Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro
Speaker 1: and Matt Zakowski are officially husband and wife, and the
Speaker 1: privacy debate surrounding Liam Payne's funeral. But first, there's an
Speaker 1: influencer story that would normally be headlining our show, but
Speaker 1: due to legal reasons, we have to be careful about
Speaker 1: how we discuss it. Yeah, so what we can say
Speaker 1: is a Queensland influencer prolific on TikTok, is being investigated
Speaker 1: for child harm against her toddler. It's been confirmed that
Speaker 1: the one year old was placed in foster care on
Speaker 1: the twenty first of October after medical staff reported serious concerns. Now,
Speaker 1: the medical staff raised the alarm, suspecting it could be
Speaker 1: a case of Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, which is a
Speaker 1: psychological disorder in which a caregiver allegedly abuses a child
Speaker 1: and presents them as sick. Now, Queensland Police have released
Speaker 1: statement saying that they have taken action to protect the
Speaker 1: child and have commenced an investigation. Their statement continued, saying
Speaker 1: as this is an active investigation, it would be inappropriate
Speaker 1: to provide further comment. At a press conference, South Brisbane
Speaker 1: District Chief Superintendent Andrew Palotto described the investigation as protracted
Speaker 1: and complicated, adding it will take a bit of time,
Speaker 1: but I can assure you the child is safe whilst
Speaker 1: the investigation is ongoing. Since the news broke, the family's
Speaker 1: social media accounts have been taken down. It's important to
Speaker 1: note the charges are yet to be laid. Despite all
Speaker 1: of this, the influencer in question has broken her silence.
Speaker 1: Talking to nine News, she said it's so unfair and
Speaker 1: it's getting addressed at the moment without the proper counsel.
Speaker 1: When quin's further, she said, I can't speak too much.
Speaker 1: I will get my lawyer to contact you. I do
Speaker 1: really appreciate the call. The reporter asked then if she
Speaker 1: had harmed her daughter, to which she replied, I can't
Speaker 1: talk to you. I've said this is a matter that
Speaker 1: cannot be spoken on, which is strange because why take
Speaker 1: the phone call in the first place. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be disappointed that
Speaker 1: we're not talking about this story in depth because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people on TikTok talking about it and
Speaker 1: naming the family. However, as this woman has yet to
Speaker 1: be charged, we just can't name her. And also, this
Speaker 1: story is really complicated because the toddler has been put
Speaker 1: into foster care and there are issues around identifying her.
Speaker 1: This story really reminds me of the Ruby Frankie case
Speaker 1: in the US, so she was an influencer who was
Speaker 1: charged with child abuse and a lot of her followers
Speaker 1: were actually picking up on the signs that things were
Speaker 1: not normal in the household, and it was a very
Speaker 1: complicated story that played out in court. So I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see what is going to happen in the future
Speaker 1: with this because, as you said, Sophie, it's so complicated
Speaker 1: now that the child has been taken into foster care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be one that the mainstream media
Speaker 1: will cover in depth. They've already shown their interest in
Speaker 1: the story because they're reporting on it despite being able
Speaker 1: to actually name this family. And what's interesting is the
Speaker 1: fact that the mother involved in this story is actually
Speaker 1: actively talking to the media, which I find odd because
Speaker 1: you've explained that the media are unable to name her
Speaker 1: at the moment. So if I was her, I'd be
Speaker 1: staying quiet. I feel like it's going to be a
Speaker 1: really messy one because this is an influencer family involved.
Speaker 1: There's already a lot of influencer watchdog accounts who are
Speaker 1: naming the family and also allowing people to comment on
Speaker 1: the news and on Saturday Morning, Influences in the Wild
Speaker 1: wrongly names Sophia Beg and Jack Golding as the influencers involved.
Speaker 1: This post was online for at least four hours and
Speaker 1: it is just blatantly wrong. I mean, Sophia Beg doesn't
Speaker 1: even have any children. That's the US side, isn't it Yea,
Speaker 1: So they must have got completely confused about the story.
Speaker 1: They got their wires really crossed, and this is a
Speaker 1: blatant act of defamation. Surely Sophia Beg's legal team have
Speaker 1: already gotten to this. We know they were very proactive
Speaker 1: in sending a legal threat to those influencers who were
Speaker 1: set to release information about her and a friendship breakdown.
Speaker 1: And their mum's a lawyer as well. Well. These stories
Speaker 1: highlight how there are so many legalities around sort of
Speaker 1: citis and reporting because a lot of these people who
Speaker 1: run these pages, they are not journalists. They don't understand
Speaker 1: the laws and they're really opening themselves up to a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble because the reality is it's not until
Speaker 1: this couple is charged that they are able to be
Speaker 1: legally named, as well as the complexities surrounding the foster
Speaker 1: situation as well.
Speaker 2: I just hope you know marriage is a serious thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is actually a serious thing, and like, I hope
Speaker 2: you don't make any mistakes.
Speaker 1: After months of breakup rumors and cheating allegations, Tammy Hembro
Speaker 1: and Matzakowski have defied the odds, tying them not in
Speaker 1: Byron Bay over the weekend. Controversially, The Daily Mail were
Speaker 1: the first published photos of the newly married couple allegedly
Speaker 1: flying a drone over the ceremony. Now, Sophie, it's not
Speaker 1: totally surprising that the paparazzi were able to track down
Speaker 1: this wedding, considering Sophia Beg accidentally leaked the invite months ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. She really did help out The Daily Mail
Speaker 1: in this case because she shared a close up photo
Speaker 1: of Tammy and Matt's wedding invite in one of her
Speaker 1: vlogs back in May, and I think she was just
Speaker 1: so overwhelmed and excited to be invited that she forgot
Speaker 1: about what a big deal this wedding was. Well, it
Speaker 1: seems like she's been uninvited because she was nowhere to
Speaker 1: be seen at this wedding. Well, I'm not surprised. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were talking about cutting numbers, and clearly, if you're
Speaker 1: thinking about the first person to go, it's the person
Speaker 1: who's made the lead up to the wedding difficult for you,
Speaker 1: because we know matt was being brutal about cutting the
Speaker 1: partners of some of his really close friends. So surely, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sophia Beg was the first to get a line through.
Speaker 1: How did Tammy and Sophia even know each other? I
Speaker 1: assume through an influencer trip. I mean there's quite an
Speaker 1: age gap between them. Sophia instead went to a twenty
Speaker 1: first birthday party, and it seemed like she wanted her
Speaker 1: followers to know that she was there and not at
Speaker 1: the wedding. Yeah. Well, there were a lot of influencers
Speaker 1: snapped arriving at this wedding, So Ruby Tuesday, Matthews was there.
Speaker 1: She was with her partner Shannon Dodd, Lily Brown, and
Speaker 1: Jack Kenny as well as m Davies who actually ignored
Speaker 1: the invite request not to bring children because her daughter
Speaker 1: Iland was there, because that's something else we found. So
Speaker 1: once Sophia beg leaked or accidentally leaked the invite, it
Speaker 1: then led super Sloose to locate the online wedding invite,
Speaker 1: and basically people saw that children weren't allowed except her
Speaker 1: own children. And also everyone was quite shocked to hear
Speaker 1: that she was having a wishing well. I was on
Speaker 1: the other side of it though, because I think it's
Speaker 1: fair enough to ask for money at your wedding well.
Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt spoke recently about the wishing well on
Speaker 1: his podcast and they were saying that there was no
Speaker 1: way that they expected guests to give them two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: They didn't know where that figure was because that was
Speaker 1: a rumor that was on influencer updates. I mean, Tammy
Speaker 1: has before said that that's absolutely ridiculous and that she
Speaker 1: was getting a lot of requests with people saying what
Speaker 1: do you want for your wedding, and it was easier
Speaker 1: to just say, let's do a wishing well. Yeah, back
Speaker 1: to the guests. Anna macavoy, who's Matt's co host on
Speaker 1: his podcast. She attracted a lot of attention for the
Speaker 1: dress that she chose to wear because it did have
Speaker 1: a very large slit. It was quite revealing. It was
Speaker 1: a blue gown. She was told that she was stealing
Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro's thunder, which is quite ironic because when Anna
Speaker 1: got married earlier in the year, Tammy was accused of
Speaker 1: stealing her thumber. But it wasn't about what Tammy was wearing.
Speaker 1: It was about her star power and that she was
Speaker 1: pulling attention away by just attending the wedding. I could
Speaker 1: have seen this headline coming a mile away. There was
Speaker 1: always going to be one guest that was accused of
Speaker 1: stealing the attention from Tammy. It happens at every single
Speaker 1: influence a wedding. I didn't think there was anything wrong
Speaker 1: with anastrous. I thought she looked stunning. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it looked that different to what other people were wearing.
