1 00:00:03,841 --> 00:00:08,071 Mundanara Bayles: Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the land 2 00:00:08,311 --> 00:00:11,670 Mundanara Bayles: we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge traditional 3 00:00:11,670 --> 00:00:14,881 Mundanara Bayles: owners of the land where you, the listener or viewer 4 00:00:14,911 --> 00:00:17,190 Mundanara Bayles: are tuning in from. We would like to pay our 5 00:00:17,190 --> 00:00:20,520 Mundanara Bayles: respects to our elders past and present and acknowledge that 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Mundanara Bayles: this always was Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land. 7 00:00:27,241 --> 00:00:31,411 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mundanara Bayles. 8 00:00:35,551 --> 00:00:39,961 Mundanara Bayles: Welcome to another deadly episode of the Black Magic Woman 9 00:00:40,351 --> 00:00:46,681 Mundanara Bayles: partnership with ANZ. We are showcasing some customers and clients 10 00:00:46,981 --> 00:00:50,370 Mundanara Bayles: and even employees, some of the deadly Blackfellas that work 11 00:00:50,371 --> 00:00:54,961 Mundanara Bayles: at ANZ talking about their experiences, their products, their services 12 00:00:55,201 --> 00:00:59,011 Mundanara Bayles: and much, much more. Today, I am here with my 13 00:00:59,011 --> 00:01:04,770 Mundanara Bayles: bala, Tom Mosby who is actually the CEO of The 14 00:01:04,771 --> 00:01:08,791 Mundanara Bayles: Koorie Heritage Trust or KHT. We're going to have a 15 00:01:08,791 --> 00:01:14,250 Mundanara Bayles: deadly yarn about his journey working at KHT, but before 16 00:01:14,250 --> 00:01:18,031 Mundanara Bayles: we get into it, I do want my listeners, but 17 00:01:18,031 --> 00:01:20,940 Mundanara Bayles: we got viewers now on YouTube. So hello to you, 18 00:01:20,941 --> 00:01:26,251 Mundanara Bayles: mob and thank you for subscribing and supporting the Black 19 00:01:26,251 --> 00:01:30,271 Mundanara Bayles: Magic Woman Podcast, which is now on the iHeart Network 20 00:01:30,930 --> 00:01:35,641 Mundanara Bayles: and it's produced by BlakCast, the first Indigenous podcast network 21 00:01:35,791 --> 00:01:41,731 Mundanara Bayles: in Australia backed by iHeart, the number one podcasting publisher 22 00:01:41,761 --> 00:01:46,381 Mundanara Bayles: in the world. So look, here we are on beautiful 23 00:01:46,471 --> 00:01:48,000 Mundanara Bayles: Wurundjeri country. 24 00:01:49,770 --> 00:01:49,771 Tom Mosby: Wurundjeri, yes. 25 00:01:49,771 --> 00:01:53,341 Mundanara Bayles: In Naarm aka Melbourne. So the usual kind of way that I 26 00:01:53,341 --> 00:01:56,431 Mundanara Bayles: kick off a podcast is I hand over the microphone 27 00:01:56,431 --> 00:01:59,611 Mundanara Bayles: to you and you can then introduce yourself in a way that 28 00:01:59,611 --> 00:02:02,700 Mundanara Bayles: you want our listeners and viewers to know who you 29 00:02:02,701 --> 00:02:05,700 Mundanara Bayles: are, where you come from and maybe a little bit about where you grew up. 30 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:10,801 Tom Mosby: Okay. God, where do I start? So, grew up in 31 00:02:10,801 --> 00:02:14,161 Tom Mosby: the Torres Strait. Actually I was born in the Torres 32 00:02:14,161 --> 00:02:19,020 Tom Mosby: Strait on Thursday Island. Went to primary school on Thursday 33 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:23,281 Tom Mosby: Island, on TI. Then my parents moved to Cairns when 34 00:02:23,281 --> 00:02:25,680 Tom Mosby: I started high school. So I went to Cairns State 35 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:31,020 Tom Mosby: High School, did my high schooling there, finished year 12, 36 00:02:31,441 --> 00:02:36,120 Tom Mosby: then went to Canberra to the University of Canberra to 37 00:02:36,121 --> 00:02:40,380 Tom Mosby: do my first degree which was in art conservation, art 38 00:02:40,381 --> 00:02:45,240 Tom Mosby: restoration. Then when I finished that, my first job was 39 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,601 Tom Mosby: in WA at the Art Gallery of Western Australia. I 40 00:02:48,601 --> 00:02:53,281 Tom Mosby: was, God, 19 when I actually started my first job. Moved 41 00:02:53,281 --> 00:02:55,650 Tom Mosby: from the other side of the country. 42 00:02:55,650 --> 00:02:57,510 Mundanara Bayles: I'm about to say that's a long way from TI. 43 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:57,721 Tom Mosby: Yeah, it's a long way. 44 00:02:57,721 --> 00:02:59,940 Mundanara Bayles: Then from Canberra. 45 00:03:00,211 --> 00:03:01,681 Tom Mosby: Then from Canberra, then to- 46 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:02,371 Mundanara Bayles: And then over to the West Coast. 47 00:03:02,371 --> 00:03:08,041 Tom Mosby: And if I think back now, " Would I do it again?" 48 00:03:08,101 --> 00:03:09,931 Tom Mosby: I don't know if I would, but you know when 49 00:03:09,931 --> 00:03:10,620 Tom Mosby: you're a kid- 50 00:03:11,881 --> 00:03:11,882 Mundanara Bayles: 19. 51 00:03:11,882 --> 00:03:12,512 Tom Mosby: ... it's something that you just do. 52 00:03:12,512 --> 00:03:12,602 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. 53 00:03:12,781 --> 00:03:15,390 Tom Mosby: So I did that. Had a contract there for about 54 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:18,180 Tom Mosby: six months, then moved to Melbourne for the first time. 55 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:22,351 Tom Mosby: So this is, God, 1989. 