1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: The Rising Conquer Podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of the 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: land which this episode is being recorded, the Yugen Bear region. 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: We further acknowledge country throughout Australia and their connections to land, 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: sea and community. We pay our respect to their elders 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: and Terrestriid islander peoples today. Hello and welcome back to 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This is the podcast for 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: ordinary people who want to do extraordinary things. 9 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: What's so great about self awareness is that, yes, we 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: understand ourselves better, but the flip side of that is 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: that we also understand others better. And when it comes 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: to communication, which is usually a two way fee to 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: or more waiting, we can really sort of understand what 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: that other person is trying to say to us. 15 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back to the Rise and Conca podcast. 16 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: It is your host Georgie Stevenson, lawyer turned entrepreneur, business owner, 17 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: New Mum or The Things. Today we are chatting to 18 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: best selling author Giordana Levin. Jordana believes that our haa 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: moments are contagious and self awareness is your greatest superpower. 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: Geordana is the author of three amazing books, Make It Happen, 21 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: Make You Happen, and Hire Love. I've read them all 22 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: and they're so so good. We've actually had Jordana on 23 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: the potty years ago where we chatted about her first book, 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: which is all about manifesting. I'll make sure to link 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: it because I know you guys will love that one too. 26 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: So today we chat about all things self awareness, strengthening 27 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: your intuition, and how we can improve our communication to 28 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: best express our most authentic self. It was such a 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: lovely chat and I honestly cannot wait for you guys 30 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: to hear it. But before we get into the episode, 31 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: a little weekly update. If you haven't listened to Friday's episode, 32 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: which you should, we told you guys that we have 33 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: beautiful rn C affirmations that you can download. Of course, 34 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: they're esthetically pleasing, they're completely free. All you have to 35 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: do is go to the website, which is just Georgie 36 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Stevenson dot net and you can download them straight to 37 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: your phone and there's seven beautiful affirmations. I know you 38 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: guys will love them. They're quite fun. We also did 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: a sneaky shoot for rn C for something we have 40 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: for you guys coming up. I cannot say anymore. Teas 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: giving me eyes. Should we just tell them no? And gotcha, 42 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: go ahead dell them no. Actually, let's just tell them. Okay. 43 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: So guys, you've seen it, You've seen it everywhere. We 44 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: created an RNC. 45 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: We couldn't leave it in. 46 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: You wanted me to tell them a tea. Well, this 47 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: was last week, but a little update so special because 48 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: Jamie moved to the Gold Coat Jamie moved to the 49 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: Gold Coast. Say hi, Jamie. 50 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: Hi. 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: So we've been egging Jamie on for a long time, 52 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: being like move to the goldcost Jamie, and she she 53 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: hasn't officially moved, but she's down here for a good 54 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: amount of time for a month. She's actually staying in 55 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: my guest house, which is fun. I had dinner with 56 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: Jamie and her mom last night and her mom is 57 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: so I love your mom. I'm obsessed. And when she 58 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: told me about like your dad and her, I was like, 59 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: this is Jamie, Like I know where she comes from 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: now it just made so much sense but it was 61 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: so lovely and yeah, so Jamie's here. So this is 62 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: actually like our first like little recording where We've got 63 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: her in the office, which is pretty cool. And that's 64 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: about it. Had Ellie's twenty first. That was a lot 65 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: of fun was noted here. 66 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: Yes. 67 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Good. I'm starting to get a bit sick you had 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: too much fun, But yes, that is all. Let's get 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: into this episode. I know you guys are going to 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: love it. Gordana, welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: It's so good to have you back on the show. 72 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. It's so great to be 73 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: back on the show. 74 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: We are so excited here before we get into the episode, 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: do you want to just tell the audience who you 76 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: are and all the good things you do? 77 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess first and foremost these days, I'm a writer. 78 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: I've written three personal development books, Make It Happen, Higher Love, 79 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: and Make You Happen. I think we spoke about make 80 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: It Happen the last time I was on the podcast. Yeah. 81 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: So I'm still writing, but kind of switch lanes a 82 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: little bit, and I'm writing my first fiction at the moment, 83 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: which is very exciting, very challenging, but a nice change 84 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: from personal development. 85 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so exciting. Could I possibly ask, 86 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: like what it's about. 87 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: Or Basically it is. The book is split into three parts, 88 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: and it's sort of like a sliding doors moment, the 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: protagonist with a decision of three choices, and then the 90 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: book splits into three separate timelines. So it's taking me 91 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: a really long time to write because I'm essentially writing 92 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: three plot lines at the one time. But I can 93 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: pull it off, which I'm pretty sure I can. It's 94 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: going to be pretty good. 95 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: I think, Oh my god, that does that sounds amazing 96 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: and is like, is the vibes like a bit of 97 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: a love story or a bit of. 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: A love story, bit of a coming of age story, 99 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: bit of a development story, all the things we love? 100 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: As I say, me and Natia, we're so excited. We 101 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: every like we this weekly recommendations on a Friday, and 102 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: all our recommendations are love story, coming of age. So 103 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: you've hit the nail on the head with us, and 104 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: we're very excited for this book. 105 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: You will be sent one of the very first copies. 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: I promised. 107 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: Oh I cannot wait. No, that's amazing. Congratulations and I 108 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: love that. That's such an evolution of you. Like you said, 109 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: you've done three self development books and obviously nailed it. 110 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: Your books are just amazing. But I love that you're 111 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: you know, you're growing, you're evolving, and you've got something new. 112 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: I bet it. I bet it's like keeping things really 113 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: fresh and exciting. 