Speaker 1: It's not like she wropped up in a white or
Speaker 1: shall I say, pink dress. Because Tammy's dress was incredible.
Speaker 1: She is getting a lot of attention for the dress
Speaker 1: she wore down the aisle. If I had been told
Speaker 1: prior to seeing the photo that Tammy wore a pink dress,
Speaker 1: I would have thought, ooh, how hideous, But I loved it.
Speaker 1: She looked absolutely stunning. She looked the best I've ever
Speaker 1: seen her look. I do wonder if the Daily Mail,
Speaker 1: because they were the first ones to release these photos.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they turned up the saturation because her
Speaker 1: dress looked very pink and I don't think I think
Speaker 1: it was that pink in real life. Because her tan
Speaker 1: also got a lot of comments, people were saying she
Speaker 1: looked very orange. Yeah. Well, the day after the wedding,
Speaker 1: Tammy posted a photo of her in Matt's hands with
Speaker 1: their wedding rings on it, and she didn't look that
Speaker 1: orange in that photo. There's a few recovery photos floating
Speaker 1: around the place of Tammy, and she definitely wasn't as
Speaker 1: orange as she appeed in that photo. As well. I
Speaker 1: saw Anna macavoy posted some recovery photos and it was
Speaker 1: very reminiscent of the photos taken prior to her wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had one where they had all of their rings
Speaker 1: in together. It was like who was comparing whose wedding bands?
Speaker 1: Photo of each of the couple. But I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1: What is the etiquette around posting recovery photos? Is it
Speaker 1: all good?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 1: I think that everyone's got the green light to do
Speaker 1: the recovery photos because so many people are doing it.
Speaker 1: I think that there must be a lot of slagging
Speaker 1: off about the Daily Mail happening, and so people are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I better not post a photo of
Speaker 1: any of her wedding outfits. Is quite interesting because Isabelle Laws,
Speaker 1: who is the general manager of Tammy's active where brown SASKI.
Speaker 1: She ended up commenting under one influencer updates posts where
Speaker 1: she shared the photo, and she wrote so disrespectful that
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail had an illegal drone fly over the
Speaker 1: ceremony and leak the entire thing. How this is supported
Speaker 1: is absolutely beyond me. It's crazy that Isabelle actually took
Speaker 1: time out of the wedding to share that comment. But
Speaker 1: are we really that surprised This wedding has been touted
Speaker 1: as the influencer wedding of the year. Matt and Tammy
Speaker 1: have been talking about it all over their social feeds,
Speaker 1: all over their podcasts. It's not that surprising that The
Speaker 1: Daily Mail would try and get that first shot. Tammy
Speaker 1: and Matt should have done what Laura Burn and Maddy
Speaker 1: Jay did because Laura and Maddie noticed that a paparazzo
Speaker 1: had got into their wedding and they thought, fuck it,
Speaker 1: We're not going to let them get the scoop. So
Speaker 1: they ended up posting a photo from their wedding straight away.
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail may have beat them to it, but
Speaker 1: they could have steered some of that attention over to
Speaker 1: their own way. Cour This is what makes me think
Speaker 1: that they have a deal with Vogue. We recently saw
Speaker 1: podcaster Nicki Westcott get a deal with them, and she
Speaker 1: waited several days to share her wedding photos. At the
Speaker 1: time of recording, we haven't seen a wedding photo from
Speaker 1: Tammy or Matt, so I wouldn't be surprised if we're
Speaker 1: going to see one in a couple of days time.
Speaker 1: A huge spread about their wedding. Well, this wedding looked
Speaker 1: like it belonged in Vogue, and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of anticipation because we know that Tammy did a deal
Speaker 1: with Vera Wang for the wedding dress. A couple of
Speaker 1: super slous are saying that this dress isn't a custom
Speaker 1: gown by Vera Wang that it is one off the
Speaker 1: rack and that's on the website currently. It does come
Speaker 1: in pink and ivory because people were saying that they've
Speaker 1: fallen in love with this dress, they want to get
Speaker 1: it for their weddings. And for those who haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: it's strapless. It had a very tight corset bodice, and
Speaker 1: it had this very elaborateal train with a long ivory veil.
Speaker 1: There was some discussion about her mixing ivory and pink,
Speaker 1: but overall everyone loved the dress. Is it one of
Speaker 1: those dresses though, that only really looks good on Tammy Hembro,
Speaker 1: Like you know, like when you go when you want
Speaker 1: to get a new haircut and then you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not going to look as cool their blonde bob.
