1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Good morning everybody, and welcome to the Daily OS. It 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: is the third of November. I hope those who had 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: a public holiday yesterday had a good one yesterday around 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: the country. In Victoria we were under one thousand cases 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: nine hundred and eighty nine new cases of COVID nineteen. 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: New South Wales was one hundred and seventy three and 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: in the Act there were eight cases of COVID. It 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: was the first Tuesday of the month yesterday. So the 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: RBA had some news for us on interest rates, Zara, 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: What did they tell us? 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 2: So, the RBA maintained the nation's cash rate at zero 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: point one percent and this is the twelfth month in 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: a row that that's happened. As the expert on all 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: things cash ratesam, what does that actually mean? 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: It means that the RBA is still happy for the 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: Australian economy to continue to grow and recover from the 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic. Interestingly, they'd previously said they would not 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: move interest rates until twenty twenty four. They went back 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: on that guarantee yesterday and said that an interest rate 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: hike could be on the horizon. 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: And that was all based on comment that the Governor 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Philip Lowe said, which was that the economy is expected 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: to bounce back relatively quickly and the RBA is actually 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: expecting that the economy will experience three percent growth this 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: year alone. 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: In Victorian politics, Victorian Liberal leader Matthew Guy has advised 27 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: Tim Smith not to contest the next state election after 28 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: the Victorian MP crashed his car while over the legal 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: blood alcohol limit on the weekend. Guys said quote, this 30 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: has potentially cost him his career and you would expect 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: anyone in that position to not just be remorseful, but 32 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: certainly very sorry for what has occurred. 33 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: The global death told from COVID nineteen has surpassed five million. 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: The US alone has recorded more than seven hundred and 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: forty five thousand deaths since the beginning of the pandemic 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: and now, according to the Associated Press, COVID nineteen is 37 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: the third leading cause of death after heart disease and stroke. 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: And in today's good news, the New South Wales government 39 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: has brought forward new freedoms for fully vaccinated peaple in 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: the state. From Monday, the eighth of November. There will 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: be no limit on household gatherings, no rules for outdoor 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: gatherings with fewer than one thousand people, nightclubs will reopen 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: with dancing permitted, and businesses will be able to move 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: to the one person per two square meter rule. The 45 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: most popular show on Netflix in twenty twenty one, In fact, 46 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: the most popular show on Netflix of all time is 47 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: South Korean drama Squid Game. There's been a few different 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: moments where Squid Game has spilled into our real world. 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: I did notice a massive version of the Red Light 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Green Light Doll on Sydney Harbor this week. But now 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: we have a different type of intersection between the show 52 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: and the real world on our hands, and it's an 53 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: economic one. A crypto coin was released online. The coin 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: was called squid and it was based on the popular 55 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: Netflix show. It climbed above three thy seven hundred and 56 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: ninety five Australian dollars, surging by three hundred and ten 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: thousand percent in a matter of hours. However, within a 58 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: five minute period, the coin lost all its value. To 59 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: talk us through exactly how this happened, what it says 60 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: about the state of cryptocurrencies at the moment, and particularly cryptomnia, 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: We've got tech reporter Mariah Lattice on the line Mariah, 62 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: how on Earth did so many people fall for what 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: looks like a scam? 64 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 3: So this cryptocurrency had been around since October, and as 65 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: you said, Sam, it saw significant popularity on Monday of 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: this week, where it had climbed to a three hundred 67 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: and ten thousand percent increase within the matter of hours, 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: so dramatic increase, and then within that five minute window 69 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: that you mentioned, it had plunged to a value of zero. 70 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: Twitter actually had caught on to this unusual activity that 71 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: was occurring with this cryptocurrency and actually suspended the account 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: of the apparent creator of this token. And there was 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: further unusual activity with the website of this squid currencyquid cryptocurrency, 74 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: so the website vanished completely gone off the Internet. People 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: are dubbing what has happened a scam, and they're attributing 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: this specific scam as what is known as a rug 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: pool maneuver. So when people speak of a rug pool 78 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 3: or rug pool maneuver, what they're referring to is when 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: the creator of a specific token or a cryptocurrency, when 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: they sell all of their token assets and they sell 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: it for FA currency, so like AUD or USD, when 82 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: they exchange it for money that then causes the cryptocurrency 83 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: or the token to crash, and so it is believed 84 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: that what happened specifically with this squid currency is what 85 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: is known as a. 