1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: It is just after nine point thirty eight nine four 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: one one four nine is the number if you'd like 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: to call through this morning, if you want to send 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: us a message zero four double nine seven double one 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: three six zero. And look, I am hoping that at 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: some point throughout the morning we may actually be able 7 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: to hear from a little Miss Korea, who I know 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: are a wonderful local business there in Austin Lane and 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, really feeling it today following on 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: from that incident overnight. So I'm hoping that we may 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: hear something from them at some point this morning, because 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: as I said, I know that they're a great local 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: business and it must be a difficult time for them 14 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: at this point. Work Safe obviously investigating the details of 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: how this explosion started last night or exactly what has 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: gone on, but look a bit of a change of 17 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: pace because a recent survey has been conducted by the 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: Property Council of Australia's Northern Territory branch, and it's shown 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: that crime and anti social behavior have emerged as key 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: factors contributing to the skill shortage that we're experiencing right 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: now in the Northern Territory. Now a Property Council NT 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: survey of territory businesses identified forty three percent of all respondents. Well, 23 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: will they believe that people are leaving the Northern Territory 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: because of the high level of crime and anti social behavior? 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: Hopefully I've got that figure right. But anyway, joining me 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: in the studio right now to tell us a little 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: bit more is the Chief Executive of the Property Council 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory, Ruth Palmer. Good morning to you. 29 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Ruth, morning, Katie. You were pretty close. 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: It was close. Excellent. Now Ruth, tell us when was 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: this survey conducted and what was the purpose? 32 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks Katie. So I did this survey in August 33 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 2: on the back of the recommendations that we put forward 34 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: to the government around the workforce shortages and the skills 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: shortage for them to use for the summit. So I 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: know that our recommendations were taken on board and put 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: through submissions with the government's submission for the skills. But 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: you know, when we're sort of talking about that workforce 39 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: attraction and global campaigning, really wanted to sort of try 40 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: and drill down and get data around well, what a 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: business is actually thinking and feeling here in the territory, 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: like what is the real, real numbers that are coming 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: out of it, And you know, we really wanted to 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: get that perception base as well, so you know what 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: interstate people think about the NT and that was around 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: eighty six percent of that crime and any social behavior. 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: So they're big numbers and it's alarming, and you know, 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: obviously there's other factors as well, but you know, this 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: is happening around the country. The country is aware that, 50 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: you know, we have these issues in the territory and 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: it is something that is deterring people from coming here. 52 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: And look, it's bloody hard to ignore it. I mean 53 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: when you see on social media that incident will work 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: CBD for example, it's hardly good for tourism or to 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: try to attract people to move here to work. Ruth. 56 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: How many people took part in the survey? Yeah, so 57 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: it was. 58 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: Put out to our entire database. So we've got a 59 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: membership database which is quite large. It's over you know, 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: sort of five hundred six hundred people that are on 61 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: that database. But we would have got around that fifty 62 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: percent back, So that's a good number for us to 63 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: be able to do a a good analysis around sort 64 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: of the numbers, you know, it's We also had a 65 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: few hundred is a good survey exactly of yeah people 66 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: actually you know what they're thinking exactly. And we also 67 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: had a survey conducted of a thousand New South Wales 68 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: and Victorian residents who to see what their preferred stated 69 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: territory was for relocating. The ant raked last. So that 70 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: was fourteen percent. So that was one thousand people who 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: live in New South Wales Victoria. So they put Queensland 72 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: as the top and the ant last. 73 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a pretty telling figure. Now, what was the 74 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: main reason why they put us last? 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: Well, so I would assume that it comes to that 76 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: eighty six percent of the perception that interstate people have 77 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: and also barriers to recruiting staff from interstate was the 78 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: perception of the NT as a place to live and 79 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: work at sixty two percent. So these are things out 80 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: and that's also combined with you know, the livability, the heat, 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: the isolation, geographical challenges. But these are real factors that 82 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: really make a difference to people's minds when they are 83 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: looking at where they want to live and where they 84 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: want to raise their families. 85 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Well, look, I think the biggest thing when you you know, 86 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: say you get a job, or say you're applying for 87 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: a job. One of the biggest things that you then 88 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: look at if you're going to move somewhere is, you know, 89 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: can you find somewhere to live. You're going to google 90 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: it as well and look at some of the news stuff, 91 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: and then if you've got kids, you're going to look 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: at whether there's good schools around the place as well. 93 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: So you can understand how then people might get a 94 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: little bit scared off if when they do look at 95 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: some of those news items around the place that it 96 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't paint a good picture at this point. And 97 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: I know that the argument can sometimes be old. Well, 98 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: the media always runs the negative stuff. You know, if 99 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: the incidents aren't happening, it's not something you've got to 100 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: worry about. 