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Speaker 1: Ego The Michael Goodinski Stories in cinemas tomorrow. The director

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Speaker 1: of the film, Paul Goldman's joining us now. Good morning, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Paul, welcome, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: So Michael Kodinski, let's talk about the title of the documentary, ego.

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Speaker 1: It really wasn't a dirty word where Michael was a concern,

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Speaker 1: But he was a complicated, complex character, wasn't he.

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Speaker 2: Michael was a bit of a conundrum. But the public

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Speaker 2: persona was this big, loud, brash, rude, arrogant guy who

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Speaker 2: you could always have a lot of fun with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he could I mean, and people loved him,

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Speaker 1: but he could rub him up the wrong way at

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Speaker 1: the same time. I guess you could love him and

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Speaker 1: hate him in the same week if you knew him well,

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Speaker 1: like you would.

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Speaker 2: Have in the same minute.

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Speaker 1: Michael Melbourne seasons, Hey, yeah everything, Yeah, yes, had Paul.

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Speaker 3: He had an incredible energy. He very rarely sit stood

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Speaker 3: still or sat still. I remember sharing a box with

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Speaker 3: him at there he got some radio people a box

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Speaker 3: at the edge hear and concert the first gig at

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Speaker 3: gopped the stadium and he was with us, but he

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Speaker 3: wasn't because he had so much going on. But he

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Speaker 3: had a band It looked like a bandage or a

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Speaker 3: piece of tape around his hand and it said something

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Speaker 3: like behave on it. It was a reminder for him

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Speaker 3: to look after himself that night and behave. Like I said,

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Speaker 3: he was quite complex and that energy was it was

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Speaker 3: hard to miss.

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Speaker 2: Michael was in perpetual motion. I think he lived five lifetimes,

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Speaker 2: singly eight years. I went out to dinner within one

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Speaker 2: and he got up from the table that I and

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Speaker 2: others were at, and then he cruised over to another

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Speaker 2: table and sat down with them. Then he got up

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Speaker 2: and cruised to another table and sat down with that.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't pin Michael.

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Speaker 4: Down, and he could do that the world over.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there were so many people that you had

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Speaker 1: to narrow down a group of to speak in this

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Speaker 1: film about Michael.

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Speaker 4: How did how did you decide who to include?

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Speaker 1: I mean you've included people like Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel,

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Speaker 1: Kylie Minogue, Jimmy Barnes of course seeing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think people probably in Australia, don't. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Michael is an impresario and a promoter who owned a

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Speaker 2: record company. So even though he loved the limelight and

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Speaker 2: loved the camera. You know, he was always out promoting artists.

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Speaker 2: I think people in Australia probably don't realize how well

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Speaker 2: loved and known he was overseas as well. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we could have spoken to any number of people. The

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Speaker 2: only thing that stood in our way was time and

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Speaker 2: their availability. I mean everyone from Taylor Swift and Madonna

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Speaker 2: were quite happy to talk. Was just about how we

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Speaker 2: could get to them. Michael was loved everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, particularly and Sheering. In recent years he helped with

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Speaker 3: those incredible record breaking tours, which was mind blowing. But

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Speaker 3: what about your first meeting with the man himself? What

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Speaker 3: was that like? Do you recall it?

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Speaker 2: Well? I was a humble film school student who made

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Speaker 2: a music video for Nick Cave's first band, the Boys

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Speaker 2: next Door, who were good friends of mine, and Michael

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Speaker 2: had heard from the band's management that I'd done that

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Speaker 2: and demanded that I come in and see and demanded

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Speaker 2: that he would use the video on his show Night Moves.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: He pointed out that in fact, we didn't own it,

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Speaker 2: the college owned it, and Michael said, well, bad luck,

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Speaker 2: and the rest is history. I've done a lot of

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Speaker 2: work with Michael over the years. We've had a very fractious,

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Speaker 2: turbulent relationship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only one I'm sure to describe it as such.

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Speaker 1: The soundtrack of the movie, I imagine, big important character

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I think you know. The film is a

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Speaker 2: love letter to the Australian music industry, so obviously the

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Speaker 2: music plays an enormous pud in it. The best place

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Speaker 2: to see the film is actually in the cinema because

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Speaker 2: we've turned it up loud. It's raucus. I mean, Michael

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Speaker 2: was behind and nurtured and signed and so many iconic

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Speaker 2: artists and was behind so many classic records, so from

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Speaker 2: Skyhook's Split Ends to Jimmy Barnes to Kylie Minogue and

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Speaker 2: you'll even hear some international artists there as well, whom

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Speaker 2: Michael was very very personally involved with and behind their

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Speaker 2: touring of Australia.

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Speaker 1: He directed the video clip for The Better the Devil

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Speaker 1: you know by Kylie minotuldn't you? That would have been

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Speaker 1: one of your earlier meetings with Michael. I suppose nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 4: You probably go back than that, Yes, I did.

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Speaker 2: That's that's I always say that's not the best music video.

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Speaker 2: Kylie in May by her mission, it's the most important one.

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Speaker 2: It's the one that kind of changed everything. It's the

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Speaker 2: one to her from the girl next door.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, yeah, some Blameel Hutchins.

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Speaker 1: And when she hooked up with your mate Nick Cave,

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Speaker 1: that's when I really thought I'll hang on.

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Speaker 2: I think that was mutually beneficial.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, Yeah, no doubt whatsoever. Yes, for sure, Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: And I guess there was no unless it brought up

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Speaker 3: the ego title, it was never going to be. I

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Speaker 3: should be so lucky for this one. It was very

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Speaker 3: supportive of Kylie.

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Speaker 2: No we toyed was calling it. Most people I know

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Speaker 2: think I'm crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, save that one. Save Paul for the

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Speaker 1: next to the next project. Well, it's in the ego,

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Speaker 1: the Michael Gitinski story. He really was the Mench's in

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Speaker 1: cinemas tomorrow. Paul, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure go out and see it.

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Speaker 3: We still can't believe sometimes I go, oh, that's what

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Speaker 3: he's no longer with us.

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Speaker 4: He certainly left his legacy.

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Speaker 2: Special he was. He was pulling believers in the streams

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Speaker 2: well beyond the great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so absolutely thanks for so bye.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Was you could imagine and some of some of the

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Speaker 3: deals and things that have been done and things have been.

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Speaker 1: Said, they come off shelves, like if Paul's thinking, I

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Speaker 1: think I'll do this this way, and something will just

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Speaker 1: fall off the shell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, it's like the ad where the

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Speaker 3: dead comes back and grabs the keys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah,