WEBVTT - Ryan Corr - IN LIMBO - Actor 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.200 TV Reload the podcast last week Nebine. Welcome back guys 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.320 to TV Reload. As you may know, my name is 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.920 Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to get all 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.319 the insight goss on the popular TV shows you may 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.960 be watching from around the world. Undeniably, our TV sets 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.320 are still a major part of our home entertainment, and 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.160 yet very little is known about how our favorite shows 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.200 get made. 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This chat, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.920 I'm joined by Ryan Core who is back in Australia 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.920 to collaborate with the ABC Australia on a new series 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.760 called in Limbo, which premiere is Wednesday, the twenty fourth 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.200 of May at nine pm and then on ABCTV and ABC. 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.120 I view all six episodes are going to be available 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.960 to stream straight after the launch, and I strongly suggest 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.560 you take a chance on this new show. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.040 In Limbo. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.120 Ryan does talk to me today about the role of Charlie, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.320 whose best friend dies at the age of thirty eight. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.000 Charlie is forced to face his grief in a way 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.360 that he could never have imagined when the ghost of 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.440 his friend begins to haunt him. The series may sound 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:18.240 a little bit grim, and the idea of being a 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.160 comedy drama might actually surprise you, but I'm here to 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.480 tell you that this show is highly entertaining if you 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:25.920 don't mind laughing and needing a box of tissues at 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.400 the same time. The in Limbo production team did an 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.440 amazing job behind the scenes and they were extremely grateful 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.040 to have a mental health advisory group working with them 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.640 during the development of the production. And I want to 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.840 offer a content warning as well. This conversation today does 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.160 include topics of mental health, suicide and depression, and I'd 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.840 like to offer the Lifeline twenty four hour telephone number, 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.520 which is a crisis line thirteen eleven fourteen. I will 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.320 ask Ryan if this project was of a particular interest 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.280 and if he said yes, because he wanted to add 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.480 to the important conversation of men's mental health. Ryan will 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.920 talk about the differences of working on shows like How 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.320 So the Dragon overseas and making TV here in Australia, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.880 and why he enjoys the intimacy of localized production. We 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.840 will discuss how he shaped his relationship with actor Bob 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.280 Morley to give their best friend's status the right authenticity 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.840 that this show required. Plus, we will get plenty of 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.000 exclusives from behind the scenes of this fantastic news series 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.600 in Limbo, which, as I mentioned, starts this week on 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.280 ABC Australia. Anyway, I'm very excited about this because I 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.839 love Rank Kore and we should probably bring him into 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.240 the podcast and unpack this fantastic new show. Hey Ben, 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:33.880 I just want to say thank you so much for 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.399 doing this chat. Like I'm the hugest fan of your work, 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.519 I kind of begin to tell you, and I've used 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.560 this opportunity to interview you today to sort of revisit 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.959 a lot of your work. So over the weekend I've 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.480 pretty much seen everything. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.200 Okay, how far back did you go? 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.480 All the way back? I'm clearly holding the man was 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.280 so important to me. I read that book when it 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.120 first came out, and anyway, but we're not here to 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.120 talk about that. We're here to talk about in Limbo. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.680 How did you become I'm involved with this series. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.680 Got sent the script as per usual. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.840 I'd worked with Bunya before, but never Jennifer from Ers, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.200 and I. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.400 Had a pretty visceral reaction to the script. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.720 I think strangely everyone that's ultimately been involved with Limbo 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.920 had the same reaction, but maybe laugh and cry. And 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.840 that's not always the case, you know. I think within 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.000 ten to fifteen pages you can usually tell if something 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.480 grips you or not. But I found with this that 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.280 I was sort of like laughing out loud. I could 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.639 see the comedy and then literally within the next scene, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.400 I'd found myself, oh, like you know, holding back, holding 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.080 back tears, and there's something very powerful about that. And 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:36.920 it also had a pace to it. It also sort 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.120 of did all of those things while still really moving, 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:40.400 you know what I mean. It sort of touched on 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.160 these really heavy topics, made you laugh, made you cry, 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.720 and got out of there, and so that was really exciting. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.960 And Trent O'Donnell, who I just think is one of 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.240 the best directors in the world. Definitely one of the 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.200 best comedy directors in the world who I'd worked with 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.440 on Moody's. I found it he was attached and that 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.520 just sort of completely articulated the series. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:58.360 So from what I. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.640 Read to understanding, having having Trend's sensibilities attached to it, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:02.560 I could sort. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.560 Of have an idea of what it might be. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.160 But the challenge then became once Bob and I got 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.000 cast and we all sat around in a room together, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.480 how do we meet that tone, which is kind of 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:12.400 an unusual one to hit. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:13.840 Well, I'm going to talk about that in a second, 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.840 but I just want to say the showed completely. It 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:18.919 just penetrated me so deeply, and I was about halfway 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.720 through the first episode and I got up. I thought 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.320 I was going to the bathroom, but I just leaned 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.039 over the bed and had like a cry, And that 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.920 has never happened to me with any movie or series 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.839 I've ever seen. And to also throw something on top 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.480 of that, I found myself equally having a laugh. That 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.400 was just as honest with this series. So I hope 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.520 people don't think, oh, this is going to be a 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.880 sad show because it's got levels. 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.320 Oh well, that's so amazing to hear. Ben, I'm so 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.360 pleased it touched you in that way. That was certainly 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.600 our pursuit, and I think it was also the challenge. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.799 It's also how do you deal with themes about suicide 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.560 and about loss, about grief, and about coming together and 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.480 not get lost in that and not find it too 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.120 wallowing or overwhelming. I think, much like life I've just 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.480 been saying today, I find Limbo is very much a 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.200 series about life, as much or more so about life 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.040 than it is about death. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.200 It's about how. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.040 We come together afterwards. It's about how we process these 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.760 things ourselves and within our communities and within our families. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.520 And in a strange way, you can watch the whole 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.600 of Limbo with Nate being a manifestation of something that 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.680 Charlie's created in order to deal with the loss of 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.279 his friend. In order to it's his memory of what 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.560 his friend was like. It's his memory of the gags 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.520 that all the things that he'd give him shit about. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.159 So that there are those there are those layers to it. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.440 And we also took it, you know, in dealing with 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.480 themes like suicide, we also took the utmost responsibility in 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.720 sitting with each other at the beginning of this and 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.120 getting to know each other extremely well personally and our 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.160 experiences both directly and indirectly with loss, and also sit 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.720 down with the psychologists so that we knew that we 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.720 were approaching this in the correct way and giving it 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.960 the utmost respect. Having said all of that, I think 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.200 if this series is about life as much as it's death. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.600 In life, there are those moments, and they often come 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.080 at the same times of profound sadness, you know what 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.400 I mean. You can have just finished and then something 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.120 makes you that your mum does something that makes you 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.560 laugh in inappropriate and all of a sudden it's cathartic. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:16.800 And I think that balance and that sort of that 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.120 levity and that weight and sort of having both of 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.960 them exist is in most of our lives and in 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.120 most of our relationships, and certainly something we've tried to 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.040 tried to put into limbo. It's not an easy thing 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.640 to do, you know, because totally it's an unusual show. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:30.920 Right. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.720 I kept thinking, how are you doing this? Because I'm 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.640 thinking about the subject matter. I'm thinking about the realities 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:43.120 I've been in situations of unspeakable grief and those moments 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.200 have been really odd because I found myself laughing. I 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.880 remember my best friend's sister passed away last year and 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.320 she was laughing on the day that that happened. She 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.840 looked at me like I'm a terrible person, and I 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.239 was like no, I was like, sometimes that's that very 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.599 fine line between something quite horrific can make you laugh, 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.200 like it's a human reaction. It's in us. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.800 When I lost my grandfather, we were really lucky. We 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.120 almost lost him a couple of times and didn't, and 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:12.640 we had him for like five years, longer than we 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.400 should and in the end it was sort of like, 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.440 you know, a pretty slow process, but we're all it was. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.920 It was my mum and her sister and myself and 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.400 my sister all holding hands as he was going, and 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:24.840 you know, he was a stubborn old thing, and he 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.760 was sort of like you know, oh, mysh, I remember 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.400 you sort of pulled his auction thing out and was 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.280 like this is the time. And as we're all sort 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:31.920 of holy hands saying it's okay, it's all right, mate, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.160 it's okay that you go now, he made like this 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.640 funny We called him Wad, my grandfather's name. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.680 We call him dad wad Waddy daddy, and he made 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.640 this funny sound. He was like something like that, and 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:42.280 all of us. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.120 Like from absolute you know, literally saying goodbye to the man, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.360 burst out in hysterical laughter and were of the last 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.040 memories we have of each other are sort of laughing 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.240 out saying it's okay, you can let go now. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:52.960 And that stuck with. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.560 Me for my whole life, and my sister too, and 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.920 and I just remember it being so cathartic. It's just 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.880 such an incredible experience sitting there with the people I 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.840 love most in this world saying goodbye to a person 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.440 that I loved most in this world together like it 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.720 was almost like a passage and finding and finding this 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.200 moment of absolute levity in it and life, and it 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.120 was and it helped me process it, and having that 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.200 experience helped all of us in the letting go of him. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.680 And I also after that. 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.320 And I know that in the show Limbo, people explore 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.080 people experience grief differently, they definitely process it differently. And 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.120 I think particularly in Limbo, we meet Charlie and he's 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.160 trying to put things in the ways to distract him. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:33.160 He's trying to be of service. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.160 He's trying to help, he's trying to do he's trying 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.080 to dose after the family that are still here that 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.880 Nates of Nates, and I think m Harvey's character is 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.640 this wonderful emotional weight and this emotional, incredible tether into reality. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.400 She's she's Okay, sure this has happened, but I've got 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.880 a child to look after here, and i have to 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.719 get the bills done. And we're over here on the finances. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.160 And there's that way, and then there's, in a strange way, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.240 there's the way Nates, manifested is dealing with it. It's 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.480 sort of like completely avoidant and hey, let's just keep 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:05.719 it up here, you know what I mean? Hey, no, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.480 what are we talking about? Like it's all his boys. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.760 It's avoiding answers until they sort of find them together. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.320 And what I love about it is that in Charlie 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:17.360 pursuing answers through the series that he might possibly never get, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.080 it's the people that are left that go looking for 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:20.559 those answers. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.840 He actually finds a part of himself. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.480 And so in a strange way, Nate's sort of guiding 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.120 him from beyond to help him understand that he has 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.760 things that he has to process to not just the 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.920 grief of Nate, but in his own life. And that's 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:34.719 sort of the ultimate sharing of love for. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.720 Me, you know, and I think that's so important in 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.800 this show. I mean, mental health in you know, is 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.360 a big issue in Australia. I think we need more 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.600 conversations about it, and I think scripted drama is a 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.240 really impactful space to do that. You know, was this 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.800 something that you particularly wanted to explore? 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.440 Well, I mean no, it's certainly not something that was like, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.200 oh yeah, like you know, a drama comedy dealing with 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.679 grief and loss. But the idea of trying to make 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.400 something that treaded that balance, that had both both of 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.079 those things within it really appealed to me because of 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.079 those experiences that I talk about, because life has been 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.720 that for me and I could see that sort of 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.040 coming out of out of the page when I read it. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.720 And so the challenge became trying to try to trying 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.200 to paint that, you know what I mean, trying to 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.439 take it off there and try to do that. And 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.040 I don't think we got it all the way right, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.400 and sometimes you know, we were like, hang on a second. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.120 If Nate's here. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.680 If this is Charlie's version of Nate, then wouldn't he 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.720 be telling him? You know, there's a lot of complications 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.840 within it, but it is a huge, huge issue, I think, 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.000 particularly amongst young men, particularly in Australia between twenties and thirties, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.880 people in different minorities, people of color, like, there was 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:40.680 a number of ratios that are really out of whack, 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:41.800 I think, particularly out. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:42.559 Of after COVID. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.280 I think COVID was a time that for a lot 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.680 of people was really difficult in the mental health space. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.280 I think it brought up a lot of things for 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.199 people because we were so confined, because we dealt with 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.880 a lot of loss and a lot of fear because 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.080 we were around those that we love all the time 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.880 and sort of and sort of you know, there was 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.720 a certain I know, form me, there was a certain 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.959 claustrophobia to that. And so I think we've sort of 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.160 seen a rise, you know, now that we've sort of 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.000 like started to come back into the world again, there's 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.640 been a rise in awareness around mental health and other 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.360 people perhaps realizing that they're not as okay as they 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.560 thought they were. One of the things that Limbo I 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.199 think does really well is that it shows you know, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.120 what's on the surface isn't necessarily always what's going on behind, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.400 And in my experience of mental health, that's very much 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.040 been the case. And I think that after COVID, I 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.360 think that time and what that sort of did sort 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:30.839 of made a lot of people sort of reflect a 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:32.680 little bit bit more so on their mental health, and 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.360 I hope start more conversations about it, and I hope 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.400 that this show is a part of that conversation. 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:38.800 It's going to do that. 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.280 I love the fact that it's had any of that 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.520 impact for you, man, like truly like that that means 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.320 that that means a huge amount, because that's all we 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.400 can try and do is have that is have it 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.439 land on someone and have an impact like it's had 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.200 for yourself, so that it's like a. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.200 Lift as well, Like as in for me, you don't 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.040 realize you're carrying things, and I was carrying things that 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.959 I didn't realize and then when you can see your 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.440 self on screen in a show like this and you go, oh, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.560 that's what's happening to me. I didn't know that, and 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.360 that show sort of elevated that for me, and personally 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.319 it felt like an actual tangible lift from me. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.000 So, yeah, that's so wonderful. I can't tell you how 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:19.199 great that is to hear. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.720 Do you think that we are making progress in the 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.040 fight to combat you know, the issues in society that 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.800 we have, particularly about men suffering, you know, quietly behind 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:29.560 closed doors. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.839 I think we are making progress. Yeah, And I think 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:32.920 I think this show is a part of that. I 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:33.960 think we're making I think. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.840 It's because slowly, the ideas of toxic masculinity and being 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.520 okay and stiff upper lip and you know, I'll be right, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.480 don't worry about it. Slowly the illusion of that is 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.840 being dissipated, and we're realizing that true masculinity and true 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.400 strength is actually being vulnerable and actually sharing. And I 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.400 think again, the state of the world and what's been 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.079 happening recently has really sort of focused that in a bit. 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.000 So I like to think I like to think that 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.840 we're making sort of head roads in psychology and in 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.600 ideas of mental health and in people understanding that there 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.960 is places to reach out to for help and where 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.480 they will receive it and there is nothing, there's zero 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.280 shame around it, you know what I mean. I think 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.520 for the longest time, it's been a generational thing. It's 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.280 just not something you spoke about. And I hope that 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.760 now we're in a more articulate and open society that 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.079 we do feel safer to share about those things and 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:20.840 to reach out and get the help that we have. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.640 I don't know, I don't know if the numbers back 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.560 up that that is changing, but I'd like to think 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.559 that conversations like this and that shows that Nimbo can 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.360 have something to do with continuing that conversation. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.840 I think your work is really quite powerful. I mean, collectively, 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.320 we don't sit down and watch a particular's actors work 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.560 like I did over the weekend. But I thought that 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.600 there is a hidden kind of mission statement in what 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.760 it is that you've been able to achieve in the 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.200 roles that you've played as a male. And I think 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.120 that that's quite courageous because that's the very essence of 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.800 the whole thing, is us believing we have to be 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.160 this particular Aussie bloke, where for you, you've been able 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.679 to navigate what it is to be a man in 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.880 your work and in the stories that you've told. I mean, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.000 has there been times where you've really questioned what it 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.040 is to be a man and what. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.160 That oh my whole life continually yesterday. Yeah, that's a 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.200 really profound thing to say. Yeah, And I have been 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.360 very fortunate and lucky for a number of reasons. One 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:21.800 being able to do something that I really believe that 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.280 I'm passionate about that has the artistic and creative sort 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.840 of like availability to do so. But I've always had 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.600 great teachers and mentors. I went through drama school after 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.480 I'd done some of those teen shows, and I had 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.600 Kevin Jackson, who's just recently passed, who is May he 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.040 rest in peace, who was such a giant of a 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.840 man in my life, who sort of taught me that 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.000 what I was doing wasn't just about coming in and 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.000 doing a good job of making people laugh, for doing characters, 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.120 actually about something much bigger than you. It's actually about 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.000 a narrative that's been going on for you know, sixty 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.760 five thousand years plus. You know what I mean, when 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.600 we ran a fire saying this is what happened on 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.640 the Hunt today, all the way up until at theater, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:59.040 up until now. So it about elevating writers, and elevating 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.320 two writers rather and two great artworks, and serving your 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.320 place within that and so that sort of changed the 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.440 responsibility of my job for me. You know, it wasn't 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.120 just something that I was good at that, you know 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.400 that I'm good attention was like, oh, there's a responsibility 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.200 to this. And I've been so lucky and fortunate too 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.640 in so many different worlds to explore and research so 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.560 many different worlds, you know, from the AIDS crisis in 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.800 the eighties in Australia to Arnham Land and the church 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:27.200 up there in early colonial Australia to Brisbane where I'm 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.160 just dealing with something that's a little bit closer to 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.120 home because I've got those friendships that are like brothers 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.760 to me, and I've lost people in those friendships, and 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.120 I've lost people in my life. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:38.120 And I really like what. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.160 You said earlier about you could see yourself in that family. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.000 I mean, if we've done our job well at all, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.320 everyone indirectly or directly has been has been affected by loss, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.280 and hopefully you can you can feel or see yourself 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.320 in Charlie in those families or in the family as 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.640 a whole. Hopefully you can receive something for your own 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.920 life from that. I've just been very lucky, you know. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.440 It's an unusual thing in this job. Getting often get 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.320 to it's like, this is what you are. What do 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.880 you like when you are bad? What do you like 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.480 when you are wrong? What do you like when you 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.560 are happy? What do you like when you're in love? 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.600 What is it like when you're really dark and sociopathic? 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.320 And we are all those things? You know what I mean? 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.200 We are you know, I've just. 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:18.880 Got to every now and then dial up and dial 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.680 down those things, and yeah, hell yeah. It's made me 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.880 question at different stages, like, well, which part of this 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.960 is Ryan and which part is and which parts are 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.040 how much of what I just associated with or how 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.360 much of what I just discovered inside myself is from 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.600 my reality and how much of it is being immersed 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.160 in that world? And yeah, it's like it's like like 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.680 therapy every time. And so I've really made a concerted 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.440 effort to between those jobs and do the things, to 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.040 do my own therapeutic process and to just make sure 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.120 that I remain grounded and aware of who I am 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.000 as an individual, as a person well explored. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.200 I feel really repulsed about myself. Sometimes I'll do things 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.200 which I don't agree with, and I'll be like, why 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.520 did I do that and my part and we'll bring 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.120 it up. He'll be like, some of this behavior is 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.960 not okay, And then I loathe myself, you know, I think, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.040 oh my god. And it's taken me a long time 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.760 to sort of try and appreciate who I am as 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.879 a person and not beat myself up for those things. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.720