56 00:03:22,621 --> 00:03:24,932 Mundanara Bayles: So in the first 21 years of your life. 57 00:03:24,932 --> 00:03:27,481 Tom Mosby: First 21 years, I'm traveling around. 58 00:03:27,541 --> 00:03:32,821 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. You've literally saw and lived and experienced four different 59 00:03:32,821 --> 00:03:34,051 Mundanara Bayles: states and territories. 60 00:03:34,261 --> 00:03:36,900 Tom Mosby: Yeah, yeah. So I came to Melbourne, had a contract here at 61 00:03:36,901 --> 00:03:40,500 Tom Mosby: the National Gallery of Victoria. So that was '89- '90 working 62 00:03:40,501 --> 00:03:46,801 Tom Mosby: in conservation. Then went to Canada for six months where 63 00:03:46,801 --> 00:03:51,690 Tom Mosby: I did an internship at The Canadian Conservation Institute. Again, 64 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:55,470 Tom Mosby: I mean that was pretty mind- blowing, eye- opening for ... 65 00:03:55,740 --> 00:03:58,622 Tom Mosby: I mean by then I was 19, 20. I actually turned 21 in Ottawa. 66 00:03:58,622 --> 00:04:03,901 Mundanara Bayles: Wow. We're talking about pre- Mabo decision? 67 00:04:03,901 --> 00:04:06,901 Tom Mosby: Pre- Mabo. Actually I was in Canberra at the time 68 00:04:06,901 --> 00:04:09,690 Tom Mosby: when all of the court cases was happening and I 69 00:04:09,690 --> 00:04:11,491 Tom Mosby: look back at it now and I think, " Gosh, I 70 00:04:11,491 --> 00:04:14,610 Tom Mosby: should have really been involved more when all of that 71 00:04:14,611 --> 00:04:17,222 Tom Mosby: was ..." But it didn't really sort of register at the time. 72 00:04:17,222 --> 00:04:20,101 Mundanara Bayles: You don't know what you don't know too as a younger person- 73 00:04:20,221 --> 00:04:20,222 Tom Mosby: Yeah, yeah. 74 00:04:20,222 --> 00:04:20,911 Mundanara Bayles: ... what's going on with them older fellas, what they're yarning about. 75 00:04:24,841 --> 00:04:28,380 Tom Mosby: I remember one of the plaintiff, Father Passi. 76 00:04:28,470 --> 00:04:28,771 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. 77 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,030 Tom Mosby: He coming down to Canberra because there's a large Torres 78 00:04:33,031 --> 00:04:36,151 Tom Mosby: Strait community in Canberra, people like Benny Mills- 79 00:04:37,951 --> 00:04:41,851 Mundanara Bayles: Uncle Benny. Big shout-out to Uncle Benny and Yvonne. They- 80 00:04:41,851 --> 00:04:41,852 Tom Mosby: All them. Yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:41,852 --> 00:04:41,853 Mundanara Bayles: ... down the road on the- 82 00:04:41,853 --> 00:04:41,854 Tom Mosby: So there was- 83 00:04:41,854 --> 00:04:41,855 Mundanara Bayles: ... coast. 84 00:04:41,855 --> 00:04:45,090 Tom Mosby: ... all of that sort of family there, but it never really registered 85 00:04:45,091 --> 00:04:48,871 Tom Mosby: that this was happening. But anyway, so went to Canada. 86 00:04:49,111 --> 00:04:52,110 Tom Mosby: Six months in Canada, came back, didn't have a job 87 00:04:52,171 --> 00:04:55,171 Tom Mosby: so I thought I'd go up to the Torres Strait 88 00:04:55,201 --> 00:04:58,201 Tom Mosby: onto Yam where my family comes from. So my family, 89 00:04:58,201 --> 00:05:02,701 Tom Mosby: we're from the Central Eastern Islands, but in terms of 90 00:05:02,701 --> 00:05:05,490 Tom Mosby: my connection, it's really to the Central Islands. So went 91 00:05:05,491 --> 00:05:09,720 Tom Mosby: back to Yam Island and didn't do anything. Well, I 92 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:13,170 Tom Mosby: worked and sort of did things here and there for about three months. 93 00:05:13,170 --> 00:05:14,672 Mundanara Bayles: You went back home? 94 00:05:14,672 --> 00:05:20,220 Tom Mosby: Went back home and it was just fantastic because having gone from Cairns, Canberra, 95 00:05:20,461 --> 00:05:26,341 Tom Mosby: Perth, Melbourne, Canada, just going back home was just fantastic. 96 00:05:26,341 --> 00:05:29,881 Tom Mosby: So I was there for three months sitting on a 97 00:05:29,881 --> 00:05:33,331 Tom Mosby: coconut tree, having the best time. Then I was offered 98 00:05:33,331 --> 00:05:34,501 Tom Mosby: a job back here in Melbourne. 99 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:34,562 Mundanara Bayles: Oh, so you had to go again. You got at your feet. 100 00:05:34,562 --> 00:05:42,511 Tom Mosby: Yeah. I thought, "Okay, I need to actually have a profession, develop my 101 00:05:42,511 --> 00:05:48,571 Tom Mosby: career." So I came back to Melbourne in 1991 and 102 00:05:48,601 --> 00:05:51,601 Tom Mosby: more or less have been here ever since. So I 103 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:54,660 Tom Mosby: mean look, it takes a long time to be accepted 104 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:56,910 Tom Mosby: into a community. I would like to think I'm accepted 105 00:05:57,151 --> 00:06:01,920 Tom Mosby: into Melbourne, but also the local Aboriginal community as well. 106 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,281 Tom Mosby: So it's great having sort of, in a sense grown 107 00:06:05,281 --> 00:06:12,450 Tom Mosby: up with connecting to families, connecting to Wurundjeri, Bunurong, all 108 00:06:12,451 --> 00:06:14,881 Tom Mosby: of the aunties, uncles down here as well. So it's 109 00:06:15,691 --> 00:06:16,410 Tom Mosby: been a journey. 