1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Back in the summer of nineteen ninety nine. I remember 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: sitting at the kitchen table at my parents' house. I 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: was eating my lunch when the phone rang. That call 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: was about to change my life. It was Professor Sally 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Carlos from Monash University and she was calling with the 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: news that I had been accepted into the Doctorate of 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: Organizational Psychology program at Monash University. It was my childhood 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: dream to become a psychologist, and now here I was 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: about to be accepted into the program that would make 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: that dream a reality. I was one of only five 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: people that was accepted into the program that year, so 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I should have been jumping for joy, but instead my 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: first thought upon receiving the call was there must have 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: been an administrative error. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: My name is doctor Amantha Imba. 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm an organizational psychologist and the founder of Behavioral Science 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Consultancy Inventium. And this is how how I work a 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: show about how to help you do your best work. 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Now it turns out there wasn't an administrative error. I 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: went on to become the youngest graduate from the program 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: and register as an organizational psychologist. Now what I had 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: experienced was a classic case of imposter syndrome, and it 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: turns out that I'm far from being alone in experiencing 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome, the persistent thought that we are undeserving of 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: our achievements. Scientific research has found that up to eighty 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: two percent of us experienced imposter syndrome, and I reckon 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: the other eighteen percent are probably too scared to admit it. 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: Through the one hundred plus interviews I've conducted now for 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: how I work, many of my guests have shared their 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: experience as with imposter syndrome. So today I wanted to 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: share a compilation of some of those interviews, and I 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: hope that if you've been known to think of yourself 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: as an impost, it might help you rethink or reframe 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: those thoughts. Sataeid spent many years feeling like she wasn't 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: as intelligent, as capable. 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: And as good as everyone thought she was. 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: This was despite the fact that she co founded in Varto, 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: a Melbourne based technology company worth over one billion dollars. 39 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I've known Sie for many years, and when I led 40 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: that she regularly suffered from impluster syndrome. 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: I was shocked. 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: I think that I spent a long time feeling like 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: I was trying to cover up feeling like I wasn't 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: actually as intelligent, as capable, as good as everyone maybe 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: thought I was. You know, I was running a fifty 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: person team at twenty seven, you know, and you know, 47 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: deeply inexperienced in doing that and had to learn on 48 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: the job a lot. And my coping mechanism was to go, oh, 49 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: I've well, no, it's okay, I've got it all figured out, 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: when in fact, act, you know, I didn't. And then 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: we went through a period where we had a lot 52 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: of very experienced people coming into the business and I 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: kind of thought, oh, well, I'll step aside again. The 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: big kids are here now, and they said, don't worry, 55 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: we got this, we know how to do this, and 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: then realizing that actually, oftentimes unfortunately they didn't, and that 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: there was something different about the way I was doing it, 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: which was helpful and useful and you know, better in 59 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: some cases. So I kind of had to figure out 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 3: what it was that was going on with me. I think, 61 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: especially you know, the tech VC world in the US, 62 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: they talk a big game. 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: I never did. 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: What did that mean about me? 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: You know? 66 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 5: It? 67 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: It was one of those things where I felt like 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: I really needed to address it, and there was a 69 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: few things I did, a few steps that I went through. 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: The first thing was is that I went and looked 71 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: around me to people who people that I just felt 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: like had a really natural confidence around them. And honestly, 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: those two people were best friend Natalie Tam and my husband, like, 74 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: honestly just naturally confident, you know, chilled out, you know, 75 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: just I wanted to emulate the two of them, not 76 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: to say that they thought they could do everything. I 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: just I felt like they I felt like they were 78 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: very effective in that they never worried about asking questions 79 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: that might make them look stupid. They never worried about that, 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: and I always worried about that. So I needed to 81 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: shift my thinking from wanting to seem like the smartest 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: person in the room to wanting to leave the room 83 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: being the smartest person in the room. And it was 84 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: It meant that I needed to ask questions constantly and 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: I needed to not care whether it made me look 86 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: like an idiot. I think I also needed to start 87 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: saying yes to opportunities even when they really scared me, 88 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: because for a long time I kind of tried to 89 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 3: avoid failing really and I had to get really used 90 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: to and comfortable failing all the time and figuring out 91 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: how to cope with that. And the more I do it, 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: the less it became about me, and the more it 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: became about the concept that I was just trying to 94 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: do really hard things, and that when you're try and 95 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: do really hard things that someone's never done before, oftentimes 96 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: you fail. And honestly, like I can tell you, I'm 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: probably about ten startups in all up, and there's a 98 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: lot you haven't heard about it and don't know about 99 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: because they didn't succeed. 