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Speaker 3: We've got a pretty exciting guest on Rosso.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tim had a book that was probably one of

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Speaker 1: the first books I read outside high school. But it

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Speaker 1: was with It was with Merrick, and it was literally

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Speaker 1: called Eric and Rosso the Book, and it was very

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Speaker 1: much a picture book, but it was very funny. It

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Speaker 1: was very funny that.

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Speaker 3: One sold all right in America and Rosso the book

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Speaker 3: and then and then we went from Triple Jade and

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Speaker 3: Nova and the buggers at ABC Books cracked it, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: they stopped. They wouldn't reprint it, so it was out

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Speaker 3: of print. Collectors on them you can get them Monday

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Speaker 3: for about four dollars.

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Speaker 1: To turn the book. Yeah, the shop for about three.

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Speaker 3: You know. The worst thing is is I learnt very

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Speaker 3: early on that when someone asked you to write something,

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Speaker 3: you know, so can you sign this to my brother?

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Speaker 3: And then can you say that? And then you're right,

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Speaker 3: all right, dear Graham, why don't you yeah, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: it's so funny. And then my brother, right, he was

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Speaker 3: in an op shop one day and he saw one of.

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Speaker 1: My books, opens it up.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, dear Graham, why did you go? You

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Speaker 3: got to be so when people say to me, now,

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Speaker 3: can you you know, I would not do that because

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Speaker 3: I'd like to think that people keep my books forever.

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Speaker 3: But they don't cost a living crisis. They just go

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Speaker 3: get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: I got this beautiful Bert Newton autobiography from the seventies, right, and.

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Speaker 3: He had the watermelon on the front.

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Speaker 1: He did a few It was just his yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was just his head, and it was called Bert. And

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Speaker 1: I was reading it at UNI. I was obsessed with that,

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Speaker 1: all right, And so I was a massive Burt Newton fan,

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Speaker 1: I've got the Burt book in the car and I can't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And he was so great. He wrote in my book,

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Speaker 1: best wishes Burt Newton or something like that. And I

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Speaker 3: Is like just lovely Jim. She was doing the Apprentice

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Speaker 3: He's like sucking his like Speen and the duneies, and

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Speaker 1: He's sucking that back like seventy show beers should That's

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. That is so good. He would put

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Speaker 1: Like it was like because this film he was actually

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Speaker 3: It's so so it's like it's called it's called Cook's Cottage.

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Speaker 3: So you go wonder if fucking Maggie Beer's in there.

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Speaker 1: early two thousands. Oh yeah, what are you cooking today?

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Speaker 1: you cooking today, Maggie? Because I'm cooking a nice mate

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Speaker 3: How many episodes you reckon? They would punch it out

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Speaker 3: in a day of that show.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I like to think she was

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Speaker 1: like Johnny Young somewhere in Fiji with a tit out

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Speaker 3: She was an exceptional show.

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Speaker 1: It was a great show. Four teams walked into not

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, this is the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to get you in basically because obviously you're

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Speaker 1: a massive curR enthusiast Massive car podcast as well, and

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Speaker 1: obviously the book Chuck a Yueie. You've got a whole

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Speaker 1: heap of stuff, and congrats on that new pod you're

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Speaker 1: doing with Kevin McLeod as well, So that's easy.

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Speaker 3: He's more of a car up than I am. Is

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Speaker 3: he mad? Mad? He's got like never would have picked that.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's got he's got quite the collection. He's got

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Speaker 3: this thing a Mirandez like nineteen twenties thing. Right, it's

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Speaker 3: like an quite obscure nineteen twenties Italian. Maybe it's English,

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Speaker 3: We were going through the French countryside one day, as

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Speaker 3: You could, guys and alpha. He had a like a

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Speaker 3: Cars people types? But he I think he was just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because when I tried looking for it, it keeps

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Speaker 4: coming up with cars at the Menendez Brothers and I remember,

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Speaker 3: I never remember. I'm useless with this stuff because like

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Speaker 3: it out. So we were having this trip with his family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's it. Yeah, it's made of wood, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how keV maneuvers the car. It goes

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Speaker 3: Like I literally like I literally thought I was going

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Speaker 3: the really small byline here. Yes, it was just like

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Speaker 3: keeping McLoud killed.

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Speaker 1: With Australian Yahoo.

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Speaker 3: So that's for me, Like I admire people who like

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Speaker 1: Having said that that wouldn't be a ship way to die.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there'd be worse ways to die, you know.

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Speaker 3: This thing, like I look at there's this worth having

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Speaker 3: a look at. Right, there's an extraordinary video that the

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Speaker 3: National Film and Sound and arch I did where they

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Speaker 4: that they're buying for cheap because thieves are stealing the car,

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00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 4: stripping them down, dumping shells in the middle of nowhere,

433
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 4: and then these cars will go overseas and they'll they'll

434
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 4: put LA threes and lsays in all.

435
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 3: These different things.

436
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 4: So it's it's weird that this the last little bit

437
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 4: of connection that we have is now getting.

438
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 3: Stolen by the thieves. It's crazy. It's say nothing is

439
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 3: nothing is safe these days. It's part yeah, it's it

440
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: really is disappointing.

441
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: And it's these thieves that ironically a younger kids who

442
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,239
Speaker 4: have no real interesting cars and are doing it for

443
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 4: whatever their reasons are.

444
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 3: But these cars have such sentimental value.

445
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 4: This one dude that emailed me, he had a club

446
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 4: sport LSA that he drove to Chadstone. He knew about

447
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 4: all of these thefts happening. He drove it to Chadstone

448
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 4: to take his wife out for her birthday lunch. He

449
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: was in there for an hour and the car was

450
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 4: gone and this guy right.

451
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 3: Take it, Chaddy.

452
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how do I do want to say anything?

453
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 1: But like, what are you doing taking in a bloody

454
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: gold class.

455
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 3: It's a pancake, parlancake.

456
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 1: There is a my brother. When I was down in

457
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: Melbourne recently, my brother took me to there's like a

458
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: new wing of Chadstene.

459
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 3: And it's very fancy.

