WEBVTT - Is tracking your partner healthy?

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is brought to you by e Safety, Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>online safety regulator. Love shouldn't feel like control. If your

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<v Speaker 1>partner pressures you to let them track you or demands

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<v Speaker 1>constant updates, that's not care. In fact, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>tech based coercive control. Trust your instincts. To learn about

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<v Speaker 1>the warning signs of tech based coercive control, visit e

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<v Speaker 1>safety dot gov dot AU forward slash Love isn't as always.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast has been produced independently with no editorial influence

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<v Speaker 1>from e safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Already and this this is the Daily This is the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily OS. Oh now it makes sense. Good morning and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the Daily OS. It's Sunday, the twenty fifth

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<v Speaker 2>of May. I'm belief, It's Simon's I'm Sam Kazlowski. Over

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<v Speaker 2>the past few years, there has been a growing conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about coercive control in romantic relationships. Now, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what that is, we will get more into it today.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically, it's a pattern of behavior that manipulates, intimidates

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<v Speaker 2>or dominates another person. Just last year, New South Wales

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<v Speaker 2>became the first state in Australia to criminalize coercive control.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortly followed by Queensland. Now new research from E Safety

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<v Speaker 2>has looked into how this is playing out on or

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<v Speaker 2>even being fast tracked by technology. Essentially, they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>know what attitudes and behaviors have become normalized amongst younger

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<v Speaker 2>generations who have grown up in the digital age that

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<v Speaker 2>actually could be a red flag for coercive control. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>how many people think it's normal and healthy to track

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<v Speaker 2>their partner's location. Now, just a quick heads up before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into it, Sam, As you would have heard

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<v Speaker 2>at the start of this podcast, this episode is sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>by e Safety, who produced the report that we will

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about today, saying that though this episode has

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<v Speaker 2>gone through our normal editorial processes that are independent of

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<v Speaker 2>a safety So.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't we start super simple, Billy, let's start with

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<v Speaker 1>really getting our heads around what is coercive control.

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<v Speaker 2>So coercive control I briefly touched on it before, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's when a person displays a pattern of controlling and

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<v Speaker 2>manipulative behaviors in the context of a relationship. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the important words there is pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not talking about like a single incident, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about a whole series of behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and think of it as like someone forcing or

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<v Speaker 2>pressuring you to do certain things over a period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and typically that behavior is designed to isolate someone or

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<v Speaker 2>to limit their autonomy, or even to question their own sanity.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like over the past couple of years there's

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<v Speaker 2>been this big conversation about gas lighting, right, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>that really ties in with coercive control. When you are

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<v Speaker 2>literally questioning kind of what's real and what's not and

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of feel like you're going crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess sometimes whether you're the problem. Yes, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>and within coercive control, though there's so many different aspects of.

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<v Speaker 2>It exactly, it's a really broad term, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>some typical examples, So things like controlling finances, if just

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<v Speaker 2>one person in the relationship is controlling all the finances

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps even blocks the other person from looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the finances. There's things like monitoring behavior, making threats, or

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<v Speaker 2>even something like insulting someone over time, or even something

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<v Speaker 2>like controlling what they are wearing. It's things like that

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<v Speaker 2>that build up over time and taken all together, can

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<v Speaker 2>constitute coercive control.

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<v Speaker 1>And the really diabolical thing I think about coercive control

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's an invisible form of domestic violence in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think sometimes people have to stop and think,

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<v Speaker 2>what is someone caring for you and what is someone

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<v Speaker 2>controlling you? And those are two very different things, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to you know, I think it can be

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<v Speaker 2>tricky to navigate. There isn't a playbook that you get

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<v Speaker 2>when you get into a relationship that's like this is

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<v Speaker 2>someone controlling you or this is someone caring for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But the research does show that it's becoming an increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>more common part of abuse in romantic relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's actually one of the most common forms

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<v Speaker 2>of how people experience abuse from a romantic partner. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten twenty years ago, the conversation about intimate

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<v Speaker 2>partner violence was very limited to physical harm. But we

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<v Speaker 2>know that that is only one part of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 2>and how someone can experience abuse in an intimate relationship

