Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. Thereby, Hey guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: clicking and downloading on today's episode with Tom Cashman, who
Speaker 1: is currently on Network ten's Taskmasters, which is on weekly
Speaker 1: Thursday nights at seven thirty, which you can also catch
Speaker 1: up on on ten Play once those episodes drop. Sitting
Speaker 1: by Tom Gleeson's side is his trusty assistant, Tom Cashman,
Speaker 1: dutifully taking notes and reporting back on all the ups
Speaker 1: and downs of each and individual task. For several weeks,
Speaker 1: the comedians face tasks that are then played in front
Speaker 1: of each other and to a live audience. They're all
Speaker 1: competing to score the highest amount of points to take
Speaker 1: out the competition. Based on the UK series, task Masters
Speaker 1: has become a worldwide phenomenon, meaning that when the Australian
Speaker 1: version was launched in twenty twenty three, there was a
Speaker 1: pressure to stand up to the success of the other
Speaker 1: international spin offs. I have to say I have absolutely
Speaker 1: loved catching up with Tom Cashman. Here's a very funny
Speaker 1: comedian and you will get to know him in a
Speaker 1: way that I don't think we've really heard from him before.
Speaker 1: I will talk about being cast alongside Tom Gleeson and
Speaker 1: what their relationship was like before shooting the series. We
Speaker 1: will unpack the pressure of being a comedian and how
Speaker 1: it can affect your day to day life. Tom will
Speaker 1: share some honest stories from meeting his idols like Peter Hellier,
Speaker 1: and he will explain why he ignored Anne Edmund when
Speaker 1: he first met her. You will find out how the
Speaker 1: show is actually put together, and we'll find out why
Speaker 1: the skits are never shown in order of how they're
Speaker 1: actually screened in front of the live audience. There's actually
Speaker 1: so much to unpack with Tom, so sit back and
Speaker 1: relax as we unpack the wonderful world of Task Masters Australia. Then, Hey, Tom,
Speaker 1: how are you well? Yeah, I'm good. I was just
Speaker 1: saying before that I've been watching. I watched like three
Speaker 1: episodes back to back last night with my partner because
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch someone's reaction of the show different
Speaker 1: to what I think of it. Oh wow, just wanted
Speaker 1: to have his graduly. Yeah, he loved it. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's fun because I love watching reactions of things and
Speaker 1: I think that's the magic of this show is that
Speaker 1: tasks are being done and then you're unpacking it and
Speaker 1: there's some hilarity in reflection.
Speaker 2: Totally. I agree with you. I think it's kind of
Speaker 2: more like Google Bops than people think comedians watching themselves
Speaker 2: in the past. Sale that's a good show.
Speaker 1: Whoever was in the Network ten pitch room when that
Speaker 1: was being pitched is a great idea. Actually, no, because
Speaker 1: we have to understand that Task Masters is so big
Speaker 1: in the UK. This is a show that's been around
Speaker 1: for a while over there and it's massive there.
Speaker 2: The other thing to consider is that if you did
Speaker 2: a Google Bop version where they watched themselves, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: would be fun, like Google watching google Bop. But then
Speaker 2: the problem with that was then then they'd be the
Speaker 2: feat to do it again, and then Google would be
Speaker 2: watching Google.
Speaker 1: Is your favorite movie inception? By any chance.
Speaker 2: I got there, it's up there.
Speaker 1: I love Christopher Nolan. You know, it was interesting. I
Speaker 1: was like scaring the internet for things while I was
Speaker 1: preparing myself to chat with you today, and I read
Speaker 1: somewhere that you felt more relaxed this season going into it.
Speaker 1: You know, what was the difference, Like, what did it
Speaker 1: take for you to feel more relaxed from season one
Speaker 1: into season two.
Speaker 2: It's just going through the whole process. So I suppose
Speaker 2: you're always a bit more anxious when you're going into
Speaker 2: you don't know what's going to be. Obviously I had
Speaker 2: it of a sense of what it was going to be,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's a very specific job running around
Speaker 2: in a field with comedians and basically being the referee.
