WEBVTT - Dutton takes on Albanese over climate targets

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily Off. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily OS. Oh now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twelfth of June.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Billy, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's two major political parties are arguing over climate change again.

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<v Speaker 2>They're arguing about what needs to be done and by

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<v Speaker 2>when and by who.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the weekend you may have seen some headlines that

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<v Speaker 2>Opposition leader Peter Dunnan was planning to pull out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Paris Agreement if the coalition is voted in at

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<v Speaker 2>the next election.

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<v Speaker 1>This caused a big political callout.

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<v Speaker 2>And a whole lot of name calling, before Dudden clarified

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<v Speaker 2>that it is not his intention to pull out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Paris Agreement if a coalition he is elected. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>explain what you need to know in today's podcast. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we get there, Sam, what is making headlines today?

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<v Speaker 3>More than three hundred bonds of workers have had their

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<v Speaker 3>employment contracts terminated more than a month after the Budget

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<v Speaker 3>Airline went into administration. External accounting firm Hall Chadwick was

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<v Speaker 3>appointed to wind up the domestic Budget Airlines operations or

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<v Speaker 3>facilitate its sale to an investor. Haul Chadwick said it

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<v Speaker 3>had not received any offers to purchase the airline, leaving

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<v Speaker 3>it quote no option but to terminate all employees and

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<v Speaker 3>cancel all future flights.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's property market reached a total value of ten point

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<v Speaker 2>seven trillion dollars during the first three months of the year. Thus,

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<v Speaker 2>according to new figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics,

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<v Speaker 2>the property market increased by more than two hundred million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars between January and March compared to the previous quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>The national average house price is now just over nine

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. New South Wales remains

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<v Speaker 2>the most expensive state to buy a home, with a

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<v Speaker 2>one point two million dollar average price tag.

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<v Speaker 3>Singapore Airlines has announced compensation for passengers on a flight

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<v Speaker 3>hit by severe turbulence last month. One man died of

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<v Speaker 3>a suspected heart attack and some passengers suffered brain and

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<v Speaker 3>spinal injuries. The airline said travelers who sustained minor injuries

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<v Speaker 3>will receive around fifteen thousand dollars in compensation, while those

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<v Speaker 3>medically assessed as seriously injured have been offered thirty eight

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars. Singapore Airlines said the payment is to address

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<v Speaker 3>immediate needs of seriously injured passengers, but that it would

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<v Speaker 3>work with individuals to meet their specific circumstances. All passengers

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<v Speaker 3>on board the London to Singapore service on the twentieth

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<v Speaker 3>of May will receive a refund quote, including those who

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<v Speaker 3>did not suffer any injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's good news, this is a great one. New

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<v Speaker 2>research has found that African elephants have names for each other.

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<v Speaker 2>According to findings published in the journal Nature, researchers recorded

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<v Speaker 2>elephant vocalizations and found the animals were addressing each other

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<v Speaker 2>through unique calls. When the audio was played back to

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<v Speaker 2>individual elephants, some flapped their ears and lifted their trunk

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<v Speaker 2>when they heard their name. Researchers hope a better understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of how elephants communicate will help foster stronger conservation strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how they talk to each other, right, no

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<v Speaker 3>through the elephant. How long have we worked together? For?

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<v Speaker 3>Three years?

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<v Speaker 1>Four years, nearly three years.

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<v Speaker 3>Nearly three years, And that means I spend a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of time with you, and I know when you're actually

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<v Speaker 3>really excited about the story, and for some reason this

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<v Speaker 3>story has got you pumped up.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know where that was going.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, I am excited, and I'm considering it my

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<v Speaker 2>mission to make the listeners who perhaps clicked on this

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<v Speaker 2>and you didn't know whether they would be interested, to

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<v Speaker 2>be really interested in it, because I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>so fascinating what has happened over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember seeing so much news.

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<v Speaker 2>About dudden pulling out of this Paris agreement, which is massive.

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<v Speaker 3>News if you did do so. That was Saturday, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, But then Dunnan clarified that they wouldn't pull out

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<v Speaker 2>of Paris, and I was just so confused, and I

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<v Speaker 2>imagined that I'm not the only one who was in

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<v Speaker 2>that case.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you were Sam as well. We were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's these kinds of stories where the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Oz really has an opportunity to cut through all

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<v Speaker 2>of the noise and just explain what actually has happened and.

