Speaker 1: Good Day. This is Peter Hellia.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you Ain't Seen Nothing Yet The Movie Podcast,
Speaker 2: where I check to a movie lover about a classic
Speaker 2: or beloved movie they haven't quite got around to watching
Speaker 2: until now.
Speaker 1: And today's guests comedian Andy.
Speaker 3: Lee ever Dance with the Devil on the veil light.
Speaker 3: I'm walking here. I'm walking ahead.
Speaker 4: Of all the gin joints in all the towns in
Speaker 4: all the world.
Speaker 1: She walks in the mine. But what happen right now?
Speaker 5: You ain't seen nothing here.
Speaker 2: Today's guest, Andy Lee, is one half of Australia's most
Speaker 2: successful radio duos in the history of the wireless in
Speaker 2: this country. I know that sounds like hyperbole, but quite
Speaker 2: simply it's not.
Speaker 1: Hamish and Andy are undoubtedly the biggest.
Speaker 2: Radio act to have ever graced our airwaves, redefining what
Speaker 2: radio can mean and what it can do. As Australian
Speaker 2: listeners would know, radio is just one part of what
Speaker 2: the boys do. They branched out into television, initially with
Speaker 2: their appearances on Rogue Live, then Real Stories, their Caravan
Speaker 2: of Courage Adventures, Gap Year, and more recently Hami Shenandy's
Speaker 2: True Story, which is currently been remade for the US
Speaker 2: by the great Ed Helms, who, after producing the Anti
Speaker 2: Donna series for Netflix, is first becoming the rece Witherspoon
Speaker 2: for Australian TV comedy. I've known Andy for about a
Speaker 2: decade and a half. Quite early on in their careers,
Speaker 2: HAMI Shenandy asked me for some advice, just don't become cup.
Speaker 1: If I'd known them.
Speaker 2: A little longer back then, or even a little better,
Speaker 2: I would have known that that was never going to happen.
Speaker 2: And he has always been incredibly grounded, as friendly as
Speaker 2: they come, generous to a fault, wise fun funny and
Speaker 2: I'm bloody stoke to have him as my guest today.
Speaker 6: What an intro? Hey, Yeah, you know what, when you
Speaker 6: guys came in to do Rove Live Radio and Hamish
Speaker 6: and I were just starting out, we would time our
Speaker 6: hallway lingering. We would time our hallway lingering so we
Speaker 6: could bump into We might be able to bump into Bedell.
Speaker 1: We might be able to bumpy.
Speaker 6: And then you were great. We'd have that chat and
Speaker 6: we'd try we'd probably have prepared material or something to
Speaker 6: try and impress the funny guy, which is what people
Speaker 6: do all the time where they're just wanting to make
Speaker 6: a good impression. And then probably three weeks into Hallway lingering,
Speaker 6: it was becoming close with a better mates or you know,
Speaker 6: at least acquaintances. So yeah, but it was certainly a
Speaker 6: timed event for us. I do remember, like doc back
Speaker 6: to the future, we needed to be there at the
Speaker 6: exact right time time to connect the cable.
Speaker 2: I do remember when I was doing radio with Jude
Speaker 2: Lucy and a similar thing would happen, you know, like
Speaker 2: we would go to the corridor and you guys would
Speaker 2: would come out, would pass your office on the way there.
Speaker 2: And this is like years after that, so we were like, really,
Speaker 2: you know, well acquainted by this stage.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you Jude as well.
Speaker 2: But Jude, jud As Lucy does have a she's there's
Speaker 2: a reverence around Jude, like I've seen, like most people
Speaker 2: get a little bit nervous around Jude and to really
Speaker 2: get to know her, to be honest, and you guys
Speaker 2: will pop out. And I remember Hamis in particularly being
Speaker 2: like such a ball event, like a massive, like real
Speaker 2: ball of energy around around Jude. And I got to
Speaker 2: the one point where Jude, We're coming down because we
Speaker 2: were on a different level. We're going down to the
Speaker 2: studio and Jude said, I'm just going to go this way.
Speaker 1: I said, just today, I just can't do it. I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm a bit tired and I can't do the role
Speaker 1: playing and the scenes.
Speaker 2: And with Amy Snandy today, maybe so true because you're so.
Speaker 6: Eager to impress people and Hamishes, you know, bull at
Speaker 6: a gate like that.
Speaker 2: Well it's funny because I'm sure I may have mentioned
Speaker 2: this to you, but I take a little bit of
Speaker 2: I mean, it would have all happened eventually, obviously, but
Speaker 2: I take a little bit of credit for Haim getting
Speaker 2: on radio because I was filling in for Matt Tilley
Speaker 2: on the Matt and Tracy Show, which Hamish was working
Speaker 2: behind the scenes.
Speaker 6: He was the joke writer for Tracy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I used to call him Jewels because I
Speaker 2: thought he was jews Lie and I filled him for a
Speaker 2: couple of days. I was shooting Skit House at the time,
Speaker 2: and Mel who was producing at the time, said can.
Speaker 1: You come in?
Speaker 2: Can you do Thursday as well? Matt's still sick, and
Speaker 2: I said I can't. We go a really early call
Speaker 2: for the Skit House and they're talking.
Speaker 1: About who they get it. I said, why do you
Speaker 1: get when do you get the Jewels?
Speaker 7: Guy?
Speaker 1: It's really funny.
Speaker 2: I think By this time I may, I may, I
Speaker 2: didn't know his name was Hamish. I said that guy's
Speaker 2: really fun should just put in mind. It's one day.
Speaker 1: Put in mind.
Speaker 2: And then I was never asked back the film, but
Speaker 2: Jilly again. I remember that day. I woke up at
Speaker 2: six to listen to the whole show right to see
Speaker 2: how when he did so well.
Speaker 1: I remember listening.
Speaker 2: I remember listening on the way to Skit House to
Speaker 2: him because I got the message that he was going
Speaker 2: to fill in, and I was like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: going back.
Speaker 6: And it's the funny if anything for me is all
Speaker 6: the jokes that Tracy Barton was ignoring because Habish would
Speaker 6: write this stuff, and you know their styles are very different,
Speaker 6: as you could agree, so he'd be spending all this
Speaker 6: time writing for Tracy and she wouldn't really often use much.
Speaker 2: It is quite a strange thing when I think about
Speaker 2: it now. You're completely absolutely right. You would never pair
Speaker 2: those two ups.
Speaker 6: No, and in this style. So to hear Haims say,
Speaker 6: do you know doing this stuff that he's been working on,
Speaker 6: you get to kind of refine the craft of it,
Speaker 6: just writing jokes no one's using for. But yeah, he
Speaker 6: did an amazing job. It was pretty cool, But yeah,
Speaker 6: it was. It was great doing those Hallway Lingers before
Speaker 6: we ended up being on the same TV shows together.
Speaker 6: Now the podcast The Pinnacle, The Pinnacle.
Speaker 1: Here we are, so Andy, tell us, tell us about yourself?
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, yeah, my name's Andy Lee, and my three
Speaker 6: favorite films are Braveheart, What Will You.
Speaker 7: Do Without Freedom?
Speaker 6: Will Your Fight? The Castle Where Go?
Speaker 1: And t'barney doo.
Speaker 6: An eternal sunshine of a spotless mind. But up until now,
Speaker 6: well till this week, I had never seen There Will
Speaker 6: Be Blood.
Speaker 2: Yes, if Calica's Milkshake brought all the boys to the Yard,
Speaker 2: then Daniel Plane views milkshake sends them scurrying in a
Speaker 2: thousand different directions. In Poor Thomas Anderson's two thousand and
Speaker 2: seven classic There Will Be Blood, It's the beginning of
Speaker 2: the twentieth century and America is about to transition. Daniel
Speaker 2: day Lewis plays oil prospector soon to be tycoon Daniel
Speaker 2: Plainview in a role that will nab him his second Oscar.
Speaker 2: He won a third since for Lincoln the first being
Speaker 2: for my left foot. We first find Plainview in a
Speaker 2: hole in the ground, soon literally hitting rock bottom, before
Speaker 2: crawling his way again literally back up to becoming one
Speaker 2: of the richest oil men in America. After receiving a
Speaker 2: hot tip, Plainview with his prop adopted son HW heads
Speaker 2: west to buy oil land for quail prices from the
Speaker 2: Sunday family, much to the chagrin of aspiring pastor Eli
Speaker 2: played by poor Dano, thus beginning Daniel Playview's journey into
Speaker 2: discovery tragedy the seat Creed ambition that pits capitalism against religion,
Speaker 2: somewhat based on Upton Sinclair's nineteen twenty seven book Oil,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure we've all read. This is film making
Speaker 2: at its highest order. There will be oil, there will
Speaker 2: be death, there will be two Pordano's, and yes, there
Speaker 2: will be blood. Andy Lee, Did Daniel day Lewis's Milkshake
Speaker 2: bring you into the yard?
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 1: Did?
Speaker 6: You know? It had big hype though, like because it
Speaker 6: won all the Oscars and it was nominated for many
Speaker 6: many awards. So I suppose I was set for something
Speaker 6: slightly different. But it's pretty sparse, would you agree?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 6: It doesn't It doesn't kind of lean on too many
Speaker 6: entertainment tropes to like no Tricks. So it's which I loved. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I love that, but the way it's scored as well.
Speaker 1: Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead really.
Speaker 6: He didn't he didn't put creep at the end. He
Speaker 6: would have probably would have fitted Naster exactly as the
Speaker 6: last camera shot kind of pans away. So what I find,
Speaker 6: I mean, I love music and effects and in cinema
Speaker 6: and also TV. It's amazing how much you can improve something.
Speaker 6: But I thought it was really kind of courageous that
Speaker 6: they use it sparingly, so you felt like you were
Speaker 6: there a lot of the time. You felt like you're
Speaker 6: in the late eight and hundreds where it is lonely,
Speaker 6: and these people were so brave going out just dig
Speaker 6: in their own holes to join and find you know,
Speaker 6: at the start, he's trying to find silver, and then
Speaker 6: I'm not giving anything away everybody.
Speaker 1: There's still a three and a half hours after that.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so I really enjoyed that aspect of it.
Speaker 2: You texted me saying that you've been trying to convince
Speaker 2: your partner back to watch this film for many years.
Speaker 2: You'd always said no, but now because you had a
Speaker 2: work to watch it. Did you watch it with you?
Speaker 6: She did it. So I said to Becky, I've got
Speaker 6: to watch this film for work. They were, so you
Speaker 6: want to need to watch that with your years, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I gotta watch it for work, which is just going
Speaker 6: to a podcast with Pete. So when you invite any
Speaker 6: other podcast, like, yes, I'm going to be able to
Speaker 6: trick beck into.
Speaker 1: Watching this with How does their Blood Players as a
Speaker 1: date night?
Speaker 6: No, it's not. It's probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it always be.
Speaker 6: My maybe was probably more becks or me and girls something.
Speaker 6: So the thing is, I'm not sure if you do
Speaker 6: this with your partner, but with with beck and I.
Speaker 6: With films, she always says, we have a rule where okay, okay,
Speaker 6: pick four and I need to choose one.
Speaker 1: Okay, nice, nice system.
Speaker 6: So that's the sister because otherwise she just does rom coms.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, and like if it's if it's if it's
Speaker 6: under thirty on Rotten Tomatoes, it's probably well in her wheelhouse.
Speaker 6: She doesn't care for those things. She just likes feel good,
Speaker 6: predictable rom coms.
Speaker 2: She allowed to pick rom coms. You're the choose rom ord.
Speaker 2: Is there a rule where there has to be.
Speaker 6: She is allowed to do that. It's frowned upon, and
Speaker 6: it can come back, It can come back to get it,
Speaker 6: bite it right, because suddenly I'm going, all right, well,
Speaker 6: I'm going to go deep, deep into what I really
Speaker 6: want for film. So, yeah, I this is one I'd
Speaker 6: been putting in my four for you know, a few years.
Speaker 6: I always felt sorry for, you know, Daniel day Lewis,
Speaker 6: if he could have kind of envisaged him sitting out
Speaker 6: in the hallway waiting for Beck to make her choice
Speaker 6: and repeatedly for kind of fifty six weeks in a row.
