WEBVTT - #9 - Phil Handy

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Legends, Welcome back to the Mason Cock Show. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you're having a great week, because this week's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. We're gonna double the content for you because

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<v Speaker 1>there's something unique happening in sports. Happens once a year

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a big deal, and it's the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA season.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We started to bring in someone with a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge than us and someone who's got a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a say, finger on the pulse, maybe even a hand

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<v Speaker 1>on the pulse. His name is Phil Handy. Now he's

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<v Speaker 1>an assistant coach for the Los Angeles Lakers, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest teams in the world. He's coached people from

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<v Speaker 1>Kobe Bryant to Lebron James to Anthony Davis, all these

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<v Speaker 1>household names, and we go through a kind of basketball

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<v Speaker 1>and how much the NBA has changed since he played

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day to where it is now, and

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<v Speaker 1>how it's changing the whole landscape of going into the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with some of the guys who've made it in

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA, from Josh Giddy to Patty Mills and Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Simmons and everyone else you could possibly imagine. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great chat. He's a great, great, great mentor for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of high profile athletes and he's done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for them over the years. So there's some absolute gens

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<v Speaker 1>in the one in this one, and we're really excited

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<v Speaker 1>for you to listen to it. So without further ado,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go. I'll go through a bit of his

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<v Speaker 1>his resume. He played for the Hawaii Rainbow Warriors, play

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<v Speaker 1>for the Omaha Racers, the Nancy Baskets, the Mackers, Bobcats, Giants, Tigers, Razorbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he coaches coached the Cavaliers, Raptors and now

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<v Speaker 1>as a coach for the Lakers. He's been around that,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been around town, he's been around the world, to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, and now he's one of the most well

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<v Speaker 1>respected assistant coaches in the NBA and coaching people like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Lebron James. So we'll say a massive thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for coming on, Phil, Phil Handy. I haven't actually

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<v Speaker 1>said your full name, but massive thank you mine. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute honor.

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<v Speaker 2>To have you.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. Man Mays is a pleasure to be here in

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<v Speaker 3>the mobile I don't know what the mobile mobile cat

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<v Speaker 3>rolling band.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all love, man. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Having no no worries man, and you actually played here

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<v Speaker 1>in melbourn so you played for the Melbourne Tigers. Give

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<v Speaker 1>people a bit of a background of your connection to Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>You played with Andrew Gayes. He's a big deal here

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<v Speaker 1>in Melbourne and everyone loves them. Now my question you

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<v Speaker 1>would you get him one on one?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, man, when I when I first got

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<v Speaker 3>here to Melbourne, I think Drew he was with the

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<v Speaker 3>he was with the national team, so they were playing

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<v Speaker 3>matter of fact, Team USA and they were preparing for

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<v Speaker 3>the Olympics. Yeah, he came back super late. So fortunately

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<v Speaker 3>for my man, Drewy, we didn't get to have that

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<v Speaker 3>one on one. But I tell you who I did

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<v Speaker 3>play Copes. Yeah, he used to knock his head everything,

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<v Speaker 3>no chance, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Chan And I know coaches go see this too. It

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<v Speaker 2>come back, what it talks to. You gonna want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk some talk a little ish, you know, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, well I'll jump straight into it. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about I guess the NBA and how much it's

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<v Speaker 1>changed since you played. Like the NBA obviously now now

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<v Speaker 1>is a massive pathway for people to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA and something that they're going around the n CB

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<v Speaker 1>A system and coming out here to actually play, and

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<v Speaker 1>you got guys like LaMelo Ball obviously or j Hampton,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys have come over and played. What's your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on how much it's changed and how it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>really changed the whole game of the avenue and the NBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, I think the Rising Stars program they put

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<v Speaker 3>in is a phenomenal thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's the track record of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, even the kid Josh Getty, you know he

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<v Speaker 3>kind of went to even though he's Australian grown, going

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<v Speaker 3>through that program and for him to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>take that next step.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a program. Man. I think for young athletes.

