars per ticket, we got to pay one hundred 232 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: and forty five dollars per ticket, which meant that she 233 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: got ice cream and drinks. They're basically in her books 234 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: for free, which is an absolute money win. She also 235 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: took packed lunches. 236 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 4: Which meant they didn't spend any more than they had 237 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: originally budgeted. Is everybody ready for me to change your 238 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: view of Victoria Divine Forever? We obviously, yeah, I know, 239 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: becore we came up we're obviously so close to the Goldie. 240 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: I personally haven't been up here since a family holiday 241 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: like fifteen years ago. And I was still where she's 242 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,239 Speaker 4: going with this because we were in really close proximity 243 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,359 Speaker 4: to the theme parks. And I said, oh my gosh, 244 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: can we go to a theme park? Because that's what 245 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: you do want to work? 246 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: Jessica Ricky is a Disney adult, so that comment made 247 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. And Victoria said to me, I 248 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: don't really like theme parks. And I was like, what 249 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: do you mean? You don't like who? 250 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever in my life met somebody 251 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,239 Speaker 4: who said they didn't like theme parks. 252 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: Theme parks suck like they they are. I know we're 253 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: talking probably to the wrong ground here, but they are 254 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: full of small children who are screeching, people who don't 255 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: know how to walk in a straight line, and people 256 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: who walk insanely slow, overpriced cold chips that are melted, 257 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: and rides that make me nearly poop my pants. Like 258 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: I just have no interest in this. Sounds like a 259 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: great day out to me. I was like a terrible 260 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: day out. We just sidetracking this for a hot second. 261 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: We just got back from the US. We went to 262 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: fin Con, which I was so excited about. The will 263 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 2: I think came from the girls I went with, from 264 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: my millennium money, because no one else in this room 265 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: is excited about content like that. But I was so 266 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: excited to go, and I said to Jess, like, let's 267 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: go to FINCN She's like, one, what is Fincon? Explained it. 268 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: It's a finance content creators conference, Like so exciting. And 269 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: Jess is like, oh so we're like you know, let's 270 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: just budget this properly. So like maybe you go and 271 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: then if it's good next year, I'll go. Like she 272 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: was trying to get out of it, and I was like, oh, okay, 273 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: no worries. Well, Disney World's there. She's like, oh my gosh, 274 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: I'll look at flights. It's all good. It's all good. 275 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: I'll come. I'll come. So yeah, like you're through and 276 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: through theme part person. But I genuinely think of anything worse. 277 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: And when I have children, I will literally not tell 278 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: them that theme parks exist. Like they'll be like, oh 279 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: my god, Disney. I'll be like, yeah, they're just movies 280 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: like done done, the belief place that doesn't exist. Oh 281 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: my gosh. 282 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: Well maybe that's a future money in for you and 283 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: a life loss for your children. 284 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: You know what. I hope you're still around because you 285 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: can take them. Auntie. Jess will be the fun Auntie. 286 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: Let me tell you my next money win though it 287 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: comes from Laura, and she said money win. I've been 288 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 4: waiting for shot back to have an upsized cash back 289 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 4: with the company I'm planning on getting my wedding invitations 290 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 4: from more wedding content. You're welcome, she said. So today 291 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: I was checking and there was an upsized cash back 292 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: and the website was having a sale. So I got 293 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 4: all of my wedding stationary ordered for under one hundred dollars, 294 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: plus I got ten point five percent cash back. 295 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: Am I insane? For going one hundred dollars? 296 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: Seems like a lot of money for letter letters like 297 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: to invite people. Oh, everyone's like, girl, you've got no idea. 298 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 4: I can hear it in the audience. You can tell 299 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: that I'm not engaged or married. 300 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 301 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: No, no, So that was another thing that I didn't 302 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: budget for properly. I thought stationary was going to be 303 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: like office works prices, like that's where you get stationary. 304 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: And I run a business, so I buy stationary. So 305 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: I clearly know what stationary costs. Right, No, no, no, no, 306 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: wedding stationary is very expensive. It's why half of my 307 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: invitations became emails. Yeah. I was like, you can have 308 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: one thing and one thing only, and it will be 309 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: the RSVP card, and it'll be in an extra small 310 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: envelope and we are done, and I will give you 311 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: a copy if you want it, like I'll print one 312 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: off my printer. But otherwise, here's this email. See that's 313 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: how your RSVP to my wedding, right, Like you got 314 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: saved a date in a mail and you're like, wow, 315 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: that's a nice email. I thought it was really good 316 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: guy environmentally friendly. Yeah, exactly, it was for the environment. 317 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: I have a money when it is from our friend Rachel, 318 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: and she says, so I've been really trying hard to 319 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: pay off my buy now, pay later services because I 320 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: know that they are so detrimental to my future financial freedom. 321 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: And I'm a bit of an impulse buyer, but I'm 322 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: really conscious with my spending now. Anyway, I finally paid 323 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: off a buy now, pay later service with a Big 324 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: four bank, and as I went to close the account 325 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: with the contact center, I was advised that I'd actually 326 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: overpaid by three hundred and six dollars. So my money 327 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: win was not only did I finally pay it all 328 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: off and close the account for good, I mistakenly also 329 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: saved or overpaid three hundred and six dollars, which is 330 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: now going straight into my savings. I love that. I 331 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: think that's a good money win. 332 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 4: My favorite part is when you said three hundred and 333 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: six dollars, Like a few people are like, oh, like 334 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,359 Speaker 4: I really some people are enjoying that one. 335 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: Girlfriend three hundred bucks, like you're halfway to buying some 336 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: stationary for a wedding. Like that's a lot of money. 337 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: That is a lot of money. It has been great 338 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: celebrating some of your budget Direct money wins. Budget Direct 339 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: winn of can Stars Insurer of the Year Award twenty 340 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: twenty two. Budget Direct insurance self. 341 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 4: I should put you on the commercial just for that 342 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 4: finger gun, because I feel like, if anything's going to 343 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: sell insurance. 344 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: Got that on camera, because I'm going to send it 345 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: to them. 346 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: We're getting into talking all about the reason that everybody 347 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: is here, which is investing, which is very fun. If 348 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 4: you had said to me that I would be spending 349 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 4: a Saturday night in a room full of people to 350 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: talk about investing a couple of years ago, the response 351 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 4: you got from me is something that I can't say 352 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: on this podcast because we don't swear. 353 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: No, do you know why we don't swear. It's not 354 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: because we don't swear in person, because we definitely do. 355 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: It's actually so that we can rate our podcast as 356 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: not explicit, which means it'll like ran higher so you 357 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 2: can plain in the car with your children and not 358 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: bite my head off. It's really good. It's really good. 359 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: But we learned that early on, and now I sound 360 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: far more articulate than I actually am, and people like, Wow, 361 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: you're so classy, and I'm like, mmmm, that's my editor. 