1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: and Matt Zakowski are officially husband and wife, and the 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: privacy debate surrounding Liam Payne's funeral. But first, there's an 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: influencer story that would normally be headlining our show, but 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: due to legal reasons, we have to be careful about 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: how we discuss it. Yeah, so what we can say 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: is a Queensland influencer prolific on TikTok, is being investigated 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: for child harm against her toddler. It's been confirmed that 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: the one year old was placed in foster care on 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: the twenty first of October after medical staff reported serious concerns. Now, 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: the medical staff raised the alarm, suspecting it could be 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: a case of Munchausen's syndrome by proxy, which is a 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: psychological disorder in which a caregiver allegedly abuses a child 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: and presents them as sick. Now, Queensland Police have released 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: statement saying that they have taken action to protect the 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: child and have commenced an investigation. Their statement continued, saying 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: as this is an active investigation, it would be inappropriate 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: to provide further comment. At a press conference, South Brisbane 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: District Chief Superintendent Andrew Palotto described the investigation as protracted 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: and complicated, adding it will take a bit of time, 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: but I can assure you the child is safe whilst 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: the investigation is ongoing. Since the news broke, the family's 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: social media accounts have been taken down. It's important to 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: note the charges are yet to be laid. Despite all 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: of this, the influencer in question has broken her silence. 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: Talking to nine News, she said it's so unfair and 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: it's getting addressed at the moment without the proper counsel. 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: When quin's further, she said, I can't speak too much. 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I will get my lawyer to contact you. I do 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: really appreciate the call. The reporter asked then if she 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: had harmed her daughter, to which she replied, I can't 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: talk to you. I've said this is a matter that 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: cannot be spoken on, which is strange because why take 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: the phone call in the first place. And I know 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be disappointed that 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: we're not talking about this story in depth because there's 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people on TikTok talking about it and 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: naming the family. However, as this woman has yet to 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: be charged, we just can't name her. And also, this 42 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: story is really complicated because the toddler has been put 43 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: into foster care and there are issues around identifying her. 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: This story really reminds me of the Ruby Frankie case 45 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: in the US, so she was an influencer who was 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: charged with child abuse and a lot of her followers 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: were actually picking up on the signs that things were 48 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: not normal in the household, and it was a very 49 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: complicated story that played out in court. So I'm interested 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: to see what is going to happen in the future 51 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: with this because, as you said, Sophie, it's so complicated 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: now that the child has been taken into foster care. Yeah, 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: and it's going to be one that the mainstream media 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: will cover in depth. They've already shown their interest in 55 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the story because they're reporting on it despite being able 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: to actually name this family. And what's interesting is the 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: fact that the mother involved in this story is actually 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: actively talking to the media, which I find odd because 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: you've explained that the media are unable to name her 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: at the moment. So if I was her, I'd be 61 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: staying quiet. I feel like it's going to be a 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: really messy one because this is an influencer family involved. 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: There's already a lot of influencer watchdog accounts who are 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: naming the family and also allowing people to comment on 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: the news and on Saturday Morning, Influences in the Wild 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: wrongly names Sophia Beg and Jack Golding as the influencers involved. 67 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: This post was online for at least four hours and 68 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: it is just blatantly wrong. I mean, Sophia Beg doesn't 69 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: even have any children. That's the US side, isn't it Yea, 70 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: So they must have got completely confused about the story. 71 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: They got their wires really crossed, and this is a 72 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: blatant act of defamation. Surely Sophia Beg's legal team have 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: already gotten to this. We know they were very proactive 74 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: in sending a legal threat to those influencers who were 75 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: set to release information about her and a friendship breakdown. 