Speaker 1: She's definitely got the figure for it. A lot of
Speaker 1: listeners said that she looked straight out of the Barbie
Speaker 1: movie and that she's never looked better. And I love
Speaker 1: that she continued the theme by having a large pink marquee,
Speaker 1: which was pictured behind the ceremony location. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: proper photos of it yet, but that was one of
Speaker 1: the photos that was captured by the drone when I
Speaker 1: saw these leaked photos, it was so clear that Matt
Speaker 1: Zakowski had nothing to do with the planning, Like this
Speaker 1: had Tammy all over it. Yeah, but at the beginning
Speaker 1: he said he was going to be a groom zilla
Speaker 1: and he wanted to be at every meeting. But I
Speaker 1: get the vibe that Tammy and her wedding planners just
Speaker 1: went off separately. I saw some TikTok where Tammy was
Speaker 1: saying that Matt would be in these zoom meetings and
Speaker 1: just say really stupid things. Yeah, just like, honey, could
Speaker 1: you just shut up people in saying that. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he had anything to do with the ceremony setup,
Speaker 1: because all people could focus on once those drone images
Speaker 1: were released. So for those who haven't seen the photos,
Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt were at the front on this beautiful
Speaker 1: pair of steps, and then there was this hedge and
Speaker 1: a pool, and the guests were seated around the pool
Speaker 1: behind the hedge. So people were saying, could they even
Speaker 1: see what was going on? It was quite interesting because
Speaker 1: where they got married is this chateau, which is an
Speaker 1: airbea be It cost seven thousand dollars a night to
Speaker 1: stay there. But on the website, it doesn't describe itself
Speaker 1: as a wedding venue in saying that though Pat Cummens
Speaker 1: recently got married there and Matt Damon has previously stayed
Speaker 1: there in the past. But it makes me think maybe
Speaker 1: that area has never been set up for a wedding before,
Speaker 1: because sometimes wedding planners will possibly close off the pool area,
Speaker 1: which would have made a lot more sense because they
Speaker 1: then could have had the seats on top and people
Speaker 1: actually facing the front. Well, I want to know how
Speaker 1: Tammy actually walked down that aisle, because there's a photo
Speaker 1: of her arriving at that point and she's standing directly
Speaker 1: in front of the pool. So did they have something
Speaker 1: that she could walk across the pool? Was there like
Speaker 1: a person? I think she must have just chosen one
Speaker 1: side to walk down. But the other bizarre thing about
Speaker 1: this seating plan was that the guests weren't even facing
Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt. They were actually facing each other, which
Speaker 1: would have been super awkward. They were looking over the
Speaker 1: pool and a lot of people were saying, God, their
Speaker 1: next must have been saw because they were literally craning
Speaker 1: to get a glimpse of the couple, and also because
Speaker 1: they were seat quite low down because Tammy and Matt
Speaker 1: they were up several steps and they were in front
Speaker 1: of the chateau. People were saying, could they even see
Speaker 1: them past the hedges?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was weird because people noticed that Matt's groomsmen
Speaker 1: were standing on concrete, whereas Tammy's bridesmaids were standing on grass,
Speaker 1: so their high heels were likely sinking into so a
Speaker 1: lot of people saying it must have been Tammy's good side,
Speaker 1: because it's like, fuck it, I'm going to be on
Speaker 1: my good side. They can sink into the grass. We
Speaker 1: picked the bridesmaid dresses. I want to point out they
Speaker 1: were black, strapless dresses, and I feel like black is
Speaker 1: this season's color. Well, Amy Weddings, you wanted to do
Speaker 1: black originally I was thinking about it, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really think it was a summer color. I felt like
Speaker 1: it was you know, it's a bit too hot to
Speaker 1: be wearing black. What was also quite strange about this
Speaker 1: setup is that around the pool area there was a fence,
Speaker 1: so once Tammy had walked down the aisle, they closed
Speaker 1: the pool gate, so they basically closed all of the
Speaker 1: guests out of that area and all of the photographers
Speaker 1: and videographers stood at the gate so they were getting
Speaker 1: the best front on view of the ceremony. It seemed
Speaker 1: like it was all about appearances and all about the photos,
Speaker 1: not necessarily making it feel like an intimate ceremony. We
Speaker 1: fair like most weddings, we noticed this is not like
Speaker 1: most weddings. Most weddings you have the guests as close
Speaker 1: as possible so they can actually be a part of it.