Speaker 2: But it also was the biggest TV gig I've had,
Speaker 2: so you're a bit nervous going into something that we
Speaker 2: haven't done. The stakes of it were higher than something
Speaker 2: that I was doing before. And I think the other
Speaker 2: thing is just that it's an established format. It's very
Speaker 2: popular in the UK overtwe which has been in such
Speaker 2: a treat Like the first episode of the first season,
Speaker 2: the crowd was full, there were one hundreds of people there,
Speaker 2: really enthusiastic to watch, and what a privilege for like
Speaker 2: the first episode of the show. At most shows, you know,
Speaker 2: you start from scratching. You've got to build an audience.
Speaker 2: But I suppose the kid side of that is there
Speaker 2: are exist exams that kind of expected to be a
Speaker 2: certain way, so a lot to move up to. But
Speaker 2: I was after season one, it was received pretty well,
Speaker 2: I thought, like, and then although watching myself back like
Speaker 2: I was happy with about a web and that obviously
Speaker 2: come be down somewhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how I would do this,
Speaker 1: but I feel like for me, I would watch a
Speaker 1: whole lot of the UK version, or maybe I would,
Speaker 1: because I'd then be worried that I was impersonating that role. Again,
Speaker 1: how did you go with that process? Because there's that
Speaker 1: temptation to sort of go and dive deep right into
Speaker 1: it to see how something else has made it successful
Speaker 1: and then go, oh, how do I make this my own?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What was that process like for you?
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough so when I got off to
Speaker 2: do it, I happened to have been already going over
Speaker 2: to London to do some shows, and while I was there,
Speaker 2: I got to meet Alic Horn, who created the UK show,
Speaker 2: and when like a pretty quick tour of the UK
Speaker 2: the house and I chatting in about it. I was
Speaker 2: kind of expecting in that kind of it wasn't so
Speaker 2: much a meeting as it took a bit of a
Speaker 2: catch up. I was kind of expecting him, I guess
Speaker 2: to have a few points or like instructions on what
Speaker 2: to do, but he was so relaxed about it, and
Speaker 2: I think the only I mean, I think the only
Speaker 2: things in said is kind of make note of what
Speaker 2: people do after it, because you forget the funny things
Speaker 2: they did. And he's only other advices, just like see
Speaker 2: yourself with that kind of thing. And I think that
Speaker 2: will last me because yeah, he wasn't being prescriptive about it,
Speaker 2: I suppose, but here's a format that you know, you've
Speaker 2: still got to fix the format and in doing the show.
Speaker 2: But I have exactly the thought you just said. I
Speaker 2: watch I forget exactly how many, but like I've already
Speaker 2: seen a few seasons but not for a while, and
Speaker 2: then I think I watched like maybe one more season,
Speaker 2: and then have that exact thought that you said before.
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep watching this and then get
Speaker 2: into the lynt of because you just naturally copy. If
Speaker 2: I watch a bunch of like a stand up comedian,
Speaker 2: for example, we find himself the next day kind of
Speaker 2: talking the way they talk. You know, we do it
Speaker 2: naturally adaptive in that way. So I wanted to kind
Speaker 2: of familiarize myself at the format again and then kind
Speaker 2: of just keep it out of my head and go in.
Speaker 2: But then after doing the third season, I watched every
Speaker 2: single UK to them.
Speaker 1: Because you kind of know that you're owning what, you
Speaker 1: kind of understand how to own your own space by
Speaker 1: that point, because you've found, yeah, I don't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2: I already kind of had found kind of how I
Speaker 2: was going to be. And then because you know, we're
Speaker 2: doing completing seasons, you're writing involved in the past writing
Speaker 2: and stuff now, so you've got to make sure you're
Speaker 2: not overlapping too much past. And I thought, after I've
Speaker 2: kind of got the tone of what I'm doing, why
Speaker 2: not all of it's kind of become a bit of
Speaker 2: a completion of in terms of and understand that that's
Speaker 2: the kind of work and how we can do a
Speaker 2: bit of a push the boundaries in our own and stuff.
Speaker 1: What's the process though, on watching yourself Because I can
Speaker 1: imagine watching this with you know, watching it all back
Speaker 1: and watching a whole season of it back and seeing
Speaker 1: what works and what doesn't work. I'd want to know
Speaker 1: whether or not you lean into the things that you
Speaker 1: think worked better, and so you now start sort of
Speaker 1: doing that or I mean ridiculously or does it. You
Speaker 1: just start feeling like you're impersonating yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's not funny. I'll worry about I
Speaker 2: think it's a bit of something that I'm that you
Speaker 2: do with stand up comedy, Like when you start watching
Speaker 2: yourself it cringe. It's prim as hell, whats yourself about there?
