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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the first of December.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison has become the first former Prime minister to

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Speaker 2: be censured in an historic motion in Parliament yesterday.

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Speaker 4: The gravity of what we are dealing with today is

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Speaker 4: a ceture motion beyond what the Parliament has previously dealt with.

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Speaker 5: I do not apologize for taking action in a national

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Speaker 5: crisis in order to save lives and to save livelygals.

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Speaker 6: The former Prime minister as an apology to the Australian people.

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Speaker 7: That sit above the cut and thrust of politics, and

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Speaker 7: this cench motion goes to our system of democracy.

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Speaker 8: We're going to look at how we got to this moment.

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Speaker 2: From Scott Morrison swearing himself in as various ministers in

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Speaker 2: secret to yesterday's censure motion and what it all means.

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Speaker 2: The first Sam what's making headlines.

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Speaker 9: Today, Zara.

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Speaker 3: There will be a lot of tired Australians today, but

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Speaker 3: all for a good reason. Australia is through to the

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Speaker 3: last sixteen of the FIFA World Cup after defeating Denmark

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Speaker 3: one niel in a thrilling game overnight. Matthew Lackey scored

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Speaker 3: for the Aussies in the sixtieth minute and Australia held

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Speaker 3: on for the victory. We don't know who we're playing yet,

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Speaker 3: but what we do know is that we're playing at

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Speaker 3: six am Australian Eastern daylight time on Sunday morning. I

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Speaker 3: cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: To establish a National Anti Corruption Commission has finally passed Parliament.

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Speaker 2: PM Anthony Albanezi and Attorney General Mark Drefuss said the

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Speaker 2: commission would be established in mid twenty twenty three. They

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Speaker 2: confirmed they're already looking for a commissioner to lead the

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Speaker 2: federal watchdog.

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Speaker 3: Prices have risen by six point nine percent in the

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Speaker 3: twelve months up to October twenty twenty two. That's according

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Speaker 3: to the latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

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Speaker 3: This is actually a smaller rise than the seven point

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Speaker 3: three percent recorded up to September, with the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: expecting inflation to peak at around eight percent by the

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Speaker 3: end of the year. Today's good news.

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Speaker 2: The Australian Open Golf Tournament will tee off today, with

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Speaker 2: both men and women set to feature for the first

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Speaker 2: time in the championship's history. The tournament will run until Sunday,

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Speaker 2: and the winners of each competition will equally split the

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Speaker 2: three point four million dollars in prize money. An historic

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Speaker 2: censure motion passed in Parliament yesterday with eighty six votes

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Speaker 2: to fifty. Now, this makes Scott Morrison the first ever

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister to be censured, and it reignited debate on

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Speaker 2: his decision to secretly swear himself into multiple ministerial positions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot to unpack here. It was quite

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Speaker 3: a complicated day in Parliament and I want to get

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Speaker 3: back to the censure motion in a second, but let's

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Speaker 3: start with the secret ministries because that's kind of the

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Speaker 3: root of the issue here.

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Speaker 2: It is so in August we found out that when

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Speaker 2: he was PM, Scott Morrison appointed himself secretly to multiple

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Speaker 2: with them. Morrison has continued to defend his position, saying

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Speaker 10: It was a very difficult time, it was a very

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Speaker 10: unusual time. It was a very extraordinary time that tested

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Speaker 3: Okay, And after the story broke, the government commissioned an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the inquiry was led by a former High

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Speaker 2: So the first reason Bell found for this appointment was

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Speaker 8: Hunt was aware of this reason.

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Speaker 2: The second reason was to act as a check on

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Speaker 2: this appointment, including the Australian publican. In her inquiry, Bell

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Speaker 3: Okay, and he didn't just assign himself to the health portfolio.

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Speaker 3: What did the inquiry find about the other appointments.