Speaker 6: Now we're not going with that one. He just you know,
Speaker 6: drops his head and sawdus off. So to get her
Speaker 6: to do it under the guise of work was great.
Speaker 1: Did you get through it? Okay? She fell asleep, she
Speaker 1: fell a sleep.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It has happened a few times on this podcast, and
Speaker 2: I like that a lot of people watch the films
Speaker 2: they're watched, they come to talk about with their partners.
Speaker 2: I think also it's a nice comfort thing of maybe
Speaker 2: having all of this guy about it before you you
Speaker 2: come in. But there's been a few films I think
Speaker 2: Limo was in with with Nail and nine and he's partner.
Speaker 1: Cal just she lasted ten minutes as well.
Speaker 2: And then when I'm done, I'm done here and Claire
Speaker 2: Hooper's uh, Clire Hooper's bloke did not get through weird Science. No,
Speaker 2: So well, thanks for trying, Beck, We appreciate.
Speaker 1: I want to get to what you got.
Speaker 6: We actually have a rule in my house which we broke,
Speaker 6: was Beck's not allowed to be lied lie down during
Speaker 6: a film or TV show. Yeah, because she just goes
Speaker 6: to sleep immediately. But I could tell that she was
Speaker 6: waning a little bit in interest for this film, and
Speaker 6: rather than her jump on her phone or anything, you know,
Speaker 6: I broke the rule. She was allowed to lie down,
Speaker 6: and sure enough she's asleep straight away.
Speaker 2: Always give a bridge to the bridge, sleeping little Coffer.
Speaker 2: I laugh at a moment, a little bit out loud,
Speaker 2: and then she kind of wakes up, and I said,
Speaker 2: you're right. You don't want to follow sleep the couch,
Speaker 2: you know, don't like doing that.
Speaker 6: I also can't tell often because Beck will like lay
Speaker 6: a head on my knees and I can't tell whether
Speaker 6: she's sleeping or not. That's her move. And so I
Speaker 6: use my phone on selfie mode to see whether she's sleeping.
Speaker 6: I have a catalog of photos of Becka's sleep, her
Speaker 6: big face right Synathy, and so one day I'll release
Speaker 6: them all.
Speaker 1: But I think I want to have the movie titles.
Speaker 2: I want to get back to what you thought more.
Speaker 2: But there's so much to unpacked with there would be blood.
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about your three favorite films,
Speaker 2: starting with let's go with the Castle, because it has.
Speaker 1: Been mentioned quite a lot recently actually, but as we.
Speaker 2: Mentioned that a few times, hughsually mentioned it, Samuel Johnson
Speaker 2: mentioned it in their top three favorite films. A couple
Speaker 2: but when did you? When did you say that? What
Speaker 2: does this film mean to you?
Speaker 6: In the cinemas? Saw it in the cinemas, loved it.
Speaker 6: Also realized I could be funny. I just repeating their
Speaker 6: lines like a you know. So it was the first
Speaker 6: kind of time where I'm like, you know, I'll tell
Speaker 6: them they're dreaming at a barbig family bar, because I
Speaker 6: mean everyone laughs like, oh this is easy. Are they
Speaker 6: stealing material?
Speaker 2: I think it's the most quotable Australian film. I mean,
Speaker 2: Dundee A Mirror's Wedding will be you know in that
Speaker 2: trifector I think, which I think those three are the
Speaker 2: probably the triffect, the holy grail of Australian comedies. Yes,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's such a it's so quote all the
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I just I loved it. Then it's
Speaker 6: one of those. I also realized that when it comes on,
Speaker 6: you have to watch it on Telly and it's on
Speaker 6: every third week, I think of Channel nine. But so
Speaker 6: that's the sign of a good film. You just get
Speaker 6: sucked into it. It's so funny, it's so well paced,
Speaker 6: the performances are amazing. But obviously you know we now
Speaker 6: I now know that the creators of that and have
Speaker 6: talked to them a lot about it. So it's it's
Speaker 6: interesting having that different perspective and seeing it again. I
Speaker 6: love funny films, and I had to have a comedy
Speaker 6: in there. But I tend to not draw myself these
Speaker 6: days to comedic films as much. I tend to be
Speaker 6: wanting to you know, thrillers or get another vice, maybe
Speaker 6: because we're trying to be funny or you know, doing
Speaker 6: you know, comedy podcast stuff constantly that I need films.
Speaker 6: I need something different. So but that one, when I
Speaker 6: think about it, is just the one that I always
Speaker 6: coming back to us. The first time I really understood,
Speaker 6: oh wow, this is laughing, this is great.
Speaker 1: It is a great one.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean last week we Sam Johnson
Speaker 2: still says he is intimidated by Stephen Curry because of
Speaker 2: that performance, which is weird because I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 2: car he is the least one of the least intimidating
Speaker 2: guys you could possibly meet. But these performance is remarkable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they're also the interesting, I mean the backstory
Speaker 6: of it all. You know, whether this has been some
Speaker 6: things I've read in someone, but like they've done in
Speaker 6: eleven days, like yeah.
Speaker 2: Me and me and Barks borrowing, like Eddie Maguire's cart,
Speaker 2: you know, because he had like a BMW to yeah
Speaker 2: shoot the scene.
Speaker 6: And I may be wrong, but I think they wanted
Speaker 6: to do the dish first, that's right, yes, yeah, and
Speaker 6: it is their practice film.
Speaker 1: Well well they.
Speaker 6: Got told no, can you do something else cheap? Oh
Speaker 6: well we may as well try this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, It's like when got here, I said, no, we
Speaker 6: need one more song, and he did. Somebody that used
Speaker 6: to know because like he'd finished the whole album. They go,
Speaker 6: we think you need one more song, Okay, then goes
Speaker 6: and does that. It's it kind of has that that
Speaker 6: kind of feel to me. So it's it's an effortless
Speaker 6: watch though, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's so good.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the castle, do you have a
Speaker 2: favor and then you can listen to I think it
Speaker 2: was episode two we had Sampang who unbelievably had never
Speaker 2: seen the castle. Wow, and which is astonished and considering
Speaker 2: who works with the people who made the castle and
Speaker 2: has worked with them for the last decade. So that
Speaker 2: Brave Heart. I remember seeing Brave Heart in the cinemas
Speaker 2: and this was around a time. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 2: had danced with wolves around the same time.
Speaker 1: There was quite a few.
Speaker 2: It was a good time for those sweeping historical epics
Speaker 2: and this was this was probably the most rousing one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, has anyone else mentioned Braveheart? I have?
Speaker 6: Actually I watch it once a year, right, yeah, and
Speaker 6: I try to find someone who hasn't seen it to
Speaker 6: watch it with me once a year. In fact, I
Speaker 6: was on this is well before I met back, but
Speaker 6: I was on a date that was going extremely well
Speaker 6: in New York when we were living there. On gap
Speaker 6: Year and realized, hang on, I I'd promised Braveheart that
Speaker 6: this is my once, this is the night I'd chosen
Speaker 6: for Brave Heart, and Jack posted as coming around to
Speaker 6: watch it my web guye Jats, and I said to
Speaker 6: the God, I'm so sorry, I've got to go and
Speaker 6: watch Brave That's how much I was into this film.
Speaker 1: And the worst version of the movie speed I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, there's a bomb explodes. But Gul's Brave Heart, Now.
Speaker 6: What I love about it, and obviously Mel Gibson's had
Speaker 6: a bit of a troubling road, But what I loved
Speaker 6: about it was it's it's matship, it's love, it's warfare,
Speaker 6: it's historic. The scenery is just incredible, and what what
Speaker 6: they did and and then and it also just the
Speaker 6: idea of defending your country. It's patrioch. There's so many
Speaker 6: themes that I can you can grab onto on the
Speaker 6: way through, and a lot of kilts.
Speaker 2: A lot of girls, and it's fun like it's fun
Speaker 2: like you know, there's those characters around. I think Brendan
Speaker 2: Gleason's in it, isn't it Yeah, Yeah, And he's it's.
Speaker 1: A lot of fun.
Speaker 2: You do fall kind of in love with a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of those Scottish dudes, you know, and
Speaker 2: the characters around them, and you buy into the army,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: And I find Gallows humor really funny. I mean some
Speaker 6: people don't, but I find that a laugh in the
Speaker 6: most awful times is great. And when people it also
Speaker 6: says a lot about a character in person, in real
Speaker 6: life or on film, if they can feel still find
Speaker 6: the light and still have fun even when things are
Speaker 6: really daunting or you know, they're at doom's edge. I
Speaker 6: really think that's endearing. And there's plenty of that brave heart.
Speaker 2: And Mel Gibson plays I thinks his ace in the
Speaker 2: hole is he's playing a wounded guy. I think he
Speaker 2: does wounded as much as well as anyone probably on screen.
Speaker 6: Tom Cruise is running, Yes, yes, he runs better than
Speaker 6: anyone else.
Speaker 1: And Gibson's a good runner as well, you know. Top three.
Speaker 6: I asked Tom Cruise, what you said, eighty percent of
Speaker 6: your films you're running. Of the film you run? I said,
Speaker 6: what makes a good run? He said, arms faster than
Speaker 6: your legs are actually moving normally, we run, you know,
Speaker 6: kind of one arm per leg's arms faster and makes
Speaker 6: it look like you're running heaps faster.
Speaker 1: That's how That's actually how I tend to run for
Speaker 1: an elevator.
Speaker 2: That's just make sure that I'm the pumping. It makes
Speaker 2: it look like you've made an efforts to get it.
Speaker 2: They usually hold the door open for you.
Speaker 1: If you do that. That's great.
Speaker 2: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind Michelle Gondry and written
Speaker 2: by Charli Kaufman.
Speaker 1: A great film in life.
Speaker 2: So much to take in visually and you know thematically,
Speaker 2: it's a masterpiece.
Speaker 6: This is one that I said I had in my fall,
Speaker 6: and Beck had knocked back for years, and I kept
Speaker 6: putting it out to tender and I said, look, it's
Speaker 6: about love.
Speaker 1: It's okay, wisdom, it's about love.
Speaker 6: I know it looks odd, but it's about love. And
Speaker 6: Beck loved but was blown away. It is a very
Speaker 6: confusing film, yeah, and you kind of you kind of
Speaker 6: don't want to give too much away because it's one
Speaker 6: of those great films that if you discover what's happening
Speaker 6: and you finally realize what's happening, it's it's really beautiful
Speaker 6: and confronting and exciting, but yeah, it's it's a it's
Speaker 6: a Jim Carrey. I think like Beck was so surprised.
Speaker 6: That's what was nice watching with someone more recently. Beck
Speaker 6: was so surprised that Jim Carey could be cute, could
Speaker 6: play a lovable, cute, adorable like boyfriend. And I didn't
Speaker 6: really remember him as that. We always think, you know,
Speaker 6: Ace Ventura or he's playing like almost superhero comicy like character.
Speaker 2: Is the Truman Show kind of edges in closer. That's
Speaker 2: but even with Truman Show, as things start unraveling, you know,
Speaker 2: like he does adopt some of his Jim Carrey isms.
Speaker 6: And you don't see it at all in in Eternal
Speaker 6: Sunshine of Spotless Mind, and you see why someone would
Speaker 6: fall in love with him with its character and that
Speaker 6: I thought that was really interesting to watch again.
Speaker 1: It was his first It's a good point.
Speaker 2: It's his first role of putting away all these tricks
Speaker 2: and you know, putting his skip bag aside and going okay,
Speaker 2: this is this is something new.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's nothing slapstick about performance. There's and he also
Speaker 6: he still gets laugh but they're kind of adorable, endearing
Speaker 6: type laughs and they're real like in real life, you
Speaker 6: could see this person doing that where a lot of
Speaker 6: Jim Carrey's characters. If someone was doing that in real life,
Speaker 6: you go, wow, call the mentalist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be around this guy at all.
Speaker 6: So I really like that, and I think Kate Winslet
Speaker 6: was just amazing as well. It's also lovely to see.
Speaker 6: And this is maybe sound weird, awful or I'm not
Speaker 6: sure to say in this day age, but it's like
Speaker 6: they're two They're not a terrible, like beautifully attractive couple
Speaker 6: like Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet. It's not that pitcherball
Speaker 6: like Hollywood type.