110 00:06:16,681 --> 00:06:23,881 Mundanara Bayles: I was going to say you got any other of your mob here, TI mob or even immediate family? Which way? 111 00:06:23,941 --> 00:06:27,061 Tom Mosby: No immediate. I mean there is a Torres Strait community, 112 00:06:27,061 --> 00:06:29,790 Tom Mosby: but it's not a big one and we do things. 113 00:06:30,001 --> 00:06:32,910 Tom Mosby: I mean there is the, you know the Maza sisters, Lisa 114 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:33,600 Tom Mosby: and Rachael? 115 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:33,690 Mundanara Bayles: Yes. 116 00:06:33,690 --> 00:06:36,031 Tom Mosby: They do a lot in terms of getting the Torres 117 00:06:36,031 --> 00:06:39,150 Tom Mosby: Strait Islander communities together. So that's been fantastic. 118 00:06:39,150 --> 00:06:42,181 Mundanara Bayles: And what about the deadliest sister who's a chef? 119 00:06:43,741 --> 00:06:45,182 Tom Mosby: Ah, Nornie. Yes, yes, yes. 120 00:06:45,182 --> 00:06:45,183 Mundanara Bayles: Mabu Mabu. 121 00:06:45,183 --> 00:06:45,723 Tom Mosby: Yeah. 122 00:06:46,321 --> 00:06:48,871 Mundanara Bayles: So people that are watching or listening to this yarn, 123 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:51,811 Mundanara Bayles: if you want to taste food- 124 00:06:51,811 --> 00:06:51,812 Tom Mosby: Islander food. 125 00:06:51,812 --> 00:07:01,021 Mundanara Bayles: ... ingredients and homemade, home- cooked Torres Strait meals and 126 00:07:01,021 --> 00:07:05,160 Mundanara Bayles: some in terms of just ... I've been there twice and 127 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,351 Mundanara Bayles: I literally was just blown away that ... I mean CBD, 128 00:07:10,951 --> 00:07:16,771 Mundanara Bayles: Melbourne and there's an Indigenous restaurant that was packed. 129 00:07:16,801 --> 00:07:17,582 Tom Mosby: Yeah, which is great. 130 00:07:17,582 --> 00:07:20,671 Mundanara Bayles: You could not get a table. I had to book. 131 00:07:21,811 --> 00:07:26,011 Mundanara Bayles: I sat there feeling so proud as a Black woman going, " 132 00:07:26,011 --> 00:07:29,310 Mundanara Bayles: Look at this in 2023," because it was last year, " 133 00:07:31,020 --> 00:07:35,010 Mundanara Bayles: This deadly sister has actually, she's made it." 134 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:40,651 Tom Mosby: Yep. It's actually great seeing those businesses really happening, food 135 00:07:40,651 --> 00:07:45,541 Tom Mosby: businesses. There's a couple of First People, Aboriginal caterers that 136 00:07:45,541 --> 00:07:49,261 Tom Mosby: we use as well because I mean obviously, I work 137 00:07:49,261 --> 00:07:51,451 Tom Mosby: at The Koorie Heritage Trust. One of the big things for 138 00:07:51,451 --> 00:07:56,551 Tom Mosby: us is about supporting all of our Aboriginal businesses, Aboriginal, 139 00:07:56,551 --> 00:07:59,191 Tom Mosby: Torres Strait Islander businesses. So there are caterers that we 140 00:07:59,191 --> 00:08:02,310 Tom Mosby: use as well. Seeing all of the rise of those 141 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:04,530 Tom Mosby: small businesses, I think it's fantastic. 142 00:08:07,411 --> 00:08:08,792 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, yeah, for them to still be able to be operating after the pandemic. It was- 143 00:08:08,792 --> 00:08:12,392 Tom Mosby: It was tough. 144 00:08:12,392 --> 00:08:15,631 Mundanara Bayles: ... testing, it was tough, it was challenging. I heard 145 00:08:15,721 --> 00:08:20,972 Mundanara Bayles: 50% of Indigenous businesses in Victoria went under, completely under. That's a lot of our mob- 146 00:08:20,972 --> 00:08:21,362 Tom Mosby: It is a lot. It is a lot. 147 00:08:21,362 --> 00:08:26,701 Mundanara Bayles: ... that then had to figure out alternatives with other 148 00:08:26,791 --> 00:08:30,901 Mundanara Bayles: businesses globally as well, but we're talking about the most 149 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:37,771 Mundanara Bayles: vulnerable and marginalized peoples in Australia. 50% of Indigenous businesses 150 00:08:37,831 --> 00:08:42,001 Mundanara Bayles: during and even after the pandemic, they'd done some research 151 00:08:42,001 --> 00:08:45,301 Mundanara Bayles: and I was just reading the Victorian Black business kind 152 00:08:45,301 --> 00:08:49,171 Mundanara Bayles: of data and I felt for the mob here. I 153 00:08:49,171 --> 00:08:51,511 Mundanara Bayles: was going to say really quickly for our listeners and 154 00:08:51,511 --> 00:08:55,411 Mundanara Bayles: viewers that don't know anything about the deadly work that 155 00:08:55,411 --> 00:08:58,801 Mundanara Bayles: you fellows do at The Koorie Heritage Trust, tell us a 156 00:08:58,801 --> 00:09:01,741 Mundanara Bayles: little bit of the history. How did it start? 157 00:09:01,801 --> 00:09:06,481 Tom Mosby: Yep. So look, it was formed in 1985. Uncle Jim Berg is 158 00:09:06,481 --> 00:09:10,231 Tom Mosby: the founder of The Koorie Heritage Trust. He worked with, we 159 00:09:10,231 --> 00:09:13,471 Tom Mosby: call them the two Ronnies. There was Ron Castan who 160 00:09:13,891 --> 00:09:16,681 Tom Mosby: was one of the barristers actually as part of the 161 00:09:16,711 --> 00:09:21,330 Tom Mosby: Mabo case and the other one was Ron Merkel, who's 162 00:09:21,330 --> 00:09:25,531 Tom Mosby: actually still alive. Unfortunately, Ron Castan has passed. The other 163 00:09:25,531 --> 00:09:28,621 Tom Mosby: Ron is still alive. He used to sit on the, 164 00:09:28,621 --> 00:09:30,991 Tom Mosby: I think it was the Federal Magistrates, so Federal Court. 