Speaker 2: Because you're going to know what's going in a little
Speaker 2: bit more and you're kind of worry about how you're
Speaker 2: going to be the seas and stuff. But I think
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like seeing me over that just by the
Speaker 2: stand up comedy you're going to have to you don't
Speaker 2: have to live to do. I need to yourself on
Speaker 2: the internet that you get a lot of. It's going
Speaker 2: to get a shot of stand up social last year
Speaker 2: and the state money I edited it, so it's like
Speaker 2: you watching yourself perform from for the angle to hours
Speaker 2: doing an edit. You kind of get over it a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: I find to be in the editing room of my
Speaker 1: own work to be quite complicated because it actually infiltrates
Speaker 1: my way of being social.
Speaker 2: Would you say it affects how you are socially?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find it really strange if I edit my
Speaker 1: own work and I'm listening to the way in which
Speaker 1: I do podcasting, it does start to affect the way
Speaker 1: that I socialize, because when you're socializing is a different
Speaker 1: flow of conversation and so you've got to try and
Speaker 1: break Yeah, you know, and I know that from my
Speaker 1: friends that are comedians they feel that as well, Like
Speaker 1: I've had that conversation about it, where they're like, when
Speaker 1: they're being social, what's the difference between the personality that
Speaker 1: they are on stage when they're being comical. And the
Speaker 1: expectation that you also have is that you think other
Speaker 1: people have a view, you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm a comedian, so does everyone expect that
Speaker 1: I'm funny? And then for me that I'm like talking
Speaker 1: to someone, I'm like, I'm a podcaster, I'm an interviewer.
Speaker 1: You know, I should be being very interesting and I
Speaker 1: should be asking questions, and then like that can sort
Speaker 1: of penetrate my social ability because when you're just hanging
Speaker 1: out with people, it shouldn't be like that.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I think that's like, yeah, I'm I
Speaker 2: don't think it's about the editing and watching yourself as
Speaker 2: much as it just the instinctive Like right now, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm loving the chat, which is very beached up in
Speaker 2: terms of what it's like. I now like I have
Speaker 2: an obligation to talk when you book, Yeah, and if
Speaker 2: they's silence in this conversation and awkward causes and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and we're not doing a right job, Whereas
Speaker 2: in a social contact that's still a bit true. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that I've got of struggled
Speaker 2: with so much. I'm a bit like this anyway, and
Speaker 2: that kind of part is why I think I became
Speaker 2: a air median early. Is ultimately I just hate awkward vibalance.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, over the course of my life,
Speaker 2: I've been battling off with violence. So you just get
Speaker 2: better and better at coming up with things to say
Speaker 2: in social situation to feel silent. But I have had
Speaker 2: to get better at son of yet if you're just
Speaker 2: hanging out with trends or whatever, not feeling responsible for
Speaker 2: the pisk Exactly, it's not it's not my problem. It's
Speaker 2: as an awkward thing. There's five people here, it's the
Speaker 2: fifth of my problem. Whereactly, Yeah, it can feel like
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of your problem, because that's kind of
Speaker 2: just how I'm wired I think the problem with comedians,
Speaker 2: and some comedians are like this, and they're kind of
Speaker 2: almost like warning times when like my friends who you know,
Speaker 2: aren't comedians, just normal, very funny people, very interesting people,
Speaker 2: and then you induce them become comedian persons who just
Speaker 2: and then they just talk for like, you know, you
Speaker 2: hang out for an hour of the time, it's just
Speaker 2: a comedian talking and they don't even they never asked
Speaker 2: the question of a friend that I've introduced them to.
Speaker 2: And it's a bit that you feel a bit and
Speaker 2: it's because of exactly what we're saying. They just usually
Speaker 2: kind of having to do the talking, but like and
Speaker 2: be able to such that off otherwise who isolated them.
Speaker 1: I've got friends though, that are comedians that are very
Speaker 1: well known, and I don't want to throw them under
Speaker 1: the bus because they'll be listening to they'll hear it.