460
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: My brother was going, oh, yeah, you know when we

461
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: when we finished all the bloody construction on this this

462
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: oyster bar, hear me and blah blah blah. We had

463
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: all you know, we're here for five six hours and

464
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 1: all the oysters and champagne. It was like Don Perry

465
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 1: and I thought, yeah, but you're still getting pissed in

466
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: a shopping center. Yeah, it's still fucking chatty. What are

467
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: you doing?

468
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: What do you want to do?

469
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: You get pissed and go to times? What are you doing?

470
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: How weird anyway, But it's it's there's a there's a

471
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: posh section, there's a hotel there. Now people who stay there.

472
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 3: I stayed at the hotel.

473
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: It's my was it with your wife or someone else?

474
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: Someone's across the road was the Oakley Motel. Yeah, first

475
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: motels in the country, and so the idea was that

476
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: because on Danning Long Road there was the where they

477
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 3: had the nineteen fifty six Olympics marathon. Really, so it's there. Well,

478
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 3: the idea was that it was going to be on

479
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: the halfway mark to the nineteen for fifty six Olympics,

480
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: so people could stay in the motel and then come

481
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 3: out the front and then watch everyone run past because

482
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: astraight and get it finished till nine fifty.

483
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 1: Remember when Chadsten was just like that, the Maya section,

484
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: it's just like that square, kind of brown brown.

485
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: One of the great one of the great modernists. Yeah,

486
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: shopping centers in the country. Yeah, like the motel, it

487
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 3: was like the future had come to the suburbs.

488
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and now.

489
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: It still has the actual subburbtimes.

490
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: The suburb is a shopping center now, yeah, it's it's wild. Hey.

491
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: When Merrick came on the podcast, he told a great

492
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: story of you guys would quite often on a Friday

493
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: get stuck into the beers and just buy random cars.

494
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 3: I don't know where there was in the afternoon. It

495
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: was probably about yeah, yes, I mean neither of us.

496
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: You know, Look, the truth is somewhere in between, you

497
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: know when it happened. My version of events and his

498
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: quite often different with these stuff. The one truth was

499
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 3: is that there was always a copy in our office

500
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: of unique Car. I love it. And so whenever a

501
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: program director would come in, and it was mostly means

502
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 3: to be honest, he would turn his back but just

503
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 3: and he'd have his notes out and his glasses off.

504
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we occasionally we bought a bunch of

505
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 3: different things. But the famous ones we bought was a

506
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 3: Lalan P seventy six. Yes, we bought a one eighty b's.

507
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: Oh he didn't pay for that as a station car.

508
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: That's cool. Did you buy a car from two hands?

509
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: And then the two hands car that used to that's

510
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: a long degree of Jordan. We were just a shop

511
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: it's being that shopping somewhere at Fox Studios, and he

512
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 3: drove past. He was trying to sell out to someone.

513
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 3: And then we had like a four sort of van

514
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: like Captain's chairs that we had, oh cool or something. Yeah,

515
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: it was like I had it was but it was

516
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: a really bad job job and worse conversion. And we

517
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: ended up giving it to a producer of ours, I

518
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 3: don't know, and she couldn't get it registered. I was

519
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: just I don't know what happened to it, but it

520
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 3: was like it was our vision of the eighteen van

521
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: basically when we're doing a TV show. And then I

522
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: left it out in the front of my house like

523
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: I had that the out an eh at the time,

524
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: and then I had the Citron and then they rang

525
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 3: the counsel on me trying to get rid of it. Yeah,

526
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: but there was I think it was. We would be

527
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: quite bored and think, you know. And they were always

528
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: just cheap bangers. Nothing was expensive, like we bought the

529
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: Blalan's I think maybe two eight grand or something off

530
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: the same some dude in coeensland Mark here, you know,

531
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: we'll take them.

532
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 5: Both by its like you can literally and the blokes

533
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 5: just on the other other end of the phone.

534
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: Cool, Are you taking a piss right now? I'm in

535
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: the bar toilets?

536
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 3: But how you buy these things? I bought my eh.

537
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: I was in Tasmania and I was going for a

538
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: walk and I saw it there. I wrote down it's

539
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: before phones with cameras, and I wrote down phone number

540
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 3: for it, and it was cheap, and I thought, I

541
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: was just like, I'm going to buy this, and then

542
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: I lost the piece of paper. I put it an

543
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: ad in the Mercury saying if you were selling a

544
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: Kalgaroley Brown nineteen sixty three ah old, and I'd like

545
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: to buy it. I've lost your details. Can you give

546
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 3: me a good how'd you go? So good? And then

547
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 3: he and then he emailed me, I rang me or

548
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: something I bought at his sensational and then he wanted

549
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: to buy it back off. Yeah, isn't it funny?

550
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: Like I know, Gordy, you're in radio, but for me

551
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: on the outside looking in, it seems it was a

552
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: bit of wild West. Back then, you kind of do

553
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: whatever you wanted. You guys were kind of stars of

554
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 4: the show you can get away with murder? Is there

555
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: sort of stuff that you were told no, no, you

556
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: can't do that.

557
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 3: I mean that stuff was they were when we bought

558
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: the one, ad By were well, they paid for the

559
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: one ady b It was more than I think that

560
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: stuff was just like how money just doing what we want,

561
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 3: you know, like just because we like it was just

562
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: fun and I think you got a bit of money

563
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: for you. I mean, I don't know investments. But the

564
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: best thing was was we said we had the peel

565
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: me great purple one. That's the one the station took.

566
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: They put the details on it looked great and we

567
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: said them, I'll lease it to you and then if

568
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: anything goes wrong, we'll we'll repair it. We want to

569
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: buy it, we want to buy it, and like literally

570
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: it spent all its time in the shop because they

571
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: were using as a street car driving it out.

572
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I was going to say they used to do really cool.

573
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: Nova used to like, oh man, they used to do

574
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: really cool things when they launched in Melbourne. And I'm

575
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: not sure if they did do this in Sydney. I

576
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: suspect they did, but they had like the Nova ambos

577
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: in Melbourne and they were old retired ambulance and they

578
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: used to just deck them out and use them as

579
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: the road cars. Like they had this really fresh, different

580
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: approach to making radio. I loved it.

581
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: It was in the shop as well.

