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Speaker 1: Now joining us in the studio a little later than usual,

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Speaker 1: the acting Assistant Commissioner for the Greater Darwin Region, Peter Maley,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now. I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you firstly overnight or this morning, the early

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Speaker 1: hours of this morning, police calling for info after an

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Speaker 1: aggravated assault o curt In, Palmerston in the early hours

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Speaker 1: of this morning, a female assaulted with an edged weapon

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Speaker 1: by another female.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, Katie. We've got a call just after one

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Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning and a female was found with

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Speaker 2: an injury to her face a slash wound from an

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Speaker 2: edge weapon and the assailant was a female unknown to her.

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Speaker 2: So she was taken to the hospital in a stable condition.

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Speaker 2: But at this stage the investigations are ongoing, but.

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Speaker 1: Very early, okay. So if anyone's got an info though,

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Speaker 1: they can get in contact.

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Speaker 2: With the police Absolute one, Triple four.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I do want to ask you about this situation

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Speaker 1: that I think broke the hearts of the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. We know that four four year old child,

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Speaker 1: the little girl, died in Tewee on Saturday afternoon. Police

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Speaker 1: received a call about one fifty five in the afternoon

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Speaker 1: that the four year old was struck by a falling

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Speaker 1: in the yard.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Cadie and devastating for everybody. Horrible accident and yeah,

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Speaker 2: the tree fell on the four year old and her

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Speaker 2: eleven year old brother, and unfortunately the little girl died

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Speaker 2: as a result of the tree and the eleven year

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Speaker 2: old brother had some injuries but not life threatening. An

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Speaker 2: absolute tragedy for everybody.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's utterly heartbreaking, Peter. What's the process now

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Speaker 1: in terms of you know, what happens next? Because I

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Speaker 1: understand that the incidents, you know, as you said, it's

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Speaker 1: a terrible tragedy, it's an accident. You know, what is

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Speaker 1: the process? Does an investigation remain ongoing or what happens?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Catie so place, I'll attend the soone and we

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Speaker 2: looking to all aspects of the situation, what occurred, We

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Speaker 2: speak to everybody involved, and then basically after that we

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Speaker 2: put together a file for the coroner. So that's basically

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Speaker 2: the combination of the investigation.

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Speaker 1: But from the initial investigations, it does seem that that

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Speaker 1: tree's like it's just it's fallen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a horrible accident case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to ask you about the situation with

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Speaker 1: our watch houses now, this is something that we've spoken

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Speaker 1: about quite a bit. We caught up with the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police Association last week. They'd raise serious concerns about

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Speaker 1: the Palmerston Watchhouse, saying it's overflowing with police and correctional

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Speaker 1: prisoners and at times there could be three officers left

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Speaker 1: to manage around one hundred prisoners. Nathan Finn reckons he

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Speaker 1: fears that there could soon be a death in custody

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Speaker 1: if the situation isn't addressed. I mean the obvious question

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Speaker 1: is why are the police having to deal with this.

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Speaker 1: I know we spoke to corrections earlier this morning and

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Speaker 1: they said they are, you know, absolutely packed as well.

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Speaker 1: They've got a number of different measures that are going

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Speaker 1: those issues. But how difficult is this situation for the

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Speaker 2: Quite difficult. Cody so in terms of numbers, because that's

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Speaker 2: what it is, it's a numbers game. So last Thursday

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Speaker 2: Friday the numbers were just over one hundred hundred and

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Speaker 2: one hundred and two, and Corrections took some prisoners. On

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Speaker 2: Monday we had ninety seven, and then this morning we

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Speaker 2: had sixty seven. So we had fifty one of their

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Speaker 2: court this morning. So anecdotally, probably two thirds of those return.