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<v Speaker 3>If they don't want to play in college, they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to play in the G league. You know, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a great avenue. And I say it because the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian League a couple of things English speaking country. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the weather is obviously great. You know you come down

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<v Speaker 3>in the summertime with the league. The basketball league itself

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<v Speaker 3>is an incredible league. The talent is top notch, the

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<v Speaker 3>coaching is top notch, and so for these young athletes,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a great almost in some ways, man, a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit tougher in college, a lot tougher to coverge

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<v Speaker 3>because you're playing with grown men that have professional experience

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<v Speaker 3>and you're going to get a chance to get coaching

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<v Speaker 3>in a professional environment. So I'm a big fan of the

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<v Speaker 3>Rising Stars program and what the NBO is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty amazing. Like I'll play college ball to Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>State back in the day with you like Marcus Smart

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's funny because there was never even a

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<v Speaker 1>thought of this kind of being a thing, right and

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<v Speaker 1>now in the last like four years, it's really just

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<v Speaker 1>taken off. People don't understand this in Australia. Ru you

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<v Speaker 1>you've played, you work in the NBA. The NBA has

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<v Speaker 1>got some cash, some proper cash. And I try to

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<v Speaker 1>describe this to people in the AFL world that in

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<v Speaker 1>cuble are they're amazed that there's chartered flights for in

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<v Speaker 1>cuble a like and you laugh at that. I laugh

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<v Speaker 1>at that too, because I'm like, yo, there is more money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like, that's amateur, that's not even like professional yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's this first. Where's the weirdest place the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>has ever taken you in the world, most unique experience

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<v Speaker 1>in the world have gone on the hell of that

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<v Speaker 1>land here.

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<v Speaker 3>My first well, my first year with the Cavaliers, not

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<v Speaker 3>my second year with the Cavaliers. We went to Rio

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<v Speaker 3>dejan Narrow. I mean, it's not the weirdest place, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as a preseason game, we went to Rio

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<v Speaker 3>Desonnaro to kind of honor Andy Verjial and play a

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<v Speaker 3>home game, play a game in front.

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<v Speaker 2>Of his fans.

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<v Speaker 3>It was pretty dope. It was a dope experience. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember who we went with.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it might have been in.

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<v Speaker 3>Portland Trailblazers, I believe, but the experience was was pretty dope,

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<v Speaker 3>just to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy go back because because you know, and taking his

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<v Speaker 2>pro team.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it was absolute bananas man to support that

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<v Speaker 3>the people showed for him.

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<v Speaker 1>When we got back to real Yeah, well MANU, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine some of the stories they've probably

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<v Speaker 1>come out of here. Seriously, I could go for hours

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<v Speaker 1>and just dive into some crazy ship.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just like yourself, maze, you know how it is, man,

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<v Speaker 4>You get into these things, you go you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>look around at some point and go, what the hell

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<v Speaker 4>am I in Melbourne the back of the vand.

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<v Speaker 2>I said a basketball taking me to some some weird places.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's been some awesome experience. I'm sure, man, what's

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you're going to this? Because obviously as an

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<v Speaker 1>assistant coach, you are known to help shape people into

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<v Speaker 1>the humans that are not only on the on the

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<v Speaker 1>basketball court, but also off the court. What's some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best advice you've made given not you giving someone,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've been given that you've really passed on to

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<v Speaker 1>other people.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I think in this world of sports right we're

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<v Speaker 3>so we're we're polarized as public figures, coaches and athletes,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's so many avenues for people to have things

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<v Speaker 3>to say about you as a coach, as an athlete.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Coch gave me some vice men a long

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<v Speaker 3>time ago. Just don't be concerned about what people think

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<v Speaker 3>about you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if your.

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<v Speaker 3>Heart's in the right place, if you're if your intent

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<v Speaker 3>is in the right place, and what you're doing, you

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<v Speaker 3>love what you're doing, stay committed to it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've kind of always that's kind of stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a lot of great mentors.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>My father was a great mentor to me. Very hard

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<v Speaker 2>working man, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Just that part of just just being true to yourself

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<v Speaker 3>as a coach, as an athlete. I think the world

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<v Speaker 3>today is is so built around image. You know, so

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<v Speaker 3>much of an image of you know, what you should

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<v Speaker 3>be or who you should be. And I've just always

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<v Speaker 3>tried to try to remain myself as a coach, stay

