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Speaker 1: Jumb mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Billions of dollars I spent every year keeping people imprisoned

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Speaker 2: in Australia. With more than forty thousand people currently incarcerated,

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Speaker 2: one in two will go back inside within the first

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Speaker 2: two years of being released. SBS has a new series

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Speaker 2: Life on the Outside, that investigates this further. The host

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Speaker 2: is Wentworth's Daniel Kormack, who joins us Now, Hi, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Great to talk to you again, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: I think people haven't seen you to for ages been

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Speaker 2: too long.

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Speaker 3: Where have you been, man? I follow you on Instagram

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Speaker 3: and I see you riding. Yahale, You're still on your bike, still.

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Speaker 1: On my bike, still still fighting the good site.

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Speaker 3: Good don't fall off it hurts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, I know this.

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Speaker 2: With this series, I find this fascinating because I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have misconceptions about life in prison

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Speaker 2: and oh they've got it good and better than me, etc.

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Speaker 2: I think it is really, really tough, and I think

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Speaker 2: that it serves our society to rehability take prisoners rather

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Speaker 2: than having them reoffend.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, and this and this show Life on the Outside,

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Speaker 1: you know, it highlights that very fact that there are

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Speaker 1: some major, major gats and cracks in the system where

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Speaker 1: you know, people are just falling through again and again

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Speaker 1: and again and without that stability or security or support

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Speaker 1: that you know a lot of I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that are incarcerated and has increctly traumatic lives.

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Speaker 1: Some obviously haven't as well. I know that people would

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Speaker 1: argue that, but you know, we need to find different

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Speaker 1: ways to be able to support people when they come

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Speaker 1: out of conceration. And this show is it highlights that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't offer a solution. It's just it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's proposing something an initiative that could be an

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Speaker 1: interesting start.

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Speaker 3: And you've got a story on there about Sierra. She's

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Speaker 3: been in jail for thirteen months for drug possession and

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Speaker 3: stealing and she wants to get a life back on

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Speaker 3: track for and be spend times with her kids and

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Speaker 3: all that sort of stuf. But but it's easier said

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Speaker 3: than done, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It is when you when you've been incastreds for a

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Speaker 1: long time and you've been stigmatized by by the system

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Speaker 1: and by society, it's really hard to reintegrate yourself back

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Speaker 1: into into into functioning society, you know, finding accommodation, breaking

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Speaker 1: those toxic relationships that might have enabled you to be

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Speaker 1: incarcerated in the first place. So so what the show does.

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Speaker 1: It houses these inmates X and mates that have been

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Speaker 1: freed and uh and families and or individuals have invited

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Speaker 1: them to come to stay, to give them a safe

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Speaker 1: a safe space, to give them that security and just

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Speaker 1: I guess just you know, a normal functioning family or

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Speaker 1: just household. And so it gives them a chance to

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Speaker 1: you know, to get back out into the world, you know,

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Speaker 1: get all their paperwork in order, and to you know,

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Speaker 1: feel secure enough to go and find employment or upskill

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Speaker 1: themselves rather than falling back into the same kind of

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Speaker 1: patterns with you know, renders them back inside in such

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Speaker 1: a short space of time, because.

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Speaker 3: It'd be a giant leaper, be a giant leap of faith,

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Speaker 3: sorry Daniel, for an employer to put on. Like say

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Speaker 3: a guy comes out of jail and he says, I

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Speaker 3: want to get a start, I want to change my life.

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Speaker 3: So the employer has to have that giant leap of

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Speaker 3: faith that this guy isn't going to re offend or

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Speaker 3: worse in his in his job what would you say

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Speaker 3: to an employer that was looking at.

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Speaker 1: That, I'd say, you know, there's this whole doring people

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Speaker 1: a second chance to you know, you know, everyone everyone

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Speaker 1: has a story, and some stories some people's stories are

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Speaker 1: a lot kind of another. You know, the people that

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Speaker 1: I meet on this on the show, they really really

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Speaker 1: want to you know, they want to have a good life.

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Speaker 1: They want to they want to give back to society.

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Speaker 1: They want to be pro social, not antisocial, and it's

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Speaker 1: you know, at the and for them when they first

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Speaker 1: come out of the system, it's not set up to them.

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Speaker 1: There's very few places to be able to go on

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Speaker 1: day after you come out, you know, and safe places.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something like only thirty beds somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: housing that's not particularly appropriate or conducive to getting back

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Speaker 1: on track. I'd say to anybody that is even you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that the show will be provocative and it will,

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Speaker 1: you know, make people ask themselves that same question. Would

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Speaker 1: I employ a person who has just been released? Would

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Speaker 1: I allow someone like that into my house? Or someone

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Speaker 1: who has a previous record, And I just say, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a great exercise and kindness and compassion as

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Speaker 1: well and a lot of these people haven't been afforded

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Speaker 1: by in their lives.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the outcomes for these people would be

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Speaker 2: better and the society would be better if we could

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Speaker 2: rehabilitate rather than create recidivism where they end up back

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Speaker 2: in prison again. It's an amazing show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Life on the Outside of premieres tomorrow at eight thirty

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Speaker 2: on SBS.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Daniel, shiny side up. Okay, when you're on your.

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Speaker 1: Sled, keep that lid tight.

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Speaker 3: There you go, Thank you, Daniel. Take it easy, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Daniel Cormack.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: Life on the Outside premier is tomorrow at eight thirty

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Speaker 3: on SBS.

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