362 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: It makes me sound so good. 363 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: We have a few questions that were asked here, and 364 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: I know that we're pushing our time so I might 365 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: just pick the one that I think most people in 366 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: this room probably can relate to probably at some point 367 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 4: have wondered if they've started their investment journey, and that is, 368 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: once you have started investing, it's a very exciting step. 369 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: What is the best way to track your progress? Because 370 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 4: I know that for me sometimes I look at people, 371 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: you know, when we talked about money dirists, for example, 372 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 4: and I hear people say one of our recent dirests 373 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 4: was like, I have two hundred thousand dollars in super 374 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 4: and somebody else has a fifty thousand dollar portfolio, and 375 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 4: I'm like, my spaceship has some hundreds in it, and 376 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 4: that's okay. And it's kind of in the red right now. 377 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: And it can be hard firstly to track my personal progress, 378 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 4: but also I guess comparing where I'm at personally to 379 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: where people who started before me or after me, or 380 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: whatever that might look like where they are now. 381 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: So how do we track that? 382 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: I guess both ourselves but also from a handy admin 383 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 4: point of view as well. 384 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: So I think you hit the nail on the head 385 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: accidentally when you said track my pro Like you are 386 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 2: tracking your own progress, You're not looking at what your 387 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: friend did. You're not looking at what you know the 388 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: guy down the road did, or the influencer that is 389 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: selling you bitcoin on Instagram is doing. I definitely don't 390 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: look at them. Yeah, don't look at them. Don't look 391 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: at our Instagram comments either. I swear someone has a 392 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: lot of money to be paying those bots to do 393 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: what they do. Like, if you know them, let me know, 394 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: because I would love to have that type of promotion 395 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: for She's on the Money. Can you imagine like every 396 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: single post someone else did I invested with She's on 397 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: the Money. Like that would be sick. Anyway, I digress. 398 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 2: So it's about tracking your own progress. It's not about 399 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: tracking somebody else's. I think comparison is absolutely the thief 400 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: of all joy. But it's about actually setting clear goals 401 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: and remembering that progress is important, but it's not essential. 402 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes life happens, and it doesn't mean that we have 403 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: to be at a certain point. And by consistently rechecking 404 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 2: with that goal and going does that actually still make 405 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 2: sense to me? Like if you were saving for your 406 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: first home and then you started listening to Shes on 407 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: the Money in the Property Playbook and you're like, wait, 408 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: I don't even want to own property, and then you're 409 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: comparing yourself to that goal in the future, Like that 410 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: makes no sense because it's no longer aligned to your values. 411 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: So I think we need to one have really clean, 412 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: clear goals Jesse. In my first book, how Wanky I 413 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: Love It. In my first book, I talked about, you know, 414 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: setting smart goals, and I summarized those down to the 415 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: SotM goals because smart was just too long for me. Also, 416 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 2: it was way more on brand, so we summarized it down. 417 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: But having trackable, clear, articulated goals that make sense, not 418 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: just goals that are like, oh, I'd love to save 419 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: for a house, and then I asked someone what are 420 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: you doing for that? They're like, oh, I've just got 421 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: a savings account putting my savings in there. Like how much? 422 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 4: When? Where? 423 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: Why? What's our goal? What's our goal date? How does 424 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: that work? How do I help you track that? Progress? 425 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: I think is really important. But it's also about not 426 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: just hoping you get to the end. It's about sell 427 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: reading the small successes and celebrating as we go along, 428 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: because small progress is progress and it's brilliant and it's beautiful. 429 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: And I think even if you're not making progress, that 430 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: is progress in itself if you're able to identify it 431 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: and say, all right, like, I'm probably not saving what 432 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: I thought I would. Let's go back to the drawing board. 433 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: Let's redo our budget and our cash flow and actually 434 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: sit down and work out what that means. Because just 435 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: because you're not meeting that goal means you're failing at it. 436 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: It just means there's something else happening that you need 437 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: to identify, and that's cool, we just need to work 438 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: it out. If it means that you're going out a 439 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: little bit too often and blowing your savings, like maybe 440 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: you want to have a chat about maybe pushing that 441 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: goal off because you really enjoy that and didn't prioritize 442 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: it enough at the start. So I think it's really 443 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: about prioritizing you and your values and your goals and 444 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: tracking only based on past you, because if you start 445 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: looking at what everybody else is going to do or 446 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: is doing, you're going to end up in a little 447 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: bit of a pickle. But you're never going to feel 448 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: good about yourself. You're never going to feel good about 449 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: your goals if you're comparing like for like, that sounds 450 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: pretty good to me. 451 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 5: After that we'll edit up grade. 452 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 2: Ah, let's go to a break because I think we 453 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: just need to cut me off here. Don't go too 454 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: far and we'll be definitely gravely drink because we're going 455 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: to be having a drink in the second half too. Hello, 456 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: my friends, we are back and I am so excited 457 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 2: for the Yes. Do you want to introduce who we're 458 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: going to be hanging out with for the remainder of 459 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 2: the evening? 460 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yes, I feel like we're besties and 461 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 4: a little fun inside scoop is you might have actually 462 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: heard her on the podcast before without knowing, But tonight 463 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 4: we have the beautiful Sammy Rose, who is a registered counselor. 464 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 4: She's a way inclusive personal trainer and a body confidence 465 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 4: coach from Brisbane. Her main areas of specialty are in binge, 466 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 4: eating and body image issues, but she also provides general counseling, 467 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 4: helping her clients manage their stress, their anxiety, navigate life's hurdles, 468 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 4: aligning more with their values and living a life that 469 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 4: truly allows them to thrive. 470 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: Let's give a really warm welcome to Sammy Rose. 471 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 6: Hello, my love, Hi, I'm so excited I've done many podcasts, 472 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 6: but never whole stage things. 473 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: This is very got your fancy chair. I got kicked 474 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: off the fancy chair so she could have the fantasy chairs. 475 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: I tried to ask for it, but they kept saying no, 476 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: oh now I feel bad. No, that is fine. Thank 477 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us for our live podcast recording. 478 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: I am so excited. I asked for permission to share 479 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: this backstage because in the very first season, has anybody 480 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: listened to the first season or real just newbies, We've 481 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: listened to the first season. So do we remember the 482 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: money diary about the influencer? Yeah, it was Sammy. 483 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 6: I was influencer thirty three. 484 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: It was such a good money diary. But you have 485 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 2: grown and changed and kicked all of these goals since then, 486 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: and we're not only going to ask about that, but 487 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 2: we're also going to ask about your job, your investing journey, 488 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: and each and every single thing in between that fits 489 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: within the half an hour allocated slot that I have 490 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: been given. We can talk about it after, but let's start. 491 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: I'm very excited to have you. As always, when we 492 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: have a guest on the show, we always ask them, 493 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: do you have a money win or confession you want 494 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: to share. 495 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 6: With us, I do, and I'm actually really excited to 496 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 6: tell you this one. So I have been hustling for 497 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 6: a really long time. I bought a house last year, 498 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 6: which is a money win in itself, but I've been 499 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 6: working really hard to get my little emergency fund up 500 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 6: and going because I've been wanting to invest. 501 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 5: Would we know the rules, You've got. 502 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 6: To get your emergency fund in a good place first. 503 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 6: And I literally hit my goal yesterday. Now yesterday, thanks, 504 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 6: So I'm stoked. So I'm like, what great timing for 505 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 6: the book because now I can get my together. 506 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 5: And I can actually invest. 507 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: That's so exciting yesterday and you saved that, literally share 508 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: on stage. I'm very excited. I feel like that deserves 509 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: another round of applause, because emergency funds are the best. 510 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 4: Now, Sami, we obviously just read out your very impressive bio, 511 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 4: but I wanted you to kind of take us all 512 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: through in your own words a little bit more about 513 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: what you do, because, like you said, you've changed and 514 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: grown so much since you were on the podcast, and 515 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: you've been doing some amazing things. 516 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 2: So tell us all about it. 517 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, my business has changed a lot. 518 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 6: I've been a sole trader since twenty fifteen, so working 519 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 6: completely for myself, which is crazy to me. I never 520 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 6: even thought I would be a business owner, let alone 521 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 6: a successful one. 522 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 5: Kind of doing my own thing for so long. 523 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 6: But I started in personal training and online coaching, but 524 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 6: over the last few years, I've really changed away from 525 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 6: the whole like eight week challenges and all of those 526 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 6: things into I'm now a registered counselor. I'm focusing on 527 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 6: more body image, eating issues, all of those kinds of things. 