Speaker 1: They haven't lootted them up in a way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not the Ashton Coutch and Alie Portman combo,
Speaker 6: isn't it. And so that's what made it feel more
Speaker 6: real as well. And you need the relationship to feel
Speaker 6: real to kind of experience what they go through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love both those performances. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey is amazing, but Kate Winslet. There's Clementine, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she is phenomenal from the get go.
Speaker 1: And you know it's kind of.
Speaker 6: Because Mark Ruffler is in there, like it's the cart
Speaker 6: yes support part of the Kirsten Dance, isn't it? And
Speaker 6: Mark Ruffalo.
Speaker 2: And Martin's poor GM Marty type I reckon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, I should have been that.
Speaker 2: Elijah Woods in it? Yeah, David Cross? Is it that
Speaker 2: Tom Wilkins. Tom Wilkinson is amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an amazing cast. But they're all playing besides
Speaker 6: Jim and Kate, they're all playing very just supportive roles,
Speaker 6: like not bit parts is too is unfair, But then
Speaker 6: it's they're not drawing focus at all.
Speaker 1: You just believe the world.
Speaker 6: It's great.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, the film we're about to speak about,
Speaker 2: There we be Blood. It's almost it's almost a one hander.
Speaker 2: It's not quite because poor Dano is also doing some
Speaker 2: great work, but there will be blood. I really love
Speaker 2: this film, and I love it even more the more
Speaker 2: I see. I think the first time I saw it,
Speaker 2: I was impressed with its scope. Ye, and it's ambition.
Speaker 2: And I'm a massive Paul Thomas Anderson fan, and this
Speaker 2: film kind of represents in a way like Marvel may
Speaker 2: have entered their phase two with Iron Man three whenever
Speaker 2: that was. But this, I think, and I think I
Speaker 2: read this that this was Paul Thomas Anderson's phase two
Speaker 2: if you like. So, he'd made a great little film
Speaker 2: called Hard eight with Philip Baker Hall, who he collaborated
Speaker 2: with a few more times, Gwyneth Poultrow and John c Riley.
Speaker 2: It's called Sidney originally and it was re released as
Speaker 2: Hart eight. Really lovely little film. And then he made
Speaker 2: Boogie Knights Explodesive Boogie Knights, and if you haven't seen
Speaker 2: Boogie Nights, it's it's like good Fellows. It's amazing. Then
Speaker 2: he has, you know, he's the hot director in town.
Speaker 2: Friends of a couple of says, make the dream project
Speaker 2: you want to make. He makes Magnolia, which is an
Speaker 2: extraordinary film, and then he that's such a massive undertaking,
Speaker 2: he makes it a smaller film called Punts Drunk Love
Speaker 2: with Adam Sandler.
Speaker 1: Those three films are particually.
Speaker 2: Put it aside hard Ache, which is it's a good film,
Speaker 2: maybe not in the same league as these other films,
Speaker 2: like I can't I still can't decide which is my favorite.
Speaker 1: Like they're they're that good.
Speaker 2: And then so he basically then goes, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm going to strive for some new things now and
Speaker 2: there will be blood is like the first rum he makes,
Speaker 2: I think then the Master and so you can see
Speaker 2: him making more period pieces and more kind of almost
Speaker 2: feels a bit more old Hollywood about it. He doesn't
Speaker 2: even use Phil Sima Hoffen. I think was going to
Speaker 2: play a role in this film.
Speaker 1: He doesn't.
Speaker 2: He doesn't work out in the end because I think
Speaker 2: I think he's also filming Charlie Kaufman directed films Sinadoki,
Speaker 2: New York. But also I think Poort Thomas Anderson this
Speaker 2: and I actually want this to be new. I don't
Speaker 2: want because he was using a lot of same remates
Speaker 2: Mac you feel see Half and John c Riley. I
Speaker 2: just want this to be a new caster characters. The
Speaker 2: only character, the only actor who's in this there was
Speaker 2: in any previous films, Paul F. Tompkins, A lot of
Speaker 2: comedy fans would note, so this feels like a new
Speaker 2: beginning for him, and it just I don't know, it
Speaker 2: feels I think this is like a Citizen Kane for
Speaker 2: our generation.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's the Then this isn't really I'm not giving
Speaker 6: away he spoilers reading here.
Speaker 2: I mean you can because if you haven't seen, there
Speaker 2: will be blood stopped listening.
Speaker 1: Now watch it. And then you can listen to the
Speaker 1: Canis podcast.
Speaker 6: But it is one of those films which we're not
Speaker 6: used to in today's day age, where it's not tying
Speaker 6: itself up. Is it just goes through a one man's
Speaker 6: life and there's no tricks to pull you back in
Speaker 6: and then something happens, and often there's not a consequence
Speaker 6: like it's it's just you just follow someone's journey. It's
Speaker 6: super satisfying. But I think what we're expecting more these
Speaker 6: days is a start, middle, and an end in the
Speaker 6: end that references the start kind of yeah, and it's
Speaker 6: not really like that. It just tells a story and
Speaker 6: that's brave. I think people would A lot of people
Speaker 6: would wouldn't like it for that reason.
Speaker 2: Is this is a movie I think, perhaps more than
Speaker 2: any other film we have chatted about on this podcast.
Speaker 2: This you need to love film, Yes, to not just
Speaker 2: love movies, but you need to love film to appreciate this.
Speaker 2: You need to make time for it. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what I love about the opening sequence. So for
Speaker 2: the first forty minutes is some It's not silent because
Speaker 2: it's an amazing sound design going on in that, but
Speaker 2: it's there's no dialogue, and it's full Hoffman Daniel day
Speaker 2: Lewis as Daniel playing view down the hole and he's
Speaker 2: with his pickaxe looking for silver, and then he eventually
Speaker 2: falls and then he's he's basically a broken leg, gett
Speaker 2: himself up back up the up the mine. And this
Speaker 2: is what I find incredible. So he gets himself back
Speaker 2: up the mine, and you seem laid out. You can
Speaker 2: tell his leg is obviously broken, and you look around
Speaker 2: and it's as vast as vast as nothing there. It's
Speaker 2: this American desert and and then you go to the
Speaker 2: next scene and he's he's found the local town. He's
Speaker 2: flamming his back, but he has crawled like this is
Speaker 2: like this is what the kind of stuff thinking about.
Speaker 2: He has crawled there like people can come to help him.
Speaker 2: There's no one else around. He crawled there and that
Speaker 2: like that, And as I love about put Toom Sanderson
Speaker 2: ports doesn't show us that, like you have to kind
Speaker 2: of work that out for yourself, like he's done that.
Speaker 2: That could be the film that is like The Revenant
Speaker 2: with Leonardo Dicatrioia like whack in there, and that's The
Speaker 2: Revenant basically, you know, like that could be an amazing film,
Speaker 2: but that's not what he shows us. He shows us
Speaker 2: all the details and for me, it really it gives
Speaker 2: you the confidence.
Speaker 1: And this lets you know you need to pay attention.
Speaker 2: We are working at our own pace here and you
Speaker 2: need to know you need to be invested.
Speaker 6: Yeah, spot on. And what it's interesting I think is that, Yeah,
Speaker 6: the first ten minutes no dialogue like I said to
Speaker 6: be because he said a word yet nah, you know,
Speaker 6: but it's engaging. The score again, the music's quite daunting.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of percussion being used, and but you're
Speaker 6: left going, that'd be really hard working on a mine
Speaker 6: in the.
Speaker 1: Late ad y.
Speaker 6: Yes, he basically allows you to feel the monotony of it, like, which, again,
Speaker 6: is it kind of a courageous thing to do. It's like,
Speaker 6: we're gonna let you sit with this guy that's just
Speaker 6: hitting rocks down the bottom of a mine. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: it shopped you. But then he jumps forward in tomly
Speaker 6: saying and you move there. There's no like linking bits
Speaker 6: that you might see if someone moves cities. Normally it's
Speaker 6: a car shot of them leaving that one city, and
Speaker 6: then one traveling shot and then a big white of
Speaker 6: them entering the next city like that these film tropes.
Speaker 6: He doesn't do that, But then you go back to
Speaker 6: being slow again. So it's I felt like you're kind
Speaker 6: of watching life in real time, but you get to
Speaker 6: skip your teleport through the years. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 6: sit there and you experience it. So it's like if
Speaker 6: you were time traveling. You can't get a montage of it,
Speaker 6: but you can pick where to go. You kind of
Speaker 6: go there your experience, and that's what makes it so
Speaker 6: much rawer.
Speaker 2: I think I completely agree. And the other really important
Speaker 2: thing that that opening does is it tells you that
Speaker 2: this is a self made man. He is by himself
Speaker 2: in that desert, down that hole, and he's caught up
Speaker 2: by himself, and he's got that town to sell, you know,
Speaker 2: to make the money that he made from what he found.
Speaker 2: But then so that makes you speak a bit on
Speaker 2: this podcast about you know, where protagonists have sometimes little
Speaker 2: little and they could be a little maybe kind the
Speaker 2: actual heroic acts, it just kind of goes, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: invested in you. Daniel playing View is not a likable character.
Speaker 2: There's nobody in this film you're really rooting for, which
Speaker 2: is kind of interesting, but what you do out of
Speaker 2: this seat, you've got this is a self made man,
Speaker 2: Like so he has earned, you know, the right to
Speaker 2: you know, and he's done. There's the seat, and there's greed,
Speaker 2: and there's you know, a whole bunch of stuff going on,
Speaker 2: but he has put the work in. Like this is
Speaker 2: a man who doesn't need God, as opposed to Pordano's character,
Speaker 2: Like this is a man who's working on his own
Speaker 2: terms and has the right to put himself in that situation.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And it shows that he's resilient and also will
Speaker 6: kind of stop at nothing, you get you get it.
Speaker 6: He's drive in that first ten minutes, you're going, Okay, yes,
Speaker 6: this really wants it and will stop it nothing, And
Speaker 6: so that when things start working out better for him
Speaker 6: as these business grows, et cetera, that's still in the
Speaker 6: back of his mind that the drive is more important
Speaker 6: than anyone along the way, which is pretty harrowing, particularly
Speaker 6: towards the end. But yeah, I thought that the person
Speaker 6: you kind of I found myself reading for was his
Speaker 6: adopted son HW And you're not sure. So there's an
Speaker 6: accident the father of this son whose baby would be
Speaker 6: you know, probably nine months old passed away and he
Speaker 6: then has takes the baby on it. At that point
Speaker 6: you're thinking, what a wonderful guy. But it turns out
Speaker 6: it's not necessarily his why he wanted to have a kid.
Speaker 2: It's impossible not to kind of, I guess jump around
Speaker 2: a little bit. So let's just let's go for it.
Speaker 2: But so I remember the first time watched it, and
Speaker 2: I didn't see it for a while. After I watched it,
Speaker 2: I just remember going, Okay, yeah, he uses HW as
Speaker 2: a prop to, you know, to as the face of
Speaker 2: the business. He wants to sell himself as a family businessman.
Speaker 2: And and that's just how I remember. And then watching it,
Speaker 2: you know, the more I've watched it over the years,
Speaker 2: and certainly watching it again a couple of nights ago,
Speaker 2: I wonder, I think, as I kind of get older,
Speaker 2: I understand that, you know, there's more than one truth
Speaker 2: in each in each thing, Like, is it possible that, yes,
Speaker 2: the annual playing views saw the the strategy of having
Speaker 2: selling himself as a as a family man. But is
Speaker 2: it also possible that he loved the h W. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I certainly I certainly felt that.
Speaker 6: I think it is and I think that. I also
Speaker 6: think that when he was in charge of her mind
Speaker 6: that's killed this guy and left a baby, I think
Speaker 6: he felt responsibly at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think he then realized the benefit of it. That's
Speaker 6: that's like, I don't think it at that singular moment
Speaker 6: where this horrific accent, this person dies, You're not sitting
Speaker 6: there going looking at the ball, going, I can use you.
Speaker 6: I don't think any human really goes through that, because
Speaker 6: that's care for his workers.
Speaker 1: He does.
Speaker 2: He actually says when the first death happens, you know,
Speaker 2: we him in the second one, that we will shut
Speaker 2: the mind down till midday tomorrow and like you kind
Speaker 2: of make sure you know which you know. People might go, oh,
Speaker 2: that's had enough, But back then that would have been huge.