76 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: And their mum's a lawyer as well. Well. These stories 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: highlight how there are so many legalities around sort of 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: citis and reporting because a lot of these people who 79 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: run these pages, they are not journalists. They don't understand 80 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: the laws and they're really opening themselves up to a 81 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: lot of trouble because the reality is it's not until 82 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: this couple is charged that they are able to be 83 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: legally named, as well as the complexities surrounding the foster 84 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 1: situation as well. 85 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: I just hope you know marriage is a serious thing. Yeah, 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: it is actually a serious thing, and like, I hope 87 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: you don't make any mistakes. 88 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: After months of breakup rumors and cheating allegations, Tammy Hembro 89 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and Matzakowski have defied the odds, tying them not in 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: Byron Bay over the weekend. Controversially, The Daily Mail were 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: the first published photos of the newly married couple allegedly 92 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: flying a drone over the ceremony. Now, Sophie, it's not 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: totally surprising that the paparazzi were able to track down 94 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: this wedding, considering Sophia Beg accidentally leaked the invite months ago. Yeah, 95 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: that's right. She really did help out The Daily Mail 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: in this case because she shared a close up photo 97 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: of Tammy and Matt's wedding invite in one of her 98 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: vlogs back in May, and I think she was just 99 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: so overwhelmed and excited to be invited that she forgot 100 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: about what a big deal this wedding was. Well, it 101 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: seems like she's been uninvited because she was nowhere to 102 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: be seen at this wedding. Well, I'm not surprised. I mean, 103 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: they were talking about cutting numbers, and clearly, if you're 104 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: thinking about the first person to go, it's the person 105 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: who's made the lead up to the wedding difficult for you, 106 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: because we know matt was being brutal about cutting the 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: partners of some of his really close friends. So surely, yeah, 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Sophia Beg was the first to get a line through. 109 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: How did Tammy and Sophia even know each other? I 110 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: assume through an influencer trip. I mean there's quite an 111 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: age gap between them. Sophia instead went to a twenty 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: first birthday party, and it seemed like she wanted her 113 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: followers to know that she was there and not at 114 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the wedding. Yeah. Well, there were a lot of influencers 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: snapped arriving at this wedding, So Ruby Tuesday, Matthews was there. 116 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: She was with her partner Shannon Dodd, Lily Brown, and 117 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: Jack Kenny as well as m Davies who actually ignored 118 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: the invite request not to bring children because her daughter 119 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Iland was there, because that's something else we found. So 120 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: once Sophia beg leaked or accidentally leaked the invite, it 121 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: then led super Sloose to locate the online wedding invite, 122 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: and basically people saw that children weren't allowed except her 123 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: own children. And also everyone was quite shocked to hear 124 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that she was having a wishing well. I was on 125 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: the other side of it though, because I think it's 126 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: fair enough to ask for money at your wedding well. 127 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt spoke recently about the wishing well on 128 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: his podcast and they were saying that there was no 129 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: way that they expected guests to give them two thousand dollars. 130 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: They didn't know where that figure was because that was 131 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: a rumor that was on influencer updates. I mean, Tammy 132 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: has before said that that's absolutely ridiculous and that she 133 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: was getting a lot of requests with people saying what 134 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: do you want for your wedding, and it was easier 135 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: to just say, let's do a wishing well. Yeah, back 136 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: to the guests. Anna macavoy, who's Matt's co host on 137 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: his podcast. She attracted a lot of attention for the 138 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: dress that she chose to wear because it did have 139 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: a very large slit. It was quite revealing. It was 140 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: a blue gown. She was told that she was stealing 141 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro's thunder, which is quite ironic because when Anna 142 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: got married earlier in the year, Tammy was accused of 143 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: stealing her thumber. But it wasn't about what Tammy was wearing. 144 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: It was about her star power and that she was 145 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: pulling attention away by just attending the wedding. I could 146 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: have seen this headline coming a mile away. There was 147 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: always going to be one guest that was accused of 148 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: stealing the attention from Tammy. It happens at every single 149 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: influence a wedding. I didn't think there was anything wrong 150 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: with anastrous. I thought she looked stunning. I didn't think 151 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: it looked that different to what other people were wearing. 152 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: It's not like she wropped up in a white or 153 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: shall I say, pink dress. Because Tammy's dress was incredible. 