528 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 6: So my niche has changed a lot, which means my 529 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 6: sort of reach in terms of clients has also changed. 530 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 6: But it's really grown into a business that I'm so 531 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 6: passionate about and I feel so fulfilled by. It's something 532 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 6: that is like such a personal passion to me as 533 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 6: well as like I just you know when you have 534 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 6: a job, like this is my job, Like I get 535 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 6: paid to do something that makes you feel, Yeah, we 536 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 6: get it. 537 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 5: It's wild. So it's such a blessing. So yeah, that's 538 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 5: what I do. 539 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 6: I kind of split my time between counseling and I 540 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 6: still do some health and fitness coaching, but from a 541 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 6: quite a different perspective. 542 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 5: I guess to what I used to do. 543 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 6: It's much more about kind of balance and enjoying things 544 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 6: and aligning with your values. 545 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 5: So yeah, that's kind of that's what I do. I 546 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 5: love it. 547 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: I want to change back the gears straight back to 548 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: money because I love it and I want to know. 549 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: Can you describe to us what your current relationship with 550 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: money looks like and maybe explain a little bit about 551 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: how that's changed over the last three years since you 552 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: were on our podcast. 553 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess my relationship with money is ever changing. 554 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 6: I am anxious by nature and by diagnosis, but for me, 555 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 6: I am someone who definitely I worry about the inconsistency 556 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 6: of running your own business in something that is not 557 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 6: the exact same income every single week. So I get 558 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 6: very worried. I have to make sure I have all 559 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 6: this nest eggs. So I've always been that way. I'm 560 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 6: the eldest of six kids as well, so I've been 561 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 6: raised in a home that was very thrifty, very careful 562 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 6: with things. You know, we had what we needed, but 563 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 6: we didn't always have a lot of money to spare. 564 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 6: So I think I still live my life in that 565 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 6: way a lot of the time as well. So, yeah, 566 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 6: running my own business is sometimes a little challenging from 567 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 6: that mindset perspective of feeling stable. But I do have 568 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 6: my income kind of split across a few different income 569 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 6: streams now, which is really nice. So I have one 570 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 6: side of my business one hat that I wear as 571 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 6: my counseling hat. I have some coaching clients as well, 572 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 6: so they're kind of fifty to fifty in terms of 573 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 6: the main income for me in how I split my time. 574 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: But I also have some passive income. 575 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: I have some ebooks and things through my website, do 576 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 6: a little bit of influencing work, but not a lot 577 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 6: of paid influencing work because I would rather advertise. 578 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 5: My own business and make more money that way. 579 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 6: But yeah, it's kind of nice to have a few 580 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 6: different little streams for me. 581 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 5: That just helps keep things moving forward. 582 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: I guess, how did you start with different income streams? 583 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: I feel like so many of us just have one 584 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 2: and then we're like two, where's two gonna come from? 585 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: And You're like, I just have so many different income streams, 586 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: Like that's not relatable content. How do we do that? 587 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 6: I feel like I'm one of those you know, those 588 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 6: jugglers on a unicycle that's like also juggling plates. 589 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 5: That's me at all times. 590 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 6: But I guess, yeah, I started with the one I 591 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 6: was doing the health and fitness coaching. Then I branched 592 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 6: out service wise, so they're still technically under the same business. 593 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: I just kind of have two different sets of clients, 594 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 5: I guess throughout the week. 595 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 6: But yeah, the passive income was something that was just 596 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 6: I was just following the demand I was growing in 597 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 6: terms of social media. I was having a lot more 598 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 6: client inquiries than what I could physically keep up with, 599 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 6: and I wanted to be able to help people and 600 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 6: I couldn't do all of that work one on one, 601 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 6: So I guess it was a a great problem to have, 602 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 6: and that I just wanted to find a way to 603 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 6: help more people and put great content out there and 604 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 6: really help the people that couldn't access me, either that 605 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 6: I didn't have the time or they didn't have the 606 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 6: money to invest in one and one with me. So yeah, 607 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 6: that just kind of naturally happened. I feel like that's 608 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 6: kind of my life story a lot of the time 609 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 6: that I just I work behind the scenes and then 610 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 6: good things happened to fall in my lap, and it's 611 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 6: such a blessing and it's such a privilege to have that, 612 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 6: but I don't want to give it all to a 613 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 6: lot because I do work my butt off for it. 614 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 4: How do you find navigating the health and wellness space, 615 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: because that's a space I think historically that has been 616 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: a little bit challenging and a little bit capitalized on 617 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: almost at times in a way that is maybe not 618 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 4: putting people first. And you know, when we were talking earlier, 619 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 4: you're so passionate about people and about them being looked 620 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 4: after and about them being provided the right tools and 621 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: the right resources, which isn't necessarily, unfortunately always the case 622 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: in that industry. What does that look like for you 623 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, navigating I guess that responsibility 624 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 4: that's on you alongside your own personal passion for people. 625 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 6: That is a great question, and that's really why I've 626 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 6: changed my business so much over the last few years. 627 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 6: Like I said, I really started out doing the whole 628 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 6: like eight week challenges, a lot of fat loss stuff, 629 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 6: and it was very, very profitable for a good period 630 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 6: of my business that I was making a lot of money, 631 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 6: and that was what I was personally into as well 632 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 6: at the time. But I've kind of been on my 633 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 6: own journey over the last few years and kind of 634 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 6: found my own balance and sustainable approach and really incorporated 635 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 6: a lot more mental health into the work that I do. 636 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 6: Obviously now that I've got my counseling skills as well, 637 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: so I can see where there were kind of things 638 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 6: that I was doing previously that I didn't really know 639 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 6: necessarily were problematic at the time, but that are things 640 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 6: that I just don't feel aligned with who I am 641 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 6: and kind of how I want to influence people now. 642 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 6: So I've really kind of redirected my business into making 643 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 6: sure that I'm focusing on a whole person approach and 644 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 6: what are people's values and what are the other things 645 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 6: in their life that are really important that maybe previously 646 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 6: they were, you know, foregoing things like going out for 647 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 6: dinner with friends and having a social life and all 648 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 6: of those things in order to chase their goals as 649 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 6: quickly as possible. And now it's really about, well, what 650 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 6: is important to you and can we find a way 651 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 6: to kind of juggle all of that and not just 652 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 6: achieve your health and fitness goals or your mindset goals 653 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 6: or whatever it is, but also enjoy the process and 654 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 6: enjoy life while you're doing that. 655 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing. Back to money, because I can see raring 656 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 4: to talk about investing. 657 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: Oh, we want to know more about that. 658 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 4: You hinted this before, but do you currently invest and 659 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: if so, how are you doing that? 660 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 6: I don't yet, but now I'm in a good place 661 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 6: where yesterday of yesterday. So I'm like cheering on the 662 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 6: inside because this book is like perfect timing. I'm sure 663 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 6: you guys are feeling the same. I'm not a huge 664 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 6: risk taker, so I've always been really nervous and I 665 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 6: was like, I just need this nest egg, I just 666 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 6: need this emergency fund and then I can stop and breathe. 