100 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: And close them down. I mean, all that didn't work. 101 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: All right, Better shut that down and keep on going. 102 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 3: And I think the final step, the final piece of 103 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: the puzzle for me. And again it's making it sound 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: like I've got this completely figured out, which I don't. 105 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: But the most effective thing I did overall was I 106 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: got really clear about where I was weak and where 107 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: I was strong. So I think you know when you 108 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 3: have imposter syndrome. And I'm basing this anecdotally on other 109 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: people that I've spoken to, which I think is a 110 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: fairly human universal issue. The more and more time that 111 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: goes on, I believe that one tends to the whole 112 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: concept of where you're weak is so scary you never 113 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: look that way. And I think I had this idea 114 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: in my mind that I needed to be incredibly strong 115 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: in all areas. Again, I had to be this machine 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: who was as right brained as I was left brained, 117 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: and you know, and just had to know everything. And 118 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: I think I realized that that was impossible, and I 119 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: was setting totally unrealistic expectations on myself and again not 120 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: treating myself with a great deal of compassion. And I 121 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: decided that I needed to have a really critical look, 122 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: learn where I was really strong, but also learn where 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: I was really weak. Because I can adjust for my weaknesses, 124 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: I can hire I hire out my weaknesses. Now I 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: find people who balance me out and that can kind 126 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: of adjust. 127 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: I'm very left brained. 128 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: Person, so I need the left brains around me because 129 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: they do absolutely incredible work. And I think most people, 130 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: if their left brain, will hire other left brains. I 131 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: need guns of right brains. I need oper rational guns 132 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: around me. And I think once I realized where I 133 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: specifically could add value and where I just needed to 134 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: get out of the way and find really strong people 135 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: and trust them, that really helped me. It gave me 136 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: a lot of space to be really good at what 137 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: I did and free me up from constantly beating myself 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: and being beating myself up and being worried about the. 139 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: Areas where I was weak. 140 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned self talk a couple of times, and like 141 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: even just before like we were about to start, you know, 142 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: recording or doing what we're doing, you know, you mentioned 143 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: that you were feeling nervous. 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: I hope it's okay for me to say, like, what 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: is your self talk. 146 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: Before things like this and your approach I guess to 147 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: overcoming the nerves that you might be feeling, which I 148 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: must say shocks me because it's like you got this, 149 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: like you're awesome. Yeah, I think. 150 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: That I genuinely just I wouldn't say that I get 151 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: downright nervous anymore. But I was to a couple of 152 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: people that I know before I came in. 153 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I find it. 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm finding it difficult to hold to conduct a conversation 155 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: with you right now because my head is so in 156 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: like mentally preparing myself, and I think that it. 157 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: Is for me. 158 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: It's all about all right, Well, I genuinely want to 159 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: be really present in this conversation because I recognize that 160 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: people are giving up an hour of their time and 161 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: have woken up early in the morning and everything else 162 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: to be here. And it's about me providing, hopefully providing 163 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: some value in this conversation and of being an interesting conversation. 164 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: So I think I'm I used to get exceptionally nervous, 165 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: and a couple of things really helped. Once I was 166 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: on a panel and the interviewer asked a very very 167 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: complicated question and the woman next to me and I 168 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: was freaking out, like I don't know how to answer this, 169 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, And the woman next to me said, oh, 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't know the sort of that question. 171 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: Can you come back to me? 172 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: And I thought, that's. 173 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: A great answer. 