154 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: She is getting a lot of attention for the dress 155 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: she wore down the aisle. If I had been told 156 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: prior to seeing the photo that Tammy wore a pink dress, 157 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: I would have thought, ooh, how hideous, But I loved it. 158 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: She looked absolutely stunning. She looked the best I've ever 159 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: seen her look. I do wonder if the Daily Mail, 160 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: because they were the first ones to release these photos. 161 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if they turned up the saturation because her 162 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: dress looked very pink and I don't think I think 163 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: it was that pink in real life. Because her tan 164 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: also got a lot of comments, people were saying she 165 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: looked very orange. Yeah. Well, the day after the wedding, 166 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Tammy posted a photo of her in Matt's hands with 167 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: their wedding rings on it, and she didn't look that 168 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: orange in that photo. There's a few recovery photos floating 169 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: around the place of Tammy, and she definitely wasn't as 170 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: orange as she appeed in that photo. As well. I 171 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: saw Anna macavoy posted some recovery photos and it was 172 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: very reminiscent of the photos taken prior to her wedding. Yeah, 173 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: they had one where they had all of their rings 174 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: in together. It was like who was comparing whose wedding bands? 175 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Photo of each of the couple. But I wasn't sure. 176 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: What is the etiquette around posting recovery photos? Is it 177 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: all good? 178 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: Look? 179 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that everyone's got the green light to do 180 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: the recovery photos because so many people are doing it. 181 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: I think that there must be a lot of slagging 182 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: off about the Daily Mail happening, and so people are like, 183 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, I better not post a photo of 184 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: any of her wedding outfits. Is quite interesting because Isabelle Laws, 185 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: who is the general manager of Tammy's active where brown SASKI. 186 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: She ended up commenting under one influencer updates posts where 187 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: she shared the photo, and she wrote so disrespectful that 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail had an illegal drone fly over the 189 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: ceremony and leak the entire thing. How this is supported 190 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: is absolutely beyond me. It's crazy that Isabelle actually took 191 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: time out of the wedding to share that comment. But 192 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: are we really that surprised This wedding has been touted 193 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: as the influencer wedding of the year. Matt and Tammy 194 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: have been talking about it all over their social feeds, 195 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: all over their podcasts. It's not that surprising that The 196 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: Daily Mail would try and get that first shot. Tammy 197 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: and Matt should have done what Laura Burn and Maddy 198 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: Jay did because Laura and Maddie noticed that a paparazzo 199 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: had got into their wedding and they thought, fuck it, 200 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: We're not going to let them get the scoop. So 201 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: they ended up posting a photo from their wedding straight away. 202 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail may have beat them to it, but 203 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: they could have steered some of that attention over to 204 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: their own way. Cour This is what makes me think 205 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: that they have a deal with Vogue. We recently saw 206 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: podcaster Nicki Westcott get a deal with them, and she 207 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: waited several days to share her wedding photos. At the 208 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: time of recording, we haven't seen a wedding photo from 209 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: Tammy or Matt, so I wouldn't be surprised if we're 210 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: going to see one in a couple of days time. 211 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: A huge spread about their wedding. Well, this wedding looked 212 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: like it belonged in Vogue, and there was a lot 213 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: of anticipation because we know that Tammy did a deal 214 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: with Vera Wang for the wedding dress. A couple of 215 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: super slous are saying that this dress isn't a custom 216 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: gown by Vera Wang that it is one off the 217 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: rack and that's on the website currently. It does come 218 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: in pink and ivory because people were saying that they've 219 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: fallen in love with this dress, they want to get 220 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: it for their weddings. And for those who haven't seen it, 221 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: it's strapless. It had a very tight corset bodice, and 222 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: it had this very elaborateal train with a long ivory veil. 223 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: There was some discussion about her mixing ivory and pink, 224 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: but overall everyone loved the dress. Is it one of 225 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: those dresses though, that only really looks good on Tammy Hembro, 226 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: Like you know, like when you go when you want 227 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: to get a new haircut and then you realize, oh, 228 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: it's not going to look as cool their blonde bob. 229 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: She's definitely got the figure for it. A lot of 