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<v Speaker 3>What you need to know, but also why it matters.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm really keen to get to that bit as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But why don't we just take this a little slower.

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<v Speaker 3>That was quite a chaotic little introduction from you. Where

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<v Speaker 3>does this story actually start?

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<v Speaker 2>I won't take offense to that Sam. So on Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian newspaper publish an interview with opposition leader Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dunden where he said that a coalition government would scrap

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's twenty thirty emissions target if he's elected at the

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<v Speaker 2>next election. Now side note, you might be wondering when

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<v Speaker 2>the next Australian election is. It's sometime before May next year.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know the latest point.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the latest point it can be. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where it will be, but we know it soon.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is why the coalition, who is currently in opposition,

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<v Speaker 2>is starting to tell us more about what their policies

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<v Speaker 2>would be if they do get elected. So back to

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<v Speaker 2>this news, So, Duddan said that a coalition government would

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<v Speaker 2>scrap Labour's twenty thirty targets because he claims there is

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<v Speaker 2>quote no sense in signing up to targets you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any prospect of achieving. So basically he's saying, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to meet these targets, so why have.

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<v Speaker 1>We legislated there.

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<v Speaker 3>So he didn't directly say we're pulling out of Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and that's the important point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Duddin didn't actually explicitly say the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>would pull out of Paris. Those words did not come

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<v Speaker 2>out of his mouth, but just the suggestion that he

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<v Speaker 2>would scrap these targets which have been legislated under the

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<v Speaker 2>Paris Agreement led to a lot of speculation that a

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<v Speaker 2>coalition government would pull Australia out of the Paris Agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is where these headlines came from. But that

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<v Speaker 2>is not the case, and I'll explain more in a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that really is going to get to the heart

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<v Speaker 3>of what the coalition's policy actually is rather than what

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<v Speaker 3>it's not. So there's a lot of moving parts in

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<v Speaker 3>this story. The key part, though, seems to me to

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<v Speaker 3>be the Paris Agreement itself that was in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Take us back there and tell me about that agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>So back in twenty fifteen, Australia was one of one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety six parties who signed up to this

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<v Speaker 2>Paris Agreement, which was a promise to limit global temperatures

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<v Speaker 2>to one point five degrees celsius above pre industrial levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, it was actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Under a coalition government that Australia did this, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is interesting in the context of this conversation. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it adds a little bit of nuance because that

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<v Speaker 2>would make it even a bigger deal if the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>did then get back into government and pull us out

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<v Speaker 2>of it now to achieve this limit of one point

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<v Speaker 2>five degrees celsius, the United Nations states that the world

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<v Speaker 2>must reach net zero by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>And just in case we haven't thought about net zero

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<v Speaker 3>on this Wednesday morning, give me a quick sense of

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<v Speaker 3>what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>So net zero means balancing how many greenhouse gas emissions

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<v Speaker 2>enter the atmosphere against how many are taken out.

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<v Speaker 3>So the metaphor that people use when explaining net zero

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<v Speaker 3>is this idea of a bath tub, and you need

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<v Speaker 3>the water to be coming out of the plug at

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom at the same rate as new water is

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<v Speaker 3>coming in at the top, and you need that level

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<v Speaker 3>of water to be the same in the bath that's

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<v Speaker 3>net zero exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean absolutely no emissions, It just means taking out

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<v Speaker 2>the same amount as you're putting in now. Under the

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<v Speaker 2>Paris Agreement, the general goal, like I said, is to

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<v Speaker 2>reach net zero by twenty to fifty. So what are

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<v Speaker 2>we in now twenty twenty four? We have twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>years to get there now. Importantly, signatories to the Paris

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<v Speaker 2>Agreement must have progressive targets to cut emissions. So you

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<v Speaker 2>can't just say we're going to get there in twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're going to think about it in twenty forty.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we need to kind of show the roadmap, show

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<v Speaker 3>the working out exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And it works in five year cycles, so signatories are

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<v Speaker 2>expected to have a plan every five years to progressively

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<v Speaker 2>cut their emissions. And that's where our twenty thirty target

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<v Speaker 2>comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think part of the way that countries and

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<v Speaker 3>parties keep themselves accountable is they kind of come back

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<v Speaker 3>together every so often and say, well, how are you

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<v Speaker 3>going to achieve this and how are you held accountable?