667 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 6: And now I think I'll probably start with like, you know, 668 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 6: micro investing, maybe a little app or something just to 669 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 6: you know, the little round up of my coffee, just 670 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 6: to dip my toe in the water. But it's one 671 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 6: of those things that I think, like, I'm sure a 672 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 6: lot of you guys feel the same of it. It's 673 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 6: just really foreign a lot of the time, and the 674 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 6: overwhelming information can feel like a lot. But I think 675 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 6: when you start small and just kind of get comfortable 676 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 6: and work your way up, that tends to be the 677 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 6: easiest way to get into literally any kind of goal. 678 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 6: So at least you know I can keep following along 679 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 6: with your tips and hopefully get in there very soon. 680 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: I feel like you've been really good at following our tips, 681 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: Like since the last time we literally spoke on the pod. 682 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: You're like, so, yeah, I bought a house and I 683 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 2: have an emergency fund and I've done all this stuff, 684 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: and like that's eppy. 685 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 5: I told you I'm an O two follower for you. 686 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: I know, because like I literally was like, will you 687 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: be on the fifth episode of my podcast and we 688 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: don't even know if this is going to be any good, 689 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: but please be on it? And you were like, yes, Queen, 690 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: I love it, But I want to ask more about 691 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: I guess the investing side of things, and you know 692 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: your comfort levels, cause you've obviously got a best friend 693 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: who's a financial advisor and you're just going to start 694 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: with my care investing. But that's a whole other thing. 695 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: But you're in this circumstance where like, I want to 696 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: start investing, but it still feels overwhelming, Like where do 697 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: you think you're actually going to start? Like is there 698 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: a monetary value that you're like, Oh, I'm just going 699 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: to do a couple of dollars a week, or are 700 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: you going to pick a platform and dump some cash 701 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: on it? Like, have you thought about strategy when it 702 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: comes to investing. 703 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 6: I haven't thought about it a lot, because literally it's 704 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 6: been one day, give me. 705 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: A minute, it's all I think about. 706 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 6: I have been thinking about it, though, and I think 707 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 6: I probably want to kind of set myself a number goal, 708 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 6: maybe like a five hundred and two one thousand dollars, 709 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 6: because I feel like if something went wrong, that's a 710 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 6: money amount that I think I could afford to lose 711 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 6: and not die. 712 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 5: But you know, that's. 713 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 6: Probably the most that i'd probably want to jump into 714 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 6: straight away. So yeah, I'm not one hundred percent sure 715 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 6: if I want to do. 716 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 5: What's that bucket? Thing in the bucket? 717 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 6: Yes, I always bus I've been listening, I've been picking 718 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 6: things up along the way, but I haven't locked anything 719 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 6: in yet. So I think I just want to kind 720 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 6: of get a feel for things. Like where I get lost. 721 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 5: Is just how do you know what's good? You know? 722 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 6: How do you know what you actually choose when it 723 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 6: is something that you're making that choice. That's what overwhelms me, 724 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 6: And I'm like, what if I pick wrong anxiety. 725 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 5: You know, I have to really have a think about it, and. 726 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 6: There's so many what ifs in my head, so I think, yeah, 727 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:24,959 Speaker 6: I just say it's a little bit, a little bit 728 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 6: more learning, a little bit more reading the book. 729 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 5: I feel like you'll tell me in the book. 730 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: I actually have a couple of book recommendations if you'd 731 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: like to. 732 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think you might help. 733 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: I can help. I want to know. So you said 734 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: that you haven't started. Have you invested historically? I feel 735 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: like you've invested in business. You've invested in a number 736 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: of things, so I want to know about that history. Yeah. 737 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 6: I invest in myself definitely in my business, and I 738 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 6: try and make sure that I am putting money aside 739 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 6: to like reinvest in my business in terms of planning 740 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 6: for future growth. 741 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 5: So that's really important. 742 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 6: I do have my super fund that you know, I 743 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 6: put a little bit into to make sure that that's 744 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 6: kind of growing in the background. But really, like the 745 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 6: last few years have been so focused on buy my house, 746 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 6: and I figure that's a pretty good investment and hopefully 747 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 6: that's going to make me some money in the long run. 748 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 6: Because I'm putting my own little tweaks on things. I 749 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 6: don't know if you guys have seen, I'm doing lots 750 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,959 Speaker 6: of I'm a big like DIY make things look really 751 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 6: cute in my own house and not pay people to 752 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 6: do it. So I'm doing a lot of my own 753 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 6: little kind of esthetic renovations. Don't like I'm not knocking 754 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 6: out walls or anything like that. 755 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 5: Don't worry. 756 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: I'm very aesthetic. I was about to I just I 757 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,479 Speaker 2: don't know if you guys saw me like shoot around 758 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: to jests and I was like, can we this is nice? 759 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 760 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 4: I love anyone who listens to I love a good 761 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 4: DIY the DIY space. What kind of projects have you tackled, 762 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: because I feel like, as we've kind of spoken about, 763 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 4: buying house is very expensive and something that a lot 764 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 4: of us want to do Getting projects done by yourself 765 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 4: labor makes up such a significant part of the cost 766 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 4: of changing a home or of renovating. If you can 767 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 4: do things yourself, that's a really great place to save money. 768 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 4: What kind of projects have you done and do you 769 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 4: have like a ball park on like, how much cash 770 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 4: you've kind of saved by doing that. 771 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 6: My biggest project that I've done so far is my 772 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 6: pool area, have a pool. 773 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 5: It feels very fancy. 774 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 6: This is a lot cheaper here compared to like Melbourne listeners, 775 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 6: if you listen to the podcast, it's not the same. 776 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: But his second she said at the back, she was like, yeah, 777 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: and the house has a pool. Do you want to 778 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: see my pool area? I was like, this is not relatable, babe, 779 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 2: like that that's a pool. She's like, oh, here's how 780 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: much I paid And I was like, what, Just do 781 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: you want to move to Korean's last? Like I could 782 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: afford I could afford way bigger house. Like at the moment, 783 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: the house I've bought is in a good area, but 784 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: when I have kids, they're definitely getting like a triple 785 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 2: stacker bunk bed, Like that's where you're at, and I'm 786 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: just not willing to compromise. 787 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 6: You'll have to move them up here at some point. 788 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 6: It's much more after. 789 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: Weather better, everything better, more exciting. People like what. 790 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 5: You're not wrong? 791 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's been my most recent project. Is Like 792 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 6: it was just like concrete, right, just pretty boring, Like 793 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 6: I'm still cute, but it was just like playing concrete 794 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 6: and it kept getting really dirty from like the rain 795 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 6: was getting ingrained in the concrete. 796 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 5: It was really irked me and I was like, oh, 797 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 5: I really want to get it tiled. 798 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 6: But that's so expensive and like you have to pay 799 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 6: so I don't know how to do that, Like that's 800 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 6: that's a whole thing you do though, Well, so idea, 801 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 6: I wired it and I got concrete paint and I 802 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 6: got this like stencil thing and so it's like it 803 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 6: looks tiled now from afar, but I actually have painted 804 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 6: it on in this really durable concrete paint. I put 805 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 6: this little like cinderblock stack that I have like cactuses. 806 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 5: In now and it is a whole vibe. 807 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 6: And the whole thing cost me maybe six hundred dollars 808 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 6: all up for everything, but it was so fun as 809 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 6: well to do it myself, to spend that time. 810 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 5: It's not perfect. 811 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 6: It's one of those like money situations if you look 812 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 6: too close, like the lines of the sensel are not perfect, 813 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 6: but it is like I'm so obsessed with it, so 814 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 6: little things like that cosmetic. Don't give me a power 815 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 6: tool that I'll pay someone to do. But if it's cute, 816 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 6: if it's pained, if it's just cosmetic, I like to. 817 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 5: Do it myself. 