114 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I sort of I ran out of 115 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: stories to tell about myself, so I was like, I 116 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: better start someone else's story. 117 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: And it's interesting, you you know, bring up fiction because 118 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: just the other day on the podcast, I was telling 119 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: the RNC fan that I am like ride or Die 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: for my self development. Obviously I have a self development podcast, 121 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: but recently I'm like, I'm actually reading, for the first 122 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: time and probably four years, a fiction book because I'm like, 123 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: I need to I'm a new mum too, so I'm 124 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: like I need to separate, you know, my work, and 125 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: I need to have some time away. And I feel 126 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: like fiction books are just amazing to like completely get 127 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: lost in another world and you know, a form of yeah, 128 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: really kind of stepping outside of like constantly learning and 129 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 1: just doing something where it's like it's just fully for you. 130 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: So that's really gad. 131 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: And you know what my publisher said to me not 132 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: so long ago when I was sort of floating the 133 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: themes in this fiction book and I said to her, Oh, 134 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: do you think I should like really sort of weave 135 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: through some self help and personal development into the fiction? 136 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: And she said to me, which I found really interesting, 137 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: And it's so true, she said, jawed. Every character in 138 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: a book goes through some sort of character development. There's 139 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: some sort of development of person that happens to either 140 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: the protagonist or the other characters throughout a really well 141 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: written story. So she said, so true. So you know, 142 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: even when you're reading fiction and you're taking a break 143 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: from those self help books, there's still this evolution of 144 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: self and recognition of self that you can see within 145 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: those characters. 146 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: It's almost like it's such a it is, it's a 147 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: form of self help. It's just written in like a 148 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: really beautiful, juicy way. Which how good. Yeah, all right, 149 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: well let's start talking back about self development. So, like 150 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: you said, you were on the potty, and I'll make 151 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: sure I link the first episode we did together, which is, Oh, Jordane, 152 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: I think it was. It would be like three years ago, now, 153 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't have Could you spoke at one of our live events, 154 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: the very first one in Brisbane? 155 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: I think it would have been twenty nineteen because that 156 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: event was twenty nineteen. Wasn't it was before? 157 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: That's crazy, So it's so good to have you back on. 158 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: So I have just read your new book, Make You Happen, 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: and it's so beautiful and I love how you've really 160 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, obviously self development and self help, but it's 161 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: really written in a new way and I guess made 162 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: me think about things from a new perspective. I would 163 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: love for you to a first because I feel like 164 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the audience would have read Make It Happen. 165 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain to us the difference between 166 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: these two books and what you really kind of brought 167 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: in the Make You Happen. 168 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Make It Happen is a book about manifestation, 169 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: and it essentially walks you through the theory of manifestation 170 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: and then the practical application of it. So it's like 171 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: a really foundational teaching of the manifestation practice. Make You 172 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: Happen sort of builds on what we learned in Make 173 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: It Happen, which was essentially the manifestation equation thoughts plus 174 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: feelings plus action and faith and says, hey, that equation 175 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: is really great and super handy, but in order to 176 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: manifest what we want, we have to first acknowledge that 177 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: we manifest who we are. So what I saw in 178 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: Make You Happen is fine tuning, a really acute self 179 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: awareness practice, because if we can become super self aware 180 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: of who we are, it's easier for us to show 181 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: up authentically, stay in alignment with ourselves, and from that space, 182 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: we start to vibrate on a frequency that's truly authentic 183 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: to us and naturally start to manifest that which is 184 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: meant for us towards us. 185 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: It's such like the thing of you very much manifest. 186 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: You know who you are and what you are, and 187 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: so I think that's such a key thing as we 188 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: can often miss of. It's funny because I kind of 189 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: I have like a manifesting course, and that's what I 190 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: explain in it is the formula is actually really quite simple, 191 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: but you need to work on yourself and really get 192 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: to a point where you know you love yourself, your 193 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: your your whole authentic self, and you have accepted all 194 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: the parts of yourself and you feel very seen. And 195 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: then when you manifest from that point, it's so much 196 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: more powerful and it's so much more, for lack of 197 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: a better word, like easier, because you're so clear on 198 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: who you are and what you want, and you're so 199 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: clear of oh, these are the limiting beliefs and that 200 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: sort of thing. So that is Yeah, that is so 201 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: perfect and it's such such a powerful book. Well, do 202 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: you want to kind of explain to the audience a 203 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: bit more about self awareness? Because something I often say 204 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: is when you know someone has a how question of 205 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: you know, let's say they have a limiting belief and 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: it's like, how do I overcome it? And something I 207 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: kind of explained to them. The fact that you're even 208 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: self aware now is just such a huge thing and 209 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: such a great first set. So do you want to 210 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: just explain, you know, what is self awareness and how 211 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: it actually affects manifesting. 