1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily Off. This is the 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Daily OS. Oh now it makes sense. 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Wednesday, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: the twelfth of June. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm Billy, I'm Sam. 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Australia's two major political parties are arguing over climate change again. 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: They're arguing about what needs to be done and by 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: when and by who. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Now. 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: Over the weekend you may have seen some headlines that 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Opposition leader Peter Dunnan was planning to pull out of 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement if the coalition is voted in at 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: the next election. 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: This caused a big political callout. 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: And a whole lot of name calling, before Dudden clarified 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: that it is not his intention to pull out of 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement if a coalition he is elected. Well, 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: explain what you need to know in today's podcast. But 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: before we get there, Sam, what is making headlines today? 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: More than three hundred bonds of workers have had their 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: employment contracts terminated more than a month after the Budget 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: Airline went into administration. External accounting firm Hall Chadwick was 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 3: appointed to wind up the domestic Budget Airlines operations or 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: facilitate its sale to an investor. Haul Chadwick said it 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: had not received any offers to purchase the airline, leaving 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: it quote no option but to terminate all employees and 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: cancel all future flights. 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: Australia's property market reached a total value of ten point 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: seven trillion dollars during the first three months of the year. Thus, 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: according to new figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: the property market increased by more than two hundred million 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 2: dollars between January and March compared to the previous quarter. 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: The national average house price is now just over nine 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. New South Wales remains 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: the most expensive state to buy a home, with a 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: one point two million dollar average price tag. 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: Singapore Airlines has announced compensation for passengers on a flight 38 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: hit by severe turbulence last month. One man died of 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: a suspected heart attack and some passengers suffered brain and 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: spinal injuries. The airline said travelers who sustained minor injuries 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 3: will receive around fifteen thousand dollars in compensation, while those 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 3: medically assessed as seriously injured have been offered thirty eight 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Singapore Airlines said the payment is to address 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: immediate needs of seriously injured passengers, but that it would 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: work with individuals to meet their specific circumstances. All passengers 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: on board the London to Singapore service on the twentieth 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 3: of May will receive a refund quote, including those who 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: did not suffer any injuries. 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: In today's good news, this is a great one. New 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: research has found that African elephants have names for each other. 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: According to findings published in the journal Nature, researchers recorded 52 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: elephant vocalizations and found the animals were addressing each other 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: through unique calls. When the audio was played back to 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: individual elephants, some flapped their ears and lifted their trunk 55 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: when they heard their name. Researchers hope a better understanding 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: of how elephants communicate will help foster stronger conservation strategy. 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: You know how they talk to each other, right, no 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 3: through the elephant. How long have we worked together? For? 59 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: Three years? 60 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Four years, nearly three years. 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: Nearly three years, And that means I spend a lot 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: of time with you, and I know when you're actually 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: really excited about the story, and for some reason this 64 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: story has got you pumped up. 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: I did not know where that was going. 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: But yes, I am excited, and I'm considering it my 67 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: mission to make the listeners who perhaps clicked on this 68 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: and you didn't know whether they would be interested, to 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: be really interested in it, because I just think it's 70 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: so fascinating what has happened over the weekend. 71 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: I remember seeing so much news. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: About dudden pulling out of this Paris agreement, which is massive. 73 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: News if you did do so. That was Saturday, right. 74 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: Exactly, But then Dunnan clarified that they wouldn't pull out 75 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: of Paris, and I was just so confused, and I 76 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: imagined that I'm not the only one who was in 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: that case. 78 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: I know you were Sam as well. We were talking 79 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: about it yesterday. 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: And I think it's these kinds of stories where the 81 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: Daily Oz really has an opportunity to cut through all 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: of the noise and just explain what actually has happened and. 83 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: What you need to know, but also why it matters. 84 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: And I'm really keen to get to that bit as well. 