Speaker 6: Imagine, yeah, exactly, you're allowed to lose a couple of
Speaker 6: people a day. I reckon that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's four.
Speaker 2: Deaths in this in this film. The body count is
Speaker 2: and there's one the other thing I quite liked about.
Speaker 2: We'll come back to a jump in scept But like
Speaker 2: Daniel Plain, he's not a murderer. Sorry he murders once.
Speaker 1: Sorry is actually he is? He is? He is, but
Speaker 1: very much fun it would be very shooting, shooting a
Speaker 1: blog in the head. Yeah, okay, I can.
Speaker 6: Come and the last scene, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Until that, definitely he's a cold blood of murderer, and
Speaker 2: no leading into that, and even to put the temping
Speaker 2: bowling thing aside, which you will definitely obviously get get
Speaker 2: to whether he has he has fallen into all kinds
Speaker 2: of madness by then, but up until he murders his brother,
Speaker 2: until he murders.
Speaker 1: He's not a murderer.
Speaker 6: Funnily enough, when you said it though, just then I went, no,
Speaker 6: like agreeing with you. Yeah, because he gets driven to
Speaker 6: heinous as I think, through desperation and also just it
Speaker 6: all catches up with him. He mentally disturbed by the
Speaker 6: end of it. That's how I felt.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I feel you look at the two different
Speaker 2: murders differently in a way like the end is he
Speaker 2: is gone, is you know, a shell of a man.
Speaker 2: He's got everything he wanted, he wanted he will all
Speaker 2: wanted us to.
Speaker 1: Be away from people.
Speaker 2: Uh, and and so he got that and and then yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he's in with point. But I think with
Speaker 2: the when he kills his he's not brother Henry who
Speaker 2: lies to him about being his brother. I think he's
Speaker 2: so livid because because he knows and this is this
Speaker 2: is part of the theme of blood you know, being
Speaker 2: blood relatives.
Speaker 1: Hw is not a blood relative.
Speaker 2: So when he discovers he's got one, he actually pretty
Speaker 2: quickly for someone like of his temperament and and you know, philosophy,
Speaker 2: he brings. He brings Henry into the fold pretty quickly,
Speaker 2: like he's part of the business almost immediately. So when
Speaker 2: he finds out, which a pretty crafty little detective work,
Speaker 2: you know, he just mentions the rose Bush dance or
Speaker 2: something I think it was, and then and then he
Speaker 2: just just Henry doesn't give the game away completely. He
Speaker 2: just reads something between the lines and maybe a look
Speaker 2: in his face, and he knows, he knows that he's
Speaker 2: there's a deception going on, and he doesn't say kindly
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 2: But again it's like the weary that he the one
Speaker 2: blood relative he thought he had.
Speaker 6: But other directors would have given our audience a bit
Speaker 6: of a nods that the brother's not the.
Speaker 1: Brother yeah earlier, yeah.
Speaker 6: So but we're not. Again, we kind of find out
Speaker 6: in real time, so it became a little bit and
Speaker 6: if you're not paying attention. It can kind of come
Speaker 6: out and go a bit of a shock all of
Speaker 6: a sudden that this is what's happening. But I agree
Speaker 6: with you that Daniel playing me he wants I think
Speaker 6: he yearns for a family. Yeah, I think he wants
Speaker 6: a partner, but he's not very trusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And the fact that he found HW has an accident.
Speaker 6: He's not son. But I think if HW hadn't had
Speaker 6: the accident, he would have been there, apparent and they
Speaker 6: would have had a great Oh.
Speaker 1: You can see all the way through it that he's
Speaker 1: teaching him. I don't.
Speaker 2: I went into completely different business as my dad, so
Speaker 2: I haven't had that kind of those discussions with him.
Speaker 2: But I know mates who have gone into the family business,
Speaker 2: and I've kind of witnessed those discussions. I've heard about
Speaker 2: those discussions of the dad, you know, like teaching them
Speaker 2: the trade. And that is clearly going on here, even
Speaker 2: from the.
Speaker 6: Matt Jnsky and Michael didn'ty like at the great late
Speaker 6: like you've you you know, Matt from seventeen years old
Speaker 6: moves into mushroom records and starts and starts learning off Michael,
Speaker 6: and you can see and that's and they have great
Speaker 6: arguments and passion together, but they they're both teaching.
Speaker 1: You could argue, you know, there's no doubt.
Speaker 2: It's part of it that that, you know, and Daniel,
Speaker 2: playing with view says, you know, like later on that
Speaker 2: you were, you know, you were a warm face or
Speaker 2: a friendly face for me to help sell. So there's that.
Speaker 2: That's part of it, that's part of his thinking. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, what else was he going to do?
Speaker 2: Like this is there's no daycare, you know, but he
Speaker 2: has to go along with them, like he has to
Speaker 2: be by his side, you know, like the other only
Speaker 2: other option was wait outside while I do this business. Yes,
Speaker 2: but no, he's going to sit I and he witnesses
Speaker 2: all these things. And we want just play a scene
Speaker 2: where they arrive at the Sunday Ranch and he makes
Speaker 2: an offer to buy the Sunday Ranch because he knows
Speaker 2: there's oil. He doesn't know that they know there's oil
Speaker 2: under and he's told hw that they're going to offer
Speaker 2: coil prices for oil liter land. And this is where
Speaker 2: Paul Dano's character Eli, whose twin brother Paul has given
Speaker 2: Daniel the hot tip, fires up a little bit.
Speaker 5: The Lord has sent this man here you yes, I
Speaker 5: believe he has My offer.
Speaker 4: To you has doty seven hundred dollars it that brought
Speaker 4: you here, sir, good lord's guidance.
Speaker 8: Now, of course within there are oiling to develop. Police.
Speaker 8: What's that? What about our oil? What about it? We
Speaker 8: have oil here that's worth something? Oh do you have
Speaker 8: someone who can drilled for it?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's oil here?
Speaker 8: I know there is.
Speaker 5: It's very expensive a drill to get it up and
Speaker 5: out of the ground.
Speaker 8: You ever tried that before?
Speaker 5: Costly?
Speaker 8: Well, our oil sits right up on top of the ground.
Speaker 5: I believe that's called sea pitch.
Speaker 8: Doesn't necessarily mean there's anything I under What would you
Speaker 8: give us for it? I don't know something you don't know,
Speaker 8: that's right.
Speaker 6: What would you like eli.
Speaker 8: Ten thousand dollars for?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 8: For my church? That's good, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: First, Sorr, we should just call me in hair goods
Speaker 2: Sei Diglois's voice, I mean, the voices is just incredible.
Speaker 2: He gets report a lot to be based on John
Speaker 2: Houston Port Thomas Anderson apparently made them watch The Treasure
Speaker 2: of the Sierra Madre quite a lot. And and it's
Speaker 2: funny because it gets reported quite a lot. He based
Speaker 2: it on John Houston in that film. But Daniel day
Speaker 2: Lewis has constantly said, well, yeah, I listened to that,
Speaker 2: and I listened to a lot of things, and I
Speaker 2: can't exactly say how this voice got into me, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a factor. But there were lots of different things.
Speaker 2: It's almost like Daniel Lewis is saying, can everybody just
Speaker 2: stop saying that? It's more complicated than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's such a so we all see his
Speaker 1: performances over the top.
Speaker 2: I just think it's so really really Yeah, some people
Speaker 2: you need, you need this character this guy like like,
Speaker 2: this guy's like one of the richest men in America.
Speaker 2: You know, he becomes and he's ruthless and he's of
Speaker 2: course he needs to be big. You don't want to
Speaker 2: mek a ma like if you're doing if you're doing
Speaker 2: Donald Trump as a character, like if he was a
Speaker 2: fictitious character, of course you'll be saying, this guy's over
Speaker 2: the top, this no good, like these are powerful.
Speaker 6: Men of them like this watch the loudest voice. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: the Donald Trump portrayaling that was not as like he
Speaker 6: was less of a cartoon than the real Donald.
Speaker 1: Yes, Lison must yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like I.
Speaker 6: Was that, you know, he was less orange, his hair
Speaker 6: was better, like like it was. But I think a
Speaker 6: great choice to actually not see the laughable Saturday Night
Speaker 6: Live version Bordwood version. Yeah, but I so, I think,
Speaker 6: But I don't think that Daniel ed Dalis of Top
Speaker 6: he's also you need the it is his story we
Speaker 6: follow a fews. On one hand, he said he needs
Speaker 6: to have some kind of.
Speaker 2: Character, but also I think people might when they say that,
Speaker 2: might be thinking of where he ends up in the film,
Speaker 2: where he is like a mad man living in a
Speaker 2: mansion by himself, like he's become He's become that, you know,
Speaker 2: like that lost character.
Speaker 6: I made a fatal error, and I was and I
Speaker 6: was waiting for the right time to bring up right.
Speaker 6: I don't know where I missed it.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, yeah, you were taking a photo of back
Speaker 1: sleeping on your lap, but.
Speaker 6: I did not realize that Paul was the twin brother.
Speaker 1: Well, this is when this is really interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So to bring people up to speed, here a
Speaker 6: brother goes to to Daniel plaint and says, hey, our
Speaker 6: property has a lot of oil on it. After an earthquake.
Speaker 6: It's come to the top. We know, we promise you
Speaker 6: and and and Daniel plays that man, Paul for that
Speaker 6: that that all that kind of hint and that advice,
Speaker 6: and then we never see Paul again.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating little exchange because he doesn't know whether
Speaker 2: to trust him or not. No, but he does, you know,
Speaker 2: he sounds honest enough that he decides to give him
Speaker 2: some money and he says, if I get there and
Speaker 2: there's no oil there, you know, things won't end.
Speaker 1: Up good for you.
Speaker 2: And then we never see We never see him again,
Speaker 2: which is interesting. So there's an interesting from a production
Speaker 2: point of view, this interesting story here. This was originally
Speaker 2: played by a different actor, an actor by the name
Speaker 2: of kell O'Neill, and so well, actually Paul Dana was
Speaker 2: always gonna play Paul and kell O'Neal was gonna play Eli, right,
Speaker 2: so then they like happens in some films Back to
Speaker 2: the Future, Eric stults Michael J. Fox in Eric stolts
Speaker 2: out it wasn't working out, And it's been reported that
Speaker 2: kell O'Neal was quite intimidated by Daniel day Lewis Wow
Speaker 2: just from Becau. Daniel Lewis's his method. There's been no
Speaker 2: kind of you know, there's no sense of Daniel Lewis
Speaker 2: doing anything wrong or anything, but just you know, like
Speaker 2: period performance. So often, I'm sure you've been a situ
Speaker 2: like I feel like I'm going to be intimidated by
Speaker 2: these people, and then you get to know them and
Speaker 2: the pill verg a lot of good actors and and
Speaker 2: you know, people are good at putting you at ease.
Speaker 2: Daniel Alow was obviously for kell Owneal wasn't one of
Speaker 2: those people. And he h, this wasn't working out. So
Speaker 2: on a Thursday, Paul Thomas Anderson goes to Paul Dana
Speaker 2: and says, how'd you feel about playing Eli as well?
Speaker 2: We could plamem as twins? And is it's sure, okay
Speaker 2: if you think this could work, when do you need
Speaker 2: me to start?
Speaker 1: And he said Monday.
Speaker 2: So so that kind of frames I think Paul Dano's
Speaker 2: performance is even I think more incredible, and we'll get
Speaker 2: the poor Daana's performance.
Speaker 1: Soon.
Speaker 2: But so because what I always thought, potentially I had
Speaker 2: a little bit of a conspiracy theory that perhaps they
Speaker 2: were the same person, even if it was was Eli
Speaker 2: playing Paul. And then kind of like almost you never
Speaker 2: saw him again because Eli was like, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to acknowledge it that happened, you know, because I feel
Speaker 2: guilty about that I've got brought the devil in.
Speaker 1: But it seems not no, if that's true, that's just
Speaker 1: that they had we known.
Speaker 2: And this is again those details at poor time Sanders
Speaker 2: and goes you don't need those details.
Speaker 6: Because I got super confused when Eli brings some bread
Speaker 6: or water or whatever it was. When when Paul and
Speaker 6: HW arrive and they've got a chance to be a
Speaker 6: line and then I was waiting for plane View to go.