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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison. Again, in this case, Bell found the appointment

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Speaker 2: was a necessary but her accounts of the following appointments,

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Speaker 2: assessments became more scathing. Why was that, Well, the next

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Speaker 8: So all of these separate portfolios, and again none of

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Speaker 2: In our inquiry, Bell found that these appointments were basically

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Speaker 2: these later cases, Morrison was appointed to quote give himself

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Speaker 3: I want to talk more about those powers and what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Morrison actually only used the powers that he

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Speaker 2: So of all of those powers that he had, of

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Speaker 6: We're shining sunlight on a shadow government that preferred to

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Speaker 6: operate in darkness, a government that operated in a cult

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Speaker 6: of secrecy and a culture of cover up, which arrogantly

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Speaker 2: We'll be back in just a moment, but first a

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Speaker 2: message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 3: Zara. I remember when we first learned about the Morrison

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Speaker 3: ministries and we first put up that title with the

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Speaker 3: five Morrisons standing next to each other. There was a

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Speaker 3: lot of discussion about if what Scott Morrison did was

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Speaker 3: even legal. You had a chat to a constitutional law expert,

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Speaker 3: George Williams about this and he said it wasn't illegal,

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Speaker 3: but it was extremely unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: in our show notes if you want a refresher. But basically,

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Speaker 2: George Williams said in our chat that Morrison's appointment to

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Speaker 2: these various ministries suggested that there was quite an urgent

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Speaker 11: I think you've got to learn your lesson from this,

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Speaker 11: and that is legislate for transparency and a simple rule

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Speaker 11: that says whenever a minister is appointed, Parliament must be

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Speaker 11: notified within a week or a few days. That would

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Speaker 3: But that wasn't necessarily the focus of the Bell Report.

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Speaker 3: It didn't really set out to determine whether or not

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Speaker 3: what Morrison did was legal. But it did though make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it made six recommendations and all of them

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Speaker 2: sent it around this idea of increasing transparency about ministerial

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Speaker 2: exactly what George Williams suggested when he spoke to us,

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Speaker 6: I will recommend to the Meeting of Cabinet next week

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Speaker 6: that our government implement all six recommendations of the Bell

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Speaker 6: Inquiry to restore the Australian people's faith in our democratic institutions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the government's looking at these reforms to prevent

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Speaker 3: this kind of thing from happening again in secret. Are

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Speaker 2: Well, that brings us to yesterday and the center motion

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Speaker 2: and again important to highlight, they don't really have any

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Speaker 8: It is symbolic.

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Speaker 8: And they're also pretty rare.

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Speaker 2: The last time an MP was censured was back in

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Speaker 2: They moved a motion to censure Small Business Minister Bruce Bilson,

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Speaker 2: and he's not in Parliament anymore, but this censure was

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Speaker 3: And talk me through what actually happened.

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Speaker 8: The motion was called by a Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 4: The gravity of what we are dealing with today is

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Speaker 4: a censure motion beyond what the Parliament has previously dealt.

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Speaker 2: With before the Parliament went to a vote. We did

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Speaker 2: hear from Scott Morrison himself.

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Speaker 5: I do not apologize for taking action, especially prudent redundancy action,

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Speaker 5: in a national crisis, in order to save lives and

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Speaker 2: He said that it wasn't that he was hiding these appointments,

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Speaker 2: but rather that nobody had ever asked him about them.

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Speaker 5: Had I been asked about these matters at the time

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Speaker 5: responded truthfully about the arrangements. I had put in place.

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Speaker 2: When he got to the floor yesterday, PM Anthony Albaniz

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Speaker 2: he said he hadn't planned on speaking, but when he

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Speaker 6: The former Prime minister as an apology to the Australian

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Speaker 6: motion should be supported by every member.

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Speaker 2: So when the motion finally did go to a vote,

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Speaker 2: of exceptions to that, and one of them was very notable.

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Speaker 2: That was Liberal m P Bridget Archer, who crossed the floor,

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Speaker 2: which basically means she voted against her party in favor

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Speaker 2: of the censure.

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Speaker 7: There is a great privilege that comes with being the

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Speaker 7: Prime Minister, but with that comes great responsibility an accountability

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Speaker 7: which you can't have without transparency. It might bear a

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Speaker 7: shock to some who sit here from all sides, but

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Speaker 7: this is not a game. There are things that sit

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Speaker 7: above the cut and thrust of politics, and this sense

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Speaker 7: motion goes to our system of democracy.

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