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Speaker 1: Jumb mission with Jones and Amanda Well.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is the guy who had us thinking

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Speaker 2: twice before we reached for the Allen's Party mix. He's

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Speaker 2: the man who made headlines with his first documentary, That

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Speaker 2: Sugar Film, in twenty fourteen, and he's been a force

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Speaker 2: ever since. He's got a new film, Regenerating Australia. It's

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Speaker 2: set on New Year's Eve twenty twenty nine, looking back

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Speaker 2: at the decade that could be. Damon Gammo, Hello, I

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Speaker 2: see you, look.

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Speaker 3: To see you.

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Speaker 2: We watched the trailer and I started to cry. I

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Speaker 2: want that world. I want the world I see in

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Speaker 2: the midst of all the stuff we're seeing, what where

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Speaker 2: we could be in a few years after this horrendous

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Speaker 2: start to twenty twenty. You know it's possible that could

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Speaker 2: be us?

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Speaker 3: Isn't it?

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Speaker 2: A happy twenty twenty nine?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? And this is based It wasn't my vision of

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Speaker 4: the future.

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Speaker 1: It was based on a really deep listening campaign over

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Speaker 1: four months with a variety of Australian some different backgrounds,

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Speaker 1: and we just asked them what kind of country they'd

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Speaker 1: want to leave him, what kind of changes do you

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Speaker 1: want to see?

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Speaker 4: And it was incredibly heartening to hear how much we

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Speaker 4: have in common.

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Speaker 1: Despite what our algorithms, some of our narratives might tell us,

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Speaker 1: there are so many things that we can unite on

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Speaker 1: and so that's what this is.

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Speaker 4: This is a chance to have a look and have

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Speaker 4: a feel what it would be like to live in

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Speaker 4: that Australia because you're right right now.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, it feels overwhelming, We're losing people, denihilism, it all

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Speaker 1: feels too hard. But there are so many things we

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Speaker 1: can do right now that really bring life and connection

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Speaker 1: back to our communities and to our ecosystems. And that's

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Speaker 1: the opportunity we have in this moment, And that's all

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Speaker 1: the chaos and the pain. There's a chance to head

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Speaker 1: in a different direction.

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Speaker 3: And largely do you find that people aren't climate skeptics.

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Speaker 3: It just seems to me there's if you even mentioned

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Speaker 3: climate change, they look at you as some giant, big lefty,

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Speaker 3: which I'm certainly not, But I do believe in climate change.

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Speaker 3: So when you're out there with the regular mums and

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Speaker 3: dads of the world, do they believe in climate change?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Certainly.

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of our interviews were post fires,

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Speaker 1: and so certainly that shifted a lot of that per set.

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Speaker 1: I'd say now with the floods to a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in my region. I live in the Northern Rivers,

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Speaker 1: and there's farmers out there that will be on the

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Speaker 1: fence that are now like, okay, let's go, we want

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Speaker 1: to do something.

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Speaker 4: Now. They really get it. And that's what's going to

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Speaker 4: keep happening.

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Speaker 1: We keep going to get these major weather events and

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Speaker 1: that will bring more and more people onto the side

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Speaker 1: of action.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where we're at right now.

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Speaker 1: And even in the interviews, people didn't necessarily say climate change,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of conservative farmers talked about greener hills

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Speaker 1: again or clean flowing rivers on Australia of thirty years ago,

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Speaker 1: so they were kind of saying they wanted things as

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Speaker 1: they were and to make a difference and go back

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Speaker 1: to these times. So that's again I think we can

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Speaker 1: unite on that it doesn't have to all be about

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Speaker 1: climate change. There are things we can do to help

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Speaker 1: farmers with their soil and restore their land that also

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Speaker 1: benefits the climate and the water cycles, but it's also

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Speaker 1: improving their lives and the quality of our food. So

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Speaker 1: we can just approach it from different angles, so it

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Speaker 1: isn't as polarizing to some people.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that, You know, since twenty twenty with

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Speaker 2: the we had coronavirus, we've had fires, we've had floods.

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Speaker 2: It's like carrying an anvil. And it felt to me

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Speaker 2: that dealing with the climate ended up coming down the

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Speaker 2: we had the fires, and then that shifted down when

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Speaker 2: people coped with COVID. It's as if we can't handle

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Speaker 2: more than one thing at once. But the climate crisis

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Speaker 2: is not going away, no matter whether we have COVID

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you spot on a man.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think we've got to be so

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Speaker 1: strategic with our messaging. I think right now people don't

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Speaker 1: have the capacity to hear how bad things are and

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Speaker 1: cataclysmic things are, and the whole climate thing. It feels

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Speaker 1: so existential and out of our reach that it's easier

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Speaker 1: just to switch off and watch more Netflix and have

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Speaker 1: another few bottles of wine.