Speaker 6: Thanks buddy for the tip.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because when it's when Eli brings him
Speaker 2: that I think by the you know, by the campfire
Speaker 2: wherever they are, plain View does give him a like
Speaker 2: a like almost a second look.
Speaker 6: He does, and that's why you And then and then
Speaker 6: Eli says pleased to meet you, et cetera. And then
Speaker 6: I thought, ah, he's pretending you have they haven't met before.
Speaker 6: And then it just was confusing me. So I Wikipedia
Speaker 6: and found out that it was a twin brother. But
Speaker 6: does he mention he was a twin brother?
Speaker 1: I think I think it does briefly get mentioned right,
Speaker 1: So I might.
Speaker 6: Have missed that bit, but I had to pause and go,
Speaker 6: this isn't making sense to me. Now again, I might
Speaker 6: have missed that bit because that happens in films, but
Speaker 6: it wasn't like it's reinforced. No, no, they they And
Speaker 6: I'll saying, why make them twins? What is the like
Speaker 6: now you've answered that question?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think great films do that. They're like,
Speaker 2: you need, you need, you need to catch up. We're
Speaker 2: gonna move ahead. Even in this movie, it doesn't move
Speaker 2: at a frenetic pace at all, but you know, there's
Speaker 2: details where you there's.
Speaker 1: All scenes in the movie.
Speaker 2: Even there's a scene where Daniel's at a table near
Speaker 2: the they're oil set up on the once a Sunday.
Speaker 2: Raunches up and going and the daughter comes over to
Speaker 2: him and he kind of like, you know, like you know,
Speaker 2: I think she sits on his knee or he kind
Speaker 2: of and he says, there'll be no more hitting you
Speaker 2: you know, your you know, your father knows there'll be
Speaker 2: no more hitting, you know, And she nods and she's
Speaker 2: you know, and then she walks away and he looks
Speaker 2: over at the father. Now We've never seen any of
Speaker 2: this happen. It's not really referred to.
Speaker 6: Bruise on her ever. It's just like he obviously has
Speaker 6: found out that the father's hitting the daughter and would
Speaker 6: like to, instead of confronting the man, tell the daughter
Speaker 6: really clearly that it's not going to happen in front
Speaker 6: of the man. It's the most passive aggressively you can
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 1: Which is a stranging coming from this character. But I
Speaker 1: think again, it gives you.
Speaker 2: I don't think I think he gets corrupted along the way,
Speaker 2: and this is you know, that's what I think the
Speaker 2: film's saying.
Speaker 1: Power and ambition corrupts.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it doesn't just do that with plain view,
Speaker 2: does that with poor Dano's character ELI clearly?
Speaker 1: If not even more so? Let's talk about Poor Dano
Speaker 1: his role.
Speaker 6: I thought he was the best. I thought his performance
Speaker 6: was so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's fascinating you say that he got replaced
Speaker 6: in Yeah, because I thought it was really it would
Speaker 6: be really hard against Daniel day Lewis with that.
Speaker 2: Well, some people, I say, some people think Daniel Lewis
Speaker 2: has a bit over the top. But some people feel,
Speaker 2: like Quentin Tarantino said, his only criticism of his film
Speaker 2: was Paul Dana's performance, which I find really one but
Speaker 2: the sport I love Quentin Tarantino at this point that
Speaker 2: he put that on the record. P Dano, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a really good actor, and he bobably doesn't need Tarantina.
Speaker 2: I mean, good only for being honest absolutely.
Speaker 6: When you say at the end of this the only
Speaker 6: disappointing thing about this podcast was Andy Lee's performance.
Speaker 2: If I wait, do you leave the studio, I don't
Speaker 2: expect you to listen to right to the end when
Speaker 2: you listen back to it. But I think what I
Speaker 2: like and what I think he's really interesting about this
Speaker 2: film is poor Thomas Anderson wasn't going for two heavyweights
Speaker 2: going at it. I like that one of them was
Speaker 2: a bit weasy, you know, and and a bit sneak.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 6: What do you think Tarantino's problem with it is there?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think Danielde Lewis is such
Speaker 2: a powerhouse that it is hard probably to be you know,
Speaker 2: you know, acting across from him and coming out, you know,
Speaker 2: getting nominated for awards. It's the same way that same year,
Speaker 2: so No Country for Old Men wins the Oscar that year,
Speaker 2: Javier Badam wins for Anton Sugar and an Tommy Lee
Speaker 2: Jones is awesome in the and that Rod doesn't get
Speaker 2: nominated like this, you know that's Tommy Lee Jones, you know,
Speaker 2: and he misses out on the country for Old Men,
Speaker 2: And I think.
Speaker 6: Weirdly the same similar vibe film.
Speaker 2: There's i know, different shot in the same at the
Speaker 2: same time almost so and.
Speaker 6: And like just a moment through time, like they just
Speaker 6: work through a story and it finishes like it's not
Speaker 6: you know, it's it's doesn't bounce around. You kind of
Speaker 6: just felt it's it. That's it's. I found that fascinating
Speaker 6: that they are at the same time.
Speaker 2: I love films that this give you time to already
Speaker 2: mad about the opening scenem but just like just to
Speaker 2: kind of get into and be with the characters in
Speaker 2: their moments. They're quieter moments as opposed to all melodrama
Speaker 2: and you know, like you know all information, It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I just want to be with these characters. And funnily enough,
Speaker 2: when they shut the that oil the Mind catching on fire,
Speaker 2: they were going to do a test do it on fire,
Speaker 2: and then do a test run and then shoot it.
Speaker 2: The next day and once they came on fight really fire,
Speaker 2: They're like, oh shit, let's just shoot it all now.
Speaker 2: And they kind of they weren't sure if they kind
Speaker 2: of fucked it up or not, but they wait, They're
Speaker 2: waiting for it to go out. And then they were like,
Speaker 2: this is not going out. Let's shoot it. Let's just
Speaker 2: keep shooting. But what it did, the fight kind of
Speaker 2: kept burning through the night through the next day. Our country,
Speaker 2: no country for old men were shooting not far from there. Really,
Speaker 2: they had to delay a day because all this smoke
Speaker 2: was coming in from there will be blood. So the
Speaker 2: karma is that there will be no country roll men
Speaker 2: wins the oscar over there will be blood. So if
Speaker 2: you disappointed that no country roll mean one over there
Speaker 2: with blood, it's it's you know, it all comes back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So going back to my question, and it's maybe a
Speaker 6: hard one to answer, but what do you think Quentin
Speaker 6: Tarantino's knock on the performance is?
Speaker 2: I think poor Dano's is an interesting taste. I find
Speaker 2: he can he can come across as a bit whiny.
Speaker 6: It looks a bit like Scott Dooley to me, that
Speaker 6: Scotty comes across a hiss whiny.
Speaker 1: No scottols.
Speaker 2: Ifdels was to give you a a little flat, you know,
Speaker 2: a little a little flat on his hair and just
Speaker 2: brush it forward a bit. Yeah, I always liked Paul that.
Speaker 2: You would have seen him in a little in the Sunshine.
Speaker 2: He's one of his big roles. He's been in lots
Speaker 2: of stuff. He's extraordinarily talented. I think some I think
Speaker 2: he go he does, he does go over the top.
Speaker 2: He's more ground that that character for the most part,
Speaker 2: is more grounded. It feels like in reality only because
Speaker 2: we don't know too many Carris, you know, Daniel plain View,
Speaker 2: so I like it more naturalistic.
Speaker 6: I think, Yeah, I liked it because evangelicists a strange bunch,
Speaker 6: and I'm frightened of them, like like the the you know,
Speaker 6: and there's a weird church, that sect that has this
Speaker 6: person that's that, and they often are these cult leaders
Speaker 6: are often weak people hiding behind the position of power.
Speaker 6: And I felt like he puts on that act really
Speaker 6: well in the church scenes and makes everyone thing, but
Speaker 6: he is a weasel behind the scenes and he is timid,
Speaker 6: but he you know, it's like the small man syndrome.
Speaker 6: But he has this power because he's the church.
Speaker 1: Leader, and he has his plan straight away.
Speaker 2: That's scene we listened to before, and I think I
Speaker 2: think playing View sees it straight away.
Speaker 1: He says, oh, that's good, that is good. So he
Speaker 1: knows he sees him. He knows that he is a
Speaker 1: false prophet.
Speaker 2: And what's great about the whole thing is that Daniel
Speaker 2: Plainview is a false prophet as well. I mean he's lying,
Speaker 2: you know, he's pretending he is his son, he's a
Speaker 2: family man.
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not these things. But I think I
Speaker 1: think Eli is a bigger hypocrite, yes, than what Daniel
Speaker 1: Plainview is.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and I really enjoyed that plain View didn't succumb
Speaker 6: to him ever, Really the fact that he knocked him about,
Speaker 6: but he could bring him undown. I always felt, though,
Speaker 6: in the back of my mind, that the whole village
Speaker 6: was starting to fall in love with this church and
Speaker 6: their leader. And so even though this guy was a
Speaker 6: bit of a scrawny snake, he had this power the
Speaker 6: whole time over Plainview. Plainview needed the village to be
Speaker 6: operating and wanting him there, so he's oil, the minds
Speaker 6: could continue to work, the workers were there and helping
Speaker 6: out and this guy was in charge of the village
Speaker 6: the church, you know, and so eli that is I
Speaker 6: found that an interesting parallel. It happens in life all
Speaker 6: the time. And the church has a lot of power,
Speaker 6: as we see quite often, and power to change laws
Speaker 6: and so on, because and see there's these people in
Speaker 6: these heads that do have this power, which is scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Fine, And I think that that played out really.
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and I think having I like that poor
Speaker 2: Dano is a completely physical shape. Yes to Daniel day
Speaker 2: Lewis that not only does Daniel da Lewis see him,
Speaker 2: and I think once he sees him and realizes I
Speaker 2: don't believe you, then like he also can look at
Speaker 2: him physically and go, you are I kind of find
Speaker 2: you pathetic. So then when he has a succumb later
Speaker 2: on and he like when he with the baptism scene
Speaker 2: which will have a listen to in a second, but
Speaker 2: you you kind of go, how humiliating it is and
Speaker 2: this is how much but this is how much Daniel
Speaker 2: playing view wants to you know, how how ambitious and
Speaker 2: how greedy is.
Speaker 1: He's willing to go through this huge public humiliator humiliation.
Speaker 2: There's a main one of my favorite shots in the
Speaker 2: whole film, a lot of the shots of the long
Speaker 2: Paul Thoma Sendson does. These long shots on scene is
Speaker 2: a term you'll hear it. It means longer shots with
Speaker 2: less cuts. And and one of my favorite shots is
Speaker 2: when Paul Dano or Eli is getting the devil out
Speaker 2: of the older woman and he's.
Speaker 1: Like, get out, devil, get out, get out.
Speaker 2: And we kind of follow the cameras in front of
Speaker 2: Paul Eli and we follow it and he's get out
Speaker 2: and he's almost doing this devil voice and get out.
Speaker 2: And then and then it cuts back into the church
Speaker 2: and we see Daniel Plainville and like Eli has got
Speaker 2: his hands like in a christ like pose, and he says,
Speaker 2: the devil has left or devil is down and cuts
Speaker 2: the thing you're playing for you smiling and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: the Devil's still in your church.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It is such a brilliant shot. Yes, I love it
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: But those baptism scenes, so you have you have earlier,
Speaker 2: I think once the accident happens, you have Daniel day
Speaker 2: Lewis kind of giving his own baptism to Eli, putting
Speaker 2: his face in the model of beating him, slapping him
Speaker 2: apparently they shot that one day the very next day
Speaker 2: to give the give Paul Dana the chance to you know,
Speaker 2: like Daniel Delo was back.
Speaker 1: They shot that.
Speaker 2: They shone back to back, and that was deliberately. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lovely, really thoughtful I think touch because you know,
Speaker 2: like they weren't choreographed scenes. They were like physical, you know,
Speaker 2: physical scenes. And I don't imagine Daniel Alois holds back necessarily,
Speaker 2: you know, as much as you can. So then so
Speaker 2: let's have him listen to the baptism saying I want
Speaker 2: to ask you about and after we have a listen.