212 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like you said, self awareness creates this really 213 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: sort of beautiful foundation for you to understand yourself so 214 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: well that you can show up and embrace the way 215 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: the world in a way that sort of you know, 216 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 2: plays to your strengths but also recognizes and considers your 217 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: weaknesses and not to use those weaknesses as an excuse, 218 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: but to show a bit of compassion and self love 219 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: and a gentle nature to yourself in each and every moment. 220 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: Understanding who you are is such an integral part of 221 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: manifesting because manifestation really is about the creation of that 222 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: which we desire, and you don't know what it is 223 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: you desire until you can truly understand who you are 224 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: and how you're affected by the situations, the people, the 225 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: experiences that are happening around you. So what I did 226 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: in the book is I kind of split because self 227 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: awareness is such a big topic. I kind of split 228 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: into six aspects of self. And the six aspects of 229 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: self are identity, emotions, energy, communication, love, sex and desire 230 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: kind of squeezed into one aspect, and your spirituality and intuition. 231 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: And I guess when you can sort of split it 232 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: up like that and think, Okay, how and who do 233 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 2: I identify as? How do I express and process my emotions? 234 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: Because the thing is we all do it differently, and 235 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: nothing is right and nothing is particularly wrong. It's about 236 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: being how you show in the world. Yeah, so that's 237 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: also your energy levels, how you exert, how you recharge, 238 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: how you sort of fulfill those energetic capacities and energetic 239 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: needs that you have. How you communicate is such a 240 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: huge part because we all have different strengths when it 241 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: comes to our communication, and some people say, oh, you know, 242 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: I'm just not a very good communicator. It's about finding 243 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: the ways in which you do communicate well and utilizing 244 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: those to the best of your ability. Love, sex, and desire, 245 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: of course, is a huge part of what makes us 246 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: human and what forms connection with other people. And then 247 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: lastly our spirituality and our intuition, so sort of how 248 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: we listen to that internal part of us, that internal knowing. 249 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: It's almost like we recently did a podcast on the 250 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: five Love Languages, and it was such an interesting experiment 251 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: just for me and my partner because you know, I'd 252 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: heard about I'd heard about that, and and until we 253 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: actually had the conversation where I asked him, how do 254 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: you want to receive love? And how do you want 255 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: to give love? And then I did the same thing, 256 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: and it opened up this whole thing of I was 257 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: so much more aware, and I was like so much 258 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: more understanding, And because our love languages are very different, 259 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: because we're obviously very different people. But then once you 260 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: have the awareness and once you have the understanding, I 261 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, made some very small tweaks in our relationship 262 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: that I was like, oh my god, this has made 263 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: such a huge difference, and it just took you know, 264 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: that little bit of awareness. So it's like a similar 265 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: thing but with ourselves in those you know, different categories. 266 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, because I think a lot of the time, especially 267 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: in relationships, we put so much effort into understanding the 268 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: other person. But if we put much effort into understanding ourselves, 269 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: then we're actually in a better position to have a 270 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: great relationship because we get to explain to the other 271 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: person who who we are. And if we don't take 272 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: the time to find that clarity, then it can become 273 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: really fuzzy and unclear. 274 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: And do you have like a go to exercise? I'll 275 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: say no, there's so much information and so many good 276 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: exercises in the book. I really love how each chapter 277 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: there were you know, exercises you could do because I'm 278 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: someone who loves homework quickly. But do you have kind 279 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: of like a go to exercise? If someone in the 280 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: community has listened to this episode and they're kind of like, 281 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: I really don't know who I am and what I want, 282 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: what would be like a very first initial thing that 283 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: they could do right now to just get that little 284 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: bit step closer. 285 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. I would start with, 286 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: like the really simple question of what brings me joy? 287 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: What lights me up? And sort of just getting really 288 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: familiar with the things little and big that make you 289 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: feel joyful and make you feel alive and bring you energy, 290 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: you know, And I think, is that is something that 291 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: we don't consider all the time. Again, we always look 292 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: how we can please other people or how we can 293 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 2: make work more comfortable for other people, you know, But 294 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: if you sort of turn the tables on yourself and say, okay, 295 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: what what would make me feel better in this moment? 296 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: What would what would make me feel joy right now? 297 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: What would make it feel lighter? And sort of getting 298 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: curious about those aspects of self. 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: And something in your book I remember reading, is you 300 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of explain just kind of what you said then 301 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: of the first the kind of steps of this is 302 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: I guess you know, first of all, it's the curiosity, 303 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: and then it's the acceptance, and then it's the embodiment. 304 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: Can you kind of go through that process and give 305 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: us a bit of an example of what that would 306 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: look like? Because I just thought this was so interesting. 307 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think much like you, Georgie, love work and 308 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: steps and equations all the. 309 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: Steps and all the equations and all the methods exactly. 310 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: So much like what could happen had the manifestation equation. 