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Speaker 3: The only jurisdictions that have gone to this lockout phase

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: airon having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Cotie, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is Dave Malone there, the chief executive of the

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Speaker 1: Master Builders here in the Northern Territory.