818 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: See that's where you and jes A Griki are very different. 819 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: She will take a power tool, she will do it. 820 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 4: Sometimes I shouldn't have access to the power tool, but 821 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 4: I'll give it a crack anyway. 822 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: It's wild. Sometimes I'll say in the office like, oh 823 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 2: my gosh, imagine if we had and Just is like 824 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: I could do it. And I'm like, babe, you don't 825 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 2: have a drop sawce. She's like I do though, Like 826 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: I do that. I'm like, where do you keep this stuff? 827 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 2: She's like, I'll just go home and I'll cut it up. 828 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm like hell. Like she's honestly terrifying. We've been talking 829 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 2: wedding content in the office and I'm like, oh, I'd 830 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 2: really like this particular you know, you know how like 831 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: brides and like I'm going to be one. So this 832 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: sounds really hypocritical. Have those aesthetic pajamas when they like 833 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: get ready in the morning, right, they're really expensive, just 834 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: like I could make them. Like what, I'm like, Oh, 835 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 2: I really want this particular like style. I don't think 836 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 2: it exists. Just like I'll do it, like I'll get 837 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: it done. I'm like, what is this? I'm gonna let 838 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 2: you do it. Because weddings are really expensive, so that 839 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: can be my wedding present, just as diy labor. I 840 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 2: love it. 841 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 5: I love that though. 842 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 6: I think it's so satisfying to do things yourself to 843 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 6: take I think that's why thing that I got from 844 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 6: my mom. She was very very savvy. You have to 845 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 6: be when you have six kids, right, Like, I don't 846 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 6: even know how. 847 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 5: She pulled that off. She is like a superwoman. 848 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 6: But we always had, you know, at least the basics 849 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 6: of what we needed, and we did dancing, and we 850 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 6: had costumes, and you would teach us how to seq 851 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 6: on our own costumes, and so from the get go, 852 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 6: I've just I've learnt those skills over time of the 853 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 6: things that we can do ourselves that we're not gonna 854 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 6: kill anything, like obviously, like I'm not gonna do anything 855 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 6: really important myself that I really don't know how to do, 856 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 6: but to borrow her drop saw. 857 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 5: You can come and help me. If I ever need 858 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 5: a wall knock out, I know who to call. 859 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 6: But I just I think there's such like pleasure and 860 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 6: joy and like pride that comes from like creating a project, 861 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 6: being able to do it yourself, even if it's not perfect. 862 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 6: Like I look at my little pool area, and I'm 863 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 6: like a proud that I even have a home to 864 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 6: begin with. B I have a pool, Like that is 865 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 6: freaking sick, But like the fact that I did that 866 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 6: myself just feels like such a beautiful personal touch. It's 867 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,839 Speaker 6: like I look at it and I'm like, I see 868 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 6: that labor of love. And it took me probably like 869 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 6: twenty to twenty five hours all up, over the course 870 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 6: of a couple of like month's worth of weekends. But 871 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 6: it just feels so good to know that I did 872 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 6: that myself, that I saved that money, but also like. 873 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: It was just really fun. 874 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 2: That makes it like absolutely okay that you're like it's 875 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: not perfect because it's mine and I love it. And 876 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: you know what you can do. You can just hand 877 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 2: all of the guests that come to your house to 878 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: use the pool a glass of champagne before they go 879 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 2: up there. Not they will not see it, honestly, it 880 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 2: will be fine. Plus, I'm setting myself up for success here. 881 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 2: Next time I go to Sammy's house, I'm going to 882 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 2: get a champagne. This is genius. This is genius. You 883 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 2: talk a lot about investing in yourself in the content 884 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: that you create, which I obviously adore, and I think 885 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 2: you've done a lot of especially in recent years. I 886 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 2: feel like watching you online, you've morphed into this person 887 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: that I'm just like. I always proud of her before, 888 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 2: but I now just want to be around you all 889 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 2: the time. Can you give us some tips, like we 890 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 2: want to be more, Like how do we invest more 891 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 2: in ourselves in a way that you know doesn't cost 892 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: thousands of dollars? Because I was talking in Melbourne about 893 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 2: pilates and how much I want to do more of it, 894 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 2: but I just can't justify how much it costs. And 895 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes influencers turn around me, like, so 896 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 2: the best way to invest in yourself is to do 897 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 2: a sixty dollars polarates class and then get a twelve 898 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 2: dollar green smoothie. Like it's just it's not a vibe. 899 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 2: Like it's just not a vibe. Like, as I said before, 900 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put a free app on my phone and 901 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: have a nap, Like that's my vibe? What are you doing? 902 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 2: I do pilates, but straight under the bus. 903 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 6: I am an influencer. It is a collaboration, so I 904 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 6: don't pay for it. 905 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: That's a money win you should have said that. You 906 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 2: should have said at the start saving my emergency fund 907 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 2: free pilarates. Also, why haven't you hooked me up? 908 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 5: That is a blessing that is not big enough Gus. 909 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 6: It's one of my few collaborations that I take, and like, 910 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 6: I will accept that one because that's. 911 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 2: Like, you don't even have to pay me, just keep 912 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 2: giving me free style. 913 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 5: Sign me up. 914 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 6: No, I think like when it comes to investing in yourself, honestly, 915 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 6: it really is the same as when you're investing money. 916 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 6: It's when you think about people that are trying to 917 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 6: like go all out with their savings and I'm not 918 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 6: gonna buy any clothes and I'm not going to dinner 919 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 6: for the next six months so I can save as 920 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 6: much as possible, And it's like, yeah, cool, but how 921 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 6: long can you really do that for? And what do 922 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 6: you have to sacrifice in order to do that? Are 923 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 6: you going to be miserable in the process? And if 924 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 6: you're trying to save money in order to have a 925 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 6: comfortable life and be happy, well, like, why do you 926 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 6: want to make yourself miserable for six plus months trying 927 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 6: to do that and not have any kind of joy 928 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 6: in life? So you know, flip it, make it really small, 929 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 6: do it like it's micro investing. 930 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 5: Do it like it's a little round up. 931 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 6: Your coffee, and just what are some small things that 932 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 6: I can do that will help me look after my health, 933 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 6: my wellbeing, my mindset, whatever it might be that you're 934 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 6: trying to work towards. 935 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 5: But don't try to go zero to. 936 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 6: One hundred and change everything all at wae. Think about 937 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 6: what am I doing and what can I just do 938 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 6: ten percent better this week? Is it that I just 939 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 6: set a little water goal, or if I don't have 940 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 6: time to go to the gym five times a week, 941 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 6: like what is realistic for me and the budget. 942 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 5: Of my time that I have. 943 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 6: Is it better that I plan to do just you know, 944 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 6: two or three twenty minute workouts and be happy with 945 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 6: that because that's still going to get me a lot 946 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 6: further along. It's like saying, oh, sorry, I'm not going 947 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 6: to put aside ten dollars a week because that's not enough. 948 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 6: But that's ten dollars a week that you didn't have before. 949 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 6: So it's the exact same thing with your time. Figure 950 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 6: out what you actually have to give, what's realistic for 951 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 6: you to do consistently without like throwing your entire life 952 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 6: away in order to do it. Small sacrifices are worth it, 953 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,720 Speaker 6: but big sacrifices that make you hate life. 954 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 5: I know about you, guys, but I don't sign myself 955 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 5: up for that. 956 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 957 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 4: I want to talk about the free Parlartis for a second, 958 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 4: because the second you said that, I could feel a 959 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 4: few people in the room go. And I think it's 960 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 4: a really interesting thing because you. 961 00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 2: I also want free Polartis. 962 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 4: Not even because that you guys heard us before do 963 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 4: our budget direct money wins. You know that we will 964 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 4: work with sponsors occasionally who really align to our values 965 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 4: and brands that we really love. 966 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 2: And I want to get your thoughts. 