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<v Speaker 3>So what's Australia's plan right now?

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<v Speaker 2>So right now, Australia's twenty thirty target is to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>greenhouse gas emissions by forty three percent below what they

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<v Speaker 2>were at in two thousand and five. And that target

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<v Speaker 2>was set by the Labor government after they got in

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<v Speaker 2>at the twenty twenty two election.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a big issue in that election.

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<v Speaker 2>Massive issue. I think it was widely seen as a

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<v Speaker 2>climate change election.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember we did polling at the time of what

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<v Speaker 3>issue mattered to younger voters, especially in climate change was

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<v Speaker 3>just miles out in front even then at that point,

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<v Speaker 3>well ahead of cost of living.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think now, you know, cost of living

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<v Speaker 2>and climate change are still equally just as important in

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<v Speaker 2>young voters' minds. Now Here, it's important to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>it is a fact that Australia is not right now

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<v Speaker 2>on track to reach our target. Last month the government's

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<v Speaker 2>Climate Change Department revealed that Australia will achieve a reduction

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<v Speaker 2>of forty two percent by twenty thirty at the current rate.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to remind, Australia's target is forty three percent,

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<v Speaker 2>were on to achieve forty two percent. So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>difference of one percent, which might not sound like a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course experts would tell you that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a percentage is a lot in the context of what

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<v Speaker 2>it can mean for extreme weather and sea level rises

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<v Speaker 2>and food scarcity and a whole range of things that

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<v Speaker 2>climate change impacts. And one more important thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>was reading about this morning, the Climate Change Authority found

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<v Speaker 2>last year Australia's emissions actually increased in June twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three compared to the year prior. So we are behind

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<v Speaker 2>on this target and there is no disputing that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure whenever this next election will be, it

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<v Speaker 3>will continue to be a really important part of who

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<v Speaker 3>gets elected. But one thing that's different this time around

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<v Speaker 3>is that those targets are now set in Australian law.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, this is an important difference because, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>the targets are now legislated and they were done so

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<v Speaker 2>by the Labor government, and that just means that there's

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<v Speaker 2>more accountability if it fails to meet the target, and

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<v Speaker 2>it also means that it can't be scrapped unless a

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<v Speaker 2>new LA law is passed. So if the coalition government

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<v Speaker 2>comes in, they can't just say we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. They actually have to pass legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>Which wouldn't be a problem for a future potential coalition

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<v Speaker 3>government if they controlled both the House and the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that that's not necessarily the status quoit, or often.

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<v Speaker 2>The case that you control the lower House and the

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<v Speaker 2>upper house.

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<v Speaker 3>Right to be harder, and you could envision then another

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<v Speaker 3>round of fighting about climate policy to happen even with

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<v Speaker 3>a change of government.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is the coalition saying. I mean, we've talked

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<v Speaker 3>a lot about what they're not saying. They're not saying

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to pull out of Paris. What are they saying?

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<v Speaker 2>So the Coalition has now clarified that what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that they believe Labour's targets are not achievable and

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<v Speaker 2>so their argument is what is the point of having

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<v Speaker 2>these unachievable targets If, again these are their words, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a plan to actually get there. Obviously Labor

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<v Speaker 2>disputes that, but that's what the coalition is saying, and

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<v Speaker 2>the coalition climate change spokesperson, who is Ted O'Brien, he

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that it would not maintain the twenty thirty target

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<v Speaker 2>if it were elected. So just to be clear, they

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<v Speaker 2>definitely are planning to scrap Labour's targets. Just one quote

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<v Speaker 2>from him that I think really paints their perspective. He

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<v Speaker 2>said the government quote has basically locked Australia into a

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<v Speaker 2>target without knowing how it's going to get there, how

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<v Speaker 2>much it's going to cost, or who's going to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for it. And in light of the weekend's news, he

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<v Speaker 2>also just clarified one hundred percent that the Coalition is