165 00:09:30,991 --> 00:09:34,200 Tom Mosby: He's now a KC, King's Counsel. They founded The Koorie 166 00:09:34,201 --> 00:09:38,701 Tom Mosby: Heritage Trust in 1985 and it was really about protecting 167 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,690 Tom Mosby: Victorian Aboriginal material culture because at the time there was also 168 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:49,320 Tom Mosby: all of this thing about human remains and human remains 169 00:09:49,321 --> 00:09:53,640 Tom Mosby: going overseas. It was all about really setting up something 170 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,070 Tom Mosby: that would protect Victorian Aboriginal material culture. It's developed ever 171 00:09:59,071 --> 00:10:03,721 Tom Mosby: since. So I'm proud to say 30 plus years later 172 00:10:03,721 --> 00:10:08,580 Tom Mosby: we're still operating. We've expanded into an arts and cultural 173 00:10:08,581 --> 00:10:15,720 Tom Mosby: center. So it's very much about presenting temporary exhibitions, showcasing 174 00:10:15,810 --> 00:10:19,981 Tom Mosby: contemporary artists, but we also have a family history service, 175 00:10:19,981 --> 00:10:22,440 Tom Mosby: which is really important because it came out of the 176 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,221 Tom Mosby: stolen generation, an apology. So it's really about connecting the 177 00:10:26,221 --> 00:10:30,060 Tom Mosby: stolen generations back to family, back to community. We also 178 00:10:30,060 --> 00:10:33,840 Tom Mosby: have a shop and we just stock Victorian Aboriginal products. 179 00:10:33,901 --> 00:10:37,440 Tom Mosby: So for us it's all about showcasing that down here 180 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,661 Tom Mosby: in Victoria there is still a living, thriving First Nations, 181 00:10:42,661 --> 00:10:46,501 Tom Mosby: First Peoples culture because people come to Victoria. They think 182 00:10:47,611 --> 00:10:50,400 Tom Mosby: Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander, they're all up north, up in 183 00:10:50,401 --> 00:10:55,200 Tom Mosby: Queensland, Northern Territory, Western Australia, but you actually have a 184 00:10:55,201 --> 00:10:58,200 Tom Mosby: very strong community in Victoria. For us it is really 185 00:10:58,201 --> 00:11:01,141 Tom Mosby: about profiling and showcasing that. 186 00:11:07,261 --> 00:11:13,440 Mundanara Bayles: On that note, where are you located so people can come buy 187 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,131 Mundanara Bayles: from the shop- 188 00:11:14,131 --> 00:11:14,492 Tom Mosby: Buy from the shop. 189 00:11:14,492 --> 00:11:18,631 Mundanara Bayles: ... experience in terms of the actual exhibitions, come and 190 00:11:18,631 --> 00:11:23,280 Mundanara Bayles: learn, experience our culture, meet other Blackfellas as well because 191 00:11:23,281 --> 00:11:24,270 Mundanara Bayles: I'm sure you got staff there. 192 00:11:24,270 --> 00:11:28,501 Tom Mosby: Yes. Yep. So we're located at Federation Square. So Fed Square, 193 00:11:28,501 --> 00:11:32,521 Tom Mosby: the heart of the cultural precinct here in Melbourne. Melbourne, 194 00:11:32,581 --> 00:11:34,681 Tom Mosby: I would like to say or I would like to 195 00:11:34,681 --> 00:11:38,400 Tom Mosby: think is the cultural capital of Australia. So we're in the 196 00:11:38,461 --> 00:11:42,660 Tom Mosby: Birrarung Building at Federation Square. It used to be known 197 00:11:42,661 --> 00:11:46,291 Tom Mosby: as the Yarra Building until a name change at the 198 00:11:46,291 --> 00:11:50,161 Tom Mosby: start of the year to actually recognize we are located 199 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:53,431 Tom Mosby: next to the Yarra River, but the traditional name is 200 00:11:53,431 --> 00:11:57,810 Tom Mosby: Birrarung. When Fed Square was built they named it with 201 00:11:57,810 --> 00:12:00,600 Tom Mosby: all of these European names and they named our building 202 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,611 Tom Mosby: the Yarra Building. In recognition of country, of place, of 203 00:12:05,611 --> 00:12:08,941 Tom Mosby: traditional ownership it's now being changed to the Birrarung Building. 204 00:12:09,451 --> 00:12:12,421 Tom Mosby: I think for us, I mean it's a really important part 205 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,801 Tom Mosby: of that acknowledgement of our community. So we're in the 206 00:12:17,011 --> 00:12:18,571 Tom Mosby: Birrarung Building at Federation Square. 207 00:12:18,691 --> 00:12:20,700 Mundanara Bayles: And you offer, there's walking tours? 208 00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:24,931 Tom Mosby: We have walking tours, we also have cultural awareness training 209 00:12:24,931 --> 00:12:29,460 Tom Mosby: programs. So they're programs that we offer to all organizations. 210 00:12:29,461 --> 00:12:32,881 Tom Mosby: We have a large corporate base or the corporate community 211 00:12:32,881 --> 00:12:36,180 Tom Mosby: that come to us as part of their Reconciliation Action 212 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:41,791 Tom Mosby: Plan about working with their employees. All of that around 213 00:12:41,791 --> 00:12:42,690 Tom Mosby: cultural awareness. 