Speaker 1: And I think what was quite sad is that Tammy's
Speaker 1: kids were involved in the wedding. So her son Wolf
Speaker 1: was a page boy, and her daughters Posey and Saskia
Speaker 1: were flower girls, and they were in the closed off
Speaker 1: Paul area. They weren't even up the front with the bridesmaids.
Speaker 1: And guessing Matt Paul wasn't at this wedding because we
Speaker 1: do know that they're very amicable. They seem to be
Speaker 1: on good terms now, but I didn't see any photos
Speaker 1: of him. Look, you don't have your ex fiance at
Speaker 1: your wedding. Well, the Daily Mail's drone shot showed just
Speaker 1: how exclusive the wedding was. There weren't that many people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt said on their podcast that they were
Speaker 1: having one hundred and thirteen people. I think that's what's
Speaker 1: the number. Well, one person who was missing from the
Speaker 1: ceremony was Tammy's dad, and this actually sparked a lot
Speaker 1: of rumors about people saying, oh, maybe he didn't approve
Speaker 1: of her marrying Matt. But sadly, it turned out that
Speaker 1: he actually injured himself before the ceremony, and if you
Speaker 1: can believe it, he injured himself while he was at
Speaker 1: the hairdresser. So if I was Tammy, I would have
Speaker 1: been so mad because her dad left his haircut to
Speaker 1: the day of the wedding and then something snapped in
Speaker 1: his leg when he was at the hairdresser. He ended
Speaker 1: up having to go to hospital and arrived at the
Speaker 1: reception on crutches. I wish she had her reality show
Speaker 1: because that just sounds like one of those plots in it,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't even sound real. Yeah, I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: they didn't try and push the ceremony back a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I suppose this wedding is a massive event, and
Speaker 1: when it comes to weddings, yes, you can probably push
Speaker 1: it by half an hour. But I suppose maybe her
Speaker 1: dad was stuck in emergency or something. Okay, you mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier how Tammy had shared a photo of her wedding
Speaker 1: rings on Instagram, But all I could notice in that
Speaker 1: photo was her new tattoo, which was the date of
Speaker 1: the wedding. Well, I was wondering when she actually got
Speaker 1: it done, because in the week leading into the wedding,
Speaker 1: Matt ramped up the wedding spond Colm and he shared
Speaker 1: back to back sponsored reales. One of them was promoting
Speaker 1: a numbing cream and the last time he spooked this brand,
Speaker 1: he was using it to remove his ex girlfriend's name
Speaker 1: from his bum. This time around, he was using it
Speaker 1: to get a tattoo dedicated to the wedding. So he
Speaker 1: ended up getting Always and Forever tattooed on him and
Speaker 1: it was written in Tammy's handwriting. Side note, she has
Speaker 1: the most beautiful handwriting. So I'm wondering if Tammy got
Speaker 1: her tattoo then well, there's other speculation that maybe they
Speaker 1: had a tattoo artist at the ceremony because a lot
Speaker 1: of people are now doing that. So basically, you go
Speaker 1: and sign your wedding certificate and then you go and
Speaker 1: get your tattoo of the date. It's very on brand
Speaker 1: for Tammy. To have a tattoo artist at her wedding.
Speaker 1: She loves getting tattoos. I recently was listening to Happy
Speaker 1: Hour with Lucy and Nikki and they were talking about
Speaker 1: a number of their jagged parties that they had, where
Speaker 1: Tammy Hambro would just be like, yep, We'm gonna get
Speaker 1: that random dragon. Well, how many tattoos do Matt and
Speaker 1: Tammy have dedicated to each other. It's getting ridiculous now.
Speaker 1: I am very much looking forward to when the official
Speaker 1: photos get released. When do you guys think it will
Speaker 1: be or whenever Vogue drops them? Actually, probably just night
Speaker 1: that we're recording, because it always seems to happen. So
Speaker 1: if you have seen those photos, this has been pre
Speaker 1: recorded on Monday after we reckon. Tammy's going to jump
Speaker 1: on a podcast with Matt as well, because I think
Speaker 1: that he is really into monetizing the wedding situation and
Speaker 1: also boosting his numbers. Oh no, so he's not interested
Speaker 1: in that at all. Well mean, everyone else and outspoken
Speaker 1: plus listeners will understand that little snide comment because we
Speaker 1: did go into more detail. Kate and I had a
Speaker 1: bit of a rant on Friday's Subscribe episode about Matt
Speaker 1: who He lashed out at us a little bit in
Speaker 1: his comment section. Yeah, he accused Outspoken amongst other podcasts
Speaker 1: for using him and Tammy to make a quick dollar,
Speaker 1: which anyway, we rant about it on that episode. You
Speaker 1: can listen there. Well, I want to know how much
Speaker 1: Number is paying Matt for his wedding spon con I
Speaker 1: hope a lot, because he absolutely got slammed in the comments.