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<v Speaker 3>in my lane and you know, do what I do best, man,

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<v Speaker 3>Just try to help players improve on the floor every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's interesting because I'll look at the IFL standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very team oriented and stuff in that sense, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you get to the NBA and there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>money that you know, one player can make a huge

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<v Speaker 1>difference to whether or not you can win a championship,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt, And you get to that point where you

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<v Speaker 1>have these necessarily egos. It is probably not the right words,

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<v Speaker 1>it's somewhat of a negative word, but you have these

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<v Speaker 1>people have such an or and such an impact that

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<v Speaker 1>they can have on a team, Like how do you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you get them to buy into this team

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere to help because there's no one person that's winning

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<v Speaker 1>a championship. How do you get them to buy into

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<v Speaker 1>a team idea and culture to help win a championship

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<v Speaker 1>you did in twenty twenty with the Lakers in covid

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<v Speaker 1>which is a wild bubble and scenario within itself, much

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<v Speaker 1>less to actually have to keep the team together in

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<v Speaker 1>a very isolating environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, Mace, you know how that goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>I think your best players are always your leaders. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and when your best player like you know as Lebron

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<v Speaker 3>Lebron Is is one of the most coachable guys I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever been around. And people have these myths about him, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the coach, he's the GM, he's the owner, he's

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<v Speaker 3>making all these decisions. But man, that dude's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most coachable guys I've ever been around, in the

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<v Speaker 3>sense of, all right, coach, what's the game plan, what

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<v Speaker 3>are we doing or how do we execute it? And

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<v Speaker 3>when your leaders like that, it kind of trickles down.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when we were in the bubble, you brought

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<v Speaker 3>out the bubble raison. Rondo, Man is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>purest basketball minds I've ever been around. And those guys

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have egos. They had a common goal of what

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<v Speaker 3>is it gonna take for us to win a championship?

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<v Speaker 3>And they were just they were all in line with

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<v Speaker 3>each other every day. And you know, it started with

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<v Speaker 3>our coaching staff. You know, Frank Vogel was a great

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<v Speaker 3>leader for us. It started with the coaching staff and

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<v Speaker 3>it trickled down to the players. But they held themselves accountable,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and any championship caliber team, it doesn't always

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<v Speaker 3>come from the coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, you know, your peers.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to be able to hold each other accountable,

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<v Speaker 3>right because there's gonna be times when you're on the field,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you're on the court, coaches can't get out

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<v Speaker 3>there and do it for you. And so I think

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<v Speaker 3>that part of just the ego. I think more ego

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<v Speaker 3>is more off the court, you know, and people's personal lives,

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<v Speaker 3>their persona, their brand and again I don't like to

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<v Speaker 3>use the word ego either, more of a brand thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're if you're a true competitor or true professional,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna put all that aside and put your job

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<v Speaker 3>first and say, well, what's the what's the main thing,

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<v Speaker 3>the main thing. Let's keep the main thing the main thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and how do we win a championship?

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<v Speaker 1>And so success part of things.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, And I've been been a part of some

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<v Speaker 3>great teams that have just had that kind of chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it that that brings that chemistry?

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<v Speaker 2>Reckon? Is there?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there kind of you have like a guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>the comedy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, you got everything. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>have to have personality and character. We were in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 3>The teams that we had in Cleveland, Richard Jefferson and

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<v Speaker 3>Channing Fry are like freaking frack them two dudes, man, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about comedy show all day long. And then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we had all these personalities.

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<v Speaker 2>You had j R. Smith, We had Emon.

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<v Speaker 3>Shumper, we had Kyrie Irvis, you had Lebron you had

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Love, we had Tristan Thompson. All of these dudes

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<v Speaker 3>are are different in their own way, but but you

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<v Speaker 3>got it. You have to have guys, right, And then

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<v Speaker 3>we had the James Jones, you know, and James. People

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<v Speaker 3>don't really know much about James and Kendrick Perkins. Those

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<v Speaker 3>guys were like locker room guys, you know. They were

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<v Speaker 3>they were the chiefs. They didn't really play.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were.