311 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: I created three steps of self awareness for make you happen, 312 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: and I think, look at something we do quite naturally, 313 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: but when you break it down into steps, it's really 314 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: easy to understand it. So the first step of self 315 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: awareness is the curiosity piece. Some of us are really 316 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: curious people. I am like, I have to know everything 317 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: all of the time. But for other people it's like 318 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: really taking the time to get curious about situations. So 319 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: in terms of self awareness, that's things like self inquiry 320 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: and self reflection, asking yourself questions, how do I feel 321 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: or how do I feel in this moment? How does 322 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: this situation make me feel? How does this problem make 323 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 2: me feel? How does this person make me feel? What 324 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 2: is this experience teaching me? What have I learned in 325 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: the past in order to navigate this situation better? So 326 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: just asking questions, getting curious, you know, after being through 327 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: an experience, saying to yourself, what can I take away 328 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: from this? What was the lesson here? Yeah, also getting 329 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: curious again I mentioned it before, but about what your 330 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: strengths are in different areas of your life, and also 331 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: what your weaknesses are, again not to use them as 332 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: an excuse, but just so you can have an awareness 333 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: of them and use them to the best of your abilities. 334 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 2: Once we get curious and we sort of start to 335 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: question ourselves and question situations, there's the next step. Really 336 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: is the acceptance piece, and this is the gracing of 337 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: your strengths and weaknesses, being gentle with yourself through failures 338 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: and periods of healing, and also like really sort of 339 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: celebrating your successes. A big part of acceptance is being 340 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: at peace with yourself. So we talk about self love 341 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: a lot, but I think this idea of just being 342 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: okay with where you are at, accepting yourself for who 343 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: you are, knowing yes, we can always expand and grow 344 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: and learn more, but it's okay just to be who 345 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: we are right now in this moment. An AHA moment 346 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: for me with the acceptance piece is when I realized 347 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: that a common roadblock for me, and I'm sure this 348 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: is the case for many other people when it comes 349 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: to self acceptance, is that we feel like we can 350 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: only accept ourselves to the degree we feel accepted by others. 351 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: So if you feel that is the case for you. 352 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 2: It's really sort of again going back to the beginning, 353 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: getting curious about why that is, Why can't I accept 354 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: this thing about myself? And then the last step of 355 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: self awareness, and it is the clincher, really is the 356 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: embodiment piece. It's embodying what you've learned and accepted about yourself. 357 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: I think for many of us with self help work, 358 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: with personal development work, this is where we trip up. Yeah, 359 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: we can need all of the self help and personal 360 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: development books, we can do all the courses, listen to 361 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 2: the podcast, all of the things, and we have the knowledge, 362 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: but we need to be able to apply it, embodiment, 363 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: embody it, and like show up as those teachings within 364 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: our life day to day. 365 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: That's such the missing piece, isn't it. I feel like 366 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: sometimes and you know, I'm so guilty of this too. 367 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: Of I love learning. I love you know, there's a 368 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: reason that I work in self development and I love learning. 369 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: But sometimes we can kind of go through and it's 370 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: learning and learning and learning and aha moments. But unless 371 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: you're actually embodying it and actually putting into practice, it's 372 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: kind of like just going into one ear and going 373 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: out the other. So I think the embodiment is such 374 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: a huge key, you know, seeing that people I guess 375 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: miss and kind of don't implement. So that's yeah, that's 376 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: so important. 377 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: The embodiment piece is an interesting one because I think 378 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: we can be sort of in and out of flux 379 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: with it. Like, just because we understand ourselves and we 380 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: know something about ourselves doesn't mean that we're always showing 381 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: up like that. So like really checking in with yourself 382 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: and saying, all right, did I really embody my values 383 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: in that moment or did I just ignore them correctly? 384 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: You know, it is a constant practice. I know for myself, 385 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: I went through a period at the end of last 386 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: year even the beginning of this year, after I've wrote 387 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: this book where I was not embodying everything I knew, 388 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: you know, I'd sort of it was a slow process 389 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: where I'd really distanced myself from a lot of the 390 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: practices that used to be part of my every day 391 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: And because it was such a slow progress or process, 392 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: I didn't realize it had happened until I sort of 393 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: looked back and I was like, hang on, I'm not 394 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: embodying any of that stuff that I talk about, and 395 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: really sort of having to go back to the beginning 396 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 2: and start to reintroduce it. 397 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: It's so true, isn't it. I often am in the 398 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: exact same boat where almost though I feel like we 399 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: go through seasons, I personally would go through seasons where 400 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm just so strong with my boundaries and like knowing 401 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: who I am and so clear on my goals, and 402 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: then other seasons where and I can kind of resonate 403 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: with this recently, especially after having a baby, girl Ivy is, 404 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm going through season feels like a very long season, 405 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: but I'm going through a season where, you know, like 406 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: when you have a baby, it is very much like 407 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: a death of your old self and you know you're 408 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: almost reborn, because it feels like a completely different person. 409 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: It feels like a completely different life. And I probably 410 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: haven't taken enough time to really figure out like who 411 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: I am in this new season of life, and I've 412 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: just been trying to, you know, go with it and 413 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: do the best I can, which is obviously amazing. But 414 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm finding I look back at myself even 415 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: one or two years ago, and I'm like, that just 416 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: feels like such a different person who was so strong 417 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: with her boundaries, who was so clear what she wanted, 418 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: and I'm currently going through a season where I'm like 419 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit foggy. 420 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 2: No, I was just going to say, it's just a 421 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: matter of like checking in with yourself again, starting with 422 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: those identity chapters and saying, do I identify as now 423 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: what are my value now that I'm a mother, because 424 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: they're going to be completely different. 