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot more broad than that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really interesting point, that one, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have worked in this newsroom for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time and we've covered many stories where coercive control

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<v Speaker 1>plays a very important role. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that's really stuck with me through those examples is that

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<v Speaker 1>coercive control can often have a close link to physical violence.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the way to think about it is that

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<v Speaker 2>not all coercive control leads to physical harm, although again

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<v Speaker 2>even without that, even without the physical harm, it is

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<v Speaker 2>still absolutely a form of domestic violence on its own,

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<v Speaker 2>on its own, yeah, definitely, But most physical violence does

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<v Speaker 2>start with coercive control.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And there's a mountain of evidence that shows that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the reason we're having this chat about it

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<v Speaker 1>today is because of this new research, and the new

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<v Speaker 1>research focuses on tech based coercive control. We're talked through,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, an understanding of coercive control broadly. Let's zone

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<v Speaker 1>in now on tech and the role that tech can play.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that materialize?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is the idea of using technology again

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<v Speaker 2>to control, manipulate, and isolate someone. Now, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>key focuses of this from this report for me safety

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<v Speaker 2>was focused on location tracking. Na, Sam, I'm sure you're

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<v Speaker 2>probably familiar. I've find my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big part of everybody's iPhone if they're on

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<v Speaker 1>that phone user. I know there's another equivalent for Android

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and you know it's essentially this whole new

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<v Speaker 1>power that all phone carriers have to track people who

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<v Speaker 1>are in their network, and there's obviously an opt in

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<v Speaker 1>element to that process, but it's really built into a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the social apps as well. I mean, Snapchat

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<v Speaker 1>is an interesting one to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, I think what's so interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about this discussion is how normalized it has become. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember when Snapchat first came out with I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>called snap Friends or SnapMap SnapMap. When that first came out,

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<v Speaker 2>I was at university and I just remember being shocked

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<v Speaker 2>that this was a thing, and it felt like potentially

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous thing that so many people could suddenly track

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<v Speaker 2>your location. And since then, I think it's no longer

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<v Speaker 2>a shocking thing, like we have all become so normalized

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<v Speaker 2>to the idea that people in your circle could have

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<v Speaker 2>your location.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think it's important to mention that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of the tech companies that are enabling

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<v Speaker 1>these services, there are a lot of genuine uses for

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<v Speaker 1>tracking technology. I mean there's stories about people being rescued

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<v Speaker 1>if they're in the middle of a hike somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>regional Australia and that actually assists them. It's when the

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<v Speaker 1>technology is misused by the users that's really concerning.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, And I think it's something that you know a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of parents, for example, would use for their kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, I think it comes back to if you

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<v Speaker 2>grow up in an age where you know the people

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<v Speaker 2>close to you do have you on location, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you enter a relationship and that person says that they

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<v Speaker 2>would like to have you on location, it becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>really tricky thing. And I think it's important for you

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what your own personal boundaries are. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>again it's hard to even figure out what your personal

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<v Speaker 2>boundaries are when it is so normal.

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<v Speaker 1>As and how old you are, I mean, how old

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<v Speaker 1>you are listening to this podcast and trying to understand

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation and whether I guess you could say whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're a map and location native and that's all you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever known, or this is a new piece of technology

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<v Speaker 1>that you're getting a head around. But I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be super clear on something before we go any further.

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<v Speaker 1>Is having a partner on a tracker classified as coercive control.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's definitely not that black and white. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the point is, though it crosses a line when someone

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<v Speaker 2>has an expectation, that's the key word. If there is

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<v Speaker 2>an expectation for your partner to have you on tracker,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when it kind of is a red flag for

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<v Speaker 2>coercive control, right, And I think E Safety's key message

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<v Speaker 2>here is that a respectful partner shouldn't or wouldn't expect

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<v Speaker 2>to see your location twenty four to seven. Definitely. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>if you know you're going out for a night and

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<v Speaker 2>you send your location for an hour, but I think, well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you volunteering your location.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think it's are you willingly and freely giving

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<v Speaker 2>someone your location or do you feel pressure to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think there's also an element as well

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<v Speaker 1>about how the partner is using your location?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Do you mean, like if they're constantly checking it