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<v Speaker 2>committed to Paris and he said that any suggestion that

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<v Speaker 2>it will pull out is a lie. And he also

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<v Speaker 2>clarified that the Coalition is committed to net zero by

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really interesting, right, So both major parties are saying

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<v Speaker 3>we are going to be at net zero by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but the key difference is twenty thirty and that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what this whole discussion revolves around. In terms

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty thirty, we know they're going to scrap Labour's plans,

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<v Speaker 2>but what Duddan said yesterday is that the Coalition would

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<v Speaker 2>replace the twenty thirty target, but we i don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what they plan to replace it by until after the

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<v Speaker 2>next election, right, So basically he's saying that we will

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<v Speaker 2>go to the polls without knowing what the Coalition's planned

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<v Speaker 2>to reduce emissions by by twenty thirty is.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically we are going to get painted with a

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<v Speaker 3>longer term vision without necessarily understanding the steps to get

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<v Speaker 3>there exactly. So Peter Dutton and the Coalition have laid

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<v Speaker 3>out they've kind of taken the first moves in this

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<v Speaker 3>climate fight or this round of the climate fight. What

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<v Speaker 3>has the reaction been.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go through a few different perspectives quickly, so Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Anthony Albanizi he actually held a press conference on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a public holiday, and that's quite rare for

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime minister to do, but kind of just shows

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<v Speaker 2>what big news this was.

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<v Speaker 3>But he showed he was in holiday mode by not

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<v Speaker 3>wearing a suit. You're kind of a casual jacket.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And unsurprisingly he just completely slammed Duddin's initial comments.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, quote Peter Dutton is worse than Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 2>on climate change. That quote stood out to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen said that the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty reduction is achievable, so he is disputing the

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<v Speaker 2>coalition's line that it's not achievable, and he added quote

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<v Speaker 2>Dudden is giving up on it, but we are saying

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<v Speaker 2>we're still working to achieve it. Another perspective that I

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<v Speaker 2>think is worth mentioning is the Greens leader Adam Bant.

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<v Speaker 2>He accused both major parties of failing to take the

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<v Speaker 2>Paris agreement seriously and he said quote labor cries Paris

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<v Speaker 2>crocodile tears while opening more coal and gas mines, while

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberals don't even pretend to care.

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<v Speaker 3>When you put it like that, it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a sorry state of affairs in our politics. Have there

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<v Speaker 3>been other responses, perhaps not from politicians, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think one worth mentioning is from business perspectives. I was

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<v Speaker 2>reading in the Australian Financial Review yesterday morning that this

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<v Speaker 2>discussion just creates so much uncertainty for the industry, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a really interesting point when we think

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<v Speaker 2>about the facts that Australia has elections every three years.

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<v Speaker 2>That potentially means that we have a new government every

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<v Speaker 2>three years, which you know, if one government is introducing laws,

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<v Speaker 2>the next government is scrapping it, and then you just

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<v Speaker 2>go in this constant cycle. There is a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>uncertainty I can completely understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially for something as major as an energy transition and

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<v Speaker 3>all the different various ways that that's being proposed to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is really serious policy that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's perhaps one of those points where the regularity

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<v Speaker 3>of our elections actually can make things a little difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really interesting when you put it in that context,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, obviously having long term goals is really important,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just about how do we do that when

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<v Speaker 2>there is such constant change in government.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also important to say that the alternative to that

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<v Speaker 3>model of government is somebody who's there as the prime

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<v Speaker 3>minister for twenty years, which we don't want either. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of those key teething issues with our modern

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<v Speaker 3>democracy with a challenge like climate change that is inevitable

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<v Speaker 3>that we're going to come across on that slightly disheartening note,

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<v Speaker 3>but I will actually on that point, there are so

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<v Speaker 3>many people working to find solutions, and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>one voice that we haven't mentioned today is climate scientists

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<v Speaker 3>and the scientific community, and their position on climate change

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<v Speaker 3>is abundantly clear and hasn't really moved. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>that whilst these policy discussions continue, there is a whole

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<v Speaker 3>cohort of people looking for innovative ways to try and

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<v Speaker 3>divert the course here. Thanks so much for explaining that, Billy,

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