Speaker 1: But you know what's really funny is that the more
Speaker 1: successful that they become, the more introverted that they've become.
Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. Yeah, really, I'll be out with them
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, oh, you know, this is such
Speaker 1: and such, and you watch people's face go, oh, I
Speaker 1: know who you are, and then they say nothing, and
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, and I'm like, but they weren't like
Speaker 1: that to start with, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: as they were entering the careers, they were feeling the silences,
Speaker 1: they were performing, they were you know, and then the
Speaker 1: more and more successful they got them now mutes, I'm like,
Speaker 1: say something.
Speaker 2: I think the thing to me, I mean, now we're
Speaker 2: talking about how to kind of approach social thing is
Speaker 2: the difference trying to be present. Yeah, no, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm very happy talk about it. It's just trying to
Speaker 2: be present and listening because I think, yeah, it's fine
Speaker 2: to when necessary, like if you if I've come in
Speaker 2: with a I've got a few funny stories in the
Speaker 2: past few weeks, and then there's the silent, and I
Speaker 2: think everyone's happy to hear the story. Well I can
Speaker 2: you know, I can talk the Sailand I suppose. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know whether your friends are like overtheaking it
Speaker 2: more more and they're kind of worried about what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, like being seen to be the kind of
Speaker 2: like coffee guy. Who ll maybe there could be some
Speaker 2: other reasons out have just said this tie.
Speaker 1: I remember this is now going to haunt you, because
Speaker 1: it still haunts me. I remember once I was hanging
Speaker 1: out with someone who had just met and then they
Speaker 1: said to me after a while, they said, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not as interesting as I thought you would be.
Speaker 1: I remember being like I remember being like what, and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, because I had seen me, that's
Speaker 1: seen some of my work, and that sort of sort
Speaker 1: of had a heightened version of who I am. And
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's lovely.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's dud then yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such an inevitable part of I think sometimes
Speaker 2: you will make people on people Oh your Canadian told
Speaker 2: the birth whatever, and it's like, oh no, that's not really. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're kind of wanting you to do a weird thing
Speaker 2: and they're kind of teasing you, but it's all out
Speaker 2: of awkwardness. I think. I think there is something natural
Speaker 2: about I've never being like fifteen, I was went to
Speaker 2: see a company show with my family and Peter Hellier
Speaker 2: was in the pa foyer and I just walked past
Speaker 2: him and he wasn't smiling, he just had a regular
Speaker 2: normal face. And I remember, as a gen year old
Speaker 2: that kind of disturbing me or I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what's wrong with that? As hell? Because and then it
Speaker 2: was close to you. I've never su seen him, not
Speaker 2: with his grid because he's always like in performed. So
Speaker 2: that's just part of the meeting of someone in regular life.
Speaker 2: Get you to it better. Yeah, people can't be like
Speaker 2: on the whole time, and the people that.
Speaker 1: Are on the whole time, they well, that's exhausted.
Speaker 2: Alf A. I did live, which is the connected people
Speaker 2: because they're gone nuts.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Tom Gleeson and the
Speaker 1: chemistry that the two of you have been able to
Speaker 1: put together on this show, which is great. Did they
Speaker 1: screen test you before getting you in, Like what was
Speaker 1: your relationship with Tom Gleeson before you know, stepping in
Speaker 1: front of the cameras well.
Speaker 2: I mean we'd already kind of been booked and we
Speaker 2: filmed all the filmed all the task Season one Comedian
Speaker 2: and then we did a we did like A show
Speaker 2: zero or like a because we shoot more tasks than
Speaker 2: the youth. So with some of the tusks we weren't
Speaker 2: going to use for the benefit I think mainly of
Speaker 2: me and song Beton, but also for the benefit of
Speaker 2: the contestants. And I guess for the people working on
Speaker 2: the show, like shooting it and stuff with the larting
Speaker 2: and gamers and stuff. We did like that fake first
Speaker 2: one that was a bit of a stink cap looking
Speaker 2: at the chemistry between us. In terms of our relationship before,
Speaker 2: I've met him a few times at stand up big
Speaker 2: but like we know that way.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean I grew up watching him on I was
Speaker 2: the perfect gauge to be a shitouse fan. I was
Speaker 2: thirteen and yeah, Ali Bowler and Stuff was the one DV.