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Speaker 4: Like I get that. But that's why we've got We've

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Speaker 4: got to show the benefits.

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Speaker 1: We've got to show what the solutions could do to

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Speaker 1: our communities and how they improve people's lives. We could

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Speaker 1: create so much money in this country by shifting to

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Speaker 1: these lower carbon technologies. We've just got to make sure

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Speaker 1: that we look after the people in the community so

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Speaker 1: the money is more evenly distributed, and we're not leaving

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Speaker 1: these communities behind.

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Speaker 4: Like America's done.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen what's happened there that we've got such

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Speaker 1: opportunity ahead of us, and let's just make sure that

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Speaker 1: everyone benefits in it so that they can stay in

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Speaker 1: their communities, and their communities can be cleaner, and they

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Speaker 1: can have more nature around and cleaner air to breathe,

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Speaker 1: and there's more money to be made at the same time.

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Speaker 4: That's what's on offering this moment.

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Speaker 3: And we're the clever country. We gave the world the ute,

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Speaker 3: the hills, hoist, Wi Fi.

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Speaker 2: Surely the wine cut, and you know, I find it.

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Speaker 3: We spoke to Scott Morrison a while back and I said,

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Speaker 3: there's a guy that's invented roof tiles that look like

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Speaker 3: normal roof tiles, but they're solar panels. To me, that

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Speaker 3: sends that's like, imagine every house than a rooftile and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't even look like a solar panel. Why aren't

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Speaker 3: we putting all our money into that?

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Speaker 4: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: I mean We show a solution in the film that's

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Speaker 1: already in Australia right now that people might know about

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Speaker 1: where where you can take your car like an electric

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Speaker 1: carr and plug it into the house and then that

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Speaker 1: becomes the battery for your house, and it's about three

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Speaker 1: or four times bigger battery than a power one of

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Speaker 1: those test the ones you can buy, so that can

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Speaker 1: happen right now. You can go and charge your car

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Speaker 1: the whole house on it. Tradees can then plug in

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Speaker 1: their tools run a generator when they're camping. There are

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Speaker 1: countries doing this. America and Europe have already got this technology.

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Speaker 1: We've got it here, but we just need to scale

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Speaker 1: it up and incentivize it and shift the policies to

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Speaker 1: allow it to scale up because there's huge benefits there

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Speaker 1: for people. And that's again we've just got to get

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Speaker 1: these stories out there how these solutions can improve our

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Speaker 4: From climate change.

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Speaker 3: We're not as reliant on coal as our leaders would

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Speaker 4: Is that true?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, we make an extraordinary amount of money from coal.

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Speaker 1: We're one of the biggest explois in fact, because of Russia.

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Speaker 1: Now we're probably number two in the world. So it's

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Speaker 1: brought us incredible income and created wonderful things for economy.

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Speaker 1: We need to be honest about that, and that's why

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Speaker 1: we're reluctant to give it up. That's why so much

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Speaker 1: of our politics is affected by that industry and why

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Speaker 1: it's taken us so long to shift. But again, we've

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Speaker 1: got as much wind and sol as any other country

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Speaker 1: in the world, so we're also sitting on this incredible

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Speaker 1: opportunity of that resource that we could power our own country,

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Speaker 1: then share that with our neighbors, then share it with Asia, Indonesia,

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Speaker 1: all these countries are coming off coal. Plus we could

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Speaker 1: use that energy to start making in turbines and batteries

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Speaker 4: Supply them to the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the opportunity we have here to

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Speaker 1: get right out ahead and start providing these resources for

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Speaker 1: other countries. And that's why people are pulling their hair

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Speaker 1: out that we haven't started doing this because other countries

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Speaker 1: are down that road and they're going to start getting

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Speaker 1: those supplies from other areas because we're not providing them

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Speaker 1: because we're still so married to Cole. So that's why

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Speaker 1: this election is just, I would argue, perhaps our most

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Speaker 1: important because of what's at stake. We've seen in especially

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Speaker 1: where I live. We had a huge flood five years ago,

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Speaker 1: we've had a mega fire and now another flood, all

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Speaker 4: This is the reality we are now inhabiting. So we

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Speaker 4: have to take action. We just cannot delay anymore.

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Speaker 3: There it is, mate, Well, good on you, Damon. It's

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Speaker 3: always great to talk to you. Absolutely we love what

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Speaker 3: you're doing here regenerating Australia touring Sydney. Now you can

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Speaker 3: get your ticket at humantics dot com. Damon Gamo, thank

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Speaker 3: you for.

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Speaker 4: Joining us, Thanks for the support.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Jonesy and Amanda's Nation