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: That is a perfectly reasonable position to take. 175 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: And again that's thing about you don't need. 176 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: To know everything, you don't need to be the authority 177 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: on everything, which to me has been very, very freeing 178 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: and very helpful. And the other thing was, yet again, 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: you know, I was about to go on stage that 180 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: I was talking to you about this particular event. 181 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: I was telling this story that. 182 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: Because we were putting the mic on, and I said 183 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: that I went to an AFR event which was just 184 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: the whole audience was journo's, like three hundred of them, 185 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: and I was wearing this big, flowy yellow dress and 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: they said, we've got to put We've got to like 187 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: they do this thing where they like hook the mic 188 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: into your belts, but I didn't have a belt, so 189 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 3: they were like, what are you going to do with this? 190 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 3: So I'm like standing at the back in kind of 191 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: the audio visual area, pulling up my dress and trying 192 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: to stuff it into my underpants. It was like just 193 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: just like not the most empowering way to start an event. 194 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 3: But anyway, going up, the journalist said to me, she said, okay, 195 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about I'd really like to ask 196 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: you this question about what's this new ruling with listed companies. 197 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: It's new ruling with listed companies. 198 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 4: What does it mean? 199 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: Invited is not a listed company. It is not an 200 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: era of interest for me at all, like literally, not 201 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: even slightly. And I could feel my heart starting to 202 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: you know, boom boom boom boom imposter syndrome. I'm going 203 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: to be found out. They're going to realize I shouldn't 204 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: be here. This is going to be super embarrassing, and 205 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 3: instead I just turned around and I said to her, listen, 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: you're very welcome to ask me that question, but I 207 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: honestly have no idea. I have no idea what the 208 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 3: answer is, so I will literally just stay on stage. 209 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry we're not listed. This isn't an aera 210 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: of interest for me. You should ask someone else. And again, 211 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 3: they sound like really little things, but really helpful in times. 212 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 3: You know, in times like that where you're kind of 213 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: there's pressure and you're on stage and you kind of 214 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: you want to you. 215 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: Want to perform and be useful. 216 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: If you saw Dom Price speak at a conference, you 217 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: would assume that he is the most confident person in 218 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: the room. He is very tall and has a booming 219 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: voice and leads research and development for Atlasian, one of 220 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: the biggest technology companies on the planet. Yet Dom experiences 221 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome every single day. 222 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 5: Oh every single day. Like I do an amazing job 223 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 5: of hiding it. 224 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 6: I have the best mask of anyone I know, and 225 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 6: I use my confidence and my outgoing nature and a 226 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 6: lot of things. 227 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 5: I have my artillery to kind of handle that. 228 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 6: But you know, I was on stage, I did an 229 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 6: event with Amazon earlier this year in ICC and even 230 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 6: though I knew it was in the convention center, I 231 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 6: didn't realize it was in the main hall. I arrived 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 6: and there's ten thousand people filtering into the room and 233 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 6: I've got a twenty minute keynote, and I'm like, I 234 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 6: have no right to be here. There's nine ten thousand, 235 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 6: like highly technical C suite senior leaders who really know 236 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 6: their stuff. The people that went on before me had 237 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 6: invented artificial intelligence and robotics. Like, there's young geniuses, there's 238 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 6: young entrepreneurs, and I'm like, I'm a fraud. And you 239 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 6: get yet all those thoughts go through and you're like, 240 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 6: you know what they asked me to be here. I've 241 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 6: got my twenty minutes and I'm going to deliver it 242 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 6: and I'll own it. And if it doesn't go well, 243 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 6: I'll listen to the feedback, and if it does go well, 244 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 6: I'll ignore the feedback. And it went amazingly well. Of 245 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 6: course it went amazingly well. He was always going to 246 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 6: but that that sort of feeling of I'm out of 247 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 6: my depth. 248 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 5: I'm going to get caught out. 249 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 6: Someone's going to knock on the door and say your 250 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 6: time's up, mate, You've you've had a good run. 251 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 5: You've been caught out. And I think it's a weird one. 252 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 6: Because it's part of I think when you acknowledge it 253 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 6: and you embrace it, it's actually a massive intrinsic motivator 254 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 6: to continually push and evolve and listen deeply to feedback. 255 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 6: And it's ironic that I think a lot of people 256 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 6: see it as if you've got imposter syndrome, you need 257 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 6: to stop listening to the to the devil voice or 258 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 6: to the negativity. 