230 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: listeners said that she looked straight out of the Barbie 231 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: movie and that she's never looked better. And I love 232 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: that she continued the theme by having a large pink marquee, 233 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: which was pictured behind the ceremony location. We haven't seen 234 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: proper photos of it yet, but that was one of 235 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: the photos that was captured by the drone when I 236 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: saw these leaked photos, it was so clear that Matt 237 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: Zakowski had nothing to do with the planning, Like this 238 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: had Tammy all over it. Yeah, but at the beginning 239 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: he said he was going to be a groom zilla 240 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: and he wanted to be at every meeting. But I 241 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: get the vibe that Tammy and her wedding planners just 242 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: went off separately. I saw some TikTok where Tammy was 243 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: saying that Matt would be in these zoom meetings and 244 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: just say really stupid things. Yeah, just like, honey, could 245 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: you just shut up people in saying that. I wonder 246 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: if he had anything to do with the ceremony setup, 247 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: because all people could focus on once those drone images 248 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: were released. So for those who haven't seen the photos, 249 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt were at the front on this beautiful 250 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: pair of steps, and then there was this hedge and 251 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: a pool, and the guests were seated around the pool 252 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: behind the hedge. So people were saying, could they even 253 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: see what was going on? It was quite interesting because 254 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: where they got married is this chateau, which is an 255 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: airbea be It cost seven thousand dollars a night to 256 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: stay there. But on the website, it doesn't describe itself 257 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: as a wedding venue in saying that though Pat Cummens 258 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: recently got married there and Matt Damon has previously stayed 259 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: there in the past. But it makes me think maybe 260 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: that area has never been set up for a wedding before, 261 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: because sometimes wedding planners will possibly close off the pool area, 262 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: which would have made a lot more sense because they 263 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: then could have had the seats on top and people 264 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: actually facing the front. Well, I want to know how 265 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Tammy actually walked down that aisle, because there's a photo 266 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: of her arriving at that point and she's standing directly 267 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: in front of the pool. So did they have something 268 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: that she could walk across the pool? Was there like 269 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: a person? I think she must have just chosen one 270 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: side to walk down. But the other bizarre thing about 271 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: this seating plan was that the guests weren't even facing 272 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt. They were actually facing each other, which 273 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: would have been super awkward. They were looking over the 274 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: pool and a lot of people were saying, God, their 275 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: next must have been saw because they were literally craning 276 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: to get a glimpse of the couple, and also because 277 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: they were seat quite low down because Tammy and Matt 278 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: they were up several steps and they were in front 279 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: of the chateau. People were saying, could they even see 280 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: them past the hedges? 281 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 282 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: And it was weird because people noticed that Matt's groomsmen 283 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: were standing on concrete, whereas Tammy's bridesmaids were standing on grass, 284 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: so their high heels were likely sinking into so a 285 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: lot of people saying it must have been Tammy's good side, 286 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: because it's like, fuck it, I'm going to be on 287 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: my good side. They can sink into the grass. We 288 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: picked the bridesmaid dresses. I want to point out they 289 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: were black, strapless dresses, and I feel like black is 290 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: this season's color. Well, Amy Weddings, you wanted to do 291 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: black originally I was thinking about it, but I didn't 292 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: really think it was a summer color. I felt like 293 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: it was you know, it's a bit too hot to 294 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: be wearing black. What was also quite strange about this 295 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: setup is that around the pool area there was a fence, 296 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: so once Tammy had walked down the aisle, they closed 297 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the pool gate, so they basically closed all of the 298 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: guests out of that area and all of the photographers 299 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: and videographers stood at the gate so they were getting 300 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: the best front on view of the ceremony. It seemed 301 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: like it was all about appearances and all about the photos, 302 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily making it feel like an intimate ceremony. We 303 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: fair like most weddings, we noticed this is not like 304 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: most weddings. Most weddings you have the guests as close 305 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: as possible so they can actually be a part of it. 306 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: And I think what was quite sad is that Tammy's 307 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: kids were involved in the wedding. So her son Wolf 308 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: was a page boy, and her daughters Posey and Saskia 309 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: were flower girls, and they were in the closed off 310 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: Paul area. They weren't even up the front with the bridesmaids. 311 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: And guessing Matt Paul wasn't at this wedding because we 312 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: do know that they're very amicable. They seem to be 313 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: on good terms now, but I didn't see any photos 314 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: of him. Look, you don't have your ex fiance at 315 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: your wedding. Well, the Daily Mail's drone shot showed just 316 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: how exclusive the wedding was. There weren't that many people. Yeah, 317 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt said on their podcast that they were 318 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: having one hundred and thirteen people. I think that's what's 319 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: the number. Well, one person who was missing from the 320 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: ceremony was Tammy's dad, and this actually sparked a lot 321 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: of rumors about people saying, oh, maybe he didn't approve 322 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: of her marrying Matt. But sadly, it turned out that 323 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: he actually injured himself before the ceremony, and if you 324 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: can believe it, he injured himself while he was at 325 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: the hairdresser. So if I was Tammy, I would have 326 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: been so mad because her dad left his haircut to 327 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: the day of the wedding and then something snapped in 328 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: his leg when he was at the hairdresser. He ended 329 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: up having to go to hospital and arrived at the 330 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: reception on crutches. I wish she had her reality show 331 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: because that just sounds like one of those plots in it, 332 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't even sound real. Yeah, I'm surprised that 333 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: they didn't try and push the ceremony back a little bit. 334 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: But I suppose this wedding is a massive event, and 335 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to weddings, yes, you can probably push 336 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: it by half an hour. But I suppose maybe her 337 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: dad was stuck in emergency or something. Okay, you mentioned 338 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: earlier how Tammy had shared a photo of her wedding 339 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: rings on Instagram, But all I could notice in that 340 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: photo was her new tattoo, which was the date of 341 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: the wedding. Well, I was wondering when she actually got 342 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: it done, because in the week leading into the wedding, 343 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: Matt ramped up the wedding spond Colm and he shared 344 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: back to back sponsored reales. One of them was promoting 345 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: a numbing cream and the last time he spooked this brand, 346 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: he was using it to remove his ex girlfriend's name 347 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: from his bum. This time around, he was using it 348 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: to get a tattoo dedicated to the wedding. So he 349 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: ended up getting Always and Forever tattooed on him and 350 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: it was written in Tammy's handwriting. Side note, she has 351 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: the most beautiful handwriting. So I'm wondering if Tammy got 352 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: her tattoo then well, there's other speculation that maybe they 353 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: had a tattoo artist at the ceremony because a lot 354 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: of people are now doing that. So basically, you go 355 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: and sign your wedding certificate and then you go and 356 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: get your tattoo of the date. It's very on brand 357 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: for Tammy. To have a tattoo artist at her wedding. 358 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: She loves getting tattoos. I recently was listening to Happy 359 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: Hour with Lucy and Nikki and they were talking about 360 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: a number of their jagged parties that they had, where 361 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: Tammy Hambro would just be like, yep, We'm gonna get 362 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: that random dragon. Well, how many tattoos do Matt and 363 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: Tammy have dedicated to each other. It's getting ridiculous now. 364 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: I am very much looking forward to when the official 365 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: photos get released. When do you guys think it will 366 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: be or whenever Vogue drops them? Actually, probably just night 367 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: that we're recording, because it always seems to happen. So 368 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: if you have seen those photos, this has been pre 369 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: recorded on Monday after we reckon. Tammy's going to jump 370 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: on a podcast with Matt as well, because I think 371 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: that he is really into monetizing the wedding situation and 372 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: also boosting his numbers. Oh no, so he's not interested 373 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: in that at all. Well mean, everyone else and outspoken 374 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: plus listeners will understand that little snide comment because we 375 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: did go into more detail. Kate and I had a 376 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: bit of a rant on Friday's Subscribe episode about Matt 377 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: who He lashed out at us a little bit in 378 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: his comment section. Yeah, he accused Outspoken amongst other podcasts 379 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: for using him and Tammy to make a quick dollar, 380 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: which anyway, we rant about it on that episode. You 381 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: can listen there. Well, I want to know how much 382 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: Number is paying Matt for his wedding spon con I 383 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: hope a lot, because he absolutely got slammed in the comments. 