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Speaker 1: Oh, gambling, big problem. Sean Macrloff's going for broke. It's

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Speaker 1: premiering tomorrow night, eight pm on ABC TV.

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Speaker 2: You can string the whole series.

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Speaker 1: And I have you gambling and how bad it is? Well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to find out. We've got Sean macrloff on

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Speaker 1: air right now. Hello, he was on air.

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Speaker 3: I dropped out, Sean, Hello, am I here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what you did, but that's oh.

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Speaker 4: I thought you.

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Speaker 2: I thought you sort of.

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Speaker 4: I thought you dumped me. I said something, you said

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Speaker 4: gambling possible. You said the G word. Well, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to say, can I correct you?

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Speaker 5: It's I'm not assuming that gambling is bad. Carrying in

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Speaker 5: with an open mind on this series. I've got three

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Speaker 5: episodes to phil. I can't come in here with an agenda.

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Speaker 3: You can't peak on day one. No, Sean, I just

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Speaker 3: wanted to say hi, because do you remember we did

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Speaker 3: an episode of Thank God You're here together?

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Speaker 5: I do, indeed, and it was that's that's that's over

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Speaker 5: teen years ago. And I'm surprised that I am surprised

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Speaker 5: both of us.

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Speaker 2: Remember, I know.

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Speaker 5: Transit, it's so transactional that the world of television.

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Speaker 4: I know, I'm surprised. Yeah, anyway, nice to see you too.

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Speaker 3: I know that was so much fun that show.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't been much funnier if you said no, I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 4: Who I know.

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Speaker 3: Imagine who are you play?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember Josh Thomas.

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Speaker 4: I actually ran into him recently and he's grown up.

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Speaker 4: It was a child was look at him now, he's

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Speaker 4: like fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Sure going for broke that you you're going into dangerous

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Speaker 3: territory here, right, because I love this. I love that

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Speaker 3: you're unpacking it and you're really doing something that really

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Speaker 3: only the ABC could do because everybody else is on

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Speaker 3: the pay roll.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, Look I think I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: And look that's the nature of it.

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Speaker 5: I mean everyone's got a vested interest, a lot of

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Speaker 5: corporate Australia and government as well.

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Speaker 2: And maybe you're right.

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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe the ABC is the only broadcast is stupid

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Speaker 5: enough to actually, you know, bite the hand that potentially

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Speaker 5: could have fed it.

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Speaker 2: Now it's Sean.

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Speaker 1: I know you said you're going to keep an open mind,

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Speaker 1: but I'm guessing a lot of bad things come out.

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Speaker 1: But what about you personally? Have you ever gambled yourself

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Speaker 1: or are you a non gambler.

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Speaker 5: Without making a decision about it. I am somebody who

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Speaker 5: doesn't gamble. I did it once when I was about

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Speaker 5: twenty two and with my with my now wife, and

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Speaker 5: we were just going out boyfriend and girlfriend didn't have

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Speaker 5: any money, and somebody said to us, oh, would you

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Speaker 5: like to come and see Starlight Express.

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Speaker 2: Of course you know the answer is no.

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Speaker 5: But we ended up going and we had to pay

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Speaker 5: for the tickets about one hundred and twenty bucks, so

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Speaker 5: we did, which we didn't have. So we I took

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Speaker 5: twenty dollars into the casino and bed on roulette and

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Speaker 5: if I said, look, if we make if we get

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Speaker 5: the money, if we get the enough money to buy

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Speaker 5: the tickets, we'll walk out. And we did and that

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Speaker 5: was it. And that's the last time I've done it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the only person in the history of gambling to

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Speaker 1: walk away his winter stop. Well don't till like sports

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Speaker 1: bet and stuff, right, it's huge. Everyone's all on the

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Speaker 1: gambling apps like Alfie, the growth thank you you yeah,

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Speaker 1: constantly on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what have you found?

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Speaker 1: The technology is a problem in the series.

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Speaker 4: Well, we did examine that.

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Speaker 5: I mean I was very conscious of that being around

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Speaker 5: because I've got three sons and they're in their twenties.