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 3: But why don't we just take this a little slower. 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: That was quite a chaotic little introduction from you. Where 87 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: does this story actually start? 88 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: I won't take offense to that Sam. So on Friday night, 89 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper publish an interview with opposition leader Peter 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: Dunden where he said that a coalition government would scrap 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: Labour's twenty thirty emissions target if he's elected at the 92 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: next election. Now side note, you might be wondering when 93 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: the next Australian election is. It's sometime before May next year. 94 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 3: We don't know the latest point. 95 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: That's the latest point it can be. We don't know 96 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: exactly where it will be, but we know it soon. 97 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: And that is why the coalition, who is currently in opposition, 98 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: is starting to tell us more about what their policies 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: would be if they do get elected. So back to 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: this news, So, Duddan said that a coalition government would 101 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: scrap Labour's twenty thirty targets because he claims there is 102 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: quote no sense in signing up to targets you don't 103 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: have any prospect of achieving. So basically he's saying, we're 104 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: not going to meet these targets, so why have. 105 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: We legislated there. 106 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: So he didn't directly say we're pulling out of Paris. 107 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: No, and that's the important point. 108 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: I think that Duddin didn't actually explicitly say the Coalition 109 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: would pull out of Paris. Those words did not come 110 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: out of his mouth, but just the suggestion that he 111 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: would scrap these targets which have been legislated under the 112 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: Paris Agreement led to a lot of speculation that a 113 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 2: coalition government would pull Australia out of the Paris Agreement, 114 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: and that is where these headlines came from. But that 115 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: is not the case, and I'll explain more in a bit. 116 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: Because that really is going to get to the heart 117 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: of what the coalition's policy actually is rather than what 118 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 3: it's not. So there's a lot of moving parts in 119 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: this story. The key part, though, seems to me to 120 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: be the Paris Agreement itself that was in twenty fifteen. 121 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: Take us back there and tell me about that agreement. 122 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: So back in twenty fifteen, Australia was one of one 123 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety six parties who signed up to this 124 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: Paris Agreement, which was a promise to limit global temperatures 125 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: to one point five degrees celsius above pre industrial levels. 126 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: Now, it was actually. 127 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: Under a coalition government that Australia did this, which I 128 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: think is interesting in the context of this conversation. I 129 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: think it adds a little bit of nuance because that 130 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: would make it even a bigger deal if the Coalition 131 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: did then get back into government and pull us out 132 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: of it now to achieve this limit of one point 133 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: five degrees celsius, the United Nations states that the world 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: must reach net zero by twenty fifty. 135 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: And just in case we haven't thought about net zero 136 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: on this Wednesday morning, give me a quick sense of 137 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: what that is. 138 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: So net zero means balancing how many greenhouse gas emissions 139 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: enter the atmosphere against how many are taken out. 140 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: So the metaphor that people use when explaining net zero 141 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: is this idea of a bath tub, and you need 142 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: the water to be coming out of the plug at 143 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: the bottom at the same rate as new water is 144 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: coming in at the top, and you need that level 145 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: of water to be the same in the bath that's 146 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: net zero exactly. 147 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean absolutely no emissions, It just means taking out 148 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: the same amount as you're putting in now. Under the 149 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: Paris Agreement, the general goal, like I said, is to 150 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: reach net zero by twenty to fifty. So what are 151 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: we in now twenty twenty four? We have twenty six 152 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: years to get there now. Importantly, signatories to the Paris 153 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: Agreement must have progressive targets to cut emissions. So you 154 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: can't just say we're going to get there in twenty fifty. 155 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: You know, we're going to think about it in twenty forty. 156 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: We've got ten years. 157 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: Then we need to kind of show the roadmap, show 158 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: the working out exactly. 159 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: And it works in five year cycles, so signatories are 160 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: expected to have a plan every five years to progressively 161 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: cut their emissions. And that's where our twenty thirty target 162 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: comes from. 163 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: And I think part of the way that countries and 164 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: parties keep themselves accountable is they kind of come back 165 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: together every so often and say, well, how are you 166 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: going to achieve this and how are you held accountable? 