Speaker 4: Daniel, you've come here and you've brought good and wealth,
Speaker 4: but you have also brought your bad habits as a backslider.
Speaker 8: You've lusted after women, and you have abandon your child,
Speaker 8: your child that you raised, you have abandon all because
Speaker 8: he was sick, and you have sinned. So say it now,
Speaker 8: I am a sinner, and say it, louder. I am
Speaker 8: a I'm a sinner, Louder, Daniel, I am a sinner.
Speaker 5: I am a sinner.
Speaker 6: I am sorry, Lord, I am sorry.
Speaker 2: Lord.
Speaker 4: I want the blood.
Speaker 1: I want the blood.
Speaker 2: You have abandoned your child.
Speaker 5: I've abandoned my child.
Speaker 8: I will never backslide.
Speaker 6: I will never backslide.
Speaker 8: It was lost, but now I am foul lost.
Speaker 6: But now I'm fine.
Speaker 8: I have abandoned my child. Shad, Shad, I've abandoned my child.
Speaker 8: Say it louder, Say it louder.
Speaker 7: I've abandoned my child. I've abandoned my child. I've abandoned
Speaker 7: my blood. You beg for the blood, Give me the
Speaker 7: bloody light. Let me get out of here, Give me
Speaker 7: the blood, Lord and let me get away. Do you
Speaker 7: accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 9: I do.
Speaker 6: Get out of her devil devil out.
Speaker 1: Several judge the relation.
Speaker 8: Is spirit your guy?
Speaker 2: How much do you think is is just performance from
Speaker 2: Daniel playing for you? And how much is him actually
Speaker 2: repenting for what he's actually done?
Speaker 6: I think great question to go back a step for everybody.
Speaker 6: Daniel playfoo gives up his child, so we didn't really
Speaker 6: capture that. H W who is I think he absolutely loved.
Speaker 6: But when the mining accident means that he loses his hearing,
Speaker 6: HW lose his hearing, it became too difficult.
Speaker 1: I mean HW did try to set fire to the house.
Speaker 2: Well, Daniel was sleeping with Henry in or rebellious act
Speaker 2: towards Henry, which you could read in a number of ways.
Speaker 1: One that he was just.
Speaker 2: Felt threatened by you know, like Henry's now Daniel's favorite toy.
Speaker 1: Or that he knew he was.
Speaker 6: I I found this a really difficult thing to work
Speaker 6: out how to feel. We know how driven he is
Speaker 6: for success, how much self worth he gets out of
Speaker 6: his work, and then a child that is now can't
Speaker 6: hear he can't actually share that with and is being
Speaker 6: really problematic a delinquent. It's the send away part. I mean,
Speaker 6: you should never do it, but it's one of those.
Speaker 6: Really that was a reckon, really tough one for his
Speaker 6: for that character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never found like an easy thing for him
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 6: No, he didn't think it was easy. But also in
Speaker 6: particularly that era and or even just fifty years ago,
Speaker 6: kids sent away all the time, boarding schools kind of it.
Speaker 6: So I think he found it really hard that he
Speaker 6: did that. I think he did feel sorry, he did
Speaker 6: want to repent for it, but the last place he
Speaker 6: wanted to do it was in that Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think he went there not thinking he
Speaker 2: was going to this was going to be a performance,
Speaker 2: But I think throughout it he actually decided to let
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and when the moment where and we heard just
Speaker 6: then where he paused and say that was the moment
Speaker 6: where he's like, you're humiliating me. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 6: don't need this from you, Eli, And then he cracks
Speaker 6: and actually I think you hear in his voice and
Speaker 6: his tones like I have done the wrong thing. But
Speaker 6: there's that pause where he almost goes, you can go
Speaker 6: down two paths, and you wonder is he going to
Speaker 6: give up on this whole act to endear himself back
Speaker 6: to the village.
Speaker 2: And I ever think by the time that scene was
Speaker 2: in the back of that dialogue we just heard, he's
Speaker 2: almost regretted letting that out. I don't think it necessarily
Speaker 2: repents and then kind of is like, Okay, I'm glad
Speaker 2: I repent it. It's like, ah, I let that out.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit embarrassed by it. And then he
Speaker 2: kind of like sees that the church goers or in
Speaker 2: the communities all around him. So I think maybe then
Speaker 2: it's it's a little bit of like Okay, this could work.
Speaker 2: Business goes exactly, So there's like there's a whole lot
Speaker 2: of there's a whole lot of stuff going on in
Speaker 2: that scene, I think, and this is, you know, the
Speaker 2: more I do a little bit of acting, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take it a little bit more seriously each time.
Speaker 2: The more you learn about you know, you don't want
Speaker 2: any performance in the scene. There's to be a flat line.
Speaker 2: You want it to be you want it to have
Speaker 2: these little you know, ebbs and flows within the scene.
Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, I mean, there's no
Speaker 2: better person to witness that than Daniel day Lewison, and
Speaker 2: he does that in this scene.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 6: Very excited for the next season of How to Stay
Speaker 6: Make considering that you're taking on the Daniel Dale little compairing.
Speaker 1: Comparing myself to the scene where I take there my
Speaker 1: daughter's bowling.
Speaker 2: Goes a little takes a few twists and turns at
Speaker 2: the local AMF. I want to listen to another scene actually,
Speaker 2: which actually I think we're doing this slightly out of order,
Speaker 2: but this is where Daniel actually has the chat to
Speaker 2: his brother, and you know, it's it's one of the
Speaker 2: very few moments where he's I think, speaking honestly about
Speaker 2: what he really wants and how he feels about other people.
Speaker 9: I see the worst of people, Henry. I don't need
Speaker 9: to look past seeing them to get all I need.
Speaker 9: I build up my hatreds over the years, little by
Speaker 9: little work. Having you here, it gives me a second
Speaker 9: breath life.
Speaker 6: I can't keep doing this on my own.
Speaker 1: With these son people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's, it's, it's it's it's a love that scene,
Speaker 2: because it really comes, it's it's almost him vulnerable. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a weird kind of speech to the kind of
Speaker 2: deny vulnerability. But I think he's sharing when it sets
Speaker 2: up where he's going to end up, as far as
Speaker 2: he just wants to be alone and he wants to
Speaker 2: be you know, he becomes that Howardhawk's kind of character
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 6: But it says to me again, and this happens to
Speaker 6: a lot of people along their journey, is the run
Speaker 6: to the top is kind of much easier a breeze,
Speaker 6: because you know where you need to get to once
Speaker 6: and then once you're there, if someone will take it
Speaker 6: away from me. And and so the fact that he
Speaker 6: says I see the worst in people. I think he
Speaker 6: always did, but it's now more and more people that
Speaker 6: he doesn't trust, and as it gets bigger, there's more
Speaker 6: and more people that could deceive him, and he's on
Speaker 6: his own. He's absolutely feeling very vulnerable.
Speaker 2: And at the time, you could also imagine the gold
Speaker 2: Rush to the oil rush, you know, like like there
Speaker 2: were people who like there were people who wanted to
Speaker 2: be him. They wanted to take that from him. They
Speaker 2: wanted to in the same way he did it to
Speaker 2: other people with their land. People are going to come
Speaker 2: for him. So his paren oya is justified, yes.
Speaker 6: Totally, totally, And so the fact that his brother who's
Speaker 6: not his brother, comes along would have been such a relief.
Speaker 6: And you see that. You see that actually with people
Speaker 6: making bad points, small businesses so on, when it's all
Speaker 6: become too much, they get a manager. And it's normally
Speaker 6: that anyone who pitches well at that point, even if
Speaker 6: they don't care about the resume. It's like, I'm seeing
Speaker 6: it as a chance for me to just share some
Speaker 6: of the load, you know. Yeah, I've had friends do
Speaker 6: this where I'm like, why did you employ that person?
Speaker 6: Is like at the time, I just had a kid
Speaker 6: and I just needed to share the load. Now, don't bitter,
Speaker 6: but you get you get why, because I always thought
Speaker 6: if he's been so distrusting, how come he's just loving
Speaker 6: his brother so quickly. Yeah, I think, like you mentioned
Speaker 6: earlier in the podcast, he's desperate to share the load. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and he can't do it with his son because he
Speaker 6: sent him away. And so yeah, he's just he's kind
Speaker 6: of there and wants it, wants it to be true.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's been really open and I think only
Speaker 2: the really time you've seen him laugh and you know,
Speaker 2: share a laugh with somebody and it's not it's not
Speaker 2: a classic.
Speaker 1: Human but it's but it's there. So they get HW back.
Speaker 2: There's a great scene in that kind of fancy restaurant
Speaker 2: where those kind of other investors have come and the
Speaker 2: ones that he kind of he knocked back and he
Speaker 2: threatened to cut their throat because he was offering advice
Speaker 2: about family. Or he wasn't really offering advice. I think
Speaker 2: he was just asking about family and he took that
Speaker 2: the wrong way. But it's it's again another master class
Speaker 2: because there's not a lot of dialogue, but it's just
Speaker 2: like Daniel de Lewis. Then you're playing viewers with HW
Speaker 2: at the restaurant. They order, so I think some goat's
Speaker 2: milk and a whiskey, and and then the other Oil
Speaker 2: guys come in and the way that serves them before
Speaker 2: they he brings over. So Daniel gets up and gets
Speaker 2: the whiskey in the goats mik off the bar and
Speaker 2: he says that, you know, we ordered this.
Speaker 1: Before, which is still happening today in fit Troy.
Speaker 2: And then and then he's just most of it is
Speaker 2: just him looking over and wondering whether he's going to
Speaker 2: get up and say something, and that's the contempt he has.
Speaker 2: And eventually he does get up and you know, and says,
Speaker 2: you know that they surely embarrassed because he's made the
Speaker 2: big deal with Union Oil.
Speaker 1: I think it is. But again it's just the.
Speaker 2: Silence of the scene or you know, the lack of
Speaker 2: dialogue and the scene that's just the look on Daniel
Speaker 2: d Lewis's face as he looks over is just amazing
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's it's to me, that's again the greed,
Speaker 6: like he feels like he's got everything, but he wants
Speaker 6: everyone to know he's got everything. Like It's it's funny
Speaker 6: though that that character he plays so well where he
Speaker 6: should be in control because he's doing so well, but
Speaker 6: he feels out of control almost constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's an interesting.
Speaker 2: Eli mentions during the baptism scene where I think he says,
Speaker 2: you've brought some good, You've brought some good to this town,
Speaker 2: but you've also brought like some evil things, and he
Speaker 2: mentions womanizing, which we never actually see. And I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if that was cut from the script or the
Speaker 2: or the the edit, but I kind of like that.
Speaker 2: I kind of liked that he wasn't a womanizer as such.
Speaker 6: I agree, yeah, he whether they're referencing where he went
Speaker 6: with his brother to the prostitutes, and again you don't
Speaker 6: even necessarily know they're there at brothel. But then his
Speaker 6: brother comes and goes, can I have some money? And
Speaker 6: there's a girl laughing in the background. Can I grab
Speaker 6: some money? And then that girl keeps laughing and he
Speaker 6: gives his brother some money. That was again they don't
Speaker 6: you don't see anything. That's all you see, and you're
Speaker 6: left again to go. Oh, I guess they're at a brothel.
Speaker 6: I guess Daniel's there because his brother wanted to go.
Speaker 6: Now Daniel's paying for it, Like it doesn't look like
Speaker 6: he's participating, but he's still allowing it for his brother.
Speaker 6: Like it was a really interesting scene. So I wondered
Speaker 6: whether that was something that because you don't see like
Speaker 6: and whether he felt like he's being unfairly tird with
Speaker 6: that womanizing cut thing. I don't see it anywhere else.
Speaker 2: No, No, which I really like. Let's get to the
Speaker 2: famous ending. So Daniels he's got his big mansion that
Speaker 2: he always wanted. He's living the Howard Hughes life. And
Speaker 2: the first visit he gets, well, first we see I
Speaker 2: think he's shooting furniture in the hallway, which almost if
Speaker 2: we've ever done.
Speaker 6: We actually did.
Speaker 1: I said that I thought it would have surprised me.
Speaker 9: You have.