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<v Speaker 2>or if it's only when you know you might be

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<v Speaker 2>in need that they are then looking at it? Or

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<v Speaker 2>is it a twenty four seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Pattern of behavior? Are there text messages associated with the

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<v Speaker 1>location and all that kind of stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. And I think the other thing that is

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<v Speaker 2>interesting is once you give your location indefinitely, it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>hard to take that back. Yeah, interest that leads to

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<v Speaker 2>quite a difficult conversation. I actually have a story about this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have used Find my Friends, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>someone from like ten years ago, a friend we shared

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<v Speaker 2>our location indefinitely, I think, like on a night out

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<v Speaker 2>or something. Yeah, And I'm not super close with that

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<v Speaker 2>person anymore, definitely civil, no falling out. But now ten

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<v Speaker 2>years later, I still have that person's location and whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I see it, I'm like, I really should stop that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you stop it, I'm pretty sure sense of notification.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And so because I haven't spoken to her in like

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<v Speaker 2>two or three years, I'm like, I don't really want

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<v Speaker 2>her to get a notification saying we've stopped sharing our location.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's another interesting thing to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>is that once you share it, it can be hard

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<v Speaker 2>or it can be awkward to take that back.

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<v Speaker 1>And if that's how you're feeling about a friend that

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<v Speaker 1>you have, you know, a very civil, really very civil,

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<v Speaker 1>but distant relationship from, and you're feeling that awkwardness or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps some fear around cutting the cord of that location relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine that somebody in an intimate romantic relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's a short one, that pressure really mounts Up.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had that moment with a partner.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you navigate it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think as soon as you break up, you just

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<v Speaker 2>have to immediately stop sharing the location. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>for me, at least, it was a very normal conversation

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<v Speaker 2>to be like, obviously we wouldn't have each other on tracker.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think since that has happened, it has made

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<v Speaker 2>me think like, oh, that's a really hard thing to end,

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<v Speaker 2>and once you give it over, it requires a conversation that,

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt is uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one observation that is just sticking with me

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<v Speaker 1>is just how prevalent is with really young members of society.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm talking kind of sixteen to twenty year olds

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<v Speaker 1>who perhaps have phones for the very first time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my brother is twenty one, so he's just out of

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<v Speaker 1>that age group. All of his friends, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his snap map and his find my friend's maps are crowded.

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<v Speaker 1>They're crowded with hundreds and hundreds of people.

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<v Speaker 2>That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, and it's you know, we're saying it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty, your twenty six seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, do you actually think that your younger brother has

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds and hundreds of people on find my Friends in stat.

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<v Speaker 1>Map absolutely and makes decisions about where to go out

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<v Speaker 1>on a night out based on where people are. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a whole nother language, and it's a whole nother

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<v Speaker 1>way of understanding. And I want to be really careful here,

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<v Speaker 1>not to just be grumpy old people and past judgment.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an important part of their digital ecosystem. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe I'm sounding old, dirty, but it's a really

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<v Speaker 1>important conversation to be having. The rush is to jump

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<v Speaker 1>to judgment. That's not what no, we want to do here.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to have conversations about this and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that if somebody needs help that they can lean on

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<v Speaker 1>people who might be older than them to have conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people who are older than them actually receive

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<v Speaker 1>it openly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this conversation is kind of about does

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<v Speaker 2>society need an almost course correction, like have we gone

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<v Speaker 2>too far one way? You know, if you're saying your

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<v Speaker 2>younger brother has hundreds of people, do we need a

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<v Speaker 2>course correction of being like, hold on a second, this

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<v Speaker 2>has become way too normalize. We need to take a

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<v Speaker 2>step back and be like is this right?

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<v Speaker 1>And whether that's even possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, But I'm conscious that you and I have talked

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<v Speaker 1>a lot here about anecdotes and personal experiences. What does

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<v Speaker 1>the report actually say about this?

