WEBVTT - One For The Migraine Warriors 🤒

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You're back with Flexi and Throum and Flexi. A few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago, I was talking to you about my migraines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, quite a touchy topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Some would say I didn't know until then, and I

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<v Speaker 3>do apologize. I was like a migraine down players getting headaches. No,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not headaches.

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<v Speaker 2>A migraine denier, MiG well Abridge A Brookie has gone

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and found procured an experts, an expert. His name

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<v Speaker 2>is Carl Cincinnato and he is a migraine expert. He's

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<v Speaker 2>actually the director of operations at Migraine and Headache Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is very important having an institute for

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<v Speaker 2>US migraine girlies.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Pam Padami Davems.

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<v Speaker 3>Brought a migraine community.

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<v Speaker 2>He's lived in migraines for thirty years. We're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to jump straight into the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Carl. Hello, Hey, Carl, such a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I'm just reading through this sheet and it says

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<v Speaker 2>you're the operations director at Migraine and Headache Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>you've lived with migraines for thirty years, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're a good person to tell us. What is the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between migraines and headaches.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of differences between it.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people think that migraine is actually just

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<v Speaker 4>a bad headache. We've all heard of migraine, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>used sometimes as an excuse, usually by those that don't

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<v Speaker 4>have migraine to get out of things. But there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things that are quite different. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>look at a typical tension headache, which is what ninety

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<v Speaker 4>percent of the population has experienced, those are usually mild

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<v Speaker 4>to moderate. With a migraine, the head pain is actually

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<v Speaker 4>moderate to severe, and it could be so severe that

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<v Speaker 4>can cause nausea, vomiting, sensitivity to light, sound, and movement,

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<v Speaker 4>And in fact, those things are so common that it's

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<v Speaker 4>actually used to diagnose migraine. So if you have regular

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<v Speaker 4>headache that cause light sensitivity or nausea, or that are

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<v Speaker 4>interrupting your activities on a relatively frequent basis, then there's

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<v Speaker 4>something like a ninety percent probability that's actually migraine. You

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<v Speaker 4>do need to go to get diagnosed, but there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people in a show out. At least half

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<v Speaker 4>the population that have migraine that haven't even been diagnosed yet,

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<v Speaker 4>I think they have another condition. But to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>some of the key differences, attention headache will sort of

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<v Speaker 4>come and go. It may last twenty minutes to a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of hours. Migraine will last four to seventy two

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<v Speaker 4>hours if not treated. And attention headache is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>just there and then it's not. It kind of self resolves.

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<v Speaker 4>Migraine actually has four phases to it. There's a prodrome,

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<v Speaker 4>there's an aura, there's the migraine head pain itself, and

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<v Speaker 4>then there's a post rome. And I'm happy to talk

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<v Speaker 4>more about those as well.

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<v Speaker 2>If you like, Yes, can you give us like a

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<v Speaker 2>rundown of let's use one of your migraines for example,

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk us through what that looks like over

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<v Speaker 2>a day or however long it.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So there's different subtypes of migraine. I have a

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<v Speaker 4>subtype of migrine called migraine with aura, or sometimes known

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<v Speaker 4>as classical migraine.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my communitys like traditional appearance, the original Sorry, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want it, I mean, you don't want any

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<v Speaker 4>type of migraine, but classical migraine or marine with aura

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<v Speaker 4>involves something like it's called a visual aura, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>it affects people in different ways. About thirty percent of

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<v Speaker 4>people with migraine experiences, but typically what happens is I

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<v Speaker 4>have a visual disruptance, and for me, it's a they

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<v Speaker 4>call it a skintulating scotoma. It's basically a shimmering of

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<v Speaker 4>light or zigzag lines that start in the peripheral vision

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<v Speaker 4>and move into your central vision in sort of one eye,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's actually a brain phenomenon. It's not actually caused

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<v Speaker 4>by the eyes. So when you close your eyes, you

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<v Speaker 4>actually still see the zigzag lines and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like looking after the sun, and then you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>get that blurriness or that sort of visual sort of impairment,

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<v Speaker 4>and then when you look away, you kind of can't

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<v Speaker 4>quite focus or see anything just yet. It's like that,

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<v Speaker 4>but it can last between twenty and forty minutes, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's kind of the second phase of the migraine for me.

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<v Speaker 4>The first phase that is called prodrome, and that can

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<v Speaker 4>involve things like just strange kind of sensory things like

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<v Speaker 4>pins and needles, in the lips and nose or fingertips

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<v Speaker 4>like kind of in extremities, it can evolve sort of

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<v Speaker 4>tired in a successive yawning. Even exceptive urination has been

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<v Speaker 4>reported in this phase of migraine. And that phase can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of happen twenty four hours before the actual attack itself,

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<v Speaker 4>so very very different sootypical tension headache that we might experience,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you have the aura, and then after the

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<v Speaker 4>aura follows the head pain, and that can be sort

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<v Speaker 4>of moderate to severe and can be very debilitating for

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people, particularly when you have sort of

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<v Speaker 4>light sensitivity and sensitive to sound and movement. There's not

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<v Speaker 4>a lot you can really do. It's extremely difficult to function.