582
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, I could imagine that would kill.

583
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: Those ambos great. And you know, they got these super

584
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: attractive young guys and girls and outfits getting around and

585
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: people like that as well. But they don't. They don't

586
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: have station vehicles anymore, do they.

587
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: I think some of them they still have a k

588
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 4: Rock car because I'm from Geelong.

589
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: They had a k Rock caravan when I was there

590
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: and I was director, was probably fucking living in it.

591
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 4: But what did they have for No, I've just quickly

592
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 4: pulled this up while you were while we were talking,

593
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 4: and in the background of one of these pictures down here,

594
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: I can actually see a fuel station and you can

595
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: actually just see the price of fuel sixty eight point

596
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: five cents a leader for unleaded and that would have

597
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: been two thousand and one.

598
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know when that photo shirt was for

599
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: me's in them?

600
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but it's is it not crazy that when

601
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: you look look at stuff like where these cars have

602
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: evolved and fuel prices and stuff.

603
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: It is funny. Fuel prices kept.

604
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: Going up, and with the advent here of electric cars,

605
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: I feel like fuel prices haven't gone up for like

606
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: five years about the same price that they were were

607
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: five years ago. Because they're trying to make it sound

608
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: more attractive than the rising electricity costs.

609
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: But it used to be cheap to run a car

610
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: like that, like you know, but then you think one

611
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: of the strange things about this country is that no

612
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: one ever thought feel was.

613
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: Cheap and they still don't. Which you go to Europe

614
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: or the UK, they're paying double the price. Yeah, America's

615
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: like America is expensive now as well.

616
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like people have always complained. I mean the budgets

617
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: were all around petrol price. Yeah booze smokes, that is

618
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: it's the only thing we ever cared about. Yeah, it

619
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: was like SIGs up petrol up the country. Fuck yeah,

620
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: like that.

621
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Was the criteria.

622
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: One of the most amazing archive footage in this country

623
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: is people when they brought in random breath testing and

624
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: how people responded to that, how outrageously really, that's next,

625
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: Why can't I drive home pissed? Incredible because like it

626
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: was a national sport. Yeah, absolutely, but you.

627
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: Know, we need to be more like the South Africans.

628
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 4: They had tolling booths for you it to go give money.

629
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 4: They rolled out electronic toll gantries and started sending notices

630
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: to people who didn't pay. No one paid, and now

631
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: there's all these gantries that are switched off because they

632
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 4: just stopped the system because no one. They all just

633
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: got together and said no, no, fuck that, we're not

634
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 4: doing that. If you want me to pay, you're going

635
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: to come and accept my money, so that it's South

636
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: Africa for you.

637
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: We need to need more like that.

638
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: So I've got a few fines like that I just

639
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: have not paid because I can't tell if they're like

640
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: a scam or like linked T who's that?

641
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: Well that's real. Yeah, yeah, probably pay that.

642
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: There's a warrant out for my arrest with that, but it.

643
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: Could still be Yeah, I do something about it.

644
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite like, do you have a

645
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: favorite car that you've owned or that you are yet

646
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: to own that you would love.

647
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing because I look at cars all

648
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 3: the time and then I don't. Someone asked me that,

649
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: and I quite like slightly idea of looking at something

650
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: and go I like that, and then I don't I

651
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: don't need to own anything anymore because I don't need

652
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: the drama. I like my last car, older car. I

653
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: bought a Range Drover two. Yep, it was. It was

654
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: a really good car. And then it got done in

655
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: the floods and the noise and that sort of broke

656
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: my heart. It was it was a good car, and

657
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: it's like I had a few fumes, so you know,

658
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: it didn't take long for the kids to fall asleep

659
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: in the back had to plus and the girl the

660
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: mates go, I love your car. Can we go in

661
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: your dad's car? Yeah, no worries and then a bit back.

662
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 6: Jeez, I love you done sleep that sort of both,

663
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 6: and then I sort of after that, I thought, oh,

664
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 6: you know, no, no, maybe maybe.

665
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: But it's hard when you get kids because you need

666
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: something that is reliable. Last thing you need is a

667
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: car fucking breaking down somewhere.

668
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: With kids, you just don't want another house and it's

669
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: hard to find it. I feel like I'm constantly searching

670
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: for a family car that I enjoy it, and I

671
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: just don't think there's any family cars really and yet

672
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: to to have an old Ranger. So maybe that could

673
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: be one but I'm just yet to find.

674
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: But even imagine the middle of summer you go to

675
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: go for a drive somewhere and they think overheats at

676
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: the lights and yeah, your wife cracks the shits at you,

677
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: the kids do that save you.

678
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: Then you'll get it. But it's as it is for me.

679
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: It's actually that's it's the old ones in the fumes

680
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: that I can't cop like it. It's just it's too

681
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: much for me. Obviously didn't mind back in the day.

682
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: I don't know how we didn't notice it back then,

683
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: but like and then you think, oh, maybe something maybe

684
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: late nineties, and then they're not it kind of just

685
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: tails off of it. Yeah, they're just there's a commitment

686
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: to it. You know. You see people and go, oh god,

687
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want one of those old little three series

688
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: wagon like you know, i'd like that. And then I

689
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: just go, no, I don't care. Yeah, which is really

690
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: disappointing anyone selling a car and not buying it. But otherwise,

691
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: and I think people always and people who like cars

692
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: always trying to talk you into it. You should get it,

693
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: should get it. Well, what are you driving as a

694
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: family car? Now we've got a land drover Discovery. That's brave,

695
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: and that goes all right, it's been a good car.

696
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: What year is that Disco four? It's two twenty something around, yes,

697
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: And then I've got I've had a McCarn for five

698
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: years and that's been the best car.

699
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: Mccarne is just so good that the new one, if

700
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: you don't know, the V one is fully electric and

701
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: it is like, whoever made that decision needs to get

702
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: a bonk on the head because.

703
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: They had they rush a pet one back, haven't they.

704
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: I think I saw that well, but they're not going

705
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: to call it a McCann.

706
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: So basically they said McCann is dead, it is ev

707
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: only now forever, and we're going to bring back an

708
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: internal combustion one, but it won't be called a McCarn.