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Speaker 2: But they Corrections are doing everything they can to try

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Speaker 2: really well. But in terms of the numbers, yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: really hard, really hard for police, we're not prison officers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's the ratio then, in terms of police

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Speaker 2: Look, we've gone to a twelve hour roster that I

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Speaker 2: so I suggest that it's probably about one in nine,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it dangerous?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's Look, it probably is. It's a volatile situation

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Speaker 2: two lots of cells. So look, it's not ideal, but

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Speaker 2: that's what we have at the moment. So but I

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Speaker 2: you know, they really quality people and they're doing a

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Speaker 2: great job to the best of their ability in very

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Speaker 2: trying circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it is. It's tough going

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Speaker 1: for them. The Police Association had also told us on

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Speaker 1: the show that police resources are being tied up taking

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Speaker 1: that's a fairly regular thing that happens. I mean, is

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Speaker 1: it normal practice to be taking that many people to court?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Coatie. So Monday week ago there was

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Speaker 2: fifty two went to court. And so if you're talking

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Speaker 2: is an impost, but in terms of who does the conveyances,

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Speaker 2: we use auxiliaries from the watchhouse and only as a

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Speaker 2: last resort have we ever used a response van. It

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Speaker 2: has happened in the past, right, but it has not

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we're not using like using exillar ease, You're

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Speaker 2: The street, correct, Katie. So yes, we use everybody. And

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Speaker 2: when I was superintendent at Parmesan, I'd get inn a

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Speaker 2: it so that the response vans the absolute last resort.

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Speaker 2: Hasn't happened recently. But yes it has happened, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean to those out there listening this morning. I know,

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Speaker 1: this morning, they may be thinking to themselves, do you

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Speaker 1: know what, wil Bee, I actually don't care whether it's

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Speaker 1: You know, taking that away for a moment, a lot

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Speaker 2: No, that hasn't happened, Katie. I can assure all your

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Speaker 2: And you know, if we get to the situation they're

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Speaker 1: How long do you anticipate or do you know how

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Speaker 1: long the police are going to be having to manage

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Speaker 2: It's been going on for a little while now. We

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Speaker 2: in talking to my counterparting Corrections early August, there's one

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping will decant the whole of the Parmeston Watchhouse

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Speaker 2: but we know the machine that is policing and the

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, I guess while there's people committing crimes,

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Speaker 1: we spoke to the Deputy Commissioner about earlier this morning

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Speaker 1: as well, Peter, I mean Moore generally as the acting

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Speaker 1: how are things going, you know, out on the streets.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's been a big push really to not

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Speaker 1: as well, we generally do see you know, an influx

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, Katie, So we expect the influx, certainly

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Speaker 2: But we're doing a big crime prevention piece at the

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Speaker 2: the taking the drunks off the streets. Yeah, yep, and

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the electric bikes getting around yets.

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Speaker 2: They're fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen those. So they're just little electric

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're really good. So we can get into

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Speaker 1: Hey, do you anticipate that this weekend is going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I do want to just ask you before

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Speaker 2: Absolutely codie against the most vulnerable in our community. The

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Speaker 2: great thing is that he's been locked up and I

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Speaker 2: note that a been a month later we got him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the initial victim.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's always it's always a concern that somebody

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Speaker 2: with the propensity to commit these type of offenses are

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Speaker 2: at large in the community. And I suppose at the

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Speaker 2: scene we didn't have anything at the time that readily

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Speaker 2: identified him. We thought we knew who he was, and

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Speaker 2: we knew that the child was safe at that stage,

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Speaker 2: so chances of repeat offending against the victim weren't going

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Speaker 2: to be possible, but we needed that forensic confirmation of

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Speaker 2: the identity before we actually went forward and arrested him.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess, Peter, some of the people listening this

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Speaker 1: morning might be thinking to themselves, you know, like, why

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Speaker 1: wasn't there a warning I suppose to other families and

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Speaker 1: other parents that we had this alleged, you know, disgraceful

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Speaker 1: human on the loose.

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Speaker 2: For sure, Katie, it's certainly my information from the time

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Speaker 2: from the sex crimes was that we believe that they

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Speaker 2: were known. It wasn't a stranger type relationship, so and

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Speaker 2: that's why we had a suspect in the early stages.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, Peter, we will leave it there for this morning.

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Speaker 1: It is good to speak with you this morning. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time, Assistant Commissioner. For the acting Assistant Commissioner,

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Speaker 1: I should say, for the Greater Darwin Regent Peter Malley,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Katie