WEBVTT - TASKMASTERS AUSTRALIA - TOM CASHMAN 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.640 TV Reload the podcast last week. Thereby, Hey guys, welcome 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.640 back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.119 clicking and downloading on today's episode with Tom Cashman, who 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.480 is currently on Network ten's Taskmasters, which is on weekly 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.400 Thursday nights at seven thirty, which you can also catch 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.040 up on on ten Play once those episodes drop. Sitting 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.720 by Tom Gleeson's side is his trusty assistant, Tom Cashman, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.120 dutifully taking notes and reporting back on all the ups 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.520 and downs of each and individual task. For several weeks, 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.160 the comedians face tasks that are then played in front 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.800 of each other and to a live audience. They're all 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.640 competing to score the highest amount of points to take 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.360 out the competition. Based on the UK series, task Masters 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:47.640 has become a worldwide phenomenon, meaning that when the Australian 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.559 version was launched in twenty twenty three, there was a 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.480 pressure to stand up to the success of the other 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.280 international spin offs. I have to say I have absolutely 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.360 loved catching up with Tom Cashman. Here's a very funny 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.200 comedian and you will get to know him in a 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.920 way that I don't think we've really heard from him before. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.440 I will talk about being cast alongside Tom Gleeson and 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.039 what their relationship was like before shooting the series. We 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.920 will unpack the pressure of being a comedian and how 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.360 it can affect your day to day life. Tom will 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.959 share some honest stories from meeting his idols like Peter Hellier, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:24.240 and he will explain why he ignored Anne Edmund when 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.880 he first met her. You will find out how the 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.479 show is actually put together, and we'll find out why 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.120 the skits are never shown in order of how they're 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.520 actually screened in front of the live audience. There's actually 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.040 so much to unpack with Tom, so sit back and 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:44.600 relax as we unpack the wonderful world of Task Masters Australia. Then, Hey, Tom, 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.160 how are you well? Yeah, I'm good. I was just 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.360 saying before that I've been watching. I watched like three 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.680 episodes back to back last night with my partner because 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.680 I wanted to watch someone's reaction of the show different 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.000 to what I think of it. Oh wow, just wanted 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.560 to have his graduly. Yeah, he loved it. It's good. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.880 It's fun because I love watching reactions of things and 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.480 I think that's the magic of this show is that 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.080 tasks are being done and then you're unpacking it and 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.040 there's some hilarity in reflection. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.480 Totally. I agree with you. I think it's kind of 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.000 more like Google Bops than people think comedians watching themselves 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.120 in the past. Sale that's a good show. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.040 Whoever was in the Network ten pitch room when that 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.520 was being pitched is a great idea. Actually, no, because 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.280 we have to understand that Task Masters is so big 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.760 in the UK. This is a show that's been around 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.880 for a while over there and it's massive there. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.000 The other thing to consider is that if you did 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.600 a Google Bop version where they watched themselves, Yeah, that 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:45.200 would be fun, like Google watching google Bop. But then 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.919 the problem with that was then then they'd be the 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.480 feat to do it again, and then Google would be 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:51.040 watching Google. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.560 Is your favorite movie inception? By any chance. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:58.760 I got there, it's up there. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.760 I love Christopher Nolan. You know, it was interesting. I 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.919 was like scaring the internet for things while I was 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.360 preparing myself to chat with you today, and I read 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.600 somewhere that you felt more relaxed this season going into it. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.920 You know, what was the difference, Like, what did it 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.240 take for you to feel more relaxed from season one 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:13.960 into season two. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.519 It's just going through the whole process. So I suppose 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.480 you're always a bit more anxious when you're going into 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.720 you don't know what's going to be. Obviously I had 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.080 it of a sense of what it was going to be, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.920 but you know, it's a very specific job running around 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.119 in a field with comedians and basically being the referee. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.720 But it also was the biggest TV gig I've had, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.760 so you're a bit nervous going into something that we 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.200 haven't done. The stakes of it were higher than something 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.000 that I was doing before. And I think the other 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.480 thing is just that it's an established format. It's very 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.920 popular in the UK overtwe which has been in such 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.320 a treat Like the first episode of the first season, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.440 the crowd was full, there were one hundreds of people there, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.280 really enthusiastic to watch, and what a privilege for like 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.600 the first episode of the show. At most shows, you know, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:55.040 you start from scratching. You've got to build an audience. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.760 But I suppose the kid side of that is there 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.200 are exist exams that kind of expected to be a 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.640 certain way, so a lot to move up to. But 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.640 I was after season one, it was received pretty well, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.280 I thought, like, and then although watching myself back like 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.800 I was happy with about a web and that obviously 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:13.280 come be down somewhere. 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.000 I mean, I don't know how I would do this, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.720 but I feel like for me, I would watch a 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.359 whole lot of the UK version, or maybe I would, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.279 because I'd then be worried that I was impersonating that role. Again, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.359 how did you go with that process? Because there's that 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.839 temptation to sort of go and dive deep right into 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.359 it to see how something else has made it successful 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.440 and then go, oh, how do I make this my own? 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:35.599 Like? 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.160 What was that process like for you? 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.560 I was lucky enough so when I got off to 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.520 do it, I happened to have been already going over 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.480 to London to do some shows, and while I was there, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.479 I got to meet Alic Horn, who created the UK show, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.120 and when like a pretty quick tour of the UK 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.800 the house and I chatting in about it. I was 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.080 kind of expecting in that kind of it wasn't so 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.359 much a meeting as it took a bit of a 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.320 catch up. I was kind of expecting him, I guess 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.560 to have a few points or like instructions on what 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.200 to do, but he was so relaxed about it, and 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.920 I think the only I mean, I think the only 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.640 things in said is kind of make note of what 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.280 people do after it, because you forget the funny things 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.960 they did. And he's only other advices, just like see 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.400 yourself with that kind of thing. And I think that 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.240 will last me because yeah, he wasn't being prescriptive about it, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.120 I suppose, but here's a format that you know, you've 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.440 still got to fix the format and in doing the show. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.800 But I have exactly the thought you just said. I 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.760 watch I forget exactly how many, but like I've already 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.720 seen a few seasons but not for a while, and 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.360 then I think I watched like maybe one more season, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.360 and then have that exact thought that you said before. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.000 I don't want to keep watching this and then get 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.880 into the lynt of because you just naturally copy. If 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.440 I watch a bunch of like a stand up comedian, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.640 for example, we find himself the next day kind of 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.800 talking the way they talk. You know, we do it 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.200 naturally adaptive in that way. So I wanted to kind 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.080 of familiarize myself at the format again and then kind 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.880 of just keep it out of my head and go in. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.640 But then after doing the third season, I watched every 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:03.920 single UK to them. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.800 Because you kind of know that you're owning what, you 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.400 kind of understand how to own your own space by 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.040 that point, because you've found, yeah, I don't you know 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:11.800 what I mean exactly. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.560 I already kind of had found kind of how I 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.920 was going to be. And then because you know, we're 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.400 doing completing seasons, you're writing involved in the past writing 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:21.800 and stuff now, so you've got to make sure you're 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.320 not overlapping too much past. And I thought, after I've 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.400 kind of got the tone of what I'm doing, why 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.400 not all of it's kind of become a bit of 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.160 a completion of in terms of and understand that that's 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.120 the kind of work and how we can do a 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.919 bit of a push the boundaries in our own and stuff. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.480 What's the process though, on watching yourself Because I can 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.680 imagine watching this with you know, watching it all back 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.880 and watching a whole season of it back and seeing 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.160 what works and what doesn't work. I'd want to know 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.600 whether or not you lean into the things that you 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.159 think worked better, and so you now start sort of 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.640 doing that or I mean ridiculously or does it. You 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.920 just start feeling like you're impersonating yourself. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.279 Yeah, I think it's not funny. I'll worry about I 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.200 think it's a bit of something that I'm that you 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.839 do with stand up comedy, Like when you start watching 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.240 yourself it cringe. It's prim as hell, whats yourself about there? 