Speaker 1: It was quite hilarious. Did you guys see the other
Speaker 1: real where he was promoting ox he shred. He said
Speaker 1: that he was doing a wet dread. I actually need
Speaker 1: a throwed it for full effect.
Speaker 3: The only thing that I've been stressed about leading into
Speaker 3: my wedding is my web shred. No jokes aside. I've
Speaker 3: been using oxy tread now for a couple of months.
Speaker 3: I knew this would be my go to when trying
Speaker 3: to lean up for the big day. I first tried
Speaker 3: it when I saw it at seven eleven one time,
Speaker 3: and since then it's been my go to drink. It
Speaker 3: contains clean caffeine, so it gives me no jitters and
Speaker 3: no crash, and it enhances my mood.
Speaker 1: I feel like he needed to have an oxy shred
Speaker 1: before he did that voice over. It was very flat.
Speaker 1: How does he have a podcast? I don't understand because
Speaker 1: he just sounds bored and everything that he reads it.
Speaker 1: It's also the fact like mentioning web shred, which is
Speaker 1: a real no no, and just the tacking noss of
Speaker 1: but also collaboration. Is he referring that he's been stressed
Speaker 1: out because of all the cheating allegations before the wedding? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's literally the giants. I haven't been stressed out about bus.
Speaker 1: I also find it funny how he's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: just first spotted them at the seven eleven. It was like, no,
Speaker 1: you didn't. You spotted them when they reached out for
Speaker 1: the spon con. Yeah, Like, we're not idiots wrapping things up.
Speaker 1: Do we think that Tammy Hembro is going to change
Speaker 1: her Instagram handle to Tammy Zakowski. I don't reckon she'll
Speaker 1: change the handle, but I reckon she'll put Zakowski in
Speaker 1: the bio. I don't think. I think she's more business
Speaker 1: savvy to know that she can't be changing the handle.
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved Megan Pisetto's comment on Tammy's wedding post
Speaker 1: that we shared. She wrote, love the dress, love the hair,
Speaker 1: hate him sums it up. I think what everyone's thinking.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of that line from the Cinderella Story.
Speaker 3: Now that you're old enough, there's something I've always wanted
Speaker 3: to tell you, and I think you're ready to hear it.
Speaker 1: You're not very pretty and you're not very bright.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad we had that talk.
Speaker 1: One Direction singer Liam Payne has been farewelled in a
Speaker 1: private funeral service, just over a month after he died
Speaker 1: from falling off a hotel balcony in Argentina. Some corners
Speaker 1: of the Internet touted the funeral as a one direction reunion,
Speaker 1: as Liam's former bandmates came together to say goodbye. Now,
Speaker 1: So if you Despite this funeral being a private service,
Speaker 1: intimate photos of his friends and family grieving have been
Speaker 1: splashed all over media sites and social media. Yeah. Literally,
Speaker 1: the first thing I saw when I woke up on
Speaker 1: Thursday morning were photos of his funeral all over my TikTok.
Speaker 1: And as you said, Amy, this was a private funeral,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a state service, and it's being reported that
Speaker 1: Liam's family tried really hard to keep the location of
Speaker 1: the funeral a secret from the press. They wanted to
Speaker 1: avoid any mass crowds and fans turning up. Now, the
Speaker 1: funeral was held at Saint Mary's Church in Amersham, which
Speaker 1: is more than two hours from his hometown Wolverhampton, where
Speaker 1: many predicted the service would be held. Now, this church
Speaker 1: is eight hundred years old and with the videos that
Speaker 1: have been emerging, it really looked like a scene from
Speaker 1: a British movie. I just got that vibe like it
Speaker 1: looked like the typical English funeral.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And despite throwing the press off with the location, it
Speaker 1: didn't stop the media from scoping out the funeral. It
Speaker 1: did avoid mass fans, though, from turning up. That being said, though,
Speaker 1: there were still dozens of locals and fans who gathered
Speaker 1: outside the church taking photos. Now. Prior to this funeral,
Speaker 1: some of One Direction's fans went viral for urging their
Speaker 1: fellow fans not to attend. So in a TikTok video
Speaker 1: which has been viewed more than eight million times, one
Speaker 1: fan said, this is your friendly reminder that if you're
Speaker 1: thinking of going to Liam Payne's funeral to look at
Speaker 1: One Direction members don't. I'm begging you all to remember
Speaker 1: Liam Payne was a human and his family and friends
Speaker 1: are going through a hard time enough without having to
Speaker 1: cater to the public. They deserve to say goodbye to
Speaker 1: him with grace. I thought this was pretty gross how
Speaker 1: a lot of fans were calling this the One Direction reunion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the way people were editing up clips of Harry
Speaker 1: crying and the boys looking really upsets, Like, if you
Speaker 1: actually cared about them, you wouldn't be exploiting them for clips.