259 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 5: And actually I go seeking that out now. 260 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm a glutton for punishment, but 261 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 6: I got some feedback this morning from an event I 262 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 6: did in the US recently, and I ignored all the 263 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 6: four and five's out of fives and straight went straight 264 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 6: to the ones and twos because I wanted to know 265 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 6: what people hated about it. 266 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 5: And so, yeah, I don't. 267 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 6: Know whether it's a sign of madness or maverickness, but 268 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 6: I actually now go looking for some of that detractor 269 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 6: statements because that enables me to say I'm in charge 270 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 6: of this. I'm in control of me, and I'm in 271 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 6: control of my destination and of course there's externalities and 272 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 6: things will always go wrong, but in the long run, 273 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 6: I'm going to be all right. And if I keep 274 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 6: my eyes and ears open and listen to what's happening 275 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 6: in the world, then I'll be prepared to handle that 276 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 6: next time. So all I can do is continually improve myself, 277 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 6: listen and adapt and adopt. And if I do that, 278 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 6: I've got a chance. And the minute I shut down 279 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 6: and try and be a singular version of me, or 280 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 6: stop listening, or get so arrogant and so brought up 281 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 6: in my own story that I don't actually take account 282 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 6: of others, then that's when all the wheels fall off. 283 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 6: So I think, as long as the mindset's there, it 284 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 6: can be managed, and it doesn't need to be something 285 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 6: that causes paralysis. It can be something that actually motivates 286 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 6: and spurs you on. 287 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: So how do you do that? 288 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: Like reading through those ones and twos and feeling excited 289 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: almost to read through those as opposed to completely demoralize, 290 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: Like what strategies are you using so that you don't 291 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: just fall in a heap? 292 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: Like is it self talk? Like what's going on in 293 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: your head? 294 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 5: Then yeah, there's a couple of things. 295 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 6: One is kind of the generic platitude of I'm never 296 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 6: going to be someone like with my style and the 297 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 6: stories I've got. I know it's highly unlikely for me 298 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 6: to be in a large room and for everyone to 299 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 6: like what I say, And if I wanted that as 300 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 6: an objective, I probably shouldn't be doing the job I'm 301 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 6: doing on the topic I'm talking about because I'm talking 302 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 6: about things that often make people uncomfortable. I talk about 303 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 6: robots and automation and changes in roles. I talk about 304 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 6: diversity and inclusion. I talk about privilege. I talk about 305 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 6: innovation and how we don't actually do it well. I 306 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 6: talk about the future of work and all the change 307 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 6: that we're not ready for, and all these heritage businesses 308 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 6: that are going to be dysfunctional or or just not 309 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 6: exist because they're so stuck in the past. And people 310 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 6: find that challenging. They internalize it. It's confronting, and I 311 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 6: know it's always going to take a few people over 312 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 6: the edge. So I'm not aiming for five out of five. 313 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 6: I think I could change in theory. I could change 314 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 6: my style and my delivery and get a five out five. 315 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 6: I don't think that would make me any happier. I 316 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 6: think that would make me generically worse. And so once 317 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 6: I've accepted that I'm not going to sit on the fence, 318 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 6: therefore my audience won't sit on the fence. I have 319 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 6: to accept that I'm going to get that mixture. And 320 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 6: so the trick for me is I'm actually looking for 321 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 6: the constructive comments, which actionable. So it's one just and 322 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 6: I had some of these. The one just writes I 323 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 6: don't like what you talked about. I'm like, cool, the 324 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 6: thing I can do about that. 325 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: That's your view. My view, they're different, jog on. 326 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 6: What I'm looking for are the people saying here's what 327 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 6: I wanted to take away, but here's what I got instead. 328 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, cool, My bio and brief didn't 329 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 6: match what I've lived in the talk. I can go 330 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 6: back and look at that. Or someone who said that 331 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 6: I spoke too quickly or I confused them with one 332 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 6: of my points, I can go back and improve on that. 333 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 6: So what I'm looking for there are the insights that 334 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 6: helped me get better, not the negative nancies or negative 335 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 6: nora is that I just sat there going I didn't 336 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 6: like it, because you're always going to get a few 337 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 6: people who fold their arms and just say computer says now, 338 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 6: and I'm like, that's okay. I'm going to choose to 339 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 6: ignore those because that's not actionable. You've had your event. 340 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 6: Good on you, and we're actually going to focus my 341 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 6: time on the people that put their energy into give 342 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 6: me a constructive comment, and that's something that I can 343 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 6: work on. 344 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: When I interviewed Broad City creator, writer and star Abby 345 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: Jacobson on how I work about a year or two ago, now, 346 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: I think my stomach was doing somersaults. 