Speaker 6: Hamish bought a BB gun at Walmart when we're on
Speaker 6: the caravan of Courage and we were setting up pillows
Speaker 6: in the hotel room and Haynes had a shot and
Speaker 6: I'm like, it doesn't it didn't seem like a tit
Speaker 6: pillow like the big curtains and so on, and we
Speaker 6: drew back the curtains and it completely shattered the entire
Speaker 6: window and it didn't stop our BB gun exploits for
Speaker 6: the whole trip, and we ended up in this this
Speaker 6: in Hollywood. I think, yeah, we're going to do the
Speaker 6: Caravan and Carriage show from Out and Out in Lost
Speaker 6: Bag and Los Angeles. And we have stay at this
Speaker 6: place called the Park Hotel. And we were by the
Speaker 6: pool one day as we're waiting for the edit to
Speaker 6: be completed, and this girl's saying, oh, I'm I just
Speaker 6: got signed by Jay Z. I'm going to be a singer.
Speaker 6: And we're like, oh, yeah, of course, like everybody else,
Speaker 6: this British girl and and so we said, Hames like, oh,
Speaker 6: we've been firing Bebe guns and she she came down
Speaker 6: and we were firing these bb guns again into like
Speaker 6: different pillows and so on.
Speaker 1: That's rita Aura, I was guessing.
Speaker 6: But as we were checking out, they came and they said, hey,
Speaker 6: you I was for all the upholstery of her. And
Speaker 6: we're like all right, and Hames like all right, sure,
Speaker 6: how bad is it? And they pulled out a pillow
Speaker 6: and just shook it and all the BBS were still
Speaker 6: in its chininking around like yeah, we'll pay for that.
Speaker 1: Fair cool.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 6: But we tried to give half the bill to rita
Speaker 6: Ura when she came on the radio show like ten
Speaker 6: years later she remember she didn't remember, and then we
Speaker 6: showed her photos and she's like, well, I was there,
Speaker 6: and then she I think she did that thing where
Speaker 6: she pretended she remembers, but I don't need remember.
Speaker 1: How crazy is you? Laugh at you?
Speaker 2: You you clearly remember shooting BB guns in a in
Speaker 2: a hotel room or it doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: How many crazy nights have you had?
Speaker 2: You don't remember shooting BB guns in the hotel furniture exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's happening. He doesn't need to pay any and to.
Speaker 6: Jump forward again, isn't it. So that's what again, that's
Speaker 6: what I think.
Speaker 2: It's possibly the much jarring jump forward because you go
Speaker 2: from him in the oil fields and then for the
Speaker 2: first time you're obvious see where he lives in a
Speaker 2: way like you know, like you get the scope of
Speaker 2: his residents.
Speaker 6: And I at the time, I was kind of excited
Speaker 6: for him to build that huge pipeline and have that
Speaker 6: idea to avoid the shipping costs. We build a pipeline.
Speaker 6: You see it starting, And obviously it worked, yeah, because
Speaker 6: the next thing you see him in a mansion and.
Speaker 1: Turned out okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But I suppose I was left wanting to see
Speaker 6: a bit of that, like, you know, because that was
Speaker 6: such an amazing thing to like a foresight to build
Speaker 6: a whole pipeline so you don't have to use the
Speaker 6: trains and all that kind of stuff which those other
Speaker 6: people had a monopoly on. And then just to him
Speaker 6: upset in a well not upset but just kind of
Speaker 6: lonely in a mansion, you realize it worked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I love that they use that tool, but I also like, oh,
Speaker 6: I would have liked to have seen a celebration I suppose,
Speaker 6: and we never really get one for whole again.
Speaker 2: Again, no, again, it's a reason we bleak film in
Speaker 2: a way, and port Rams Anderson doesn't give you those
Speaker 2: moments that you might expect. No, like you know, seeing
Speaker 2: him crawl, you know you're right. And he obviously has
Speaker 2: a lot of success in his life.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, well there's obviously different messions of success, but
Speaker 6: the things he was trying to achieve he obviously achieved.
Speaker 6: We never get a satisfied moment, It just jumps to
Speaker 6: the next. We get all the troubles, yeah, but we
Speaker 6: never get there's never one that resolves in and well done.
Speaker 2: And the one opportunity they have is when maybe HW
Speaker 2: comes back and you think, well, this could be the light,
Speaker 2: this could be Yeah, it's older. He's married to the
Speaker 2: Sunday daughter who Daniel had spoken to earlier about the hitting,
Speaker 2: and that's going stop that they they marry here here
Speaker 2: rives and you think, okay, this could be an opportunity
Speaker 2: to you know, humanize Dan. You'll play with you. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It doesn't necessarily go that way. He is
Speaker 2: played older. HW is played by Russell Harbott, who is
Speaker 2: deaf and the actor is deaf. So let's have a
Speaker 2: listen to that scene.
Speaker 5: I should have known that under this, all these pastures,
Speaker 5: you've been building your hate for.
Speaker 1: Me, piece by peace.
Speaker 5: I don't even know who you are because you have
Speaker 5: none of me, and you you're someone else's this anger,
Speaker 5: your maliciousness, backward dealings with me. You're a boy from
Speaker 5: from a basket in the middle of the desert. Am
Speaker 5: I looking for no other reason than I needed a
Speaker 5: sweet face to buy land?
Speaker 8: Did you get that?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 9: No, you know.
Speaker 8: Look at me.
Speaker 1: You're lower than a bastard.
Speaker 2: So HW has informed into him that he's going to
Speaker 2: set up his own company in Mexico.
Speaker 1: He's not supportive, he's immediately.
Speaker 6: It's awful, isn't it.
Speaker 1: You are my competition, now you are my rival.
Speaker 6: You're right. I thought it was a chance for him
Speaker 6: to go well done son, Yeah yeah, but he went
Speaker 6: you're not my son.
Speaker 1: He does the opposite of that.
Speaker 6: I kind of got. So this seems amazing because HW
Speaker 6: can't speak or can't hear, so he's using a sign
Speaker 6: through and he's actually signing back and there's an interpreter
Speaker 6: there that's kind of having the conversation. So the scene
Speaker 6: is amazing. But I get the feeling that when the
Speaker 6: interpreter and HW were leaving the meeting, they would have gone, well,
Speaker 6: that really didn't go that well.
Speaker 1: For everything they would have hoped before.
Speaker 6: It was. It was as bad a meeting as a
Speaker 6: son could have hopedul Dad disowns him, gives him no
Speaker 6: bless you, calls him a bustard, and I that was
Speaker 6: where I was at.
Speaker 1: Mind.
Speaker 6: That was the saddest I was in the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really sad, because I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you're probably hoping for, yeah, maybe some some pride, and
Speaker 2: you know, I forget how I felt when I first
Speaker 2: saw it, but I'm not completely sure over thought that
Speaker 2: was coming but you know, if you look at it
Speaker 2: as if this was actually really happening, yeah, some pride.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need any advice, son, you know, Can I
Speaker 1: help you out? Can I help get you started?
Speaker 6: Can I give you a one from from our own lives?
Speaker 6: So we did joint productions with Roving Enterprises, which obviously
Speaker 6: you were deep in the in the road game and
Speaker 6: Radio Karateias. We will do with co pros for two years,
Speaker 6: maybe even a bit longer. And we came to Roving
Speaker 6: and said, hey, guys, we want to go by ourselves now, right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: And I was really daunted for that meeting. Thankfully it
Speaker 6: didn't go the way it went. There will be blood
Speaker 6: where you're not my Sonny.
Speaker 2: I heard Hamish was signing. It was weird, yeah, language, No,
Speaker 2: it was like we thought, we thought this day would come.
Speaker 2: Anything you need let us know, and you go, oh,
Speaker 2: what a relief. And then you've got a great working
Speaker 2: relationship ongoing and a chance to be in each other's
Speaker 2: lives essentially. Now obviously that's a minor thing, but in
Speaker 2: this instance, that was the opportunity for Daniel play, for
Speaker 2: you to go.
Speaker 6: I thought this day would come. You've grown up, you've
Speaker 6: learned everything you needed to for me. It's time for
Speaker 6: you to spread your own wings. And if you need
Speaker 6: any help, I'd love to be there. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: lost any bit of love for Daniel Playview that I
Speaker 6: had any benefit of the doubt that I was giving him.
Speaker 6: I lost it all in this scene and I just
Speaker 6: wanted him to fail. And from then on in there
Speaker 6: were times where I'm like, oh, that could be redeeming.
Speaker 6: Oh that was tough. That was this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then he has a second visit. He has Eli
Speaker 2: come to visit, the devil in the shiny suit. He
Speaker 2: comes but tending to be a friend or well, he's
Speaker 2: acting like a friend with a promise or an opportunity.
Speaker 1: He's wrapping it up. As for Daniel Playview, let's see
Speaker 1: how that plays out.
Speaker 4: You're just after birthy life slithered out on your mother's
Speaker 4: felt fur.
Speaker 6: They should have put you in a glass door.
Speaker 8: On a mantle piece.
Speaker 5: Where were you when Paul was suckling at his mother's
Speaker 5: teeth day? Where were you who was nursing you?
Speaker 6: Poorie?
Speaker 5: Lie on a Bandit sounds that Land has been had.
Speaker 5: Nothing you can do about his God's hat.
Speaker 8: If you would you take this lease dead.
Speaker 4: Drain it drainy, lie, you boy, drain dried.
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 8: If you have a milkshake and I have a milkshake and.
Speaker 5: I have a straw, there it is, that's the straw.
Speaker 8: See watching.
Speaker 4: My soul reaches a crouls room and starts to drink
Speaker 4: your milkshak.
Speaker 5: I drink your milkshake.
Speaker 6: I drink it up.
Speaker 4: Don't buy me CAUs.
Speaker 1: He goes shape from them. Yeah, did you did you?
Speaker 9: Like? You know?
Speaker 1: A lot of found the third act jarring? Did you did?
Speaker 6: You can't say I loved the ending.
Speaker 1: I felt like.
Speaker 6: I just didn't think he was a murderer, and I
Speaker 6: didn't think he needed to be murder even though we
Speaker 6: know he's shot. But he shot his brother who was
Speaker 6: not his brother, who was being deeply deceitful, and he
Speaker 6: was out in the middle of nowhere, and it felt
Speaker 6: like that kind of stuff happened in the turn of
Speaker 6: the century. But I never thought him as a cold
Speaker 6: blooded murderer, and so I was surprised that he did.
Speaker 6: They showed that he'd gone completely mad, but I felt
Speaker 6: like he'd got the better of Eli. In the end,
Speaker 6: he realized that he Eli had nothing they both kind
Speaker 6: of found themselves in the word position of all and
Speaker 6: he didn't need to bludge it.
Speaker 2: No, I mean certainly, I mean for someone who's not
Speaker 2: a murderer, I'm surprised he did that, but you know.
Speaker 6: What I mean, like it didn't well my take on
Speaker 6: it is and.
Speaker 2: I was really shocked at the first time I saw it,
Speaker 2: and I had to sit with it for a while,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think, I I've gotten more the
Speaker 2: more i'll watch it, and I really like, I kind
Speaker 2: of love the ending now. So I think from that
Speaker 2: scene we listened to earlier where he's when Eli asked
Speaker 2: at the ten thousand dollars get his church, Daniel knows
Speaker 2: that this guy is not the real deal, and he
Speaker 2: can see see through him, and he kind of immediately
Speaker 2: hates him, even to the point where Eli asks if
Speaker 2: he's gonna say his name so he can bless it
Speaker 2: the mind, and he does, and he doesn't do it
Speaker 2: like I love that, and he's just he's just standing
Speaker 2: there waiting for him to be called, and he blesses
Speaker 2: it himself, like these two just go to war. He sees,
Speaker 2: he knows that Eli is a fraud. He's not going
Speaker 2: to get get a little way away with it. And
Speaker 2: not only is he a fraud as far as maybe
Speaker 2: the way he's monetizing the church, but he's also then
Speaker 2: starts getting into the oil game because he goes he
Speaker 2: goes off to I think three areas and this is
Speaker 2: you know, this is one of those things he easily missed.