214 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:48,362 Mundanara Bayles: And connecting them with Victorian Blackfellas and Black businesses, traditional owners. 215 00:12:48,362 --> 00:12:52,471 Tom Mosby: All that, all that, but it's also about recognizing when you're 216 00:12:52,471 --> 00:12:58,470 Tom Mosby: working with Aboriginal people, whether as a colleague or as 217 00:12:58,471 --> 00:13:01,861 Tom Mosby: a client that it doesn't sound right to say it's 218 00:13:01,861 --> 00:13:06,330 Tom Mosby: special, we're special, but it's acknowledging that there's a way 219 00:13:06,331 --> 00:13:10,230 Tom Mosby: of working with traditional Aboriginal communities because- 220 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:10,292 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah, there are differences. 221 00:13:10,292 --> 00:13:10,532 Tom Mosby: Differences. 222 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,731 Mundanara Bayles: There are cultural differences when you compare western culture and 223 00:13:17,821 --> 00:13:23,611 Mundanara Bayles: Indigenous culture, whether it's Aboriginal, Torres Strait, African, Maori, right? 224 00:13:23,671 --> 00:13:26,881 Mundanara Bayles: There are cultural differences and there are also cultural nuances 225 00:13:26,881 --> 00:13:27,420 Mundanara Bayles: as well. 226 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,361 Tom Mosby: Which comes out of that history of colonialization, settlement, all 227 00:13:33,361 --> 00:13:36,901 Tom Mosby: of the bad histories that we've gone through, we're all 228 00:13:36,901 --> 00:13:41,161 Tom Mosby: as a contemporary community trying to actually move forward, but 229 00:13:41,161 --> 00:13:44,940 Tom Mosby: there are still those nuances that I think businesses, corporates, 230 00:13:44,940 --> 00:13:47,460 Tom Mosby: whatever need to be aware of if you're working with 231 00:13:47,461 --> 00:13:48,511 Tom Mosby: people, our people. 232 00:13:48,511 --> 00:13:51,600 Mundanara Bayles: And especially if you've got a Reconciliation Action Plan also 233 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,111 Mundanara Bayles: known as a RAP where you've got key deliverables. So 234 00:13:55,111 --> 00:13:59,761 Mundanara Bayles: you support organizations with those deliverables, the education, the awareness, 235 00:14:00,091 --> 00:14:04,230 Mundanara Bayles: utilizing your conference rooms. So back in the day we 236 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:08,700 Mundanara Bayles: recommended to our clients that were based here in Naarm, we recommended 237 00:14:08,701 --> 00:14:15,991 Mundanara Bayles: utilizing Black businesses, catering, but also conference or training spaces. 238 00:14:16,471 --> 00:14:18,390 Mundanara Bayles: So we wanted to take them out of their comfort 239 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:21,060 Mundanara Bayles: zones, take them out of these big buildings, bring them 240 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:26,400 Mundanara Bayles: into an Aboriginal space and then do an introduction in 241 00:14:26,401 --> 00:14:28,771 Mundanara Bayles: the lunch breaks. They would then wander through and look 242 00:14:28,771 --> 00:14:28,922 Mundanara Bayles: at the exhibitions. 243 00:14:28,922 --> 00:14:29,582 Tom Mosby: Yeah. Yes. 244 00:14:30,301 --> 00:14:33,991 Mundanara Bayles: I noticed so many people from the public and school 245 00:14:33,991 --> 00:14:37,501 Mundanara Bayles: kids were coming there as well. So then here I 246 00:14:37,501 --> 00:14:41,040 Mundanara Bayles: am as a visitor to this place and I was 247 00:14:41,041 --> 00:14:44,100 Mundanara Bayles: starting to then go, " Oh, my goodness." First I booked 248 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:49,051 Mundanara Bayles: a conference or a training space. The catering that came, them 249 00:14:49,051 --> 00:14:51,901 Mundanara Bayles: fellows knew you too as well, right? There's this this relationship. 250 00:14:52,711 --> 00:14:57,301 Mundanara Bayles: Then I even met the late Uncle Jack Charles. As 251 00:14:57,301 --> 00:14:59,341 Mundanara Bayles: I was coming there to deliver training, I was with 252 00:14:59,341 --> 00:15:02,971 Mundanara Bayles: Greg Phillips and the last photo I've got with Uncle 253 00:15:02,971 --> 00:15:03,991 Mundanara Bayles: Jack is outside KHT- 254 00:15:03,991 --> 00:15:03,992 Tom Mosby: Oh, fantastic. 255 00:15:03,992 --> 00:15:09,601 Mundanara Bayles: ... with my deadly brother, Professor Gregory Phillips. So the 256 00:15:09,601 --> 00:15:13,470 Mundanara Bayles: community people also utilized the space. 257 00:15:13,531 --> 00:15:14,041 Tom Mosby: Yeah, yeah. 258 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:17,100 Mundanara Bayles: That's what I always say is important to a lot 259 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:22,381 Mundanara Bayles: of our corporates is that supporting Black businesses, Indigenous First 260 00:15:22,381 --> 00:15:25,711 Mundanara Bayles: Nations businesses so that we don't have to rely on 261 00:15:25,711 --> 00:15:29,431 Mundanara Bayles: government funding, for corporates to use the same money that 262 00:15:29,431 --> 00:15:33,810 Mundanara Bayles: they would've spent on other event spaces that are all around 263 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:38,070 Mundanara Bayles: here. How about looking for First Nations owned and operated 264 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,961 Mundanara Bayles: because we know that for every $ 1 that they spend 265 00:15:43,051 --> 00:15:47,911 Mundanara Bayles: with an Indigenous business, it's $ 4. 41 in terms of 266 00:15:47,911 --> 00:15:51,420 Mundanara Bayles: the social impact that's created? So for anyone looking for 267 00:15:51,421 --> 00:15:56,401 Mundanara Bayles: spaces, come to these fellows here, KHT, Koorie Heritage Trust. Book 268 00:15:56,401 --> 00:16:00,031 Mundanara Bayles: your next conference, your team meetings, your offsite, your strategy 269 00:16:00,031 --> 00:16:04,201 Mundanara Bayles: days. You will not be disappointed. I haven't done the 270 00:16:04,201 --> 00:16:07,471 Mundanara Bayles: walking tour, but I did do the training. I wanted 271 00:16:07,471 --> 00:16:11,790 Mundanara Bayles: to learn about Victorian Aboriginal culture and history because I 272 00:16:11,791 --> 00:16:14,910 Mundanara Bayles: was coming here so much. Flying in, coming to the 273 00:16:14,910 --> 00:16:18,391 Mundanara Bayles: hotel, deliver the training, back on the next plane, and 274 00:16:18,391 --> 00:16:22,801 Mundanara Bayles: no time to just go and look at country, go 275 00:16:22,801 --> 00:16:26,641 Mundanara Bayles: and learn about the country, understanding the river right next 276 00:16:26,641 --> 00:16:30,361 Mundanara Bayles: to me. What is that name for that river? The 277 00:16:30,361 --> 00:16:34,141 Mundanara Bayles: totem system. Who are the elders? Where are the borders, 278 00:16:34,141 --> 00:16:38,161 Mundanara Bayles: the boundaries? So I started to look for my own 279 00:16:38,161 --> 00:16:40,981 Mundanara Bayles: kind of cultural or professional development. 280 00:16:42,331 --> 00:16:46,680 Tom Mosby: Which I think is great because I think it's ... I mean, we offer it to corporates, we offer 281 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:52,110 Tom Mosby: it to non- Indigenous organizations, but hearing you talking about 282 00:16:52,111 --> 00:16:54,781 Tom Mosby: that it's also about when you come from a different 283 00:16:54,781 --> 00:16:58,261 Tom Mosby: state, I mean when Aboriginal people, Indigenous people come from 284 00:16:58,261 --> 00:17:02,461 Tom Mosby: somewhere else to actually learn about community and place and 285 00:17:02,461 --> 00:17:06,480 Tom Mosby: country down here is also important, but also a really 286 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,240 Tom Mosby: nice thing and a sign of respect for us because 287 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,971 Tom Mosby: I mean, coming from the Torres Strait I'll still acknowledge 288 00:17:12,181 --> 00:17:14,821 Tom Mosby: whenever I stand up to acknowledge country, I acknowledge that 289 00:17:14,821 --> 00:17:17,461 Tom Mosby: I am on country, but I'm a visitor to this 290 00:17:17,461 --> 00:17:21,751 Tom Mosby: country. I think for all of us coming into Melbourne, 291 00:17:21,781 --> 00:17:25,050 Tom Mosby: for us to actually acknowledge that and respect that is fantastic. 292 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:28,681 Mundanara Bayles: It's like an extension of a welcome to country. So 293 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:35,431 Mundanara Bayles: how can we package up as really deadly successful Black 294 00:17:35,431 --> 00:17:38,881 Mundanara Bayles: businesses and enterprises that are based in different states and 295 00:17:38,881 --> 00:17:44,970 Mundanara Bayles: territories, how can you package up your local history as 296 00:17:44,971 --> 00:17:48,931 Mundanara Bayles: a training package that's an extension of a smoking ceremony 297 00:17:49,681 --> 00:17:54,211 Mundanara Bayles: or a welcoming, but it's offered to First Nations' visitors? 298 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,661 Mundanara Bayles: People that have been here and living here, you know 299 00:17:57,661 --> 00:18:01,351 Mundanara Bayles: they might be here for 40 years, but still didn't know that hey, 300 00:18:01,351 --> 00:18:06,151 Mundanara Bayles: they're Bunurong or they're Taungurung or they're Djadjawurrung. Now these mob 301 00:18:06,151 --> 00:18:10,711 Mundanara Bayles: are from there and this is the relationship that maybe 302 00:18:10,711 --> 00:18:14,371 Mundanara Bayles: good relationship, maybe not good relationship. So just understanding some 303 00:18:14,371 --> 00:18:17,791 Mundanara Bayles: of that history will let you know then if you're 304 00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:20,940 Mundanara Bayles: trying to engage with local mob, do you have the 305 00:18:20,940 --> 00:18:23,341 Mundanara Bayles: same mob in the same room at once? There's a 306 00:18:23,341 --> 00:18:28,201 Mundanara Bayles: lot of learning for us as Blackfellas as well, living and working 307 00:18:28,201 --> 00:18:30,181 Mundanara Bayles: with these different organizations. 