425 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: I think that's the big thing too, is I've spent 426 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: most of the year, I guess, ignoring the fact that 427 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm a whole different person and kind of just and 428 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: also just you know, trying to get through life. It's 429 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: obviously so much more difficult. But for the first time, 430 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: probably in the last month, I've actually had a clear 431 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: head where I have been answering some of those questions 432 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: and being like almost switching it around from this negative 433 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: thing to this kind of you know, taking is that 434 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: a positive and being like, I actually get to decide 435 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: what my new values are and what I stand for, 436 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: and I get to really, you know, take control. I'm 437 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: a control break and take control and be like, I 438 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: actually get to create this new life and yes it's different, 439 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: but how exciting Rather than seeing it as you know, 440 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: a death of my old self. I'm like, it's the 441 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: birth of the new me. And how exciting I get 442 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: to explore. I get to experience all these things again. So, 443 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's been a whole journey that I've been on, 444 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of people can resonate 445 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: even if you haven't recently given birth. But just I 446 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: think since COVID, like all our lives are so different, 447 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: so many things have happened, and I feel like you 448 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: can It's it's never going to hurt to revisit, you know, 449 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: these identities pieces. And actually I'd love to talk about 450 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: values because I'm going to be very honest. Previously, when 451 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: I've heard about these concepts, I more resonate with like, 452 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, core beliefs, so core beliefs I have about myself. 453 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: And when I know used to hear on podcasts about 454 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: values of I used to be like, oh, it just 455 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: wasn't for me, if that makes sense. I never would 456 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: do that exercise. But since I have gone on this 457 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: journey of identity, I've been really kind of looking at 458 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: what are my values, and I've been you know, doing 459 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: the whole thing where I have the whole list of 460 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: words and picking the words et cetera. But yeah, could 461 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: you explain to the audience, like what that exercise looks 462 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: like of finding your values and why it's important? 463 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And I have to begin by saying I 464 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: was exactly the same Georgie. I was like, what, no, 465 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: boring the way that I view values in all my books. Actually, 466 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I've spoken about values in all my 467 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: books as thinking of them more like feelings. So all 468 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 2: beliefs is great, but I think a lot of the 469 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 2: time for many people, their beliefs are based purely on 470 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: like cerebral thoughts. So it's sort of me with the 471 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: same idea, but bringing it back down into the feeling 472 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 2: body and saying, how is it that I desire to 473 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: feel in my life? And moment to moment, can I say, 474 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: am I getting closer to this feeling? Or am I 475 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: getting further away from it? That's how I like to 476 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: look at values. So, for example, a really boring value 477 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: of mine is safety, and that comes up every scenario. 478 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: Safety in relationships, safety in friendships, safety at work, just 479 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 2: feeling safe within my nervous system. You know, less so 480 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 2: physical risk, but more in my nervous system. 481 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: Could you kind of explain how you came to understanding 482 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: that safety was one of your values. 483 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of the times in life 484 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: I felt unsafe, And I just want to really reiterate 485 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: that when I say unsafe, I don't mean that my 486 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: physical well being was put at risk or unsafe in 487 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: the feeling of discomfort when you're doing something new and 488 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of fear around it, I just mean, 489 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: like you know, an energy when you're around a certain 490 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: person and your nervous system is just not settled. You 491 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: just don't feel you can't relax, you don't feel safe. 492 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: Something feels inconsistent about it, something doesn't feel like there's 493 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: any kind of reliability in it. So that's when I 494 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: realized for me, safety was a huge component of my 495 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: value system. So yeah, like I said before, what it 496 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: means is going, okay, if safety is your value and 497 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: you want to be aligned with your values at all time, 498 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: questioning in certain scenarios around certain people, whether you're in 499 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: alignment with that value or out of alignment with it. 500 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: And then I guess that feeling though, like something that 501 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: I struggle with is my logical brain fights my logical 502 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: brain fights my you know, the feeling or the intuition. 503 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: So I do this all the time. I actually happened 504 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: recently where intuitively, I like, I get that first response 505 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: I kind of know, but my logical brain it takes 506 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: over and it's like, well, logically, blah blah blah, is 507 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: there anything we can do to I guess strengthen our 508 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: intuition and not counteract, because obviously we need our logical brain. 509 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess strengthen that and like learn to 510 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: trust that feeling. I guess practice, but. 511 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else, I feel like we're the same person 512 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: because I can completely light my logical brain takes over 513 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: everything all of the time. Like you said, intuition is 514 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: a practice. It really is. And when we talk about 515 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: strengthening our intuition, I think it's really important to note 516 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: that every every one has the same capacity and access 517 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: to their own intuition. The difference between someone with a 518 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: strong intuition and someone who doesn't feel like they have 519 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: a strong intuition is how often you listen to it, 520 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 2: how often you follow it, how often you respond to it. 521 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: So I think, really it is practice. It is knowing 522 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: that your intuition is never wrong. So if you feel 523 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: something and your logical brain is telling you something else. 524 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 2: You can decide to go with your logical brain. That's fine, 525 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: but it's accepting wherever you land and thinking, Okay, look, 526 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: my intuition actually did tell me