Speaker 2: But so before we got to get to the end,
Speaker 2: we see Daniel basically at the train station saying goodbye
Speaker 2: to some people. He's going off to three areas that
Speaker 2: are oil rich land and he's going to invest some
Speaker 2: of the money to make himself wealthier. So when he
Speaker 2: goes hat in hand, well he doesn't go hat in
Speaker 2: hand originally. He actually goes almost looking like he's there
Speaker 2: to help Daniel. Here he finds sleeping in the bowling
Speaker 2: alley in the you know, get the bumper lanes up
Speaker 2: playing view, and he tries to convince him that you know,
Speaker 2: we're friends, you know, like we are friends, and where
Speaker 2: I have an opportunity for you, until Daniel breaks it
Speaker 2: down and basically he reduces Eli to a bit of
Speaker 2: a blubbering a mess. I want to ask you, first
Speaker 2: of all, when there's so much to listen to, so
Speaker 2: we can't play at all. But Daniel does get Eli
Speaker 2: to repent in the same way that he had repented
Speaker 2: in his church earlier. Did you believe in the same
Speaker 2: way that maybe we discussed earlier that Daniel was almost
Speaker 2: genuine in some of his remorse and repenting that did
Speaker 2: you feel Eli was the same way of realizing that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do, but it's that different type of It's
Speaker 6: when someone owns up to doing something before they've been caught,
Speaker 6: versus when someone gets caught and then confesses, they too
Speaker 6: have different meanings. And I feel like for both of them,
Speaker 6: both the characters have been caught out and so they
Speaker 6: do confess, and they at least admit, but it's never
Speaker 6: nearly as strong as if someone comes forth first. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I agree they both had it, but it's kind of
Speaker 6: a little bit too late.
Speaker 2: And I think Daniel he you know, he oil was
Speaker 2: a business, you know, and and and he said his
Speaker 2: sights on that, and he was successful, and he a
Speaker 2: town was born out of it, and who knows how
Speaker 2: many more towns and and and all that, and you know,
Speaker 2: the oil is a controversial subject, obviously, but you know,
Speaker 2: at the time it was a business.
Speaker 1: For him.
Speaker 2: You know where I feel Eli's motivations are more nefarious
Speaker 2: in a way, like what was you know? I mean
Speaker 2: you could say, yes, he provided the church service for
Speaker 2: these people, but it was really always always about him.
Speaker 6: Power and celebrity. Yeah, that's what I kind of saw him.
Speaker 6: He wanted to be important and from like you mentioned,
Speaker 6: from the moment he says, I'd like you to mention
Speaker 6: my name when you open the mind, it's I can
Speaker 6: bless it. Just make sure you mentioned my name and
Speaker 6: call me up. That's that was what's important to him,
Speaker 6: and he didn't have he had he could trick people
Speaker 6: with with the with the illusion of faith, but he
Speaker 6: doesn't have the smarts or enough presence to be a
Speaker 6: natural leader, so he has to rely on kind of
Speaker 6: deceit to get that position. And yeah, even down to
Speaker 6: the very end, like you said, he comes attempting, not
Speaker 6: hat in hand, but attempt to go, hey, I've got
Speaker 6: an opportunity for you. If he had actually come hat
Speaker 6: in hand. Yeah, not to say that that Daniel would
Speaker 6: have gone, okay, I'll help you out, because he doesn't
Speaker 6: seem like that guy.
Speaker 2: No, he turns the screws in and he even points
Speaker 2: out that Paul his brothers, the first time I've heard
Speaker 2: of him since, has actually is succeeding. You know, he
Speaker 2: got paid, you know, he came to Daniel with an
Speaker 2: actual offer or a tip and a business opportunity, and
Speaker 2: he was you know, fairly remunerated. And he's now still
Speaker 2: doing successfully and I think clearing you know, five thousand
Speaker 2: a week or whatever it was, you know, so which hurts.
Speaker 2: He's one of the worst pussible thing he could say
Speaker 2: that Eliah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I it was never going to go well
Speaker 1: for Eli.
Speaker 2: But the fact that he tried to again lie his
Speaker 2: way because those those three places we went where he's
Speaker 2: going to invest it. Obviously he's all turned turned bad
Speaker 2: for him. And when the milkshake line came out, had
Speaker 2: you heard of that, like you're aware of that kind
Speaker 2: of line. It has been kind of parodied a little bit,
Speaker 2: not necessarily it's no, you know it's no.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't know the line. Yeah, it's been in
Speaker 6: sketches or so yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it hasn't become like, you know, a top gun type,
Speaker 1: you know, reverence.
Speaker 2: It's not I feel the need the need for speed
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but it has been parody I
Speaker 2: know Bill Hated did a pretty funny I said a
Speaker 2: love sketch on it once, but yeah, it is quite
Speaker 2: of an iconic line from it. What was your reaction
Speaker 2: to because it's quite it comes out of the blue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and also even just talking of milkshakes seemed bizarre
Speaker 6: that that particular point in time, But it did illustrate
Speaker 6: the point really well, like he was telling a three
Speaker 6: or four year old, you know, like it was belittling
Speaker 6: to Eli, I thought, yeah, but illustrating the point very well.
Speaker 6: Eli's trying to sell him a parcel of land, saying
Speaker 6: there's oil on it, and he's saying, mate, I've drilled
Speaker 6: I've got to own all the surrounding land, have drilled
Speaker 6: down and taken it from underneath you. Yeah, you've got
Speaker 6: nothing there and you don't even know it.
Speaker 2: And what's fascinating about that speech? It was taken because
Speaker 2: this book is from this book from the twenties called Oil,
Speaker 2: but they've only used about it. It's quite a long
Speaker 2: book and they've only used about the first one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty pages and they just make it their own movie.
Speaker 2: I get the impression they're kind of almost regret even
Speaker 2: citing it. They're very keen to point out that it's
Speaker 2: they used like some set up one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: pages and they it becomes its own thing. But there
Speaker 2: was something then your playing view is based on. Well,
Speaker 2: there's some similarities between him and an oil tycoon called
Speaker 2: Edward L.
Speaker 1: Downey.
Speaker 2: They're both from Wisconsin, they both work in Kansas, and
Speaker 2: Edward Downy was investigated for something called the teapot Dome scandal,
Speaker 2: and there was some congressional hearings and this milkshake speech
Speaker 2: really basically, you know, explain how they you know, like
Speaker 2: land is taken and that's how it works, and use
Speaker 2: this milkshake analogy. So as much as it seems like
Speaker 2: a crazy thing that you know, poor Thomas Anderson has written,
Speaker 2: has actually taken from from congressional hearings.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, so it was said at the time, that's fascinating. See,
Speaker 6: that's what I thought. Daniel has belittled him enough. You
Speaker 6: see him, just like Eli could have been kicked out
Speaker 6: the front of the house and been worse off. It's
Speaker 6: hard to say because he gets blooded to death by
Speaker 6: the bowling pin in the head, but I reckon he
Speaker 6: was at rock bottom. He thought this is his one
Speaker 6: way out, he would have even been further down. I didn't.
Speaker 6: I was just surprised he felt the need to kill him, Like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: because because I even Daniel kind of likes people like,
Speaker 6: you know, at being at rock bottom and having the
Speaker 6: better of them. Yeah, Like I thought he would have
Speaker 6: got easily enough satisfaction of just turning him away.
Speaker 2: And I wonder how much of it is the anger
Speaker 2: of what's happening with HW as well boiling over like
Speaker 2: it's just all just it's it's it's all this anger
Speaker 2: is falling off, bubbling to the top now is fascinating.
Speaker 2: We're going to this some fun facts before we wrap
Speaker 2: this up. We love our fun facts here. Andy Lee
Speaker 2: HW was played by a guy called Dylan Freezer. It
Speaker 2: could be Fraser, but I'm he's never acted again. His
Speaker 2: parents were a bit worried about him acting.
Speaker 6: Did Tarantino.
Speaker 1: Absolutely handed.
Speaker 2: His mum had seen Daniel day Lewis in The Gangs
Speaker 2: of New York playing Bill the Butcher and was a
Speaker 2: bit apprehensive about her son maybe not understanding the acting game,
Speaker 2: so they then sent her a copy of Age of Innocence.
Speaker 6: Right, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: That is more like an ivory merchant ivory kind of film.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's tuxedos and ball gowns, and so
Speaker 2: she said, yeah, he said, yes, give you permission now.
Speaker 2: So we've already mentioned some of the fun facts. Actually,
Speaker 2: this is the most ironic of fun facts, and that
Speaker 2: is speaking of milkshakes, the fake oil was actually made
Speaker 2: from the stuff that McDonald's used in their chocolate milkshakes.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, that's bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so's it's fun and it's ironic.
Speaker 1: That is awesome.
Speaker 2: But that's and I think that's I already had a
Speaker 2: couple of fun facts on this one because we've already
Speaker 2: mentioned some of the stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, mate, thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Pleasure.
Speaker 2: This is you know, it's always an investment, whether you're
Speaker 2: watching the ninety minute. The Castle was one of the
Speaker 2: reasons Sampang chose it or a two and a half
Speaker 2: hour top poor Thomas Anderson film.
Speaker 1: I was stoked you chose this because I I do
Speaker 1: love this film.
Speaker 6: Great film, mate, great podcast, Kis.
Speaker 1: Beck, thanks for thanks for your efforts as well.
Speaker 6: Shorter discussion with Beck.
Speaker 2: Thank Bee, Yes radioheads Johnny Greenwood on a stunning score.
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Speaker 2: So Johnny Greenwood missing out on the Oscar nomination he
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Speaker 2: You can keep doing that, but sometimes I won't always
Speaker 2: see them, or i'll see them, then they'll get lost.
Speaker 2: Somebody did contact me via Instagram just to let me
Speaker 2: know that I did get a bit of a fact
Speaker 2: wrong recently, when I chatted the myth and Warhurst and
Speaker 2: we chatted at Magnolia and I have a fine poor
Speaker 2: Thomas Anderson film, I mentioned that Tom Cruise received his
Speaker 2: only Oscar non for Magnolia. That was incorrect, and as
Speaker 2: soon as he pointed out and I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: I should have known this. Tom Cruise was also nominated
Speaker 2: for Born on the fourth of July. We played wrong
Speaker 2: Kovac returning from the Vietnam War. It was a wonderful performance,
Speaker 2: and he was nominated for that, so I do apologize.
Speaker 2: I think he was also nominated for Tropic Thunder weirdly,
Speaker 2: so I I apologize. He was also nominated for Jerry McGuire,
Speaker 2: so maybe he didn't wasn't nominated for Tropic Thunder he
Speaker 2: should have been.
Speaker 1: He should have been.
Speaker 2: But he was definitely nominated for Jerry McGuire and Born
Speaker 2: the fourth of July, so thank you for pointing that out.
Speaker 2: I just want to add one more thing about Andy Lee.
Speaker 2: He does quite a lot of philanthropic work, and he's
Speaker 2: doing some really important work with Oxfam and cotton On
Speaker 2: at the moment where they are trying to raise money
Speaker 2: and get enough vaccines. I think there are after a
Speaker 2: million vaccines to send to countries in the world that
Speaker 2: are struggling to get on top of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: So if you want to help, I don't actually.
Speaker 2: Have all the details on me, but just the follow Andy,
Speaker 2: or go to Oxfam or cotton On and find out
Speaker 2: it's basically buying tope bags and cotton On and all
Speaker 2: the proceeds go to providing vaccines to those who who
Speaker 2: need it most, because we're not all safe until everybody's safe.
Speaker 2: So what I'm Andy for getting on board with that
Speaker 2: really great endeavor next week on the show, it's a
Speaker 2: big one. My second wife. When I say my second wife,
Speaker 2: I mean my TV wife from How to Stay Married,
Speaker 2: Australia's TV Golden Girl four gold logis, which I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure it might be a record. Maybe Kylie Minogue has
Speaker 2: her pecked. I'll need to check that. But Lisa mckewne,
Speaker 2: the fantastic, brilliant Lisa McCune will be joining me on
Speaker 2: the show next week to chat about Stanley Kubrick's war
Speaker 2: masterpiece Full Metal Jacket. Yes, I know what you're thinking. Finally,
Speaker 2: Lisa mckun talks about Full Metal. I cannot wait to
Speaker 2: watch it. I have not watched it in years, and
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to find what Lisa thinks of it.
Speaker 2: She is an absolute gem. I'm sure we're gonna have
Speaker 2: a great chat and I can't wait for you to
Speaker 2: join us for that. Until then, Bye for now, and
Speaker 2: so we
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