308 00:18:30,601 --> 00:18:32,640 Tom Mosby: And also, I mean the one thing that we find 309 00:18:32,641 --> 00:18:34,830 Tom Mosby: at the KHT as well, I mean we have a 310 00:18:34,831 --> 00:18:39,811 Tom Mosby: collection. We have a amazing collection of both historical and 311 00:18:39,811 --> 00:18:46,201 Tom Mosby: contemporary artworks. It's a resource there for our Indigenous artists 312 00:18:46,201 --> 00:18:49,080 Tom Mosby: that can come in and actually go through the collection 313 00:18:49,291 --> 00:18:52,230 Tom Mosby: and learn about, especially with the historical work that we 314 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:58,951 Tom Mosby: have, learn about traditional techniques, traditional design because we acknowledge 315 00:18:58,981 --> 00:19:02,760 Tom Mosby: that places like Victoria, New South Wales, Tasmania, there's a 316 00:19:02,761 --> 00:19:07,021 Tom Mosby: much long history of settlement than other parts of Australia, 317 00:19:07,141 --> 00:19:10,621 Tom Mosby: and there's a much greater loss of that cultural knowledge. 318 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:15,541 Tom Mosby: So for us being the sort of custodian of the 319 00:19:15,541 --> 00:19:19,500 Tom Mosby: material heritage, that can actually help people rediscover, I think 320 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:20,461 Tom Mosby: is really important. 321 00:19:20,461 --> 00:19:22,201 Mundanara Bayles: Rediscover and reconnect. 322 00:19:22,201 --> 00:19:23,191 Tom Mosby: And reconnect. 323 00:19:23,641 --> 00:19:27,630 Mundanara Bayles: You know, that's so important for mob, isn't that they find the 324 00:19:27,631 --> 00:19:32,371 Mundanara Bayles: opportunities and the right organizations where they feel that they can come in 325 00:19:34,171 --> 00:19:37,350 Mundanara Bayles: and sit there, have a cup of tea. That's what 326 00:19:37,351 --> 00:19:41,221 Mundanara Bayles: I noticed when I was there, this sense of belonging 327 00:19:41,221 --> 00:19:45,121 Mundanara Bayles: and community. We're having a cup of tea and I thought, " Jesus 328 00:19:45,121 --> 00:19:47,040 Mundanara Bayles: is dead. This would not have happened in one of 329 00:19:47,041 --> 00:19:50,850 Mundanara Bayles: those corporate buildings. I would not have bumped into another Blackfella." 330 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:54,691 Tom Mosby: Yeah, and it's always really exciting when we see that, that people 331 00:19:54,691 --> 00:19:59,821 Tom Mosby: actually connecting in the space. Brilliant. I think the physical space 332 00:19:59,821 --> 00:20:03,211 Tom Mosby: as well. I mean we're trying to create ... We're obviously 333 00:20:03,211 --> 00:20:06,870 Tom Mosby: in a building that was designed by a non- Indigenous 334 00:20:06,871 --> 00:20:10,320 Tom Mosby: architect and built about 20 years ago, but what we've 335 00:20:10,321 --> 00:20:15,240 Tom Mosby: tried to do internally when we've actually refitted the building 336 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,830 Tom Mosby: is to actually represent Victorian Aboriginal design values, but also contemporary 337 00:20:19,831 --> 00:20:23,280 Tom Mosby: design values as well. It's really about showcasing that. So 338 00:20:23,281 --> 00:20:25,861 Tom Mosby: when people come into the space they actually see a 339 00:20:25,861 --> 00:20:30,240 Tom Mosby: space that reflects where we as First Nations People living 340 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,510 Tom Mosby: in Victoria, where we are today. People come in, and 341 00:20:33,511 --> 00:20:35,490 Tom Mosby: I mean we still struggle with that. People still come 342 00:20:35,490 --> 00:20:37,590 Tom Mosby: in thinking, " We're going to walk into an Aboriginal space, 343 00:20:37,591 --> 00:20:39,931 Tom Mosby: we're going to see dot paintings everywhere. We're going to 344 00:20:39,931 --> 00:20:42,571 Tom Mosby: see all of the iconography from up north." Whereas, this 345 00:20:42,571 --> 00:20:47,130 Tom Mosby: is really about saying, " No, sorry. This is Victoria and 346 00:20:47,131 --> 00:20:50,221 Tom Mosby: it's an education for you. Coming into this space, seeing 347 00:20:50,221 --> 00:20:54,931 Tom Mosby: this physical building, It's about educating you around what we 348 00:20:54,931 --> 00:20:55,981 Tom Mosby: have in Victoria." 349 00:20:56,250 --> 00:21:00,360 Mundanara Bayles: Well, how did you end up doing business with ANZ? 350 00:21:00,661 --> 00:21:04,530 Mundanara Bayles: That's what I'm curious about. I know ANZ do some really 351 00:21:04,531 --> 00:21:07,740 Mundanara Bayles: deadly things in our community. They support a lot of 352 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:11,701 Mundanara Bayles: Indigenous businesses. They've got their Indigenous business bankers now because 353 00:21:11,701 --> 00:21:16,411 Mundanara Bayles: I've got one, which is pretty deadly. So how did ANZ and KHT 354 00:21:16,411 --> 00:21:19,050 Mundanara Bayles: first start kind of take off or hit it off? 355 00:21:19,231 --> 00:21:24,031 Tom Mosby: ANZ was a partner with the KHT years ago, so even before I 356 00:21:24,031 --> 00:21:26,941 Tom Mosby: started. So when I started, ANZ was ... And we had 357 00:21:26,941 --> 00:21:30,931 Tom Mosby: really great support from ANZ, and then that relationship sort 358 00:21:30,931 --> 00:21:34,711 Tom Mosby: of dropped off and we reconnected after COVID. It's like 359 00:21:34,711 --> 00:21:39,390 Tom Mosby: a relationship. We reconnected after COVID and they were really 360 00:21:39,391 --> 00:21:41,821 Tom Mosby: keen to look at how they can support the KHT 361 00:21:42,421 --> 00:21:45,151 Tom Mosby: in terms of achieving our vision, but at the same 362 