Speaker 1: It's a hard one because I don't know if they
Speaker 1: were exploiting them because even as someone I wasn't like
Speaker 1: I was a One Direction fan, but I wasn't young
Speaker 1: enough to be as obsessed with them as some of
Speaker 1: the One directioners were. But it was almost this weird
Speaker 1: thing where you didn't want to see the photos, but
Speaker 1: then you were also intrigue. Yeah, but it's different looking
Speaker 1: at them than actually cutting up the videos. Knowing that
Speaker 1: you're on people's heartstrings, you're going to get send ons,
Speaker 1: you're doing it to get views. I think I'm a
Speaker 1: way of them healing, though that's strangely around the whole
Speaker 1: One Direction reunion comment. I do think it sounds sick,
Speaker 1: but I also don't think that it was met with
Speaker 1: ill intent. I think that a lot of fans have
Speaker 1: been really rocked by Liam's death, and I think they
Speaker 1: found some solace in thinking that the band was coming
Speaker 1: together to celebrate his life. Because it has been nine
Speaker 1: years since One Direction were last publicly seen together at
Speaker 1: their last performance, and before his death, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people excited thinking that they were going to
Speaker 1: get back together. They seemed to be dropping a couple
Speaker 1: of clues, like in interviews and the fact that they
Speaker 1: were all out supporting one another. But the saddest thing
Speaker 1: is that Liam really wanted them to get back together.
Speaker 1: If there was one member who was really pushing it,
Speaker 1: it was him. I think Harry, Nile, Louis, and Zay
Speaker 1: made a big effort not to be photographed together. There
Speaker 1: was a lot of strategy around that because I think
Speaker 1: if there was a photograph of the four boys next
Speaker 1: to the coffin, the press would have run with One
Speaker 1: Direction reunion them next to the coffin. I think just
Speaker 1: the four of them together. They knew that would have
Speaker 1: attracted a lot of attention and taken away from what
Speaker 1: they were there to do to say goodbye to Lim.
Speaker 1: I agree that it was a deliberate decision to walk separately.
Speaker 1: They also arrived in separate cars and it was really
Speaker 1: sad because on each of the cars that the boys
Speaker 1: arrived in they had Batman stickers on them, and that
Speaker 1: is because that is Liam's favorite superhero. All of the
Speaker 1: former band members were also accompanied by Paul Higgins, who
Speaker 1: was their security guard through their One Direction days. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of famous faces in attendance at this funeral,
Speaker 1: and there's this viral clip going around showing Harry Styles
Speaker 1: getting into a car outside the church with James Cordon
Speaker 1: and it made me go back and watch the car
Speaker 1: pool karaoke that One Direction did with him years ago.