Speaker 2: So I was a big Vanitis and I've seen multiple
Speaker 2: of his stand up shows of the views, but in
Speaker 2: terms of the relationship back neither action. Yeah, we've only
Speaker 2: met a few times shows, and.
Speaker 1: Then you'd probably meet a lot of comedians, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's what happens when you're on those comedies. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're on the comedy circuit at the festivals, you're
Speaker 1: always meeting people. Now that you've got your TV show,
Speaker 1: and you know, spoiler a lot for people listening to this.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys have already filmed a season three,
Speaker 1: so you have a successful show. Comedians being nicer to you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've joked about that, but because we were
Speaker 2: talking on the play about social interaction platform, I now
Speaker 2: want this one on the floor in the direct way
Speaker 2: I reckon had. Maybe, But like I don't book the show,
Speaker 2: and I think people know that. I don't think really,
Speaker 2: I think it hasn't really changed my relationship to I
Speaker 2: guess I knew what people. I think it's someone if
Speaker 2: I hadn't met them before and they've just started, then
Speaker 2: perhaps people are a bit more like deferential or something
Speaker 2: because they've been aware of you as a played to,
Speaker 2: you know, five years ago or something where like actually
Speaker 2: introducing yourself. Yeah, but I don't think anyone that I
Speaker 2: had a relationship with before. I don't think I've noticed
Speaker 2: any actual different thing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I'm going to say something really embarrassing
Speaker 1: at this point, and I feel like it's just really appropriate.
Speaker 1: About twenty years ago, one of my friends was dating
Speaker 1: Hamish Blake and so okay, she is. This is like
Speaker 1: in between I think him being sort of like on
Speaker 1: Community TV and sort of getting his radio gigs. It
Speaker 1: was early days, but he was sort of up and coming.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I was invited to this breakfast and I
Speaker 1: literally treated the breakfast like an audition. I didn't mean to,
Speaker 1: but I just was there. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: and then I just started being this version of myself
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I wonder you know if
Speaker 1: that happens, you know, to you, whether all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you say, like this person being themselves or are
Speaker 1: they auditioning for me? What's going on?
Speaker 2: I think, pretty honest, I think that's naturally kind of
Speaker 2: what happens with new comedians. That's how I felt when
Speaker 2: I started. Whenever I met and they're not talking about
Speaker 2: people like Cambis Blake even or you know, it's just
Speaker 2: someone who's been doing comedy for ten years. I idolized
Speaker 2: someone like that because they were just so good at
Speaker 2: what they did and I thought they were so funny.
Speaker 2: And then you have this natural inflamation when you meet them,
Speaker 2: because like, I want to impress them so bad. I'm
Speaker 2: going to I'm going to show them how funny I am,
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to be best mate. And then
Speaker 2: I think what happens is you do that and you
Speaker 2: have situations you just to tribe where you're humiliated because
Speaker 2: you're flying way too hard and you're not being.
Speaker 1: Will you drive that home feeling embarrassed, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, that's what happened to me. I drove
Speaker 1: a when I was like, who was that guy?