the other thing. So 527 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: next time, maybe I'll try and listen to that, and 528 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: you might listen to your intuition. Intuition one time, or 529 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: your logical brain's going I don't know if that's a 530 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: good idea, and you might get there and it might 531 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: not be the situation you needed, but you will definitely 532 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: have a takeaway lesson from it. So I always think 533 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: practice listening to it, act on it by following your intuition, 534 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: see where you end up, get curious, start those three 535 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: steps of self awareness, and then reassess the next time. 536 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: It's it's such an interesting thing, intuition, because I think 537 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: we all feel it so differently, and I know that 538 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: when I try and teach it to people, there's a 539 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 2: real struggle because everyone's accessing it in different ways. It 540 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: really is a personal thing. Only way to get familiar 541 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 2: with yours really is to just, you know, practice again 542 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: and again and again. 543 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think also it's kind of what you said, 544 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: you know this whole episode of Get Curious and Like 545 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: reflect because I feel like most of the time because 546 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: I get asked the question all the time too about intuition, 547 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like because we're not really you know, 548 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: we're not taught to stop how you feeling, you know, 549 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: to really like sit in the moment. We kind of 550 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: talk that it's like it's just very fast paced. Life 551 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: is just very fast paced. And so the way I 552 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: find that helps me with my intuition is just literally 553 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: sitting back and having some reflecting time and like you said, 554 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: like getting curious and being like, hmm, that's so interesting 555 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: that I got that feeling when you know, this person 556 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: said this or et cetera, et cetera, and yeah, really 557 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: sitting in that rather than I guess ignoring it. And 558 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: I guess that's where that component of awareness is just 559 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: the whole big theme of the episode. 560 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I think the other thing is that 561 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: we always acknowledge our intuition when we had the knowing 562 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: and we ignored it because we usually go, oh, told 563 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: me this, and I ignored it. It's not often that 564 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 2: we celebrate the success of our intuition. So when you 565 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: do get something right, like when you intuitively know and 566 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: it turns out to be the case, like really acknowledging 567 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: that within yourself and saying, Okay, did I know that? 568 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: What did I feel? And what were the indicators in 569 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: that moment? Because I think a lot of us sort 570 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: of brush past that, and I think once you again 571 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: can get really curious about it, become more self aware, 572 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: easier to trust it the next time. 573 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: I love that so celebrating when we've trusted our intuition, 574 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: even like, you know, the small little things. That's great. 575 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: The last thing I really wanted to chattoo about, which 576 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: I just found so interesting in the book is communication styles. 577 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: So obviously, you know, you go very deep in the book, 578 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: but I just thought it was so interesting that, you know, 579 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: we're learning about ourselves and we're really exploring ourselves and 580 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: how we you know, communicate as such a big part 581 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: of that. Could you kind of explain the different communication 582 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: styles and why it's important to know this? 583 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's so many different sort of types 584 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 2: and styles of communication. I think our communication style can 585 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 2: be in flux depending on what kind of mood we're in. 586 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: And I'll go through the stuff communication in a minute, 587 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: but our communication tie is a little bit more intrinsic 588 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: to who we are, and we usually fall into either 589 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: one of the four categories, or I don't know, I'm 590 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 2: a combination of a few of them. Let me tell 591 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 2: you what they are and you can tell me what 592 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: you think. So the first one is sort of like 593 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 2: an really analytical communicator, so they're kind of like facts 594 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: and data driven. They're sort of just looking at what's 595 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: laid out in front of them and using that to 596 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: communicate how they're thinking or feeling or you know, whatever 597 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: the next move might be. Then you've got your intuitive communicator, 598 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: so that's sort of very feeling, sort of sense based. 599 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: They like to look at the bigger picture. They use 600 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 2: their imagination a lot. They're pretty good at like reading 601 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 2: the room and like, like we were just talking about, 602 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 2: with intuition, like sort of tapping into their inner knowing 603 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: of how they need to sort of move through through 604 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: whatever is they're trying to get across. Then we've got 605 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: our practical communicators, which I think that I am a 606 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: practical communicator. Again, very fact spased, very tangible. Everything is 607 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: very sort of applicable. Yeah, so being an example or 608 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 2: they're trying to explain something to you, they'll give it 609 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: like a real world example. And then the last kind 610 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 2: of communication type is the amiable communication type. So again 611 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 2: they're very similar to the intuitive in that they're very 612 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: feelings based. It's very sort of emotional, personal and connection driven. 613 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 2: So if you think about like in your every day 614 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: to day life, you're probably naturally be attracted to certain 615 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: communication styles because they're similar to yours. But if you 616 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 2: think about a work environment, when you're in like an 617 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: office with lots of different types of communicators, it's really 618 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 2: making allowance for the different types. So if you're an 619 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: intuitive community, those analytical communicators are probably really going to 620 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: piss you off because you're like, yeah, but what does 621 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: it feel like? And they're sort of like really looking 622 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 2: at the minutia of what's going on. So I think 623 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: what's so great about self awareness is that, yes, we 624 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: understand ourselves better, but the flip side of that is 625 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 2: that we also understand others better. And when it comes 626 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: to communication, which is usually a two way thing, two 627 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: or more way thing, we can really sort of understand 628 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 2: what that other person is trying to say to us. 629 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: The styles that you were sort of referring to before, 630 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 2: I think everyone will sort of be quite familiar with 631 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: them in different respects, usually if they're coming from the 632 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: other person, but they are passive aggressive, passive aggressive, and assertive, 633 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: and so like the passive communicator, and I think we've 634 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 2: all been here at one stage, is where you just 635 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: sort of go along with what is saying, what everyone 636 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 2: else is saying. You don't really sort of assert your 637 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,479 Speaker 2: own opinion or direction. It's just sort of being very 638 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 2: passive in the way that you're communicating. Aggressive is the 639 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 2: opposite of that, so like really sort of forward and 640 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 2: driven and taking control of where the conversation is going. 