347 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 2: I have been a huge fan. 348 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Of Abby's work for years, and I'd read that she 349 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: had a severe case of imposter syndrome during the early 350 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: seasons of broad City, and I remember being curious as 351 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: to whether she still experienced it. 352 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 7: I think it goes in and out where I feel 353 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 7: way more confident now in actually being good at what 354 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 7: I do. But then again, I'll be at a thing 355 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 7: like an event or a panel or something, and I'll 356 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 7: be taken completely right back there where I'm like, what 357 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 7: am I doing here? 358 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 4: Why does anyone. 359 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 7: Care what I have to say about this topic? And 360 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 7: or if I'm like on a set, you know, I 361 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 7: get I get very nervous before performances or new things. 362 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 7: And I while that still is, you know, doubting myself 363 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 7: and and you know, feeling that like some I'm going 364 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 7: to be like exposed for not being good or or actually, 365 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 7: I think it's good to have a little bit of that, 366 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 7: is what I'm saying. Where I get I'm happy that 367 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 7: I still get very nervous even if I'm maybe shouldn't be, 368 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 7: like if I have nothing to be nervous about, like 369 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 7: I totally should be on this panel of writers or 370 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 7: I should be giving a talk, you know, at this event. 371 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 7: Like if there ever was a day where I was like, yeah, 372 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 7: I fucking should be here, it's like, fuck you. I 373 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 7: don't want to be like that, Like I want to 374 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 7: always be looking at myself and questioning, you know, where 375 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 7: I am right now in my career and sort of 376 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 7: measuring like how far I've come and know that there's 377 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 7: still so much farther to go. So like, even if 378 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 7: I am really confident in what I'm doing right now 379 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 7: and the projects I'm working on, I still can be 380 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 7: so much better. So there still is that. 381 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting that you kind of embrace 382 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: it when you're feeling that in pluster syndrome and the 383 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: nerves a good thing. I guess it says that you 384 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: know you care and also that you're not becoming this compleat, 385 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: arrogant monster. 386 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 7: Yeah, and like I know those people, and I know 387 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 7: people that are like that, and I just I feel like, 388 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 7: I'm like, if you're like that when you're alone by yourself, 389 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 7: I think all the time, I think that that's something wrong. 390 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 7: I think you need to kind of check yourself because 391 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 7: I listen. I I do want want to be more 392 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 7: kind of outwardly confident. Sometimes I feel like I'm showing 393 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 7: my cards a little too much with my insecurities. It 394 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 7: changes every day for me. 395 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 4: I think. 396 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: I first met Wendy Stops when we shared the stage 397 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: at a conference for Commonwealth Bank of Australia, the biggest 398 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: company in all of the nation with a market cap 399 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: of around one hundred and fifty billion dollars and Wendy 400 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: sits on the board of Combank as a non executive director. 401 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: She's also on the board of Cole's Group and Fitted 402 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: for Work, so basically she's a bit of a powerhouse. 403 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: And despite this, Wendy still has moments of feeling like 404 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: an impostor what have been the best pieces of advice 405 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: that you've received that have had a big impact on 406 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: how you've approached things around work. 407 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's interesting because people always asked, did you have mentors? 408 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 8: I never really had mentors in my career, and it's 409 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 8: surprising I foun out ho many other people were exactly 410 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 8: the same. Actually, but I always I guess I don't 411 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 8: know that it's so much advice that's been given to me, 412 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 8: but as more as things that I've learned over time, 413 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 8: and when people ask me, you know, particularly the younger 414 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 8: generation today as they're sort of working their way up 415 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 8: their ladder, and I think the younger generation today is 416 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 8: a little bit more susceptible to oh, I don't like that, 417 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 8: so I'll go find another job, or I'll you know, 418 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 8: do this, whereas in I guess back in my day, 419 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 8: you're kind of stuck with things, you know for a while. 420 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 8: But the things I always say to people, some of 421 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 8: the key tips I give them is firstly, do your 422 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 8: job and do it well. That's square one. You don't 423 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 8: get anywhere by not doing your job well. And people say, well, 424 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 8: that's obvious, and I'm like, well it's not obvious because 425 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 8: when I say do your job and do it well, 426 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 8: I mean whatever you're asked to do, do it and 427 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 8: do it well. So if you ask to go and 428 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 8: photocopy two hundred pages, you show them you're the best 429 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 8: damn a copy that they've ever seen, you know, So 430 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 8: you know, don't winge about the things that are a 431 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 8: bit boring or whatever. Every job has good bits and 432 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 8: bad bits or whatever, and you've just got to do 433 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 8: them all. 434 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 4: Well, that's my theory. 