967 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 4: As someone who does work in the influencing space, I 968 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 4: feel like there is sometimes a really big stigma around 969 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 4: sponsorship and around partnerships, and I think it's interesting because 970 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 4: it seems like for people who work in the advertising 971 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 4: world or people who've worked in marketing. I don't know 972 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 4: if anyone here has ever worked in that space before, 973 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 4: but I feel like sometimes we view it in a 974 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 4: different way to the everyday person. And I can totally 975 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 4: see how when you have somebody who's promoting something different 976 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 4: every day, or promoting conflicting things, or you know, doing 977 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 4: things all the time and shoving it in your face. 978 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 4: I can understand eye as a consumer find that frustrating 979 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 4: as well, but I feel like it's an interesting conversation 980 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 4: to have around, you know, the internalized I don't want 981 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 4: to say misogyny, it's not the right word, but the 982 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 4: internalized perception, perception exactly of women working hard and getting 983 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 4: that back. Basically, because if you're working with a brand 984 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 4: you just said you love parties and it's so good 985 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 4: for your mental health and it's something you're really passionate about, 986 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 4: why shouldn't you be working with them and producing great 987 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 4: content Because it takes a lot of time to do that. Like, 988 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 4: do you feel like there's a little bit of a 989 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,720 Speaker 4: barrier or a misunderstanding sometimes around that kind of work. 990 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. 991 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 6: I never introduce myself as an influencer. I don't really 992 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 6: consider myself one anyway, because that's like the tiniest fraction 993 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 6: of what I do when I'm majority of what I'm 994 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 6: on social media for is to advertise my business. 995 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,720 Speaker 2: Influence me so much, you're an influencer by thanks? 996 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 5: Okay, Right, I'll take it. 997 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 6: But you know, I'm very picky with my collaborations because I, 998 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 6: like I said before, I want to spend my time 999 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 6: on social media talking about my business and generate, you know, 1000 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 6: leads that will help me actually profit more than just 1001 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 6: kind of lining someone else's pockets. And I'm not someone that, 1002 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 6: like I just want to kind of sell anything to 1003 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 6: anyone and not be authentic. So I'm like, I know 1004 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 6: everyone says, oh, I only advertise things I know in love, 1005 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 6: but I really do, Like, I'm very very picky. I 1006 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 6: have only a small handful of like ongoing partnerships, and 1007 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,439 Speaker 6: when I have kind of once off collapse and things 1008 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 6: like that, it's would I actually pay for this? And 1009 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 6: like will I show up and do this thing or 1010 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 6: use this product or whatever it is? And if the 1011 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 6: answer is yes, then I'll consider it. But like the 1012 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 6: amount of things that I say no to are like 1013 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 6: twenty times the amount of things that I say yes too, 1014 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 6: purely because a I don't want to spend the time 1015 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 6: advertising other things, Like I'm not so broke that I 1016 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 6: couldn't pay for things myself. If someone offers me, like 1017 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 6: I don't know, some something that I don't care about 1018 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 6: I'm like, I can pay for it myself if I 1019 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 6: really wanted it that badly. So you know, Polarates kind 1020 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 6: of fell into my lap. I was like, you know what, 1021 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 6: I actually really want to do pilates. Yeah, it's really costly. 1022 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 6: I have to actually show up and do the classes. 1023 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 6: It's not a paid collaboration. It's like a gifted ten 1024 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 6: pac or something. So I have to actually show up 1025 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 6: and use the passes in order to make this mutually beneficial. 1026 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 6: So if I'm not going to use it and I'm 1027 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 6: not going to enjoy it, then it wouldn't be worth 1028 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 6: it anyway. So those are the kind of partnerships that 1029 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 6: I take on, and I, like I said, I'm really 1030 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 6: choosy with it because I have built this really wonderful 1031 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 6: community with my following. They do trust me, and I 1032 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 6: do have such a great back and forth with so 1033 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 6: many people that follow me, and I answer every single 1034 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 6: DM that's in my inbox. And I don't want to 1035 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 6: just be spooking things that I actually don't care about 1036 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 6: because that just doesn't feel good to me. So I 1037 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 6: only talk about things that I really love. And I've 1038 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 6: always been that way. There's probably been things here and 1039 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 6: there that In hindsight, I'm like, eh, probably could have 1040 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 6: gone without doing that. But the last few years in particular, 1041 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 6: I've really cut back. And if you see anything that 1042 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 6: is like gifted, collaboration, paid sponsorship, anything like that on 1043 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 6: my socials, it's because I would like scream from the 1044 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 6: rooftop how much I love that brand or that they 1045 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 6: align with my value or whatever it is. 1046 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm very very similar. I get the ick when I 1047 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 2: see content that I'm like, you don't use that. I 1048 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 2: recently just did a collaboration. This is so sick, right 1049 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 2: with bumble, But I was like, yes, because I love 1050 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 2: dating apps. I think this is sick. I think healthy 1051 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 2: relationship conversations should be had. Let's talk about money and 1052 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 2: dating like this makes sense to me. But the amount 1053 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 2: of people that approach you and you're like, what, how 1054 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,800 Speaker 2: did you even get my profile? This makes no sense 1055 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 2: for either of us. It gives me the ick, but 1056 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's important to support it 1057 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 2: as well, because you know, you hear us doing our 1058 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 2: budget direct money wins and confessions, and at the end 1059 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 2: of the day, that's what's paying to get my team 1060 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 2: to you guys. That's what's putting the content on board, 1061 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 2: Like we're not, you know, as she's on the money, 1062 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you're exactly the same. Like that's the 1063 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 2: content that is keeping my entire team employed, not just employed, 1064 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 2: but employed at wages that I'm really proud of as 1065 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 2: a small business. And I get to look after them 1066 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 2: and enjoy their company, but also they get to invest 1067 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 2: in my business, Like this is so much bigger than 1068 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 2: what I think people think it is. And do you 1069 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 2: know what's most disappointing complete sidetrack is like you do 1070 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 2: this content and I'll post like a picture of my 1071 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 2: dog and it gets fifty billion likes, and then I 1072 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 2: like post my sponsored content and like I get one like, 1073 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 2: and I'm like, please just support my stuff, Like that's 1074 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 2: what's paying for the dog goss. 1075 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 6: No, You're so right, though, And I think the one 1076 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 6: thing that makes me feel okay with doing any kind 1077 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 6: of collaborations is that I give so much free content. 1078 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 6: I do Instagram captions and I do stories all the time, 1079 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 6: and I do tiktoks that take a really long time 1080 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 6: to film, and I have a newsletter and a blog 1081 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,799 Speaker 6: and I have all this stuff that I give for 1082 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 6: free and that takes time, and that takes time away 1083 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 6: from where I could be spending that one on one 1084 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 6: time with clients that would be paying me money. So 1085 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,399 Speaker 6: that's kind of how I guess like I've made peace 1086 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,320 Speaker 6: with that if I do you know, a collobs option 1087 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 6: or a paid partnership here and there, that really helps 1088 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 6: me kind of transactionally justify the time that I'm putting 1089 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 6: into social media, which yes, helps me with lead generation anyway. 1090 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 6: But I would probably say I do maybe eight to 1091 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 6: ten hours a week at least specifically on social media stuff. 1092 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 5: So doing my you know. 1093 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 6: Infographics in canber, posting, drafting captions, replying to every single DM, 1094 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,080 Speaker 6: doing stories all of the time. 1095 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,720 Speaker 5: It's a lot of time. 1096 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 6: And that's I'm not even an actual influencer in terms 1097 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,800 Speaker 6: of like that's my you know, business or a valid 1098 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 6: in pome stream the people that do this full time, 1099 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 6: like it's not as easy as like, look, there's a 1100 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 6: whole thing going on at the moment. 1101 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have seen. 1102 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 2: You're gonna getting canceled. It's gonna take a snippet from this. 1103 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,279 Speaker 2: Do you know how hard it is to be? 1104 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 6: There are so far harder jobs absolutely, But I think 1105 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 6: people have this impression that you know, influencing or being 1106 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,040 Speaker 6: a content creator is like easy, and it's just you 1107 00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 6: just get given all this stuff and you have to 1108 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 6: take a quick photo like there actually. 