709
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: So it'll no doubt be this'll it'll be a botched.

710
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: Platform share because they're rushing it in that that last

711
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: McCarn was the best car they ever made because you

712
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: had a great variety of engines, the tech inside was

713
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 4: modern enough for its time, and it drove like a

714
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 4: Porschit like it just wasn't.

715
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: It didn't drive like an There's.

716
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: The reason why they're so popular because they.

717
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 4: Hold their value. Yeah, because people just want them. And

718
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: they also you can buy a five or six year

719
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: old one and it looks like the one that was

720
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: last last year.

721
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: You know, it didn't change myself, but I just I

722
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: think it might. It's probably been my last good car.

723
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: And then I'll just start buying silly things like just

724
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: to put shit in the back and whatever. And then

725
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 3: I've also got Michelle didn't get around of selling our

726
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: old X five and we've still got that line around yep.

727
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: And that's the one I'm really nostalgic about. Ye and

728
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: it's done three hundred and fifty. I love an older

729
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: and it's a cracker and it's like it is but

730
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: anyway it gets. It's been getting over the pits most years,

731
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: and so and I sort of, you know, we are.

732
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: It's one of those things. Go sell it and someone

733
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: like it's got to scratch down the side and I just,

734
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: you know, use it for holidays and put gear in

735
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: the back and yeah, because it's I don't know, I'm

736
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: just feel I feel super connected to it. Yeah. Yeah,

737
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: they just don't make them, like the new X five

738
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: is nice. But BMW went through phases with their cars

739
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: where they don't make any sense to me, and that

740
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: in w today it's just like fusing if you I

741
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: always I had a three Series touring Wagon Want two

742
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: thousand and eight or something. That wasn't a bad car

743
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: in the South African. It wasn't liked anyway. They had

744
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: a few issues, but like anyway I got, I got,

745
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: I got to where I needed with it, had it

746
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: for quite some time. But after that, I would just like,

747
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: they just don't look like BMW's, they don't feel like BMW's.

748
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: They look like they're cars for Americans, and so they

749
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: have no appeal. Whereas for me, my uncle had a

750
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: three Series when I was a kid, and I just

751
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: loved it. It's green, beautiful, yeah, and I just and

752
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: I'd always wanted one, And so we went to sho

753
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: you went to get my wife a car. She was like,

754
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: where's my cars because and then she at the time,

755
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: I think she was driving a Golf which was that

756
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: was a good car as well. And I was a

757
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: Folkswagen ambassador for a few years, and so we had

758
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: I had all of them. I liked those cars as well.

759
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: And then she was looking for new one and she

760
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: couldn't make up her mind. Just be confusing her. Yeah,

761
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: what about that one or clever? And then she went

762
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: and then she just without she just went out and

763
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 3: bought that X five without asking me because she knew

764
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: my keys.

765
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: She just know that's good.

766
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh but what about this fun just like I have

767
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: a look at that.

768
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: Oh I should have a.

769
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: Look at that one, Panda, that's what that is, okay.

770
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: So that so that is the only car that I want.

771
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: And this if I had been thinking that I might

772
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: get one in the UK, leave it at KEM to

773
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: lock up and then I can drive it when I'm

774
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: in the UK. It's a fucking stupid it's a great eye.

775
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: Did all fit in in the UKK? Yeah, Like I

776
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: don't need one here? Yeah, but that then like i'll

777
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: drive it once a year, yeah, when I'm there for work.

778
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: But you know, that's that's a weird obsession of mine.

779
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good though that especially the older ones made

780
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: the same with the Citron as well, made such quirky

781
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: really cool in.

782
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: Quirki engines as well.

783
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to look here that they offered that

784
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: car with aer point nine liter two cylinder engine, amongst others.

785
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: But it's it's the quirky type of random. It'd run

786
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: your cappuccino machine.

787
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: I'll get one of those. Yeah, there's none of them here.

788
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: You can't find them here. They did the Panda for

789
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: a little bit, but they weren't very popular.

790
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: And I just shudder at the thought of owning a

791
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: feet in Australia because it would be expensive to repair

792
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: and random shit like that where they don't have any parts.

793
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: It's just not worth is in the UK that would

794
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: be time. It doesn't Killer who used to live we

795
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: used to share a house with Fladden, a band with

796
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: our Killer and he had one two koiller and he

797
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: had to do all the work himself and then people

798
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: used to take parts off it and stuff out in

799
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: the front of the house. But he's the best and

800
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: he went out went out and bought it off. This

801
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: guy in Ringwood's retired and Benny just like Kill his

802
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: nickname is, but Bennie used to he liked to think

803
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: that he could get a good deal and so he

804
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: goes out there. This guy is like retiring, just wants

805
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: to get rid of it. His wife wants him to

806
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: move on this car, so he beats him down on

807
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: the price and then he asked him to go and

808
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: fill it up with fuel and then makes him throw

809
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: in the driving gloves.

810
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 6: Oh my god, he had killer has huge hands, so

811
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 6: they didn't.

812
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: Even fit him.

813
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: And he's like and a little round tin of barley

814
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: sugars too, and I'll take those collection of drawing out.

815
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: That thing. But I actually died by the same I remember, god,

816
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 3: the one after the DS, the c X and I

817
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: went out to the suburbs and it was this beautiful car.

818
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: The guy would let me drive it? Oh was he

819
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: that wead to do it? Yeah, And I'm not. I'm

820
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: not buying a car that you want to drive around.

821
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: I don't get to drive it. Like that's stupid. I

822
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: just turned up. I was immobility stage at that's that stage.

823
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: I think it turned up in a pair of thole

824
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: as he went, I'm not letting this car drive.

825
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: You know, you go into like a really good classic

826
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: car dealership, now, like you go into like have you

827
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: ever been a throttle classic? I mean you walk around

828
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: that place. One of the cars are phenomenally overpriced, but

829
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: shout out to you guys, you do a great job.

830
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: But it is it is like walking in an art

831
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: gallery and you just stand there.

832
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: That's that's an issue for me because if I musted

833
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 4: up enough money to buy one of those, I'd never

834
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: drive it because I'd be concerned about hurting the thing

835
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 4: or having someone run into it. I just want something

836
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: that's a little bit weathered but still. Yeah, you know,

837
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: I just don't feel bad someone you know, puts a

838
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: shopping trolley into it or whatever.