641 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: Passive aggressive. We've all probably had some times where we're 642 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: in a passive aggressive communication, but that's when somebody is 643 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 2: coming across as passive but in a very aggressive way, 644 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: which can be very frustrating as the receiver of it. 645 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: But I know that there have been times in my 646 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: life where I have been passive aggressive in my communication 647 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 2: styles and like really sort of understanding that about myself 648 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 2: so I can change it. And the last one is 649 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 2: that assertive style, and that's kind of where we want 650 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 2: to end up. It's being very clear with what it 651 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 2: is you're trying to say, being concise with the way 652 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 2: that you're communicating being direct, but also being quite soft 653 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: and gentle and understanding. 654 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: And so why do you think it's important and to 655 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: understand these communications styles and types. 656 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: I think, Look, many of us are interacting, most of 657 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,959 Speaker 2: us are interacting with people in so many different capacities 658 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 2: all of the time. So, like I said before, it's 659 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: really important to understand other people when we're trying to 660 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: absorb and also give out information. But it's really important 661 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: to understand how you communicate within yourself because how you 662 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: communicate is how you're showing up in the world. Yeah, 663 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 2: and it's not just happening at work. It's not just 664 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 2: happening you know, in conversations that you're having, you know, 665 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 2: with people in your day to day life. But like 666 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: if you think of like you were talking before with 667 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 2: the love languages, like the intimacy of relationships, you really 668 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: want to be communicating in a way that is not 669 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 2: necessarily the same as your partner, but so that you 670 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 2: guys can understand each other and what you feel and 671 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 2: what you think can be adequately communicated to them and 672 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: again adequately communicated back to you. So, you know, I 673 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 2: think there are so many ways that are really easy, 674 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: whether you think you're a good communicator or not, to 675 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: become better at communicating. And they're things like being a 676 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 2: good listener. Like I think a lot of the time 677 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 2: when we're communicating, we're so kind of concentrating on getting 678 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: our point across we forget to just sort of pause 679 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: and listen. It's a huge part of good communication. Authenticity 680 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 2: like really showing up as yourself within the communication process, curious, 681 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: getting curious, like I've said so many times, but getting 682 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 2: curious about what it is they're trying to communicate to 683 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: you and what you're trying to communicate to them, Being 684 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 2: clear and concise. Thinking also about like your nonverbal communication. 685 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 2: There is so much to communication that's outside of the 686 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 2: words you speak, Like what is your body language, what 687 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 2: is your eye content? You know, what direction are you 688 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 2: facing your body empathy, understanding, slowing down when you're communicating 689 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 2: is really important, like when you were talking about with intuition, 690 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 2: like really slowing down, thinking about what it is that 691 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 2: you want to say before you say it, yeah, and 692 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: really feeling connected to your words. And the other thing 693 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 2: I say to you when it comes to communication is 694 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 2: don't be afraid of silence and pauses. I think we 695 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 2: try and fill gaps a lot, but it's okay to 696 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 2: sit in the resonance of what has just been said. 697 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: Oh that's like me to a tea is like trying 698 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: to feel zion silence. It's so bad, but I like, 699 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: I'm aware of it, so that that's good so I 700 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: can work on it. But something that you said that 701 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 1: just like popped out to me then was you said, 702 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: how you communicate is how you show up in this world. 703 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: And I think those are such beautiful words, and I think, 704 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: you know, if we're getting to the crux of this, 705 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: this whole episode is about, you know, exploring yourself and 706 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: really getting to know yourself so you can show up 707 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: in the world that feels so aligned and so your 708 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: authentic self, because then from that position is you know 709 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: where all the magic happens. And I think that's really 710 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, we can all reflect and like you said, 711 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: like where am I showing up really passive? And maybe 712 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: why why am I passive around this person or in 713 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: this environment, and you know, exploring that and like you said, 714 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: getting really curious. Something also that I love that you 715 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: touched on is you know, the end goal is to 716 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: be assertive, and I love that you are saying the 717 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: end goal is to be assertive, because I often have 718 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: been told in my life that I'm very assertive, but 719 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: to me it has almost you know, they're saying it 720 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: in a negative way. Oh, she's very assertive, And I 721 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: just love that you're like, No, the end goal is 722 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: to be assertive because if we're all very clear on 723 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: who we are and what we want and what we're 724 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: trying to you know, communicate, we're all going to understand 725 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: each other and we're all going to, you know, feel 726 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: really seen. And I feel like, not at all times 727 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm assertive, but I definitely, you know, try to be. 728 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of of the listeners 729 