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<v Speaker 3>They were so respected as vets, you know, because they

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<v Speaker 3>showed up every day to do their job and they

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<v Speaker 3>were just keeping everybody in line, coaches, players, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>front office, medical staff, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just it was you.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to have those pieces, right, the comedian, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to have the guy that's always late.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to thing every It's like a family, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same as a family. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>You have all these different pieces and everybody just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of fits into their place.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's like we got one thing you different from me.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all trying to reach the same questions.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons you hear I'm Kobe gg and

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<v Speaker 1>the involvement with female basketball. Can you tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, I think you know, Cob was a big

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<v Speaker 3>inspiration for that. You know, always just been a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of basketball players in general. You know, I don't I

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<v Speaker 3>don't really look at females as female. They're athletes to me,

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<v Speaker 3>So when it comes to basketball, I'm just I'm coaching

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<v Speaker 3>another athlete. But but Cole was really stirring the pot,

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<v Speaker 3>you know with his daughter, right, really trying to push

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<v Speaker 3>the envelope and getting behind women's basketball and making it

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<v Speaker 3>more of a popular sport. From the standpoint of saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you got to respect these women and what

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing. You know, respect their craft, and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>it's been, you know, a torch that I've tried to

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<v Speaker 3>be a part of to help carry and to me, man,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just just another part of the game of basketball.

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<v Speaker 3>Women's basketball is growing so fast, you know, it's just rapid,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just think not only do women basketball, I

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<v Speaker 3>just think women's sports in general, right, there's more of

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<v Speaker 3>a spotlight on it of just respecting the female athlete

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<v Speaker 3>and what they do and so being able to work

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<v Speaker 3>with some of the female athletes I've worked with. Jewel

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<v Speaker 3>Lloyd is you know, probably closest to me. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>she was part of Kobe's families. He's part of Kyrie's family.

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<v Speaker 3>Just having a chance to be around some of these

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<v Speaker 3>elite athletes, man, it's amazing to watch them go through

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<v Speaker 3>their process and watch them, you know, treat their profession

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<v Speaker 3>just like just like just like anybody else. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the misconception is it's just it's women's sports because

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<v Speaker 3>they're not as athletic, you know, people think that the

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<v Speaker 3>game is not as pure. I'll tell you what, They're

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<v Speaker 3>just as skilled. Most times, they're more fundamentally sound. And

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<v Speaker 3>people don't even know this women's basketball is probably more physical.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say this with you know again in a point,

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<v Speaker 3>because people don't understand how physical.

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<v Speaker 2>Women's basketball is. Man, they're physical, physic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll play for the n c I women's team. I

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<v Speaker 1>helped out with them. Before those girls are backing me

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<v Speaker 1>down to the post. I was like, damn, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not this isn't bad. Look for me, look for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's good to see the growth. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just only going to continue. Matter of fact, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>me and Michelle my business. I was just just saw

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<v Speaker 1>a clip a young lady online. She was doing a

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<v Speaker 1>pick and roll drill mate. She came off the pick

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<v Speaker 1>and roll, pick and pop jab too drible. She's dunking

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<v Speaker 1>walk right to the rim. Nasty, Jesus nasty. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be so interesting to see what the next generations like. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be unfair because it's just so accessible to

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<v Speaker 1>like just making your game that much better. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I appreciate you, man, seriously, you got some good stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I would go for like two three hours, but I

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<v Speaker 1>know yourself to do. Man, you only and I'll Stralia

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<v Speaker 1>for so long. But I hope we catch up either

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<v Speaker 1>in LA or in Australia next time you're in town. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to say a massive thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on. I'm so good to chat to you and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really fun. Let's get it brothers up all right, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks sir all the best. Thanks so much for tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in Legends really appreciating Phil. What an amazing chat. He's

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<v Speaker 1>mentored some of the highest professional athletes in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a person who I think has so much

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<v Speaker 1>where we can learn from. And hopefully you've been able

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<v Speaker 1>to take out something from that chat, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll be able to do these shorts more often

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<v Speaker 1>if this goes well. Sorry, I just want to say

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has always like comments, share everything else, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you have an amazing day and hopefully the Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>can maybe go all the way this year, so enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the day. Hopefully you'll hear from us soon in the

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<v Speaker 1>next podcast, And thanks so much for listening.