384 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: It was quite hilarious. Did you guys see the other 385 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: real where he was promoting ox he shred. He said 386 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: that he was doing a wet dread. I actually need 387 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: a throwed it for full effect. 388 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: The only thing that I've been stressed about leading into 389 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: my wedding is my web shred. No jokes aside. I've 390 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: been using oxy tread now for a couple of months. 391 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: I knew this would be my go to when trying 392 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: to lean up for the big day. I first tried 393 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: it when I saw it at seven eleven one time, 394 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: and since then it's been my go to drink. It 395 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 3: contains clean caffeine, so it gives me no jitters and 396 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: no crash, and it enhances my mood. 397 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: I feel like he needed to have an oxy shred 398 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: before he did that voice over. It was very flat. 399 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: How does he have a podcast? I don't understand because 400 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: he just sounds bored and everything that he reads it. 401 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: It's also the fact like mentioning web shred, which is 402 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: a real no no, and just the tacking noss of 403 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: but also collaboration. Is he referring that he's been stressed 404 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: out because of all the cheating allegations before the wedding? Yeah, 405 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: that's literally the giants. I haven't been stressed out about bus. 406 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: I also find it funny how he's like, oh, I 407 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: just first spotted them at the seven eleven. It was like, no, 408 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: you didn't. You spotted them when they reached out for 409 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: the spon con. Yeah, Like, we're not idiots wrapping things up. 410 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: Do we think that Tammy Hembro is going to change 411 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: her Instagram handle to Tammy Zakowski. I don't reckon she'll 412 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: change the handle, but I reckon she'll put Zakowski in 413 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: the bio. I don't think. I think she's more business 414 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: savvy to know that she can't be changing the handle. 415 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: I absolutely loved Megan Pisetto's comment on Tammy's wedding post 416 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: that we shared. She wrote, love the dress, love the hair, 417 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: hate him sums it up. I think what everyone's thinking. 418 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: It reminds me of that line from the Cinderella Story. 419 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 3: Now that you're old enough, there's something I've always wanted 420 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: to tell you, and I think you're ready to hear it. 421 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: You're not very pretty and you're not very bright. 422 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: I'm so glad we had that talk. 423 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: One Direction singer Liam Payne has been farewelled in a 424 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: private funeral service, just over a month after he died 425 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: from falling off a hotel balcony in Argentina. Some corners 426 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: of the Internet touted the funeral as a one direction reunion, 427 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: as Liam's former bandmates came together to say goodbye. Now, 428 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: So if you Despite this funeral being a private service, 429 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: intimate photos of his friends and family grieving have been 430 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: splashed all over media sites and social media. Yeah. Literally, 431 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: the first thing I saw when I woke up on 432 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: Thursday morning were photos of his funeral all over my TikTok. 433 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: And as you said, Amy, this was a private funeral, 434 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: it wasn't a state service, and it's being reported that 435 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: Liam's family tried really hard to keep the location of 436 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: the funeral a secret from the press. They wanted to 437 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: avoid any mass crowds and fans turning up. Now, the 438 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: funeral was held at Saint Mary's Church in Amersham, which 439 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: is more than two hours from his hometown Wolverhampton, where 440 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: many predicted the service would be held. Now, this church 441 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: is eight hundred years old and with the videos that 442 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: have been emerging, it really looked like a scene from 443 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: a British movie. I just got that vibe like it 444 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: looked like the typical English funeral. 445 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 446 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: And despite throwing the press off with the location, it 447 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: didn't stop the media from scoping out the funeral. It 448 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: did avoid mass fans, though, from turning up. That being said, though, 449 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: there were still dozens of locals and fans who gathered 450 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: outside the church taking photos. Now. Prior to this funeral, 451 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: some of One Direction's fans went viral for urging their 452 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: fellow fans not to attend. So in a TikTok video 453 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: which has been viewed more than eight million times, one 454 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: fan said, this is your friendly reminder that if you're 455 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: thinking of going to Liam Payne's funeral to look at 456 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: One Direction members don't. I'm begging you all to remember 457 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: Liam Payne was a human and his family and friends 458 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: are going through a hard time enough without having to 459 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: cater to the public. They deserve to say goodbye to 460 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: him with grace. I thought this was pretty gross how 461 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: a lot of fans were calling this the One Direction reunion. Yeah, 462 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: and the way people were editing up clips of Harry 463 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: crying and the boys looking really upsets, Like, if you 464 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: actually cared about them, you wouldn't be exploiting them for clips. 