839
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Their ability to to sell something that's not really

840
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: that collectible is pretty amazing. You got some of the

841
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: shit in there. I'm just like, what, who's going to

842
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: buy that? But then it just moves. Yeah, it's strange. Yeah.

843
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had they had a Cayman are in there,

844
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: and which is a great great yeah, but they wanted

845
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten. Don't do that, Like, don't do that? Well,

846
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: what others are there in the market. I had a

847
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: look and there was like a fluoro purple looking wrap

848
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and it was around about the stad they've priced them

849
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: both at the same price. I'm like, okay, whatever. Some

850
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: of their cars, though, like you look at them and

851
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: you go, these are pristine, and there's a lot of

852
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Doesn't do it, you know, they

853
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: all sort of do it around the country. But I

854
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: just find when I walk in there, you just kind

855
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: of take a quiet moment and you're like, someone's really

856
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: brought this car back to something special and it's you

857
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: don't really need to say anything.

858
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: You just like look at it.

859
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

860
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so many tie Kick is literally in

861
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: that going into that place. But it always feels to

862
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: me that that's that's where when people get rich and

863
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: they think they need to buy a car, they go

864
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: and buy one there because they feel safe and it

865
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: feels like a proper car show room. You know, they're

866
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: nice guys and and they're good salespeople, and you know

867
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: they've always got quality cars there. And then they take

868
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: it home and then they have them for five years

869
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 3: and they never drive them, and then they sell them

870
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: when they get divorced. That's bad.

871
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: Keep them in a secret warehouse. I've seen that. By

872
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: the way. There's there's there's warehouses stacked with the rare

873
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: G two three RS's and they're like the special edition

874
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: and ones that you know go up as soon as

875
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: you drive them out and they're like, no, no, these

876
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: are this is our divorce money, right Because they can't

877
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: trace it, they don't know.

878
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: Where it is crazy future planning.

879
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Yes, glad some of us can do it.

880
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Chucky eweie you.

881
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: We were sort of talking a little off air regarding

882
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: the book and how it all came about. Run Us

883
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: through the History and has it been a success.

884
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've done a book on motels with images

885
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: of Austraians on holidays and that went really well, and

886
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: i'd sort of I've done the I've done the series

887
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: one of the cars that made Australia, and so they

888
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: had all these images around and I've been talking to

889
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: the National Archives and I thought, oh, maybe I'll just

890
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: punch out a book for Christmas, as you do. And

891
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: so I got a hundred images or something, and they're

892
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: pretty most a lot of them in Canberra, and you know,

893
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 3: there was there was someone didn't know what they were

894
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, what's this one? And then

895
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: so there's a few random people I know on Instagram

896
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: what's this this one here? One of them was like

897
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: the god, it's a French car that's made by General Motors,

898
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: that was assembled here by Nissan. No, anyway, it doesn't

899
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: really matter. I can't remember it off the top of

900
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: me head. But it was one of those really obscure ones.

901
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: And so yeah, like I popped it out at Christmas

902
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: time and people really liked us a good gift and

903
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: made it sort of look retro with a sort of

904
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: cover that was like, yes, I love it, and just

905
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: people bought it for their husbands and their dads and

906
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: it's just sort of kept selling ever since. And it's

907
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 3: not my highest selling book, but it's pretty close. And

908
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 3: like it's self published. I've reprinted it like five times.

909
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: And it's not just for car nuts. It's just because

910
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: you can open it up and go nothing. There's a

911
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: whole bunch of Volkswagens on the back of a truck

912
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: from nineteen seventy eight or something like that. They take

913
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: us back in time and they take us to those

914
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: places and memories. And I suppose over the years, I've

915
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: been interested in the exploration of cars and connection to

916
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: us in terms of what manufacturing meant to us, what

917
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: it meant to capture that idea of dad excitement and

918
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: when you came home and mom or Dad had a

919
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: new car and you know that when that happened to us,

920
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: it was huge. Or the neighbors, as we spoke about before,

921
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: and what does it mean to us when we don't

922
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: make cars here? And I think obviously there's the part

923
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 3: of the story that we look at and go, Okay,

924
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: we liked Holden's and Fords and that was important. But

925
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: ultimately the thing that saddens me the most was that

926
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: all these clever, clever people that were working on putting

927
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: these cars together, some of them they're using all those

928
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: skills now to make shopping trolleys. It's inside and how

929
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: we lost all those people and lots of them went

930
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: to America, particularly the designers, and obviously they're working on

931
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 3: other things, but our ability, you know, the story of

932
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: Australian made cars to be competitive with it, to have

933
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: cars that in the end, particularly the Commodore sold so

934
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: well overseas and was a great car and it was

935
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: really the only the Australian dollar going up that really

936
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 3: made a mess of it. We should be incredibly proud

937
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: of that. And it goes beyond just because we could

938
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: do it here and that tarifs made it a possible

939
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: for us. So I think there's something deeply sad that

940
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: we couldn't We can't think that that's possible for us. Again, well,

941
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: we could you're like, I would imagine. I don't know

942
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: what you guys think about this idea that imagine if

943
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: we had some sort of incentive where you could take

944
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: your car and get it turned into an electric car,

945
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 3: and there's all these places around there that could do this, yep,

946
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 3: and then there's a tax advantage for that, or there's

947
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: a rebait to do it, and then you'd have all

948
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: this extraordinary you know, there'd be people doing it in

949
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: the backyards and wherever it was, as long as it's safe,

950
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: I reckon. There would be amazing people who could do

951
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 3: that absolutely well.

952
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 4: You know there's this company called Jaunt and yeah, they

953
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 4: basically do classic land drivers. You take them an old

954
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: ship box. They will take all the old crap out

955
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: of it, turn it into an electric one. And their

956
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 4: thing is that you can have a beatina land crew

957
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 4: as land rover that just looks like it's an old

958
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: shitter that's driving down the road, but it is fully electric.