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<v Speaker 2>So Ease Safety surveyed more than two thousand Australian adults

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<v Speaker 2>and then they found, just like we've been talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>that younger people are more likely to have the expectation

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<v Speaker 2>that they should be able to track their partner. So

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<v Speaker 2>amongst participants aged eighteen to twenty four, nearly one in

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<v Speaker 2>five participants agreed that expecting to track a partner whenever

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<v Speaker 2>they want is reasonable.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's one in five young people believing they should

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<v Speaker 2>be able to track their partner, But that was less

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<v Speaker 2>common for participants of all ages, which just speaks to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, younger people have grown up in this digital age.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it mostly this tracking element of technology that

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<v Speaker 1>dominates the discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>There's definitely other ways. E Safety also looked into how

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<v Speaker 2>many people expect to have your partner's passwords and codes.

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<v Speaker 2>So it found that nearly one in four Australian surveys

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<v Speaker 2>said it is reasonable to have that expectation.

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<v Speaker 1>And with the rise and rise and rise of streaming services,

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<v Speaker 1>phone passwords at passwords online shopping, that's becoming a greater

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<v Speaker 1>part of relationship conversations. That's a really interesting point. But

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<v Speaker 1>if we zoom out, why are we here, why do

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<v Speaker 1>you think this has all been so normalized?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think apart from what we've spoken about about

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<v Speaker 2>young people growing up in the digital age, I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's also a point that some people believe that by

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<v Speaker 2>sharing passwords or by having someone on tracker, that they

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<v Speaker 2>are able to build trust with that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you're an open book exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the thing to think about is is

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<v Speaker 2>that actually building trust or is not having those things,

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<v Speaker 2>not having someone's location twenty four to seven, not having

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<v Speaker 2>their password, actually building trust because you don't need access

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<v Speaker 2>to those things to know that your partner is not

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<v Speaker 2>doing anything wrong. Because that's kind of the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>so many people do believe that they should have it,

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<v Speaker 2>because they think there is potentially a possibility that your

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<v Speaker 2>partner is doing something wrong. But by having access to

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<v Speaker 2>those things, you're able to make sure that they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>But is that actually control and not trust?

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<v Speaker 1>It can all be so hard to navigate, Billy, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about something that's very personal, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a regular news story, and so it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>regular episode because there is such a personal aspect to this,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is so personal, and that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of need to ask ourselves certain questions, So things

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<v Speaker 2>like am I creating my own personal boundaries without anyone

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<v Speaker 2>influencing what that is? And you know, just like so

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<v Speaker 2>many aspects of intimate relationship, that's up to you what

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<v Speaker 2>your boundaries are. I think another question though, is do

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<v Speaker 2>I see and respect the boundaries of my partner? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like if my partner tells me what their boundaries are,

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<v Speaker 2>do I then accept that, have a conversation about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but then not pressure them to try to change those boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a lot to kind of take in, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that people listening are thinking about how this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation fits in with a relationship that they might be

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<v Speaker 1>in or that might know about with somebody that they

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<v Speaker 1>know and love, and it's a really important conversation to have.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I said earlier, I think that you've done

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful job in trying to just help us understand

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<v Speaker 1>that this is not simple, this is not black and white,

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<v Speaker 1>but the worst thing that we can be doing is

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<v Speaker 1>not having this conversation definitely, so thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, and we'll be back again tomorrow with another

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<v Speaker 1>episode of The Daily Os. Until then, have a wonderful Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 3>Bunjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily Os acknowledges

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<v Speaker 3>Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly one in five young adults think it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>track their partner whenever they want. But that's not love,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a red flag. New research, which from e Safety

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<v Speaker 1>shows that many controlling behaviors in relationships, like constant tracking,

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<v Speaker 1>demanding passwords, or expecting instant replies to NonStop texts a

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<v Speaker 1>scene is normal or even caring, but these can be

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<v Speaker 1>signs of tech based coercive control, a pattern of manipulation

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<v Speaker 1>that can escalate into serious harm. Respectful relationships are built

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<v Speaker 1>on trust and consent, not control. Talk about your digital

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries and if something doesn't feel right, trust your instincts

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<v Speaker 1>or speak to someone who knows you and what's important

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<v Speaker 1>to you. To learn about the warning signs of tech

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<v Speaker 1>based coercive control, visit e safety dot dot au slash

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<v Speaker 1>love isn't. If you've experienced abuse or violence from a partner,

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<v Speaker 1>call one eight hundred respect for free confidential advice.