1109 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 5: Is a lot more time behind it. 1110 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 6: Especially you know in accounts like ours where we are 1111 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 6: very community based, it's not just post the photo and 1112 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 6: leave and someone does it for you. 1113 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 5: It's you have to create that trust. 1114 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 6: You have to have those conversations, you do have to 1115 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 6: reply to all of the dms, you have to be 1116 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 6: thoughtful about your captions, and you know, for me, like 1117 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,760 Speaker 6: this is a way that I can reach a broader 1118 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 6: amount of people and genuinely make a difference. And that 1119 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 6: makes me feel really good and really proud that I 1120 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 6: have a platform that people care what I have to say. 1121 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 6: Like that just blows my mind that I wake up 1122 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,280 Speaker 6: and I post thissally little Instagram caption and like people 1123 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 6: tell me like, oh wow, that's like blown my mind 1124 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 6: or my life is better because of this one thing 1125 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 6: that you said, and that like gets me so emotional. 1126 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 2: Sometimes I find it's so interesting because if you go 1127 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 2: back like five or six years, obviously I did not 1128 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,719 Speaker 2: have any kind of profile and nobody would have paid 1129 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 2: me to make content like no chance, Like my old Instagram, 1130 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 2: there's a reason it's blocked and deleted like it was. 1131 00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,880 Speaker 2: It was embarrassing. I was using those like in built 1132 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 2: filters and stuff just one out of ten will not recommend. 1133 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,239 Speaker 2: I was also using like smiley faces and being like 1134 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 2: hanging out with the gals like ill Anyway, I feel 1135 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 2: like it's real pervy because obviously most people don't experience 1136 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,320 Speaker 2: that side of it. It's not to say it's hard, 1137 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 2: but Jess, this is a question for you. What does 1138 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 2: a brand like you know, if we're doing one sponsored 1139 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 2: Instagram prost, what's that process look like? Because I feel 1140 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,360 Speaker 2: like people want to know. 1141 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,440 Speaker 4: Oh, well, actually, I was going to say before when 1142 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 4: you said people don't realize how much time it takes. 1143 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 4: My full time job revolves around content like you pay 1144 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 4: me to do that every day. I think there's a 1145 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 4: lot involved behind the scenes that you know. Sometimes you're oh, 1146 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,399 Speaker 4: it's like a peach thing with some text on it, 1147 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 4: like how much time could that actually take you? 1148 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 2: But I mean for. 1149 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,240 Speaker 4: Us personally, you start conceptualizing it and you go, Okay, 1150 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 4: what are we talking about? What's Sometimes it's responsive to 1151 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 4: something in the media. We get a lot of people 1152 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,759 Speaker 4: damning us saying, can you talk about this thing that 1153 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 4: I've seen? Can you talk about this new product? Can 1154 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,719 Speaker 4: you talk about the implications of these changes? And we 1155 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 4: view that as a kind of a big part of 1156 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 4: what we do is to educate and to help people 1157 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 4: understand those things. So we go, okay, concept, what is it? 1158 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 4: And then you go, how complicated is that concept? Because 1159 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 4: the whole point is that we want people to be 1160 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,280 Speaker 4: able to understand things easily. Right, So then you're taking time, 1161 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 4: I guess, breaking that concept down and making it a 1162 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 4: bit more digestible, hopefully making it a bit fun and interesting. 1163 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 4: So then you have this concept that's become this kind 1164 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 4: of more simplistic version of itself. And from there you go, okay, well, 1165 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 4: how do I represent that in a way that's visually engaging. 1166 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,280 Speaker 4: And that's the design and you have to put that together. 1167 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,440 Speaker 4: Whether it's shooting a photo which involves you know, getting 1168 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 4: props or setting it up and doing lighting and it's 1169 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 4: a whole thing, or it's a text post or something 1170 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 4: that you design, and then it's graphics and text and 1171 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 4: making sure that the contrast is right, making sure that 1172 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,239 Speaker 4: it's appealing and making sure that it fits in, and 1173 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,040 Speaker 4: there are all of these I guess, little working parts 1174 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 4: in the background that go into it. And then once 1175 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 4: that's done, there's the copy and it's you know, what 1176 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 4: are the words? How are we communicating? What are we saying? 1177 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 4: And right now I feel like I'm just spewing words 1178 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,319 Speaker 4: out And sometimes when I'm writing caption, that's how I feel. 1179 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 4: So you write the caption and you go, oh my god, 1180 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 4: no one's going to read that. So you have to 1181 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 4: go back and you have to like edit it all 1182 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 4: down and you take out all the extra exclamation marks 1183 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 4: because I overuse exclamation marks. I get in trouble for it, 1184 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,040 Speaker 4: and so it's like pairing it back. So sometimes you 1185 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,880 Speaker 4: do all of this work and you go, oh shit, 1186 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,799 Speaker 4: like I've got to like take half of that work 1187 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,080 Speaker 4: out to make it digestible, to make it interesting, to 1188 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 4: make it consumable because everybody moves so quickly. You know, 1189 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,439 Speaker 4: videos can be seven seconds and people go, that's too long, 1190 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 4: But seven seconds is not a lot of time to 1191 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 4: be able to explain this big overarching concept that we 1192 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 4: started with and broke down and then wrote. And so 1193 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 4: the whole time that you're doing all of these things, 1194 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 4: you're thinking about, is this doing its job? Is this 1195 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,760 Speaker 4: piece of content helping somebody? Is this piece of content 1196 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,760 Speaker 4: making somebody feel good? Is this piece of content leaving 1197 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,240 Speaker 4: the world. I guess it's very dramatic, but like making 1198 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 4: an impressional leaving my page or my follower in a 1199 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 4: bed position than they were before they saw that piece 1200 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 4: of content. And it's a lot of moving parts. And 1201 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 4: I can totally see how you go, oh, someone just 1202 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 4: like picks up a phone and goes and product. But 1203 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 4: it's really not that simple, particularly in space is like ours, 1204 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,320 Speaker 4: where the passion lies in educating and helping people. And 1205 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if we've exactly got it right. 1206 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 4: If you've ever seen our Instagram and you have feedback, 1207 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 4: I'm all here for it. 1208 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 2: Be kind. I am softer to cry. 1209 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 4: But yeah, there are a lot of working parts to that, 1210 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,480 Speaker 4: and I guess, especially as a small business, there are 1211 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 4: a lot of things that you have to consider about that. 1212 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it takes a lot more time than I ever 1213 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,360 Speaker 6: envision and look, I would love to not have to 1214 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 6: do it. And that's one thing that I've really kind 1215 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,520 Speaker 6: of over the last few years, tried to pull back 1216 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 6: slowly and not be so content heavy and not like 1217 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,480 Speaker 6: feel like I have to take selfies for a living, 1218 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,760 Speaker 6: you know, because I don't really consider myself an influencer. 1219 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 6: While I do that a little bit, tiny little bit, 1220 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 6: like I'm a I'm a coach. That's what I do. 1221 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 6: That's what I'm passionate about. Putting content out there helps 1222 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 6: reach people that will either potentially become clients for me 1223 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 6: or I will just help them. And I really love 1224 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 6: the ability to do that, so I think like it's 1225 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 6: a blessing and a curse, the whole social media thing. 1226 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,759 Speaker 6: I think, you know, it's been so wonderful for me. 1227 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880 Speaker 6: It's helped me build a community, as you guys would know, 1228 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,959 Speaker 6: like even with your Facebook group and things you can, 1229 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 6: you can connect to all these people, like I have 1230 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 6: more interstate clients than clients in Brisbane, which is so 1231 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,880 Speaker 6: crazy to me that I'm like, how did these people 1232 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 6: find me? And people from other countries And I'm like, 1233 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 6: this is so cool that these people find me and 1234 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 6: want to work with me, and they wouldn't they wouldn't 1235 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,400 Speaker 6: have seen me if it wasn't for social media. But 1236 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 6: also sometimes it is really tiring, and sometimes I wish 1237 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 6: I didn't have to do it, and I should probably 1238 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 6: think about investing in things like maybe Google ads and 1239 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 6: Facebook ads and not have to get all my. 1240 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 5: Leads through socials. 