959
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: It's not gonna overheat at the lights like and you

960
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: know the other thing as well, at manufacturing. I mean

961
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 4: we do a little bit of manufacturing now with a

962
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: lot of the big pickup trucks that are converted left

963
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 4: hand drive to right hand drives, the big industry around that,

964
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: but gone is the innovation that came from designing a

965
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: car from the ground out.

966
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: Like the Commodore at.

967
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: Its finale, was basically a car that was done all

968
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 4: in Australia and it was such a good car that

969
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 4: we wasted so much talent on and that to me

970
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: is a great disappointment. Also a great disappointment is that

971
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: there was just like in Holden's case, no materials left.

972
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: GM just said, now, fuck it, we're closing that. Just

973
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: delete all that shit. We do all of our filming.

974
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: At the proving ground and the guys there don't have

975
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 4: anything left.

976
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: GM just took it all away.

977
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: No one knows where any of the photos and all

978
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: of that nostalgic material went.

979
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: It's insane, it really. They didn't try. They don't know.

980
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: No one knows, and I've tried finding whether they have

981
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: archives of this stuff, but it's just nothing around.

982
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: Do they still have the Ford thing in Geelong there.

983
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 4: But they had the Ford Discovery Center and I've literally

984
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 4: found pictures from when I was a kid. I went

985
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 4: in there and took all these photos and stuff.

986
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: And that's all gone.

987
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 4: Like Ford thankfully has a much richer history and they've

988
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 4: they've got a decent archive of stuff. But you know

989
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: Ford as well. I mean they do still a lot

990
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: of engineering work at the Yu Yang's for Australia and

991
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: other markets. But you read the tea leaves, all that

992
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 4: stuff is going to change eventually. And on the topic

993
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 4: of OSSI's that made it to the to the big time,

994
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: Mike Simcoe was Holden's lead designer. He ended up retiring

995
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 4: earlier this year, but it was the chief designer for GM.

996
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 4: He made it as top as he could to that tree,

997
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 4: so there's a lot to be proud of.

998
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: Michael Simco also designed you know the blue Eski brig

999
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: yes that you put in Young Industrial because I mean

1000
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: all those guys came out through r M I T. Yeah,

1001
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: that's it. Yeah, And they were all like extraordinary and

1002
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: if you if you're really into this, particularly the drawings

1003
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: in r MIT design in museum is extraordinary and they're

1004
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 3: all online you can just check it. And like those

1005
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: renders of all those cars are extraordinary. They're so beautiful,

1006
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: absolutely beautiful. Luckily though they survive and they are to

1007
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: remind us of when we do strive to do something.

1008
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: But you have a look at the government and how

1009
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 4: fuck parts of it are we have. You know, the

1010
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: world's one of the world's biggest supplies of lithium. So

1011
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: what we do is we let companies mind lithium. They

1012
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: send it over to China, they turn it into batteries,

1013
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: they send it back to us in electric cars. Would

1014
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: you not think, let's take this resource that we have,

1015
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 4: create the batteries ourselves, ship them all over the world

1016
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: wherever it needs to go. There are so many industries

1017
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 4: that we could tap into. Google Maps famously, Google bought

1018
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 4: an Australian company that basically created Google Maps in Sydney.

1019
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: I mean, how do we not have this? How do

1020
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: we not nurture this? I think we need to do

1021
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: so much better.

1022
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: It's easier just to dig it up offloaded. I mean,

1023
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: all that's how all our wealth has been made, and.

1024
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 1: They would have manufacturing that, right.

1025
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1026
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: But ultimately, you've got to stand for something, and we

1027
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: can't just stand for digging shit out of the ground

1028
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: and making a few, you know, only a very few

1029
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: companies rich.

1030
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: That's all that happens. What about those military vehicles that

1031
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: we make here, so that they're making.

1032
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: How yeah, they do some of those, so they tend

1033
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: to do well. And now actually military spending and investment

1034
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: in military has gone through the roof, so there is

1035
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: a big industry there and I can't talk about that,

1036
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: but there's other military stuff that's that's coming soon in

1037
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: Victoria as well.

1038
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: Do you know that. I don't know if you've met

1039
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: my friend shift some army secrets.

1040
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: But it's it is disappointing.

1041
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: And to me, my my dad worked at Forward for

1042
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: like almost thirty years, so I have a real connection

1043
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: with Australian manuf actoring and one of my mates lost

1044
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 4: their jobs because I grew up with I went to

1045
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: union with a lot of the engineers that got jobs

1046
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 4: there and now are literally, like you said, designing garbage

1047
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: struck some shopping trolleys.

1048
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just a sad thing. I know it

1049
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: couldn't necessarily last forever, but the fact that we couldn't

1050
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: say we're not going to do that, but you guys

1051
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: shall do this. So we did keep one part of it.

1052
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: The luxury car text is still there.

1053
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: That's still that to me makes no sense.

1054
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: It's a hole that they don't need to have in

1055
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: a budget, which.

1056
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: Time was to import a luxury car from say New Zealand,

1057
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: where like say a Porsche is really bloody cheap. I've

1058
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: still got the amount of dicking around and tax I've

1059
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: got to pay on that when it's a short trip

1060
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: over the.

1061
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 3: Philip Adams told me this great story about Malcolm Fraser

1062
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: back in the day and they wanted when Philip Adams

1063
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: had his advertising agency, and he said, look, I Philip,

1064
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: we want you to do a campaign because we don't

1065
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: want to tell a strands that you know, buying the

1066
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 3: States is just as good as getting a Mercedes, you know,

1067
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: can you do that? Phillips says, well, they're not. You

1068
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: can fucking tell it didn't didn't take on the campaign,

1069
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: which is it is smart.

1070
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't curious to know if you ever been

1071
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: to like I just I love that you have this

1072
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: love and of just nostalgia, all things nostalgia, and especially

1073
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: like that Australiana kind of feel about it. But there's

1074
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: a really good pub here in Sydney and it's called

1075
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: Hawk's Brewery. I don't know if you've been there, but

1076
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: it's a cool place because it's these guys who back

1077
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: in the day started a beer and I guess named

1078
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: it after I don't know that.

1079
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had with Bob Hawk, and he has a

1080
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: state has an involvement in it.