167 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: So what's Australia's plan right now? 168 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: So right now, Australia's twenty thirty target is to reduce 169 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: greenhouse gas emissions by forty three percent below what they 170 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: were at in two thousand and five. And that target 171 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: was set by the Labor government after they got in 172 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty two election. 173 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: It was a big issue in that election. 174 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: Massive issue. I think it was widely seen as a 175 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: climate change election. 176 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: I remember we did polling at the time of what 177 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: issue mattered to younger voters, especially in climate change was 178 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: just miles out in front even then at that point, 179 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: well ahead of cost of living. 180 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think now, you know, cost of living 181 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: and climate change are still equally just as important in 182 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: young voters' minds. Now Here, it's important to acknowledge that 183 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: it is a fact that Australia is not right now 184 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: on track to reach our target. Last month the government's 185 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: Climate Change Department revealed that Australia will achieve a reduction 186 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: of forty two percent by twenty thirty at the current rate. 187 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: So just to remind, Australia's target is forty three percent, 188 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: were on to achieve forty two percent. So that's a 189 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: difference of one percent, which might not sound like a lot, 190 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: but of course experts would tell you that, you know, 191 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: a percentage is a lot in the context of what 192 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: it can mean for extreme weather and sea level rises 193 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: and food scarcity and a whole range of things that 194 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: climate change impacts. And one more important thing that I 195 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: was reading about this morning, the Climate Change Authority found 196 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: last year Australia's emissions actually increased in June twenty twenty 197 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: three compared to the year prior. So we are behind 198 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: on this target and there is no disputing that. 199 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 3: And I'm sure whenever this next election will be, it 200 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: will continue to be a really important part of who 201 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: gets elected. But one thing that's different this time around 202 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: is that those targets are now set in Australian law. 203 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is an important difference because, like you said, 204 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: the targets are now legislated and they were done so 205 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: by the Labor government, and that just means that there's 206 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: more accountability if it fails to meet the target, and 207 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: it also means that it can't be scrapped unless a 208 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: new LA law is passed. So if the coalition government 209 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: comes in, they can't just say we're not going to 210 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: do that. They actually have to pass legislation. 211 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: Which wouldn't be a problem for a future potential coalition 212 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: government if they controlled both the House and the Senate. 213 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: We know that that's not necessarily the status quoit, or often. 214 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: The case that you control the lower House and the 215 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: upper house. 216 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: Right to be harder, and you could envision then another 217 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: round of fighting about climate policy to happen even with 218 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: a change of government. 219 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: Definitely. 220 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 3: So what is the coalition saying. I mean, we've talked 221 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: a lot about what they're not saying. They're not saying 222 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: they're going to pull out of Paris. What are they saying? 223 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: So the Coalition has now clarified that what they're saying 224 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: is that they believe Labour's targets are not achievable and 225 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: so their argument is what is the point of having 226 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: these unachievable targets If, again these are their words, you 227 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: don't have a plan to actually get there. Obviously Labor 228 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: disputes that, but that's what the coalition is saying, and 229 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: the coalition climate change spokesperson, who is Ted O'Brien, he 230 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: confirmed that it would not maintain the twenty thirty target 231 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: if it were elected. So just to be clear, they 232 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: definitely are planning to scrap Labour's targets. Just one quote 233 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: from him that I think really paints their perspective. He 234 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: said the government quote has basically locked Australia into a 235 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: target without knowing how it's going to get there, how 236 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: much it's going to cost, or who's going to pay 237 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: for it. And in light of the weekend's news, he 238 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: also just clarified one hundred percent that the Coalition is 239 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: committed to Paris and he said that any suggestion that 240 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: it will pull out is a lie. And he also 241 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: clarified that the Coalition is committed to net zero by 242 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: twenty fifty. 243 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: That's really interesting, right, So both major parties are saying 244 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: we are going to be at net zero by twenty fifty. 