Speaker 2: You're creating business between because you're trying, you're kind of pretending,
Speaker 2: and they're awkward because they know what you're doing and
Speaker 2: they're trying to be nice, but you know, no actual
Speaker 2: connections going on. And then I look to a second phase,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people do this as well,
Speaker 2: where then, because I've had a few humiliating experiences, then
Speaker 2: when I meet someone that I was beet or kind
Speaker 2: of want to show off to, really, I'll just be like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk to me. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to go through that,
Speaker 2: like say you're doing it. I remember this happening a
Speaker 2: few stand up so I reckon an Dan, who you know,
Speaker 2: was on the season of chap and after now as
Speaker 2: a friends but back then, yeah, I've never met her,
Speaker 2: love her work. I remember just kind of doing one
Speaker 2: of shows that her and just kind of avoiding her
Speaker 2: really because I'm like, I don't want to do the
Speaker 2: thing where I'm trying to suck up. And then a
Speaker 2: friend of mine said well, now you're actually being rude,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But now you're on the
Speaker 2: same show. Like if you're normal or nice, like, it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're being sucked up in embarrassing. You can
Speaker 2: just be normal and just avoiding is actually because the
Speaker 2: other way. And then that really resonated with me. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, true, And then I think after that, I'd
Speaker 2: like to think I became normal. But every now and
Speaker 2: then you kind of find yourself doing the show off
Speaker 2: eating and whatever it is, what it is. I do
Speaker 2: feel that from and got nothing to do with TV
Speaker 2: or anything. I think just any community and stand ups
Speaker 2: an example of one. When you're new, you're kind of
Speaker 2: you're exactly what you at that preference, you're trying it
Speaker 2: too hard. I remember having an experience with a friend
Speaker 2: when I was eighteen. We went to see a play
Speaker 2: called I think called Like Dead Singer. Why I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but Andrew Henson and Chris Taylor from the chaper and
Speaker 2: they were doing like a meet and greet afterwards, and
Speaker 2: I was like seventeen, eighteen years old. We a freentered
Speaker 2: school and we got to the front and my friend,
Speaker 2: I forget what he did that he was just trying
Speaker 2: really hard to contest them, and it was it was
Speaker 2: a bit cringy Okay, not to tell him about it
Speaker 2: just felt wrong, you know what I mean? Like it
Speaker 2: became clear of what we're only talking them for ten seconds.
Speaker 2: What do we think that they're going to be?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You guys are actually awesome years off you.
Speaker 1: That's the true.
Speaker 2: I think that's something that I think of as well.
Speaker 2: That's like, what are you actually hoping for here? Just
Speaker 2: be just be normal?
Speaker 1: And then you now know, because when you do those
Speaker 1: sort of meet and greets yourself, you never remember anyone,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember I used to do this. Sounds ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but I used to do like meet and greets at
Speaker 1: dream World after doing Big Brother and Yeah, and there
Speaker 1: would be hundreds of people queuing up to like just
Speaker 1: get a photo of it, and they all would just
Speaker 1: be in this hyper sensitive, hypercentual. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the word is for it. I'm not saying it correctly,
Speaker 1: but I could see them all sort of being this
Speaker 1: sort of bonkers version wanting to sort of stand out
Speaker 1: and have an interaction. And the weird thing is you
Speaker 1: don't remember any of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the thing kind of. I think that was
Speaker 2: part of it as well. I think you can kind
Speaker 2: of tell not to go back to my career because
Speaker 2: I've never done that, that meet and great thing.
Speaker 1: Haven't you. Oh you've got to do that. Bonkers, they're
Speaker 1: so weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I remember feeling that the Shaper guys
Speaker 2: were out of the nessity putting on a bit of
Speaker 2: a show in terms of how they were, like they
Speaker 2: weren't being completely because they're yeah, it's a very artificial. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to be just keep up or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's very much.
Speaker 2: Are you an extrovert? No, I'm like, that's so much energy.
Speaker 1: I'm an introverted extrovert. So I can be highly extroverted,
Speaker 1: but then I also can be really quiet, which is
Speaker 1: a lot like comedians, Like all my comedian friends, their personality.
Speaker 1: It just feels that way because when you watch them working,
Speaker 1: there's this big, larger than life personality, and then in
Speaker 1: their real time, in their personal time, they're really really quiet.
Speaker 1: You know, it sort of makes it stand out a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But you know, I think that most
Speaker 1: comedians are introverted extroverts to be honest, and if you're
Speaker 1: a very good comedian. My belief is it's the it's
Speaker 1: what you've captured with what you watch from other people
Speaker 1: that makes good comedy. You do need to be quiet
Speaker 1: to be able to capture what you're watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: That's where I think comedy works really well. And Chris
Speaker 1: Lily is like that. I remember I went to the
Speaker 1: same gym as Chris Lily wants for a long time.
Speaker 1: Actually he went to the sink kilto Sea Bars. He
Speaker 1: doesn't go there anymore, so don't go there. For people
Speaker 1: who Chris Lily fans, they'll be down at the sinkilter
Speaker 1: Sea Bars waiting for him, and then he'll send me
Speaker 1: a text message and say fuck you for running my privacy.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's really funny. I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with him one day about him watching people, and I
Speaker 1: noticed that at the gym he was borrowing things, he
Speaker 1: was stealing things, he was capturing what he was watching
Speaker 1: and using it for his work. You know, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: I think that's also another argument for trying to be authentic,
Speaker 2: because it does feel bad if you kind of break
Speaker 2: someone and then they're trying to keep the point at
Speaker 2: what that rood. But I think that's an inventive also
Speaker 2: to be like to the extent that you can be
Speaker 2: yourself in your work, then you have to worry about
Speaker 2: that lass I agree.
Speaker 1: I also saw an IMDb that, you know, You've got
Speaker 1: the most bizarre thing in your IMDb credits, which is
Speaker 1: a Beastie Boys movie.
Speaker 2: Do you know that?
Speaker 1: Why is that there is someone put that there as
Speaker 1: a joke like were you in.
Speaker 2: A beast I have no idea what that is, but
Speaker 2: I'm used to it because my name is also the
Speaker 2: name of one of the best Irish hurlers of all time,
Speaker 2: Irish hurling being a sport, the sport, but they don't
Speaker 2: kind of like look off or something like, I think
Speaker 2: he's he's got a fantastic irishurler that he's also I
Speaker 2: think for maybe like five foot six or something like that.
Speaker 2: So if you google my name, one of the comes
Speaker 2: it's kind of merges out two identities together and says
Speaker 2: that I'm much shorter than I actually am. So I'm
Speaker 2: used to I'm used to being mugged off by people.
Speaker 2: It's the same name as me, and it's being said
Speaker 2: to be in a Busy Boys video is not the
Speaker 2: worst of it. It happened to be three years before
Speaker 2: I bar that's the trouble.
Speaker 1: It was so weird because I looked at it and
Speaker 1: I was like the credit was like nineteen eighty four
Speaker 1: or something, and I was like, pretty sure times were
Speaker 1: alive at this point this maybe your dad was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, might you have my dad's ball with that counts me.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's an abusive boys movie. Anyway, I have
Speaker 1: to finish this off the same way I do with
Speaker 1: all my podcasts. Could not not do this after this
Speaker 1: many episodes. But what's something from behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: Taskbusters that we as an audience might not necessarily know?
Speaker 1: Kind of kind of like the behind the scenes secret
Speaker 1: about what it's like to be in this show?
Speaker 2: Good question. The thing that comes to mind for me,
Speaker 2: I guess, and the kind of touched on after with
Speaker 2: me as like being nervous about there first season. But
Speaker 2: I think the show, which is kind of most of
Speaker 2: it in a way, but every time wise is shooting
Speaker 2: the pask sover on location in the path mater or tree,
Speaker 2: and it's a bit I think it's basically all real
Speaker 2: that the contestants don't know what they're walking into. It's
Speaker 2: a bit more like a psychological experiment rode than I
Speaker 2: think people probably understand, and that the contestants are all
Speaker 2: in a room between the past where they're pretty much
Speaker 2: not like to believe we're not lost or anything. But
Speaker 2: if they left it would you know what, you can't
Speaker 2: have any clues about time that's walking for And I
Speaker 2: mean I've never been a contestive, but this is what
Speaker 2: they all say, is that like a big part of
Speaker 2: the challenge is, you know, he's got half an hour,
Speaker 2: did the silliest thing with this hat? Go, you're being filmed,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But then they have to go back
Speaker 2: afterwards and suit in this room for like forty minutes
Speaker 2: and overthink the last past and they did well, then
Speaker 2: so what the next one is? And so by the
Speaker 2: end of the week that they're doing past and real
Speaker 2: by the end of each day they're pretty exhausted emotionally
Speaker 2: from performing. But also just like the overthinking as well,
Speaker 2: I do the right thing then forms a big part
Speaker 2: of why. Like when people make a big mistake or
Speaker 2: something or they kind of miss a detail, and then
Speaker 2: it's often because I think they're like overthinking what they
Speaker 2: thought they did wrong in the last pluck because they've
Speaker 2: been kind of stuck alone for half an hour. So
Speaker 2: I think that kind of isolation together with the nerves
Speaker 2: are coming out and being filmed and they're trying to
Speaker 2: be funny, and I think it's often, yeah, I take
Speaker 2: a bit of a behind reason for why they're they're