101 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And I've been speaking to a few 102 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: people around this lately, especially around my membership, just sort 103 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: of gauging people's opinions, and they've had people that have 104 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: come to the territory for work to work for them 105 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: and left within the space of two weeks. So this 106 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: is relocation costs. It can be seventy to eighty grand 107 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: and an entire family. They've come here and they've left. 108 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: So these are things that are actually happening in the 109 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: real world. These are things that are going on. So 110 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: whilst government is doing their best around their global attraction campaigns. 111 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, we've got millions of dollars being spent on though, 112 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: but the messaging really doesn't reflect what people see when 113 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: they arrive here. So you know, I think they're getting 114 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: a false sense of sort of what it is. You know, 115 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: we all love the territory. We're here for a reason. 116 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: I've just hit sixteen years. But it is one of 117 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: those places you love it or you hate it, I think, 118 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: and you can either get involved with it or get 119 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: in it. But some people have come here and they 120 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: turn around and leave, and that's really sad to see. 121 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: It is really sad to see. And I think that's 122 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, the fact of the matter is if people 123 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: don't feel safe, it does have a huge impulse or 124 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: a huge impact, I should say, on them. Ruth. What 125 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: were some of the other sort of statistics that you 126 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: found out of this survey that was conducted. 127 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the things that we found that 128 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: pretty much one hundred percent of well, it was one 129 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: hundred percent of all the people that are looking for 130 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: staff are finding difficulties. Some of them they cannot feel 131 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: at all, and with the majority of them taking over 132 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: six weeks. Surprisingly, seventy five percent of respondents said that 133 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: there wasn't enough skilled workers here in the territory to 134 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: take those jobs. So these these are coming from companies 135 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: that have some of them forty people plus and then 136 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: you know between that twenty six to forty people, so 137 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: they're not they are. There's a lot of big companies 138 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: that are looking for staff out there. And yeah, to 139 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: hear that seventy five percent can't sort of tap into 140 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: that local markets a bit funny. But then on the 141 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: flip side, zero percent hadn't taken up any sort of 142 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: conversations with VET trainers or CDU, so you sort of 143 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: So for me, then I go, well, you know, we've 144 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: got third and fourth year students doing either engineering, doing trades, 145 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: sort of working in any of those fields. Why aren't we, 146 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: you know, getting employers in talking to them saying, hey, 147 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: I'll take on a third or fourth year they can 148 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: still working with us, they'll get on hands training and 149 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: they'll have employment after they finish. And not only that, 150 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: it keeps them here in the territory. So if you've 151 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: got kids that are going through UNI doing a trade, 152 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: the likelihood of them then staying in the territory is 153 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: much higher if they're pretty secured employment with someone. So 154 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 2: I think that's like, that's almost like a no brain 155 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: a conversation that really could be happening, and you know, 156 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: pretty keen to sort of get that going with our 157 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: relationship with C to you as well. 158 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: So, Ruth, where too from here with these survey results? 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: Because I think that we quite often sort of see surveys, 160 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, conductive, we see results that we go, oh, look, 161 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: it's not good. But I'm honestly not overly surprised with 162 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, with some of what I can see. But 163 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: where to with these results now? Because it would surely 164 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: be a bit of a lightning bolt for the government. 165 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we've actually pleasingly have a meeting with the 166 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: Police Minister next week, Minister Warden. So we've reached out 167 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: to the government and they've obviously got a copy of 168 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: this report and they've had a time to go through that. 169 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: They also were provided the recommendations a few weeks ago. Now, 170 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: we just wanted to have the data that sort of 171 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: to back it up to make this report. So yes, 172 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: we will be having a meeting with Minister Warden next week, 173 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: so therefore we can get a bit more of an 174 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: understanding of sort of what's happening, but also our points 175 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: and sort of what the finding show. But also around 176 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: the conversation that we've had before around those Liquor Act changes. 177 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: So we know back in twenty nineteen there were changes 178 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: made to the Liquor Act that made public intoxication not 179 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: a criminal offense because it was classed as a health issue. 180 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: So there's a few things like that and that two 181 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: kilometer rule. So there are some quick, easy wins that 182 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: we feel that could sort of start to make a difference. 183 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: We're not going to see change straight away, but there 184 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: are things that could be done that would hopefully see 185 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: that that behavior sort of start slowing down. 186 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can only hope. Well, Ruth Palmer, always good 187 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: to catch up with you. Thank you so much for 188 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: joining us this morning. Thanks a lot, Katie. It is 189 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: just eighteen minutes away from ten o'clock now coming your 190 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: way in a couple of minutes time. We are going 191 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: to be catching up with the Northern Territory Water Police. 192 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: We know that last year that sandbar party, well it 193 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: saw a bit of chaos, I think you'd say, as 194 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: people are trying to leave the sandbar. So we are 195 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: going to catch up with the police and just find 196 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: out what advice they've got for people if you're thinking 197 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: about heading out there, and you know what they are 198 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: potentially doing as well to make sure that it's a 199 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: little bit smoother than last time round. It is just 200 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: eighteen minutes from ten