465 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: It's a hard one because I don't know if they 466 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: were exploiting them because even as someone I wasn't like 467 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: I was a One Direction fan, but I wasn't young 468 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: enough to be as obsessed with them as some of 469 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: the One directioners were. But it was almost this weird 470 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: thing where you didn't want to see the photos, but 471 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: then you were also intrigue. Yeah, but it's different looking 472 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: at them than actually cutting up the videos. Knowing that 473 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: you're on people's heartstrings, you're going to get send ons, 474 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: you're doing it to get views. I think I'm a 475 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: way of them healing, though that's strangely around the whole 476 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: One Direction reunion comment. I do think it sounds sick, 477 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: but I also don't think that it was met with 478 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: ill intent. I think that a lot of fans have 479 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: been really rocked by Liam's death, and I think they 480 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: found some solace in thinking that the band was coming 481 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: together to celebrate his life. Because it has been nine 482 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: years since One Direction were last publicly seen together at 483 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: their last performance, and before his death, there were a 484 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: lot of people excited thinking that they were going to 485 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: get back together. They seemed to be dropping a couple 486 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: of clues, like in interviews and the fact that they 487 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: were all out supporting one another. But the saddest thing 488 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: is that Liam really wanted them to get back together. 489 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: If there was one member who was really pushing it, 490 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: it was him. I think Harry, Nile, Louis, and Zay 491 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: made a big effort not to be photographed together. There 492 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: was a lot of strategy around that because I think 493 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: if there was a photograph of the four boys next 494 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: to the coffin, the press would have run with One 495 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: Direction reunion them next to the coffin. I think just 496 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: the four of them together. They knew that would have 497 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: attracted a lot of attention and taken away from what 498 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: they were there to do to say goodbye to Lim. 499 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: I agree that it was a deliberate decision to walk separately. 500 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: They also arrived in separate cars and it was really 501 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: sad because on each of the cars that the boys 502 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: arrived in they had Batman stickers on them, and that 503 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: is because that is Liam's favorite superhero. All of the 504 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: former band members were also accompanied by Paul Higgins, who 505 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: was their security guard through their One Direction days. There 506 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: were a lot of famous faces in attendance at this funeral, 507 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: and there's this viral clip going around showing Harry Styles 508 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: getting into a car outside the church with James Cordon 509 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: and it made me go back and watch the car 510 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: pool karaoke that One Direction did with him years ago. 511 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: So they must have formed some sort of friendships. Yeah, 512 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: they're quite well known that he's very close with all 513 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: of them. Well. Simon Cowe, who discovered One Direction, was 514 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: also there. It was so sad because he was seen 515 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: consoling Liam's parents, Jeff and Karen, outside the church and 516 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: he was in tears. You could see how genuinely shattered 517 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: he's been by this. I have really not liked the 518 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: narrative around Kate Cassidy's appearance at the funeral. So Kate 519 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: was of course Liam Payne's girlfriend at the time of 520 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: his passing and people were like, Uh, why does she 521 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: look so done up? She looked really glam to be 522 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: at his funerals and a kit and they were accusing 523 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: her of not looking sad enough. It's like she had 524 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: sunglasses on. What is she supposed to do? She probably 525 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: felt like she couldn't show her real emotions because of 526 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: the fucking paparazzi there. She was actually walking with Liz 527 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: Hurley's friend, who got a lot of stick also for 528 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: trying to get attention from being there. It's like these 529 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: people are mourning a very close person to the private funeral, 530 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: but they didn't