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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation absolute privilege to talk to

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Speaker 1: our next guest. My teenage diary is filled with stories

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Speaker 1: about her and her incredible adventures. She's the celebrated conservationist

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Speaker 1: whose groundbreaking research of chimpanzees over sixty years ago changed

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Speaker 1: the course of science. In her latest project, The Book

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Speaker 1: of Hope, she has a call to action for us

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Speaker 1: all to quote, use the gift of our lives to

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Speaker 1: make this a better world. Doctor Jane Goodall, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello there, and I hope you're feeling really good.

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Speaker 1: Well looking at you and talking to you absolutely, your

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Speaker 1: story just inspired me when I was a younger woman.

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Speaker 1: You were such a young woman when you headed off

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Speaker 1: to Tanzania to study the chimpanzees that you had such

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Speaker 1: crude living arrangements. Was it bravery or naivete? What was

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Speaker 1: it that propelled you to take that journey?

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Speaker 2: Well, what compelled me was that when I was ten

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Speaker 2: years old living, I'm speaking you from the house where

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Speaker 2: I grew up, where I have been since COVID. COVID

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Speaker 2: prevented me from traveling, and I was here and I

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Speaker 2: read the book about Tarzan doctor Doolittle, and I decided

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Speaker 2: I would grow up go to Africa, live with wild

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Speaker 2: animals and write books about them. There was no idea

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Speaker 2: of being a scientist. So anyway, eventually I got there.

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Speaker 2: I saved up money, met Louis Leaky, and amazingly he

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Speaker 2: gave me this opportunity to go and live with and

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Speaker 2: learn from not just any animal, but chimpanzees, our closest

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Speaker 2: living relatives. What an amazing journey that was.

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Speaker 3: And you've known chimpanzees for a long time in your life,

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Speaker 3: and how much do they differ from us?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at their DNA, they differ only

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Speaker 2: by just over one percent. There are closest living relatives

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Speaker 2: and their non verbal communication, kissing, embracing, holding hands, patting

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Speaker 2: one another, swaggering and shaking the fist, using tools, using

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Speaker 2: rocks as weapons, waging a kind of primitive war between

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Speaker 2: neighboring communities, but also showing love, compassion, and altruism. That's

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Speaker 2: how like us they are. But what you learn from

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Speaker 2: that is goodness. But we're different. I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: we're talking you in Australia, I mean in the UK

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Speaker 2: we're talking. That's pretty amazing. If you were like me

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Speaker 2: growing up before any of this began I didn't even

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Speaker 2: have television, and so you know, what I've learned from

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Speaker 2: all of this is that we're a pretty amazing species

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Speaker 2: and it's pretty sad that we're destroying our planet, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Your book is all about hope, and I know at

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Speaker 1: the moment it feels for many of us slightly hopeless.

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Speaker 1: How do we how do we turn that around?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, so many people are hopeless. This is

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Speaker 2: why I began our youth program back in nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 2: because so many young people high school, university had lost hope.

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Speaker 2: And when I talked to them, they were apathetic, didn't

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Speaker 2: seem to care, or they were angry, or they were depressed.

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Speaker 2: And they said to me basically the same thing in

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Speaker 2: different continents. We feel like this because you've compromised our future,

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Speaker 2: which we have right But they said, there's nothing we

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Speaker 2: can do about it. And that's where I said, you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: There is something. We still have a window of time.

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Speaker 2: If we get together, if we take action, each one

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Speaker 2: of us, then we can make a difference. And so

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Speaker 2: that's when our Roots and Shoots program began. That's when

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Speaker 2: I know everything that I believe in was caused by

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Speaker 2: this moment of is it too late, No, it's not,

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Speaker 2: but we have to get together and take action enough.

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Speaker 3: Optimistically, are things getting better? Climate wise?

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Speaker 2: Awareness is getting better, much much better. People are much

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Speaker 2: more aware, More people are prepared to fight for the future,

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Speaker 2: fight for the environment. And I think perhaps the most

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Speaker 2: important thing is that young people all around the world

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Speaker 2: are rising up and saying we want a better future.

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Speaker 2: We are going to demand change from governments, from big business.

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Speaker 2: That's what I see as one of my reasons for hope,

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Speaker 2: the young people who are so dedicated, passionate and determined

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Speaker 2: to make a difference.

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Speaker 1: Do you still have an opportunity to interact with chimpanzees?

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Speaker 1: I know their different personalities spoke to you through all

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Speaker 1: those years, and you made free ships with them. Are

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Speaker 1: you still in contact with a colony of chimps?

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Speaker 2: Well, we still the Jinglele Institute still works with the

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Speaker 2: same community. The original ones that I knew so well

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Speaker 2: female of the entire community. But all the others that

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Speaker 2: do live sixty years and they teach us so much

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Speaker 2: about what it is that we share, but ways in

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Speaker 2: which we're different. Before the before the pandemic, when I

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Speaker 2: was confined to where you see me now, up in

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Speaker 2: my house where I grew up as a child, and

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Speaker 2: before that, I was traveling three hundred days a year

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Speaker 2: around the world, but that included two visits to Gombe

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Speaker 2: to visit I usually didn't actually see the chimps. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I did, but at least to you know, inspire the people,

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Speaker 2: the scientists, the students, field staff working there.

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Speaker 3: And the same did you get to catch up with

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Speaker 3: the chimps on a zoom catch up like we're doing now?

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Speaker 3: Did someone set that up for you?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Can you can that happen? Is that technology? And second

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Speaker 3: part of this question, if that happened, would they recognize you?

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Speaker 2: Well? As I say, there's only one left who would

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Speaker 2: recognize me, because when I left Gombia in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: around the planet, all the you know today, all the

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Speaker 2: old individuals who I knew so well, like members of

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Speaker 2: my family, they're no longer with us. The one chimpanzee, Grumlin,

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Speaker 2: who I remember so well, she recognizes me when I

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Speaker 2: go back, absolutely but the others I no longer have

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Speaker 2: any contact with them, but just going.

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Speaker 3: And you don't get on with her though, that chimp?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Well, every time I go and actually see her, she

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Speaker 2: comes quite close, sets looks into my eyes, and moves away.

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Speaker 2: She knows who I am.

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Speaker 1: Would she recognize you on a zoom? Do they have

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Speaker 1: that ability?

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Speaker 2: They actually do, But we've never tried to do anything

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Speaker 2: like that. You know, these tips are wild and free

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Speaker 2: and we don't experiment with them. But yes, chimpanzees can

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Speaker 2: recognize people and individual chimps on a zoom.

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Speaker 3: That's good. And they can't throw the feces at you either,

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Speaker 3: that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: The book is called The Book of Hope, a Survival

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Speaker 1: Guide for trying Times. It's available now. What an honor

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Speaker 1: to speak to you, Jane. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. And you know we do need hope,

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Speaker 2: don't we, Because if we don't have hope, we we

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Speaker 2: we sort of give up and do nothing and fall

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Speaker 2: into apathy. That's the end of our species. If we

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Speaker 2: do that, we must have hope to take action to

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Speaker 2: change the world before it's too late.

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Speaker 3: Thank you about doctor Jangodo thank you for joy

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Speaker 2: Thanks you, thank you so much, Bye bye,