245 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Yes, but the key difference is twenty thirty and that's 246 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: kind of what this whole discussion revolves around. In terms 247 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: of twenty thirty, we know they're going to scrap Labour's plans, 248 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: but what Duddan said yesterday is that the Coalition would 249 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: replace the twenty thirty target, but we i don't know 250 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: what they plan to replace it by until after the 251 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: next election, right, So basically he's saying that we will 252 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: go to the polls without knowing what the Coalition's planned 253 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: to reduce emissions by by twenty thirty is. 254 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: So basically we are going to get painted with a 255 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: longer term vision without necessarily understanding the steps to get 256 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 3: there exactly. So Peter Dutton and the Coalition have laid 257 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: out they've kind of taken the first moves in this 258 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: climate fight or this round of the climate fight. What 259 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: has the reaction been. 260 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: I'll go through a few different perspectives quickly, so Prime 261 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albanizi he actually held a press conference on Monday, 262 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: which was a public holiday, and that's quite rare for 263 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: the Prime minister to do, but kind of just shows 264 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: what big news this was. 265 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: But he showed he was in holiday mode by not 266 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 3: wearing a suit. You're kind of a casual jacket. 267 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: Yes, And unsurprisingly he just completely slammed Duddin's initial comments. 268 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: He said, quote Peter Dutton is worse than Scott Morrison 269 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: on climate change. That quote stood out to me. And 270 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: then the Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen said that the 271 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: twenty thirty reduction is achievable, so he is disputing the 272 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 2: coalition's line that it's not achievable, and he added quote 273 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: Dudden is giving up on it, but we are saying 274 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: we're still working to achieve it. Another perspective that I 275 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: think is worth mentioning is the Greens leader Adam Bant. 276 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: He accused both major parties of failing to take the 277 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: Paris agreement seriously and he said quote labor cries Paris 278 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: crocodile tears while opening more coal and gas mines, while 279 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: the Liberals don't even pretend to care. 280 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 3: When you put it like that, it's a bit of 281 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: a sorry state of affairs in our politics. Have there 282 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: been other responses, perhaps not from politicians, Yeah, I. 283 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: Think one worth mentioning is from business perspectives. I was 284 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: reading in the Australian Financial Review yesterday morning that this 285 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: discussion just creates so much uncertainty for the industry, which 286 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: I think is a really interesting point when we think 287 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: about the facts that Australia has elections every three years. 288 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: That potentially means that we have a new government every 289 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: three years, which you know, if one government is introducing laws, 290 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: the next government is scrapping it, and then you just 291 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: go in this constant cycle. There is a lot of 292 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: uncertainty I can completely understand. 293 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: Especially for something as major as an energy transition and 294 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: all the different various ways that that's being proposed to happen. 295 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this is really serious policy that we're talking about, 296 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,359 Speaker 3: and it's perhaps one of those points where the regularity 297 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,359 Speaker 3: of our elections actually can make things a little difficult. 298 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting when you put it in that context, 299 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: because you know, obviously having long term goals is really important, 300 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: but it's just about how do we do that when 301 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: there is such constant change in government. 302 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: It's also important to say that the alternative to that 303 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: model of government is somebody who's there as the prime 304 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: minister for twenty years, which we don't want either. So 305 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: it's one of those key teething issues with our modern 306 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: democracy with a challenge like climate change that is inevitable 307 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: that we're going to come across on that slightly disheartening note, 308 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: but I will actually on that point, there are so 309 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: many people working to find solutions, and I think the 310 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: one voice that we haven't mentioned today is climate scientists 311 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: and the scientific community, and their position on climate change 312 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: is abundantly clear and hasn't really moved. But I think 313 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: that whilst these policy discussions continue, there is a whole 314 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: cohort of people looking for innovative ways to try and 315 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: divert the course here. Thanks so much for explaining that, Billy, 316 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: and thank you for listening to that episode of The 317 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 3: Daily Os. We'd love to know what you think. You 318 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: can leave a comment if you're on Spotify, or give 319 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: us a rating if you're listening on Apple. We'll be 320 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: back again. You know years tomorrow morning. Until then, have 321 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: a good day. 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