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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Sam, Well, it seems like no time like the present

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Speaker 2: to start the conversation around mental health. We've had bush fires,

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Speaker 2: we've had coronavirus, a very unknown next couple of months

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Speaker 2: coming up. It's no surprise and anxiety is the most

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Speaker 2: common mental health condition in Australia. Our next guest is

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Speaker 2: an expert in this field. He's a senior lecturer at

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Speaker 2: the UNI of New South Wales. He's a psychiatrist, doctor

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Speaker 2: Mark Cross. I think it's time we checked in with him.

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Speaker 1: Good morning Mark, Good morning Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Circumstantial stuff must play a huge part in this at

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Speaker 2: the moment. There's a lot to be anxious about. How

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Speaker 2: do we navigate this?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so important in these sort of times

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Speaker 1: to look at what we can do ourselves and what

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Speaker 1: others can do for us as well. And when we

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Speaker 1: as Australians get together and look, we've had the worst

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Speaker 1: part of a decade ever known to human kind. I

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Speaker 1: think fires, floods are now the coronavirus. When we get

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Speaker 1: together and look at the wonderful appeal response to the bushfires,

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Speaker 1: we can do this people. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: seen Prime Minister Loom of Singapore's address. It was one

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Speaker 1: of the most inspiring addresses I've seen from a leader.

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Speaker 1: And you made the comment, people of Singapore, we are

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Speaker 1: all in this together, no one will be left behind.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing. And so when you're sitting at home,

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Speaker 1: and of course we're stocking up and we've got to

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Speaker 1: have a response in this time of crisis, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: anxiety is going to be felt. An anxiety actually is necessary.

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Speaker 1: We need a low level of anxiety to get things

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Speaker 1: going for ourselves. A problem is when we get to panic.

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Speaker 1: And this is a generalized thing with anxiety. Anxiety gets

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Speaker 1: you going. There's some good to anxiety, but when you

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Speaker 1: reach that panic moment, that's not good.

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Speaker 3: And do you think that's because we haven't had real

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Speaker 3: hardship for a long time? When you look at it,

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Speaker 3: like I look at my father's generation. He was part

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Speaker 3: of World War II and rationing and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: And even in the seventies when I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: we had petrol rationing. My kids have no understanding of

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Speaker 3: that whatsoever. So have we had it too good for

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Speaker 3: too long?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting point, you know. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: been called to go to the couch now, not to

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Speaker 1: the wall. So you know, we've got social media, We've

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Speaker 1: got interactions via the internet phone. It's not as if

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Speaker 1: we have to isolate in a cave. We can still

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Speaker 1: reach out and still have you know, communication with people.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and I hope from this, I hope we

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Speaker 1: learn that our society needs to change. We need to

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Speaker 1: spend less, we need to have less, we need to

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Speaker 1: look at what's really important in terms of how we

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Speaker 1: move forward.

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Speaker 2: And haven't we all been moved by those images from

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Speaker 2: Italy and from Spain with people on their balconies sharing music.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there has been some absolute beauty from this.

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Speaker 2: But I'd like to ask you what do we tell

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Speaker 2: our children to seeing this on their social media, this

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Speaker 2: sense of impending doom. How do we go about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. I mean we I got kids nine and seven,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we've made the decision this week to

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Speaker 1: keep them out of school. I have to say, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we're looking forward to other people doing so,

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Speaker 1: and we're keeping in touch with our families and we're

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Speaker 1: saying to kids, we've got this covered, but we have

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Speaker 1: to all be in this together, and you have to

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Speaker 1: be honest, and that's the way forward.

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Speaker 3: That's the way forward. It's just plain, simple truth. And

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Speaker 3: you look at it. My great grandfather he took on

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Speaker 3: the Turk and he had polio. Come on, this is

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Speaker 3: not a big deal. We can get through this.

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Speaker 1: It is. They look it's threatening and of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: you talk about it and glight. I remember working at Liverpool

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Speaker 1: Hospitals sipping my coffee during the swine fluencing people and

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Speaker 1: has Matt suits go past and going, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: what's going on now? You know, but it wasn't quite

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Speaker 1: like this. This feels different. But you know, we've got

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Speaker 1: to listen to the experts. It's experts are telling us

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Speaker 1: what we need to know. Every day. We should have

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Speaker 1: a briefing and go Australia. This is what we need

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Speaker 1: to do and then we can get through it.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. Share your toilet paper around Dr Mark Cross. Anxiety

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Speaker 3: is available all good bookstores today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the book Anxiety.

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Speaker 3: Now I must have buy Anxiety.

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Speaker 1: You can read it when you're isolated.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Join the and Amanda in the morning