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.080 Because you're going to know what's going in a little 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.320 bit more and you're kind of worry about how you're 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:15.800 going to be the seas and stuff. But I think 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.160 I'm I'm like seeing me over that just by the 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.400 stand up comedy you're going to have to you don't 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.840 have to live to do. I need to yourself on 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.600 the internet that you get a lot of. It's going 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.960 to get a shot of stand up social last year 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.520 and the state money I edited it, so it's like 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.120 you watching yourself perform from for the angle to hours 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.520 doing an edit. You kind of get over it a 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:36.920 little bit. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.640 I find to be in the editing room of my 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.760 own work to be quite complicated because it actually infiltrates 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.880 my way of being social. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.080 Would you say it affects how you are socially? 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.440 Yeah, I find it really strange if I edit my 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.560 own work and I'm listening to the way in which 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.760 I do podcasting, it does start to affect the way 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.560 that I socialize, because when you're socializing is a different 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.240 flow of conversation and so you've got to try and 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.200 break Yeah, you know, and I know that from my 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.480 friends that are comedians they feel that as well, Like 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.320 I've had that conversation about it, where they're like, when 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.640 they're being social, what's the difference between the personality that 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.840 they are on stage when they're being comical. And the 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.560 expectation that you also have is that you think other 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.520 people have a view, you know what I mean that 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.680 you're like, I'm a comedian, so does everyone expect that 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.600 I'm funny? And then for me that I'm like talking 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.440 to someone, I'm like, I'm a podcaster, I'm an interviewer. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.719 You know, I should be being very interesting and I 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.240 should be asking questions, and then like that can sort 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.680 of penetrate my social ability because when you're just hanging 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:42.120 out with people, it shouldn't be like that. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.120 I agree, Yeah, I think that's like, yeah, I'm I 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.360 don't think it's about the editing and watching yourself as 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.199 much as it just the instinctive Like right now, I mean, 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.440 I'm loving the chat, which is very beached up in 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.079 terms of what it's like. I now like I have 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.320 an obligation to talk when you book, Yeah, and if 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.000 they's silence in this conversation and awkward causes and stuff 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.199 like that, and we're not doing a right job, Whereas 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.679 in a social contact that's still a bit true. And 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.440 I think that's the thing that I've got of struggled 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:13.839 with so much. I'm a bit like this anyway, and 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.000 that kind of part is why I think I became 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.240 a air median early. Is ultimately I just hate awkward vibalance. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.680 So I feel like, over the course of my life, 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.959 I've been battling off with violence. So you just get 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.600 better and better at coming up with things to say 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.040 in social situation to feel silent. But I have had 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.640 to get better at son of yet if you're just 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.280 hanging out with trends or whatever, not feeling responsible for 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.280 the pisk Exactly, it's not it's not my problem. It's 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.000 as an awkward thing. There's five people here, it's the 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.720 fifth of my problem. Whereactly, Yeah, it can feel like 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.120 one hundred percent of your problem, because that's kind of 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.640 just how I'm wired I think the problem with comedians, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.320 and some comedians are like this, and they're kind of 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.400 almost like warning times when like my friends who you know, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.000 aren't comedians, just normal, very funny people, very interesting people, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.760 and then you induce them become comedian persons who just 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.040 and then they just talk for like, you know, you 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.160 hang out for an hour of the time, it's just 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.280 a comedian talking and they don't even they never asked 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.440 the question of a friend that I've introduced them to. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.880 And it's a bit that you feel a bit and 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.440 it's because of exactly what we're saying. They just usually 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.880 kind of having to do the talking, but like and 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.440 be able to such that off otherwise who isolated them. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.640 I've got friends though, that are comedians that are very 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.400 well known, and I don't want to throw them under 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.640 the bus because they'll be listening to they'll hear it. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.960 But you know what's really funny is that the more 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.800 successful that they become, the more introverted that they've become. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.920 It's so bizarre. Yeah, really, I'll be out with them 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:40.400 and I'll be like, oh, you know, this is such 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.840 and such, and you watch people's face go, oh, I 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.280 know who you are, and then they say nothing, and 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.760 I'm like yeah, and I'm like, but they weren't like 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.320 that to start with, do you know what I mean? Like, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.559 as they were entering the careers, they were feeling the silences, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.680 they were performing, they were you know, and then the 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.040 more and more successful they got them now mutes, I'm like, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:02.080 say something. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.000 I think the thing to me, I mean, now we're 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.360 talking about how to kind of approach social thing is 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.800 the difference trying to be present. Yeah, no, I mean 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.679 I'm very happy talk about it. It's just trying to 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.240 be present and listening because I think, yeah, it's fine 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.160 to when necessary, like if you if I've come in 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.280 with a I've got a few funny stories in the 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.960 past few weeks, and then there's the silent, and I 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.760 think everyone's happy to hear the story. Well I can 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.160 you know, I can talk the Sailand I suppose. Yeah, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.679 I don't know whether your friends are like overtheaking it 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.640 more more and they're kind of worried about what I'm 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.120 talking about, like being seen to be the kind of 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.079 like coffee guy. Who ll maybe there could be some 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.680 other reasons out have just said this tie. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.360 I remember this is now going to haunt you, because 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.560 it still haunts me. I remember once I was hanging 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.480 out with someone who had just met and then they 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.760 said to me after a while, they said, you know, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.080 you're not as interesting as I thought you would be. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.840 I remember being like I remember being like what, and 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.200 they're like, oh, yeah, because I had seen me, that's 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.520 seen some of my work, and that sort of sort 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.440 of had a heightened version of who I am. And 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.480 I was like, Okay, that's lovely. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.240 Yeah that's dud then yeah it is. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:13.719 It is. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.800 Yeah, that's such an inevitable part of I think sometimes 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.040 you will make people on people Oh your Canadian told 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:23.120 the birth whatever, and it's like, oh no, that's not really. Yeah, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.840 they're kind of wanting you to do a weird thing 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.960 and they're kind of teasing you, but it's all out 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.600 of awkwardness. I think. I think there is something natural 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.520 about I've never being like fifteen, I was went to 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.120 see a company show with my family and Peter Hellier 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.000 was in the pa foyer and I just walked past 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.160 him and he wasn't smiling, he just had a regular 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.840 normal face. And I remember, as a gen year old 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.120 that kind of disturbing me or I'm like, oh my god, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:54.880 what's wrong with that? As hell? Because and then it 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.000 was close to you. I've never su seen him, not 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.320 with his grid because he's always like in performed. So 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.000 that's just part of the meeting of someone in regular life. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.560 Get you to it better. Yeah, people can't be like 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.640 on the whole time, and the people that. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.560 Are on the whole time, they well, that's exhausted. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.120 Alf A. I did live, which is the connected people 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.560 because they're gone nuts. 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.680 I wanted to ask you about Tom Gleeson and the 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.200 chemistry that the two of you have been able to 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.800 put together on this show, which is great. Did they 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.600 screen test you before getting you in, Like what was 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.599 your relationship with Tom Gleeson before you know, stepping in 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:31.760 front of the cameras well. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.599 I mean we'd already kind of been booked and we 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:38.439 filmed all the filmed all the task Season one Comedian 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.400 and then we did a we did like A show 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.880 zero or like a because we shoot more tasks than 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.840 the youth. So with some of the tusks we weren't 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.040 going to use for the benefit I think mainly of 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.680 me and song Beton, but also for the benefit of 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.640 the contestants. And I guess for the people working on 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.959 the show, like shooting it and stuff with the larting 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.200 and gamers and stuff. We did like that fake first 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.440 one that was a bit of a stink cap looking 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.199 at the chemistry between us. In terms of our relationship before, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.520 I've met him a few times at stand up big 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.559 but like we know that way. 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:09.160 Wow. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.559 I mean I grew up watching him on I was 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.080 the perfect gauge to be a shitouse fan. I was 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.880 thirteen and yeah, Ali Bowler and Stuff was the one DV. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.560 So I was a big Vanitis and I've seen multiple 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.320 of his stand up shows of the views, but in 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.280 terms of the relationship back neither action. Yeah, we've only 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.560 met a few times shows, and. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.480 Then you'd probably meet a lot of comedians, you know, 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.920 because that's what happens when you're on those comedies. You know, 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.480 when you're on the comedy circuit at the festivals, you're 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.880 always meeting people. Now that you've got your TV show, 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.040 and you know, spoiler a lot for people listening to this. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.400 You know, you guys have already filmed a season three, 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.160 so you have a successful show. Comedians being nicer to you. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.080 I mean, I've joked about that, but because we were 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.440 talking on the play about social interaction platform, I now 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.320 want this one on the floor in the direct way 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.720 I reckon had. Maybe, But like I don't book the show, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.440 and I think people know that. I don't think really, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.560 I think it hasn't really changed my relationship to I 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.160 guess I knew what people. I think it's someone if 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.320 I hadn't met them before and they've just started, then 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.480 perhaps people are a bit more like deferential or something 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.360 because they've been aware of you as a played to, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.960 you know, five years ago or something where like actually 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.440 introducing yourself. Yeah, but I don't think anyone that I 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.760 had a relationship with before. I don't think I've noticed 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:28.680 any actual different thing. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.320 It's interesting because I'm going to say something really embarrassing 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.000 at this point, and I feel like it's just really appropriate. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.680 About twenty years ago, one of my friends was dating 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.720 Hamish Blake and so okay, she is. This is like 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.520 in between I think him being sort of like on 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.160 Community TV and sort of getting his radio gigs. It 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.200 was early days, but he was sort of up and coming. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:51.440 Wow. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.800 Yeah, anyway, I was invited to this breakfast and I 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.680 literally treated the breakfast like an audition. I didn't mean to, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.280 but I just was there. I was like, you know, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.640 and then I just started being this version of myself 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.640 and I was like, yeah, I wonder you know if 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.120 that happens, you know, to you, whether all of a 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.880 sudden you say, like this person being themselves or are 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.800 they auditioning for me? What's going on? 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.160 I think, pretty honest, I think that's naturally kind of 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.320 what happens with new comedians. That's how I felt when 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.680 I started. Whenever I met and they're not talking about 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.640 people like Cambis Blake even or you know, it's just 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.360 someone who's been doing comedy for ten years. I idolized 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.600 someone like that because they were just so good at 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.200 what they did and I thought they were so funny. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.920 And then you have this natural inflamation when you meet them, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:37.880 because like, I want to impress them so bad. I'm 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.000 going to I'm going to show them how funny I am, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.480 and then I'm going to be best mate. And then 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.880 I think what happens is you do that and you 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.200 have situations you just to tribe where you're humiliated because 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.040 you're flying way too hard and you're not being. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.640 Will you drive that home feeling embarrassed, you know what 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.120 I mean, Like, that's what happened to me. I drove 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.800 a when I was like, who was that guy? 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.680 You're creating business between because you're trying, you're kind of pretending, 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.280 and they're awkward because they know what you're doing and 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.639 they're trying to be nice, but you know, no actual 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.040 connections going on. And then I look to a second phase, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.840 and I think a lot of people do this as well, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.560 where then, because I've had a few humiliating experiences, then 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.960 when I meet someone that I was beet or kind 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.560 of want to show off to, really, I'll just be like, look, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.639 I'm not going to talk to me. You know, I 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.320 don't want to. I don't want to go through that, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.879 like say you're doing it. I remember this happening a 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.960 few stand up so I reckon an Dan, who you know, 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.959 was on the season of chap and after now as 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.439 a friends but back then, yeah, I've never met her, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.640 love her work. I remember just kind of doing one 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.280 of shows that her and just kind of avoiding her 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.639 really because I'm like, I don't want to do the 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.719 thing where I'm trying to suck up. And then a 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.520 friend of mine said well, now you're actually being rude, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.199 you know what I mean, But now you're on the 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.119 same show. Like if you're normal or nice, like, it 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.040 doesn't mean you're being sucked up in embarrassing. You can 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.359 just be normal and just avoiding is actually because the 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.280 other way. And then that really resonated with me. I'm like, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.680