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: of the r n C FEM would probably be listening 730 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: and being like, Okay, I'm kind of a people pleaser, 731 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: which you know we all can be. How can I 732 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: get to the end goal of being assertive? Do you 733 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: have any tips for that? 734 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the first thing, and I resonate with 735 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: everything you just said, is realizing that being assertive and 736 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 2: being aggressive are two completely different things, and I think 737 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 2: a lot of the time they kind of get into 738 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 2: meshed into one another, especially with women. I think that 739 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: it's okay to be assertive as a man, nobody thinks 740 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with that. But as a when we're 741 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 2: being assertive, we're being difficult, where being a bitch, where 742 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 2: being you know, all the things that we shouldn't be 743 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 2: as a lady. So I think the first thing is 744 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 2: recognizing that they're two completely different things. Assertiveness really is 745 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 2: about what you said before. It's directing your energy in 746 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 2: the way that you want it to be directed. It's 747 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 2: having clear boundaries and also having an awareness of other 748 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 2: people's boundaries. I think is really important as well. And 749 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 2: one of the tools that I've found really helpful when 750 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 2: it comes to being assertive is the use of the 751 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 2: word no and realizing that saying no isn't an act 752 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 2: of defiance. It's simply one of two options to a 753 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 2: yes or no question. So I talk about in the 754 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 2: book two ways to say no. First is a hard no, 755 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 2: and the second is no thank you, And a hard 756 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 2: no probably sounds than it is all A hard no 757 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 2: is is when you don't want to do something when 758 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 2: your answer is no. Is saying no assertively the first time, 759 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: Because what we do a lot of the time is 760 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 2: we start with a really soft note, which is like, oh, 761 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, let me think about it. I'm 762 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 2: not really sure. 763 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: Go check my calendar. 764 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like just spart with a hard no, 765 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 2: because otherwise it's going to be a much longer exercise. 766 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 2: You know, that's going to get all fuzzy and weird 767 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: and ugh. And the second thing is no thank you, because, 768 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 2: like I said before, you have been offered an option 769 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 2: of yes or no, and you're deciding to go with no. 770 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 2: And by saying no, thank you, it doesn't have to 771 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,280 Speaker 2: be harsh. It doesn't have to be cold, it doesn't 772 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 2: have to be aggressive, it's just no, thank you. And 773 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 2: I give a few examples in the book of different 774 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 2: ways that you can actually say no without being apologetic 775 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 2: about it, because we don't have to give an excuse, 776 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 2: we don't have to apologize, but saying things like no, 777 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 2: but thank you for asking, or not now maybe next time. 778 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 2: I can't say yes at this point, but let me 779 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 2: get back to you. Thank you for thinking of me, 780 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 2: but I'll have to pass. Thank you for asking, but 781 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 2: I just don't have the energetic capacity at this time. 782 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 2: So there's lots of way to be able to assert yourself, 783 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 2: respect your own boundaries without it coming across in a 784 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 2: negative manner. 785 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: Something I tend to do is when I'm saying I'm 786 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 1: quite good at saying no, but I follow it up 787 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: with excuses or reasons like I really have to explain myself, 788 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: so I think, and I think it's like the underlying 789 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: reason why I do that, to be very transparent is 790 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt them fit their feelings. I 791 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: want them to still, you know, like me or think 792 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm a good person. So you know, I say no, 793 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: but because of this, and because of this, and I, 794 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, will really go into explaining myself. And I 795 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: always think, why do I do this? 796 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 2: Do it? Like you said, because we're all people pleasers 797 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 2: and we want to make you feel comfortable. And of 798 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 2: course it's not about making them feel uncomfortable or not 799 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 2: taking their needs into consideration. But I think a lot 800 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 2: of the time we unnecessarily have to over explain our 801 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 2: own right to be able to say. 802 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: No, our own boundaries. Yeah, geordanad this has just been 803 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: such a beautiful podcast. I just could talk to you 804 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: all day very much, feel like we're the same person. 805 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: But I'm going to finish it our pr I just 806 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: loved that conversation about communicators and you know, really learning 807 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: about ourselves. I think it is so important. Obviously the 808 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: audience can go and check out the book Make You Happen, 809 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: and of course your other beautiful books if they haven't. 810 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: But do you have any you know, last tips or 811 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: anything that you want to end the episode on. 812 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, self awareness really is the 813 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 2: crux of all personal development work. So whatever book you're 814 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 2: reading about personal development or self help, it's always going 815 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 2: to come back to self awareness. If it doesn't, it's 816 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 2: probably not real self help because you're not putting yourself 817 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 2: at the center of it. Right. If they're trying to 818 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 2: sell you some finnally, they're kind of missing the point. 819 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 2: So starting with a really acute self awareness practice, which 820 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 2: like I said before, will shift and change as you 821 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 2: move through life. It's a constant curiosity, but it's really 822 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 2: setting the foundation for a really beautiful, vibrational and manifest 823 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 2: driven life. 824 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: So so important. Thank you so much Forrdana. Where can 825 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: everyone find you and your beautiful books? 826 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 2: Ah? Thank you. My website is Jordana Levine dot com. 827 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 2: My Instagram is at Jordana Levine and they're the best 828 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 2: places to find me. Books available everywhere, so online is amazing. 829 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. It 830 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: has been such pleasure. 831 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I always 832 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 2: love to thank you so. 833 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: Much for listening to another episode of the Rise and 834 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,919 Speaker 1: Conquer podcast. 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