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: Rug pool, and so it sounds like the creators have 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: run off with about three point five million US dollars. 88 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: To go back a few steps, especially for listeners who 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: might not be familiar with crypto or squid game, Let's 90 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: say you really love any TV show, why would you 91 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: buy a crypto currency of that TV show? 92 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: As we know, cryptocurrencies for the most part of the 93 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: world can't be used as an actual currency. Of course, 94 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: there are exceptions, but people tend to use them often 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: as means of investment, and specifically with what appeared with 96 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: this squid token, usually we would dub tokens like this 97 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: an old coin, where they are typically small currencies and 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: they're not one of those bigger cryptocurrencies like bitcoin. And so, 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: with the attached popularity of the squid Game Netflix TV 100 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: show that in itself created this significant amounts of height 101 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: associated with this cryptocurrency, So that, coupled with the general 102 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: overall hype of cryptocurrencies and the popularity of the TV show, 103 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: had this exacerbated hype, and I actually spoke to a 104 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: psychologist from the University of Adelaide called Professor del Fabreau, 105 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: and Professor del Fabreu explained to me that when the 106 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: price of these coins, whether it's a super popular one 107 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: like Bitcoin, or a well known coin like Bitcoin, or 108 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: even an old coin like squid, what happens is this 109 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: phase called the mania phase, and that this happens where 110 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: social media starts promoting the coin and there's all this 111 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: additional hype that surrounds it, and people love the idea 112 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: of making quick money like we all do, and these 113 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: specific popular coins, you can see that there's a dramatic 114 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: increase in value, and there's this associated hype with these 115 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: specific coins that people are generally very enticed to participate 116 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 3: in making a quick buck, but also enticed into that 117 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: hype of the pop culture aspects associated with the coin. 118 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: And that's what I found really interesting as well, was 119 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: that it says much about buying into a potential zeitgeist 120 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: moment for the world. I mean, as far as a 121 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: lot of investors in the Squid coin were concerned, this 122 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: could have been the next big art collection, the next 123 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: big stamp collection, The ticket for a New World inspired 124 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: by squid game even And that's what I find so 125 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: interesting is that it looks like a lot of people 126 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: have made decisions not based on economic fundamentals, which is 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: something that you and I talk about on this podcast 128 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot, but based on hype. It's a really fascinating 129 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: episode of the crypto story that there's almost three and 130 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: a half million dollars lost in a matter of days. 131 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: And I think it's also super important to distinguish that 132 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: what we're referring to here is not the legitimacy of 133 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: cryptocurrencies as a whole. It's not about, you know, how 134 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: successful people are with certain cryptocurrencies. We're specifically talking about scams, 135 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: so people with malicious intent using cryptocurrencies or cryptocurrencies quotation 136 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: marks as a means to scam people. We're not talking 137 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: about the legitimacy of the various different coins, and that's 138 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: a separate discussion as a whole. Some people have been 139 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 3: quite successful with that, but specifically, what we're talking about 140 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: here are scams and scams that are conducted through cryptocurrencies 141 00:07:59,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: for sure. 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: And as an anonymous squid investor told a popular crypto 143 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: website quote, I lost all of what I had in 144 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: this project, and at the end of the day, it's 145 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: a human story of financial loss and it's one that, 146 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: because it's an emerging market, is equally as important to 147 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: cover as traditional financial markets. Mariah, thank you so much 148 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: for your input. 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