want press there. Liam's ex, Cheryl Cole, 531 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: She was also a focus of a lot of the 532 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: media reporting. She is the mother of their seven year 533 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 1: old son, Bear, and prior to Liam's death, Bear had 534 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: largely been kept out of the spotlight because they chose 535 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: not to share his face on social media and thankfully, 536 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: Bear did not appear in any of the photos printed 537 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: in the media and they It is a theory circulating 538 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: that Liam's parents made a deal with the media that 539 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: they were allowed to take photos outside of the church 540 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: as long as no photos of Bear were taken or 541 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: released to the Pubble, where there also reports that Liam's 542 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: parents said that Liam was always about with the one 543 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: direction fans and they know that they would want to 544 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: see some of these images and say goodbye to Leah. 545 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that, and also that the band members 546 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: were happy to partake in that agreement in order to 547 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: protect Bear. I don't know if there's so much validity 548 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: around this supposed agreement with the Pains and the media 549 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: because there were so many members of the public also 550 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: taking photos and they wouldn't have been part of this 551 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: deal or aware of it. I feel like perhaps Bear 552 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: was taken in and out of a back entrance and 553 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: they were super careful about him not being seen. Well, 554 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't there. Perhaps the family decided that it 555 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: was going to be too tough on a seven year old. Well, 556 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: he was represented at the service by this massive floral 557 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: arrangement that read Daddy, and that is what got me. 558 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: That is one of the first photos I saw, and 559 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: it is a starker that there is a little boy 560 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: who was at the center of this who's lost his dad. 561 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: One of the photos that has really stuck with me 562 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: is a photo of Liam's mum Karen breaking down when 563 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: Liam's coffin was taken out of the hearse and it 564 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: showed Jeff comforting her, And I just felt so gross 565 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: because I'm like, what right do I have to be 566 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: seeing this photo? And it's so bad. Because when the 567 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: first video of the funeral popped up, well you actually 568 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: sent it to me, Sophie, I was like, I can't 569 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: watch this. This is disgusting. But then you have this 570 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: thirst to see more, and you're like, I don't deserve 571 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: to know more. I shouldn't be looking at these but 572 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the sun. You can't look away. 573 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: It's that weird parasocial relationship where you feel like you 574 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: know Liam, you feel like you know his parents. Yeah, 575 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: it's this real morbid curiosity. And I have to admit 576 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: that I was absolutely glued, and I felt somewhat ashamed 577 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: of myself because I couldn't look away. For me, it 578 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: was that I almost wanted to try and make sense 579 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: of it, because there's been so much speculation and so 580 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: many rumors about his death, and there's this feeling that 581 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: you don't really know what happened to him. So maybe 582 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: if you analyze the photos you can make sense of 583 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: little moments during the funeral. What's even more upsetting is 584 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: the new photos that have emerged of Liam Payne's final 585 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: hours at the hotel in Argentina. There's some photos of 586 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: what looks like security guards or hotel staff carrying him up. Well, 587 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: very strange timing as well, to release this after his 588 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: funeral to come more question mark. It comes off the 589 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: back of the police investigation because one of the staff 590 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: members at the hotel has been arrested, and to see 591 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: four men forcefully carrying Liam Payne up to his room 592 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: where he subsequently fell from his balcony. I think there's 593 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: going to be a lot more about this disgust because 594 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: something just doesn't seem right. It's interesting that they chose 595 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: to blur his face from those images, because there was 596 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: widespread discussed after TMZ shared a photo of Liam's dead 597 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: body after the fall. Do you think that is why 598 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: or are there some legalities as well? I think it's 599 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: a media trying to be sensitive that we're blurring his face, 600 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: but even blurring his face, you can tell what's happening. 601 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: It's still distressing to see. 602 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: Well. 603 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: I definitely think this isn't the end of this story. 604 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: I think that there is a lot more to it 605 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: and that photo is now just fueling even more speculation. Well, 606 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. 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