1081
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and so that this brewery is kind of

1082
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: like a shrine to him, and it's a fantastic place,

1083
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: like it's like a museum. But they've got like a

1084
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: really old style, very fake but like an old style

1085
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: Chinese takeaway kind of thing like you would have had

1086
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties. The fried rice there is

1087
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: amazing as it's a frontos but they've got like Hawks

1088
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: like Australia flag jacket you go and take a pierce

1089
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they've got you're like, what's that sound?

1090
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: And they've got Richie commentating the cricket in the like

1091
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: it's really cool. It's just and apparently his house. You

1092
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: would have obviously seen it, but apparently it's just like

1093
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: this beautiful shrine to the to the eighties, like from

1094
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: the color scheme to just everything.

1095
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: In Hawks house.

1096
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1097
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they auctioned everything off. Oh and yeah, people were

1098
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: buying all sorts of stuff from him, all those old

1099
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: couches and stuff. Yeah it's n scouches, but I mean,

1100
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: what's interesting with those guys. Is that you know, they

1101
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: felt like what they were tapping into is their their

1102
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 3: personal feeling was the optimism. Optimism of the nineteen eighties. Yeah,

1103
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 3: and so, which is really important to think about that time.

1104
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: It comes up the back of the nineteen seventies. So

1105
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 3: you see this increase in national pride, cars, films, music,

1106
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: You've got the rise of World Series, cricket, you know,

1107
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: this whole sort of that sort of superpowers into the

1108
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: nineteen eighties, and then you've got the supercharged economy and

1109
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 3: then as ken doone put it right, first generation of

1110
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: Australians men who haven't gone to war, so they're like

1111
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: they haven't lost five years their life, they've got no trauma,

1112
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: they're boomers. They've got like mega Megamega positivity and they

1113
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: feel like they can take on the world. Absolutely extraordinary.

1114
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: And then you add isolation, so you can do anything here.

1115
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: You can manufacture here, like people were manufacturing a lot

1116
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: here in the nineteen eighties. They often think about the

1117
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties and seventies being a golden year of manufacturing.

1118
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 3: It is actually the nineteen eighties we were making everything here,

1119
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: still making tellies and they're making VCR players you know, dishwashers.

1120
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: Everything was being made and there was lots of money

1121
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: around and then those guys, whether it's Hoagues or ken

1122
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: Doon or Greek Norman, like, we can take this to

1123
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: the world extraordinary. So America's cut a great example of that.

1124
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: So there's this feeling that they're tapping into is like

1125
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: anything is possible. You know, we go back to nineteen

1126
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: eighty four, eighty three, eighty five, like there is absolutely

1127
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: no doubt in anyone's mind that you know, this idea

1128
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: of Australian flavor of the month or whatever it is,

1129
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: we're rolling around in colors of the bullshit everything the

1130
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: way you do whatever week want. So when you fast

1131
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: forward today and if you grew up through that time,

1132
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: that sits there like a baggage going, oh what did

1133
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: that happen? You know, it's like why everything was possible?

1134
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: Don't you find it interesting how national pride means and

1135
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: feels so much different now than it did.

1136
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: Back then That idea of innovation went out of fashion,

1137
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 3: and so really once we get into the nineteen nineties

1138
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: into the two thousands, in the Howard years, like it's

1139
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: pretty much just sport and the Anzac Clinchen. So the

1140
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: idea of things that we can create, even the arts

1141
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: and even music goes down PEG and those two tenets

1142
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: of two things that Howard taps into, and those things

1143
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: are really important to us, but they're not everything. So

1144
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 3: a more rounded view of things that we should be

1145
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: proud of, which are sport, innovation, technology, what we manufacture,

1146
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: what we create, the arts, makes up a much broader

1147
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 3: idea and so I think people forget that or standing

1148
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: up for Australian made can also be seen as something

1149
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: that's sort of a new nationalism that's not particularly healthy

1150
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: as well.

1151
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: Which disappoints me because as an immigrant, we came to

1152
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 4: Australia with nothing, and to me, Australia is everything and

1153
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 4: I'm very proud to be Australian because of the opportunities

1154
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 4: that gave me and my family. So that's why I

1155
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 4: get so disappointed when people a sort of not anti Australian,

1156
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 4: but anti celebrating Australia. Like, I understand, there's a lot

1157
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 4: of shit things going on at the moment, but to me,

1158
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: it's that history, innovation and creating opportunity that is what

1159
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 4: Australia is to me.

1160
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: And when I can't celebrate that. I find that disappointing. Yeah,

1161
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: like eighty six, Yeah, you put it add in a

1162
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 3: magazine and work, and you could go and if you

1163
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: wanted someone to buy you had a brochure. You put

1164
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: an add in a magazine like in the Bulletin magazine

1165
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: or Penthouse or Playboy or something like that, and you go.

1166
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: If you want a brochure for whatever I'm making, send

1167
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: a stamp step self stamp dressd anvelope with a check

1168
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: for five dollars to cover for the postage and then

1169
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: to get the things so you can buy something off them.

1170
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: It was as much easier world to actually marketing was

1171
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: a lot easier. It was more expensive, but it was

1172
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: a lot easier. The Internet really has fuck things, hasn't it.

1173
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: It's yeah, the Internet's been amazing. But yes, just but

1174
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: you know that. But we also write this is incredibly

1175
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: important to think about this in terms of how it's

1176
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: changed and how we see world as a nation. We

1177
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 3: were also starved for choice. Things are expensive, so tariffs

1178
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: to protect our local manufacturing meant that if you wanted

1179
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: a pair of Nikes, they gost you twice as much.

1180
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: So people would go When I was a kid. They'd

1181
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: go to someone who goes to America and can you

1182
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: get me a pair of to America? Yeah, and you

1183
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: save half the money. So that's so when the when

1184
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: the tariffs disappeared, our manufacturing base disappeared, and we're not

1185
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: just talking about cards, we're talking about shoes and all

1186
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: sorts of things, right, and really particularly hit Victoria worse

1187
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: than ever because Victoria was always the sort of cradle

1188
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 3: of manufacturing in this country. So then suddenly we can

1189
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: get stuff things really expensive. Suddenly everything's cheaper. So globalization

1190
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 3: kicks in. Tarifts disappeared, so suddenly we can get stuff

1191
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: that we could never get before. And so we go

1192
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: from a nation of people who fixed things to a

1193
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: nation of people who buy ship off the internet in

1194
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: a very society, and where people will go, I don't

1195
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: know where the screwdriver is easier to get one off Amazon.

