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Speaker 1: As we edge closer to the Voice, well to the

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Speaker 1: Leader Peter Dutton has attempted to link Anthony Albanesi to

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Speaker 1: those protesters who'd hurled abuse against No campaigners earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: saying that the action wasn't surprising because the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: had set our country up to be divided. Now, mister

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Speaker 1: Dutton said that Australians were angry with mister Albin EASi

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Speaker 1: because they're being asked to vote on something that won't

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Speaker 1: be designed until after the election takes place. Now, joining

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Speaker 1: me on the line is the Minister for the NDIS

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Speaker 1: and Government Services Bill Shortened. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Bill, Good morning Katie, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: For your time this morning. Now, the Voice vote, it

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Speaker 1: is just under a month away and a lot of

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Speaker 1: Territorians do still seem to be undecided as to how

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Speaker 1: they're going to vote. Can you just explain to Territorians

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Speaker 1: how the Voice is going to work if the vote

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Speaker 1: gets up on October fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Well, the referendum proposal is in straightforward. It says, let's

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Speaker 2: include average on Torres Strait Islanders in the Constitution and

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Speaker 2: let's set up an advisory committee to listen to them

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Speaker 2: when we're implementing policies or proposing policies to do with

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal people. That's it in terms of this argument that

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Speaker 2: somehow there's all this mysterious detail being hidden from people,

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Speaker 2: it's rubbish. I go back to the start of the

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Speaker 2: Constitution in nineteen hundred ninety oh one. We had a

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Speaker 2: constitution before we had a parliament. The reality is that

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Speaker 2: the Constitution gives directions, It says what federal governments can

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Speaker 2: and can't do, but then it's up to Parliament to

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Speaker 2: implement the detail of it. So this argument that somehow

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Speaker 2: there's some big agenda, it's not wrong. This is just

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Speaker 2: a long overdue inclusion of people on the nation's birth certificate,

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Speaker 2: and the Parliament, all the political parties, the COLP, LNP

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Speaker 2: and Labor everyone else will work out in parliament how

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Speaker 2: we implement it. But the principle is let's listen to

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Speaker 2: people before we do things to them.

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of people who listen to the show

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Speaker 1: who don't feel as though the voice is going to

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, where we've already had land councils. We've

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Speaker 1: already got land councils, We've got three incredibly strong Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: territory and voices as well. In Federal Parliament, they're concerned

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Speaker 1: it's going to be another representative body which doesn't practically

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Speaker 1: help those people who truly need it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to reassure people. First of all, I

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Speaker 2: think the very fact that there are land councils shows

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Speaker 2: that there is sense in talking to people before you

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Speaker 2: do things to them. And I think the fact that

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Speaker 2: we have Indigenous members in parliament as the parliament's going

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Speaker 2: to be sovereign. But let's go back to the status quo.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, we're not getting it right. You just

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Speaker 2: have to look at parts of our springs and all

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Speaker 2: over the territory. We can do things better. Golden rulers.

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Speaker 2: Ask people about what you're doing before you do it

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Speaker 2: to them. So practical benefits will be when we roll

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Speaker 2: out housing policies, talk to Indigenous communities, when we roll

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Speaker 2: our health for young Aboriginal babies and screening, let's talk

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Speaker 2: to families to see the best way we can make

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Speaker 2: sure that they access that. The idea of asking people

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Speaker 2: it's just common sense now I know.

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Speaker 1: The Opposition leader Peter Dutton earlier this week attempted to

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. But first of all, I should

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Speaker 2: not actually the truth for most people. So no one's

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Speaker 2: we know that we've got a group of people who

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Speaker 2: that we listen to them. I just think it's sensible.

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Speaker 2: We're not you and I, Katie, don't lose anything. If

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Speaker 2: Giving them a hand up is somehow giving them something special.

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Speaker 2: That's not right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess one of the biggest concerns than me

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Speaker 1: more than thirty percent Indigenous Territorians. Yet we aren't going

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Speaker 1: we do need to be greatly represented.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it the case so that some territorians want statehood

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Speaker 2: voice because the results show they don't, somehow that is objectionable. Well,

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Speaker 2: the reality is not all of us start life equally,

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Speaker 2: they don't start life with the same fair go. Now

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Speaker 2: you can go to all the reasons why, but one

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Speaker 2: time to do things to Aboriginal people and for Aboriginal people,

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Speaker 2: but not with them bill, the Proposition.

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Speaker 1: Bill we are going to We're running out of time

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Speaker 1: and the Chief Minister is I'm just trying to cool through. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I want to ask you finally this morning. We

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Speaker 1: Link this week as of yesterday, as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: some Aussies are going to be getting an increase to

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Speaker 1: their payments. Who's getting this increase and how much?

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Speaker 2: Okay, people on Job Seeker, Parenting Payment partner and payments

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Speaker 2: for younger people like Youth Allowance, our Study and the

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Speaker 2: Disability Support Pension for under twenty one, they're getting an

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Speaker 2: increase of forty percent plus a CPI increase and rental

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Speaker 2: as distance is going up to fifteen percent, up by

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Speaker 2: fifteen percent. And single parents, if you've got a child

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Speaker 2: be able to get parenting payments where it used to

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Speaker 2: cut out at eight. And this is just coming into

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Speaker 2: people's payments. They don't need to write twenty one or

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Speaker 2: do anything. It's just happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, Bill Shorten, no doubt. We'll talk to you again

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Speaker 1: very soon. Always appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: this morning

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Speaker 2: Cherio, Thank you very much