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<v Speaker 4>And then in the final phase of a migraine attack,

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<v Speaker 4>it's called the post rome, and that's where experiences very

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<v Speaker 4>greatly again within the population of people that have migraine.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people feel just completely washed out, like you've just

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<v Speaker 4>been beaten up or hit by a truck. Other people

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<v Speaker 4>feel this sense of elation, like they feel really good

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like they've got a new leaf of life.

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<v Speaker 4>They feel better, the pain's gone, and they're full of

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<v Speaker 4>energy and ready to get back into things. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>a very individual experience, but again a very different one.

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<v Speaker 3>The headache truly sounds terrifying, and I don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>we're not telling the real tales of migraine. When Brooke

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<v Speaker 3>out producer and Frough described to me, it's flex here

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<v Speaker 3>what the migraines were like, I said, how are you

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<v Speaker 3>living like this day to day? Especially in an environment

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<v Speaker 3>of people like, oh, you'll be fine, just take some

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<v Speaker 3>insert pharmaceutical.

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<v Speaker 1>Treat here.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wanted to know. I've never had a migraine before.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we're going to be candid, and I will

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<v Speaker 3>be candid with you, KRL, I live quite an unhealthy lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>Rarely drink water, preservative base, if there's sugar in it,

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<v Speaker 3>I will consume it. And yet migraines like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>get them.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if there's a correlation, But do you

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<v Speaker 3>know why some people get migraines and some don't, or

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<v Speaker 3>will I eventually evolve into being a migraine sufferer.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great question. So there's two kinds of reasons

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<v Speaker 4>why people get migraines. Two big reasons. One is called

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<v Speaker 4>it's from genetics, right, So if you have a family

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<v Speaker 4>history of it, if you have a certain combination of genes.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no one gene that we've found that causes migraine

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<v Speaker 4>and absolutely everyone there is if you have hemaplegic migraine,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a severe form of migraine, But there's not

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<v Speaker 4>one gene that. There's an association of different genes and

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<v Speaker 4>they can play a role, and scientists think that that's

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<v Speaker 4>about fifty percent of the cause. The other fifty percent

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<v Speaker 4>is are these factors called our environmental factors. So we

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<v Speaker 4>know that if you've had multiple concussions like head injuries,

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<v Speaker 4>have you've been in a car accident where you had

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<v Speaker 4>whiplash or even a concussion in that incident, If you'd

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<v Speaker 4>have any form of childhood abuse, whether that's physical, emotional, sexual,

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<v Speaker 4>or even sort of extremely difficult emotional periods like the

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<v Speaker 4>death of an immediate family member at a critical point

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<v Speaker 4>or at any point, or extremely stressful situation, those can

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<v Speaker 4>all set it off. And those are what we call

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<v Speaker 4>kind of the environmental factors, are things that happened to

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<v Speaker 4>you whilst the thing not just inherited.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Yeah, the hemoplegic one is the one that I

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<v Speaker 2>had as a kid, but it's somehow gone away as

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten older. Do you see that with some migraine

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<v Speaker 2>sufferers that when they hit a certain age, they disappear

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's crazy to me to think that now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four and they're gone.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to change the term to migraine survivor if

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<v Speaker 3>I could do that, I said suffer initially. I'm taking

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<v Speaker 3>it back survivor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And a lot of people call themselves worries, right

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<v Speaker 4>because it really is like you're waging war against this,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, this beast, and it happens on two main fronts.

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<v Speaker 4>One is the pain itself and the disruption, and that's awful,

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<v Speaker 4>and that in itself is really tough. But for people

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<v Speaker 4>that have chronic migraine, and chronic migraine is defined it's

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen days or more out of the month, so more

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<v Speaker 4>than half your life with migraine is it is brutal

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<v Speaker 4>and incredibly difficult, and that takes its all psychologically. It

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<v Speaker 4>affects people's mental health. We know the people that have

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<v Speaker 4>frequent migraine are four to six times more likely to

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<v Speaker 4>have a mental health issue like depression or anxiety. So

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<v Speaker 4>it really is you know, for people that are migrine

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<v Speaker 4>survivors or warriors, like they really are bubtling and they

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<v Speaker 4>really have thought to get to you know, to get

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<v Speaker 4>to where they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, damn. All right, Well, thank you, Kyl.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a nice summation of migraines right there for anyone listening.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're like me and you hear about migraines in

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<v Speaker 2>your mouth starts watering because they're so disgusting. I apologize

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<v Speaker 2>for this broadcast, really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Kyl, Thanks for having me. See you later.

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