1196
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: That's the end of civilization.

1197
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I can get it, I can get

1198
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: it by lunchtime, drives to my house and gives it

1199
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,959
Speaker 1: to me instead of me getting off my arse.

1200
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: And looking for it in the laundry. Yeah, it's fucked, yeah, yeah,

1201
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: oh yeah, oh yeah, we've we've done it. We've done

1202
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: a number.

1203
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: And that is why Australia in a nutshell as you've

1204
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: just joined us the grunge gear Sigma Pablo. Yeah, yeah, look,

1205
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: it's an interesting one, but you know it's thanks to

1206
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: your books, like the Water Ripper book with the water

1207
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: with a really cool the I remember just looking at

1208
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: even the front cover where you've got the was it

1209
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: called the fridge the fridge thing, I think it's on

1210
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: the front.

1211
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: It's just it's just brilliant.

1212
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's it. And it's just just this brilliant

1213
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: appreciation of the b grade stars of Australia.

1214
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: And these are strange design icons. Yeah, they're every day

1215
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: Like I did. This book's got sixty every day items

1216
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 3: and it's very similar to what we've been talking about.

1217
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: Things that were designed or manufactured here that somehow, like

1218
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: our cars, just sort of found a way into their

1219
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: hearts to tell a story about who we are. Like

1220
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: Guy designed the Dolphin torch, you know, not far from

1221
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: where we are here in North Sydney in the early

1222
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies. That torch was the highest selling torch, not

1223
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: just here in Australia but across the world for fourteen years.

1224
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: Cool like and but when you know when the dolphin torch,

1225
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: you know it clicked, the sound of it, you know

1226
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: what it feels like? Yeah, yeah, here go Yeah yeah.

1227
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: So all the in the and so it's in terms

1228
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 3: of a cultural touchstone, in terms of no One, you know,

1229
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: playing spotlight with your brothers and sisters when you're a kid,

1230
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: of being in the caravan park. They tell a great

1231
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: story about our lifestyle. And because we have more choices now,

1232
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 3: those cultural touchstones are fuel and far between. So they

1233
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: talk about the stack at is it another classic? Like

1234
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: no One? My kids couldn't tell you what brand thereby

1235
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: school helmet is. They had one for my whole life

1236
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 3: and the kids.

1237
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: At least more from Amazon.

1238
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Bangle's. I doesn't like that one anymore, Dad,

1239
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: what are you doing nothing?

1240
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: Amazons? Get a screwdriver for dab too. I think these

1241
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: books are important and highly recommend getting or get them all,

1242
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: getting some if if you're.

1243
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 4: Just having a look at the illustrations the house. So

1244
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 4: I've got them all lined up here. The illustrations are fantastic.

1245
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 4: They're just all so unique in their own way.

1246
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, even like the God I keep forgetting it. What

1247
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: a rip a book. It's so weird that when you

1248
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: look at some of these items, it automatically takes you,

1249
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: like just to a quick flash in somewhere in my childhood,

1250
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: like I go, oh, that that that bloody fridge. I

1251
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: remember Arnie Kay had one when we were in Paul

1252
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: mcquarie or you know, Port Arlington, and that that thing

1253
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: over there. God, that was sitting in our shoe box

1254
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: outside for years and gathering, gathering, Just this.

1255
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: Weird little they're important. I mean. The other thing is

1256
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: is that we don't realize is that we're quite happily

1257
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: saying you know, most of us watch Netflix this week

1258
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: and it's great, but it doesn't reflect our lives. It

1259
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: doesn't tell us. There are no stories about who we

1260
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: are Netflix exactly, and people are craving it without realizing,

1261
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 3: which is really interesting.

1262
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: I can say. Barry Humphreyes did a great series years

1263
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: and years ago called Flashbacks. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1264
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: It was really good, Like you'd be fantastic with carrying

1265
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: that on or something, because he just told the story.

1266
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: Each episode was like Australia in the sixties, Australia in

1267
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: the seventies, eighties, nineties, and two thousands. But it was

1268
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: just his brilliant take and just a really good reminder

1269
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: of what Australia was, where it went and where it

1270
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: is now and why as well, or why we became

1271
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: the way we are.

1272
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 3: Because it's the idea of looking back right and there

1273
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 3: there will always be people, you know, and we can

1274
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: look through it through rose colored glasses and we did this,

1275
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 3: and we did that and that, and so you don't

1276
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: want to go back? What you what were the ideas there?

1277
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: What was the spirit of that? That's important? And how's that?

1278
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 3: How can that spirit be rekindled for a modern Australia

1279
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: And that's that's what we need. It's a shame they

1280
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: don't manufactured machetes in Victoria because that would be a

1281
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 3: booming business at the moment. Like it's a.

1282
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: Way to end on a positive comedy. This episode has

1283
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: been brought to you by Bunnings where machetes are now

1284
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: on zale.

1285
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 4: We're going to give away a few copies of Chucky.

1286
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, contact at the Drivers Show dot com dot au.

1287
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: Well we'll run something on Insta as well. We'll put

1288
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: all the deats up there.

1289
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think it's definitely something that you've got

1290
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 4: to have have at home and enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Let's give them away. I'll sign them, send them to

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Speaker 3: your house.

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Speaker 1: Not yeah, Jonathan, go fuck your sol mate. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming in, pleasure, thanks so much, genuinely really appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming in and be great and thanks for sharing,

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Speaker 1: Oh pleadure.

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Speaker 2: The Driver's Show Podcast is looking for a sponsor. If

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Speaker 2: you'd like to help Paul and Gordy fulfill their lifelong

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Speaker 2: dream of reviving the world's greatest car brand, the you go.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, who doesn't want to see that happen.

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Speaker 3: Here's your opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Drop us a line at contact at The Driver's Show

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Speaker 2: Podcast dot com, dot a you or send us a

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Speaker 2: DM on our Instagram page. We'd love to work with you.