Speaker 1: So they must have formed some sort of friendships. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're quite well known that he's very close with all
Speaker 1: of them. Well. Simon Cowe, who discovered One Direction, was
Speaker 1: also there. It was so sad because he was seen
Speaker 1: consoling Liam's parents, Jeff and Karen, outside the church and
Speaker 1: he was in tears. You could see how genuinely shattered
Speaker 1: he's been by this. I have really not liked the
Speaker 1: narrative around Kate Cassidy's appearance at the funeral. So Kate
Speaker 1: was of course Liam Payne's girlfriend at the time of
Speaker 1: his passing and people were like, Uh, why does she
Speaker 1: look so done up? She looked really glam to be
Speaker 1: at his funerals and a kit and they were accusing
Speaker 1: her of not looking sad enough. It's like she had
Speaker 1: sunglasses on. What is she supposed to do? She probably
Speaker 1: felt like she couldn't show her real emotions because of
Speaker 1: the fucking paparazzi there. She was actually walking with Liz
Speaker 1: Hurley's friend, who got a lot of stick also for
Speaker 1: trying to get attention from being there. It's like these
Speaker 1: people are mourning a very close person to the private funeral,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want press there. Liam's ex, Cheryl Cole,
Speaker 1: She was also a focus of a lot of the
Speaker 1: media reporting. She is the mother of their seven year
Speaker 1: old son, Bear, and prior to Liam's death, Bear had
Speaker 1: largely been kept out of the spotlight because they chose
Speaker 1: not to share his face on social media and thankfully,
Speaker 1: Bear did not appear in any of the photos printed
Speaker 1: in the media and they It is a theory circulating
Speaker 1: that Liam's parents made a deal with the media that
Speaker 1: they were allowed to take photos outside of the church
Speaker 1: as long as no photos of Bear were taken or
Speaker 1: released to the Pubble, where there also reports that Liam's
Speaker 1: parents said that Liam was always about with the one
Speaker 1: direction fans and they know that they would want to
Speaker 1: see some of these images and say goodbye to Leah.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that, and also that the band members
Speaker 1: were happy to partake in that agreement in order to
Speaker 1: protect Bear. I don't know if there's so much validity
Speaker 1: around this supposed agreement with the Pains and the media
Speaker 1: because there were so many members of the public also
Speaker 1: taking photos and they wouldn't have been part of this
Speaker 1: deal or aware of it. I feel like perhaps Bear
Speaker 1: was taken in and out of a back entrance and
Speaker 1: they were super careful about him not being seen. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't there. Perhaps the family decided that it
Speaker 1: was going to be too tough on a seven year old. Well,
Speaker 1: he was represented at the service by this massive floral
Speaker 1: arrangement that read Daddy, and that is what got me.
Speaker 1: That is one of the first photos I saw, and
Speaker 1: it is a starker that there is a little boy
Speaker 1: who was at the center of this who's lost his dad.
Speaker 1: One of the photos that has really stuck with me
Speaker 1: is a photo of Liam's mum Karen breaking down when
Speaker 1: Liam's coffin was taken out of the hearse and it
Speaker 1: showed Jeff comforting her, And I just felt so gross
Speaker 1: because I'm like, what right do I have to be
Speaker 1: seeing this photo? And it's so bad. Because when the
Speaker 1: first video of the funeral popped up, well you actually
Speaker 1: sent it to me, Sophie, I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: watch this. This is disgusting. But then you have this
Speaker 1: thirst to see more, and you're like, I don't deserve
Speaker 1: to know more. I shouldn't be looking at these but
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the sun. You can't look away.
Speaker 1: It's that weird parasocial relationship where you feel like you
Speaker 1: know Liam, you feel like you know his parents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this real morbid curiosity. And I have to admit
Speaker 1: that I was absolutely glued, and I felt somewhat ashamed
Speaker 1: of myself because I couldn't look away. For me, it
Speaker 1: was that I almost wanted to try and make sense
Speaker 1: of it, because there's been so much speculation and so
Speaker 1: many rumors about his death, and there's this feeling that
Speaker 1: you don't really know what happened to him. So maybe
Speaker 1: if you analyze the photos you can make sense of
Speaker 1: little moments during the funeral. What's even more upsetting is
Speaker 1: the new photos that have emerged of Liam Payne's final
Speaker 1: hours at the hotel in Argentina. There's some photos of
Speaker 1: what looks like security guards or hotel staff carrying him up. Well,
Speaker 1: very strange timing as well, to release this after his
Speaker 1: funeral to come more question mark. It comes off the
Speaker 1: back of the police investigation because one of the staff
Speaker 1: members at the hotel has been arrested, and to see
Speaker 1: four men forcefully carrying Liam Payne up to his room
Speaker 1: where he subsequently fell from his balcony. I think there's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more about this disgust because
Speaker 1: something just doesn't seem right. It's interesting that they chose
Speaker 1: to blur his face from those images, because there was
Speaker 1: widespread discussed after TMZ shared a photo of Liam's dead
Speaker 1: body after the fall. Do you think that is why
Speaker 1: or are there some legalities as well? I think it's
Speaker 1: a media trying to be sensitive that we're blurring his face,
Speaker 1: but even blurring his face, you can tell what's happening.
Speaker 1: It's still distressing to see.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I definitely think this isn't the end of this story.
Speaker 1: I think that there is a lot more to it
Speaker 1: and that photo is now just fueling even more speculation. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank
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