Speaker 2: doing what they're doing, particularly when what they're doing is
Speaker 2: kind of pretty stupid or something big oversight. I think
Speaker 2: all they have some change of boats. I think that's
Speaker 2: often kind of why where you don't see the audience
Speaker 2: doesn't see, you know, we don't show the task in order,
Speaker 2: so they might they might have done one in episode one,
Speaker 2: they've just been a task in reality that was from
Speaker 2: episode nine. And also because I think don't do the
Speaker 2: same order a task, so you know, some people might
Speaker 2: do like a creative one after they've just been tricked
Speaker 2: and they think the creative one is a trick as well,
Speaker 2: and then they get kind of they got from some
Speaker 2: new whereas everyone else did it in a different order,
Speaker 2: so no one else bought that was the trick. So
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, the order and the isolation is kind
Speaker 2: of formerly a bigger part of the approach.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I think you should do. From
Speaker 1: just listening to you talking about this, I've gone going
Speaker 1: off on a bit of a tangent, but I reckon
Speaker 1: you should go and do the UK one. Would you
Speaker 1: be a contestant? Could you be a contestant? Could you
Speaker 1: put yourself in that position now that you've been in
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, would love the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the trouble is, I think how I become myself
Speaker 2: down if I go and do an audition or like
Speaker 2: a job, I'm like, the people here want me to succeed.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to just half this part, or anyone just
Speaker 2: wants to just have yourself where If I went and
Speaker 2: should because I'm now for fifteen different Australian comedians stood
Speaker 2: there and kind of smurf that people sail and needle
Speaker 2: them to the mistakes they're making. If I then go
Speaker 2: and do it like, it's better be pretty good. Otherwise
Speaker 2: all the people that I've been criticizing the whole line
Speaker 2: would very much enjoy me failing.
Speaker 1: I would love to see her on that show. You know,
Speaker 1: my best friend's daughter, she's about seven. She calls you
Speaker 1: the dirty man, and I thought that was hilarious. To
Speaker 1: finish the podcast on that, which I think is funny
Speaker 1: because you know, younger the ready man, she calls you
Speaker 1: the dirty man, and I was like, well, I love
Speaker 1: the dirty Who are you talking because you've got the beard,
Speaker 1: like the s double.
Speaker 2: Oh my god? How dirty? How know I'm never going
Speaker 2: to go down food out there? I know.
Speaker 1: How hilarious is that? That? That's why what my friend's
Speaker 1: daughter thinks of you.
Speaker 2: And I was like, dirty man, she's a dirty girl
Speaker 2: than an adult.
Speaker 1: And she was like, you know, Ben's interviewing the dirty
Speaker 1: man and she I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh yeah, Harriet think calls him the
Speaker 1: dirty man. And I was like why and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's because he's got the beard, like she
Speaker 1: was saying it to me like it was fact, like
Speaker 1: it was like something you should all know. And I
Speaker 1: was like, just.
Speaker 2: A dirty stick guy, okay. Mate biologue involved in Dirty
Speaker 2: to seven year old said I win.
Speaker 1: I told her she can't.
Speaker 2: Ye first play with her child mate.
Speaker 1: I just want to say I had such a good
Speaker 1: time talking to you. I think that this has just
Speaker 1: been so fun and I love the show. I hope
Speaker 1: people get to keep enjoying this series. I'm excited about
Speaker 1: season three, which I know we're getting, and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to be in your audience and and watch this
Speaker 1: show evolve. I think it's I think it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so much fun to do. And yeah, thanks
Speaker 2: for the chat, which is lovely to get into the
Speaker 2: nitty greet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're used to being on shows where they
Speaker 1: make you do it like a three minute ad break,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you turn up and you're on the
Speaker 1: show movie and it's over in three minutes, and you're like,
Speaker 1: did I say anything good? Was that? And then when
Speaker 1: you're in a long form podcast, you're like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to just tell you about meeting Harish Blake at
Speaker 1: a breakfast, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like, it's just yeah, when it gets into times one
Speaker 2: of your stategies and both of them brush, it was
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 1: Overthought enjoy chatting to the media about the show today.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your generosity with your time as well to even
Speaker 1: be to be here and to do this, So thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Then all right, I'll chat to you soon.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll see you around fine ske