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Speaker 2: And that's how I came across.

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Speaker 5: I thought, oh, well, I have really not not that

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Speaker 5: they were asking my advice, but I really had no

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Speaker 5: advice for them. If they did, if they treated me

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Speaker 5: like a real father and said, what do we do?

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Speaker 2: Dad, you know you're a very wise man.

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Speaker 5: And it's a bit like I did one on I

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Speaker 5: did one on an alcohol a long time ago, and

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Speaker 5: I don't drink, so I'd had no advice for them.

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Speaker 2: Then when they're in their teens, so.

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Speaker 5: You know what I do is I go and make

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Speaker 5: a documentary and they say you watch this, Then I

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Speaker 5: don't have to I don't have to perform any fatherly doies. Well,

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Speaker 5: I reckon the Pokey's right, you must look at Pokey's.

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Speaker 4: God, people love the Pokeys.

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Speaker 5: And in New South Wales, I always see this stat

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Speaker 5: that New South Wales has more Pokeys per person than anywhere.

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Speaker 4: Else in the world except for Las Vegas. Except I

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Speaker 4: think they're catching up. I think they're catching up with them. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's that.

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Speaker 5: We cover that in the first episode, because that is

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Speaker 5: the first place people think of, and it might even

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Speaker 5: be the first place people are introduced to gambling, you know,

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Speaker 5: in their lives. And yeah, so we went and spent

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Speaker 5: a bit of time. There was an RSL that very

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Speaker 5: kindly opens its doors for us. You know, a lot

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Speaker 5: of suspicion around anything to do with the ABC. They're

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Speaker 5: fair enough. So I spent a day with Maureen who

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Speaker 5: goes there quite regularly, and she was telling me how

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Speaker 5: it works and having a.

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Speaker 4: Chat to her. So so this is the nature of

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 5: We go, I go into their world and spend some

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Speaker 5: time with people who are enjoying it or not enjoying it,

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Speaker 5: and we try and get a level view of the

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Speaker 5: whole thing.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because we're so quick to judge, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: you I'm blowing your money on the Pokeys. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've all got our little dirty habits, right, Like I

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Speaker 3: have ADHD and I need my dopamine hit, and I'll

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Speaker 3: admit that I've got lots of addictions. But you know,

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Speaker 3: when it's money and it's gambling, you see those signs

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Speaker 3: on the back of toilets, and it's really sad because

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Speaker 3: like Mum or Dad is some times gambling the rent.

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Speaker 3: They're gambling and that's heartbreaking. Families split up because of this.

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of it's an important thing to unpack shorn.

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Speaker 5: It is, and it's and it's it's able to be

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Speaker 5: kept more of a secret than most other addictions. That

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Speaker 5: was the thing we did discover, was that that the

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Speaker 5: apps you mentioned the fact we've got that little that

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Speaker 5: little rectangle in our pocket and it's there most of

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Speaker 5: the time.

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Speaker 2: If it's not in our pocket, it's in our hand,

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Speaker 2: and that's usually where it lives.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, look, just a moment alone, We'll enable

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Speaker 5: you to bet on a horse race in Abu Dhabi,

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Speaker 5: whereas in the old days you actually have to get

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Speaker 5: on a bus and go to the race course.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you can better be go to the

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Speaker 1: tab I mean, we were talking about the fact that

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Speaker 1: you could bet on the next James Bond before Hey, Sean,

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Speaker 1: before we let you go. Was there anything good you

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Speaker 1: found out about gambling?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Look, you know, I spent a whole afternoon in a

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Speaker 5: bingo hole with a lady, with a lady who's like

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Speaker 5: one hundred and four, and we had a great time.

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Speaker 5: So I can see, I can see how it can work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can bingo bringing people together.

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Speaker 4: Not real gambling, is that?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Sean Micrlof's gone from Broken premiers tomorrow night at eight

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Speaker 1: on ABC Sean. You can stream the whole thing on

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Speaker 1: ABC iView. Good on your mate, Thanks a lot,