435 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 8: And then you know, if you're doing your base job well, 436 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 8: you get noticed. 437 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 4: For starters if you're doing it well. 438 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 8: But again, then gives you a license to use a 439 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 8: little bit of creativity or a little bit of innovation 440 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 8: or put up your hand. And I say to people, 441 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 8: just volunteer for things that are just not outside the 442 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 8: day to day job. So you know, someone wants someone 443 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 8: to help with the annual Christmas party, or volunteer or 444 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 8: someone you know. I remember years ago I was I'd 445 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 8: come back from a stint overseas and I come back, 446 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 8: I went onto this account. 447 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 4: I was a consultant. 448 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 8: Then I went onto this account and there's a few 449 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 8: of us on there, and I noticed that we hadn't 450 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 8: done like an account plan for that account. So I 451 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 8: asked the person who was leading the account, would you 452 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 8: mind if I help you? No, No, go ahead, you know, 453 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 8: I mean. I did that, and it wasn't less than 454 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 8: twelve months later I was actually running the account right. 455 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 8: So because then to the boss, I was the obvious successor, 456 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 8: because I was switched on to what we needed, you 457 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 8: know whatever, whereas everyone else was just doing their day job, 458 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 8: you know. So I always say to people, just stick 459 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 8: your neck out a little bit, but you can't do 460 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 8: that if you're not doing your job well. Start stick 461 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 8: your neck out, volunteer, do some things. Don't do it 462 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 8: to the point where you can't do your job well, 463 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 8: but enough that you get noticed and you expose yourself 464 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 8: to more people in the organization, because when it comes 465 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 8: to promotion times and things like that, you just don't 466 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 8: want the soul voice that's speaking for you. 467 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: You want multiple people to speak for you. So sort 468 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: of being out there a little bit, you know. 469 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 8: So there's some of the base the basic advice that 470 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 8: I give people, and I could probably sit here for 471 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 8: an hour and reel off a few more, but they're 472 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 8: the base ones that I say that you've just got 473 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 8: to get right and stick yourself out there and put 474 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 8: your hand up and do some things. 475 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's great. 476 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: And like you said, they're like, there's actually probably not 477 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: that many people that do their job well and every 478 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: part of their job and embrace even the seemingly more 479 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: menial or less challenging parts with the with the same 480 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: vigor that they will approach Well. 481 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 8: I've always said the people the bad times are the 482 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 8: best times because you learn so much in those bad times. 483 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 8: It then makes you a better person for the next 484 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 8: job or the next career or whatever it may be. 485 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 8: So you know you asked me before about the tough 486 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 8: times with we'real commission and whatever. Yes, it's been tough, 487 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 8: but I've learned a lot as well, and I am 488 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 8: now you know, even more switched on with not just 489 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 8: that board, but my other boards as well, you know, 490 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 8: with various things. So I'm a great believer in learning 491 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 8: from the bad times. And don't just bail. You know, 492 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 8: some people just want to bail. Oh it's tough, I'm 493 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 8: getting out of here. I'm going to go No, no, no, 494 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 8: stick it out, because you'll learn so much you'll come 495 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 8: out the other end much stronger, much tougher, and you'll 496 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 8: be a better in terms of moving your career. 497 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, God, I couldn't agree more that the hard 498 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: times with Inventium have been where the most powerful lessons 499 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: have come from for me. 500 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 4: Exactly. 501 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: That is it for today's show. 502 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this compilation of people talking about 503 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. If you know somebody who is perhaps suffering 504 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: from a bit of imposter syndrome, you might want to 505 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: share this episode with them. Maybe it will help them 506 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: feel better about it and maybe give them some ideas 507 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: for reframing it in their own mind. How I Work 508 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: is produced by Inventium with production support from Dead Set Studios, 509 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: and thank you to Martin Imber who did the audio 510 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: mix and makes everything sound better than it would have otherwise. 511 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: Next week on How I Work, I am so excited. 512 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: To have one of my favorite guests of. 513 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: All time back, the amazing Adam Grant, who is an 514 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: organizational psychologist, professor at Wharton, best selling author, and just 515 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: all around amazing person. We will be getting into how 516 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: to rethink your thoughts, how to make better decisions, and 517 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: all sorts of other practical science based advice, so please 518 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: join me for that and hit subscribe wherever you listen 519 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: to this podcast so you'll be alerted when that episode drops. 520 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: See you next time.