1241 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 6: Maybe, but for now, you know, it's one of those 1242 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,480 Speaker 6: things that it's a means to an end and it 1243 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,680 Speaker 6: helps me do what I really love and it helps 1244 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 6: me genuinely help people. So even though the avenue is 1245 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,440 Speaker 6: kind of a fluffy little like hey me in my 1246 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 6: little seven second tiktog video, like, I know that the 1247 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 6: things that come from that and the clients that I 1248 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,319 Speaker 6: garner from that, that I can genuinely help one on one, 1249 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 6: like I'm really helping them, and I just feel so 1250 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 6: blessed that I even have the ability to do that. 1251 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,279 Speaker 4: I have one last question before we go, because I 1252 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 4: can see that we're running very close to overtime. 1253 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 5: Can chat? Yeah, we can want to. 1254 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 2: I want to add to that, though, do not. My 1255 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 2: favorite part about all of that stuff that you explained 1256 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,000 Speaker 2: was is that when you then include a client and 1257 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 2: just sends the content to the client, they're like, no, 1258 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,959 Speaker 2: we don't like it, but we can't put our finger 1259 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,200 Speaker 2: on it. Like what what do you mean, they're like, yeah, 1260 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 2: if you could just remake that entire video where you 1261 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 2: baked a cake and then smashed the cake and then 1262 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 2: like customize the whole thing to our brand. Yeah, we're 1263 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,959 Speaker 2: just not sure about it. And then just does another 1264 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 2: one and then they're like, maybe just go with the 1265 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,120 Speaker 2: first one. Yeah, it sucks, It sucks. And then did 1266 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 2: you have you guys seen a video on Jess's social 1267 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,880 Speaker 2: media it's a us net a smash room. Yea, it 1268 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 2: was after that happened. Jess, like, I think kind to 1269 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 2: break something else, my babe. Let's go break something all right. 1270 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 4: The last question I have before we let you go 1271 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 4: is you know you said you're wearing two hats to 1272 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 4: influence the hat and a small business owner hat. And 1273 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,280 Speaker 4: we know that a lot of people in our community 1274 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 4: are small business owners. I don't know if anybody out 1275 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,919 Speaker 4: there tonight is a small business owner, but yes, there 1276 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 4: we go. But sometimes I think it can be hard 1277 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 4: for small business owners. And this is something that we 1278 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 4: struggle with as well, that level of I guess self 1279 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,360 Speaker 4: promotion or confidence in yourself or producing that video or 1280 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,320 Speaker 4: taking that photo and putting yourself out there, especially when 1281 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 4: you're starting out and it's you logging into your other 1282 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,919 Speaker 4: account to comment on your own content, so it looks 1283 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,960 Speaker 4: like someone enjoyed it. 1284 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 2: That doesn't exist anymore because my partner told me I 1285 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 2: how to delete it because creepy. 1286 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 4: But how should small businesses deal with those those feelings? 1287 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 4: Because sometimes it can be really hard to show up 1288 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 4: and to put something out there when you feel like 1289 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,960 Speaker 4: people aren't enjoying it or aren't receiving it. Is there 1290 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,200 Speaker 4: any last piece of advice that you can give to 1291 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 4: people who might be going through that struggle? 1292 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 5: That was a big question. I look. 1293 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 6: I think any small business owners, or really anyone that 1294 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,960 Speaker 6: you have to put yourself out there would would know. 1295 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,480 Speaker 6: There's so much I guess imposter syndrome that sometimes comes 1296 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 6: with these things that it's like, why would anyone invest 1297 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 6: in me? Why would anyone want to work with me? 1298 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 6: When there are so many other people doing this, and 1299 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 6: you know, there are so many other counselors, and there 1300 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,520 Speaker 6: are so many other coaches out there, And I've really 1301 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 6: tried to make sure that I am trying my very 1302 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 6: hardest to offer something that is unique. But you know, 1303 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,880 Speaker 6: sometimes you can't have something perfectly unique and you are 1304 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,280 Speaker 6: offering something that other people do. So really try and 1305 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 6: sit with yourself as to like, why would I want 1306 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 6: people to invest in me or my business or my 1307 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,120 Speaker 6: service or my products whatever it is that you're trying 1308 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,439 Speaker 6: to kind of get people into, And is it something 1309 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,680 Speaker 6: that I'm proud of? Would I do this anyway even 1310 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 6: if I, you know, only had five clients? And for me, 1311 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 6: the answer is absolutely yes. This is, you know, a job, 1312 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 6: especially now that in the last few years I've gotten 1313 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 6: more into the accounts space and I've worked really hard 1314 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 6: to curate the nature and the niche of my business 1315 00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 6: into body image and eating issues, which is something I 1316 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,960 Speaker 6: used to struggle with a lot myself. And the biggest 1317 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,440 Speaker 6: thing for me is that I am now the person 1318 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,840 Speaker 6: that I really needed five years ago that wasn't around 1319 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 6: at the time. And that makes me so proud to 1320 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,520 Speaker 6: think of like me five years ago, my past self, 1321 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,120 Speaker 6: like I can now do that for other people, and 1322 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,200 Speaker 6: I know that that's like such a blessing and maybe 1323 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 6: not totally transferable to what every single other business owners does, 1324 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 6: but are you solving a problem that can help someone? 1325 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 6: And if you help one person or five people, that 1326 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,880 Speaker 6: is still so worth it. Yes, Obviously, profitability comes into it, 1327 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 6: and you need to support yourself. But if you're passionate 1328 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 6: about what you do, if you believe in yourself, and 1329 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 6: if you can back yourself and say, like I am 1330 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 6: passionate about this, this aligns with my values. This represents 1331 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,400 Speaker 6: the person I want to be. Whether you succeed or 1332 00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,280 Speaker 6: whether you fail, I think you'll still have something to 1333 00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 6: be proud of. 1334 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 5: So you know, it just keeps you moving forward. 1335 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,080 Speaker 6: So for me, when I have quiet weeks or I 1336 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 6: don't have a lot of clients, there are definitely lolls 1337 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 6: in the year where things quite and down, I always 1338 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 6: come back to this is a job that makes me 1339 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 6: so proud to do what I do, and I genuinely 1340 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 6: touch lives, And like. 1341 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 5: You know, I'm not perfect. 1342 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,400 Speaker 6: I'm not the very best counselor or you know, the 1343 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 6: most experienced in the whole world, but I know that 1344 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,200 Speaker 6: what I do is really impactful. And at the end 1345 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 6: of the day, I sleep while knowing like I've worked 1346 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 6: my butt off for this and that I know I'm 1347 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 6: doing something good in the world that just makes me 1348 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 6: so happy. So like there will always be moments of doubt, 1349 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 6: there will always be times that you question yourself or your. 1350 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,560 Speaker 5: Skills or your abilities or whatever it might be. 1351 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,720 Speaker 6: But if you're doing something that you really really care about, 1352 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 6: it's worth failing. It's worth risking it because at least 1353 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 6: you tried, and you tried with something that you really 1354 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 6: care about, And isn't that like so much better than 1355 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,600 Speaker 6: just like doing a boring job that you just don't 1356 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 6: give a crap about. 1357 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 2: I could not agree more. We have one We're girl 1358 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 2: who also agrees. Sammy, I have adored talking to you 1359 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 2: as always, but unfortunately I do think that that is 1360 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 2: all we have time for. So a round of applause 1361 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 2: for Sammy and a thank you for joining us. I 1362 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 2: also want to say a really good thank you. This 1363 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,160 Speaker 2: is our very last show, So first big thank you 1364 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 2: is to my team. They are so incredibly supportive. If 1365 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,520 Speaker 2: I look at her, I'll cry. And they have followed 1366 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 2: me literally around the country this week to make sure 1367 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 2: that that she's on the Money community has been looked 1368 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 2: after and everything is smooth sailing. They have bent over 1369 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,360 Speaker 2: backwards for me. So shout out to them and a 1370 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:44,120 Speaker 2: round of applause for that She's on the Money team. 1371 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,160 Speaker 2: A very very special thank you to our guest Sammy, 1372 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 2: you are an angel and an absolute inspiration. And also 1373 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 2: a very big thank you to our gorgeous interpreters Bella 1374 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,480 Speaker 2: and Sarah. 1375 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,080 Speaker 4: All Right, we're gonna go because it's really late. Thank 1376 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 4: you everybody for sticking around. Thank you Brisbane, you have 1377 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 4: been amazing and we'll see you all out there somewhere. 1378 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,480 Speaker 2: The advice sheared on She's on the Money is general 1379 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,360 Speaker 2: in nature and does not consider your individual circumstances. 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