00:21:45,151 --> 00:21:50,100 Tom Mosby: time by supporting us, it was also reaching into their 363 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:53,850 Tom Mosby: Reconciliation Action Plan as well. So we, like I said, 364 00:21:53,850 --> 00:21:58,561 Tom Mosby: reconnected after COVID and have developed a fantastic relationship where 365 00:21:58,561 --> 00:22:03,571 Tom Mosby: they support our exhibitions program, our temporary exhibitions program. That, 366 00:22:03,571 --> 00:22:07,350 Tom Mosby: for us is a really big thing because we really ... Even 367 00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:12,480 Tom Mosby: though 50% of our revenue is self- generated and we 368 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,231 Tom Mosby: get funding from elsewhere, that type of corporate funding for 369 00:22:16,231 --> 00:22:20,161 Tom Mosby: us is really important, especially in that exhibitions and public 370 00:22:20,161 --> 00:22:24,330 Tom Mosby: programming space because they're all project by project. At the 371 00:22:24,331 --> 00:22:27,871 Tom Mosby: same time we're able to give back to ANZ, you know 372 00:22:27,871 --> 00:22:32,010 Tom Mosby: things like cultural awareness training, tours, the use of our 373 00:22:32,010 --> 00:22:35,671 Tom Mosby: meeting rooms and spaces. So there's a reciprocal relationship there. 374 00:22:35,671 --> 00:22:41,191 Mundanara Bayles: I was going to say the same thing, right? In our culture, reciprocity. It's 375 00:22:41,191 --> 00:22:45,420 Mundanara Bayles: so important that you give, you take, you give back 376 00:22:46,831 --> 00:22:50,131 Mundanara Bayles: and make sure that it's mutually beneficial. 377 00:22:50,131 --> 00:22:50,731 Tom Mosby: Exactly. 378 00:22:50,731 --> 00:22:56,671 Mundanara Bayles: So ANZ are a leader in reconciliation. They're a bank, they're 379 00:22:56,731 --> 00:23:01,441 Mundanara Bayles: very big, got a lot of influence with their customers 380 00:23:01,801 --> 00:23:04,711 Mundanara Bayles: and with their employee base and with the whole community 381 00:23:05,161 --> 00:23:10,471 Mundanara Bayles: that they're part of as well. So they're creating societal 382 00:23:10,471 --> 00:23:14,611 Mundanara Bayles: change. They're part of this kind of, when you think 383 00:23:14,611 --> 00:23:18,750 Mundanara Bayles: about the reconciliation movement, even bigger than that because they're 384 00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:21,060 Mundanara Bayles: basically putting their money where their mouth is. 385 00:23:21,810 --> 00:23:24,810 Tom Mosby: Exactly. I agree. Exactly. You know, it's not just us 386 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:27,420 Tom Mosby: taking that corporate dollar. It's, how do we actually work with ANZ 387 00:23:28,111 --> 00:23:33,240 Tom Mosby: to support them in terms of recruitment of First Nation 388 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:42,510 Tom Mosby: employees, First Nation customers as ANZ customers? They're a really important 389 00:23:42,511 --> 00:23:46,561 Tom Mosby: thing because it's also acknowledging within the corporate structure as 390 00:23:46,561 --> 00:23:49,201 Tom Mosby: First Nation People, and this goes back to that cultural 391 00:23:49,201 --> 00:23:54,211 Tom Mosby: awareness, the nuances of dealing with employees and a customer 392 00:23:54,211 --> 00:23:58,350 Tom Mosby: base that isn't used to saving, isn't used to all of 393 00:23:58,350 --> 00:24:02,190 Tom Mosby: that sort of Western banking tradition, but we need to 394 00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:04,500 Tom Mosby: as people, we need to be part of that. I 395 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:05,162 Tom Mosby: think it's very important. 396 00:24:05,162 --> 00:24:08,161 Mundanara Bayles: We do, especially if we want to be part of and 397 00:24:08,161 --> 00:24:09,391 Mundanara Bayles: contribute to the economy. 398 00:24:09,391 --> 00:24:14,311 Tom Mosby: Yeah, but also be successful in the economy. 399 00:24:14,311 --> 00:24:16,890 Mundanara Bayles: Be successful, yeah. I think a lot of financial institutions, a lot of them, 400 00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:23,221 Mundanara Bayles: superannuation, banks, insurance companies, all these, they're really big kind 401 00:24:23,221 --> 00:24:28,560 Mundanara Bayles: of institutions. They're big businesses. Our mob that might work 402 00:24:28,561 --> 00:24:32,310 Mundanara Bayles: in there might feel quite isolated. They might feel alone 403 00:24:33,151 --> 00:24:34,832 Mundanara Bayles: because we are a minority in this country. 404 00:24:34,832 --> 00:24:35,671 Tom Mosby: We are. We are. 405 00:24:35,671 --> 00:24:39,210 Mundanara Bayles: You know? We could be definitely a minority within a 406 00:24:39,211 --> 00:24:45,540 Mundanara Bayles: much bigger team. Having an opportunity to know that, " Hey, 407 00:24:45,691 --> 00:24:53,730 Mundanara Bayles: our organization supports First Nations enterprises, community initiatives, those on- 408 00:24:53,730 --> 00:24:59,971 Mundanara Bayles: country cultural immersions for Victorian people to actually connect to 409 00:24:59,971 --> 00:25:04,021 Mundanara Bayles: this country and create that sense of belonging." That's got 410 00:25:04,021 --> 00:25:06,240 Mundanara Bayles: to be a good thing, especially for our mental health. 411 00:25:06,781 --> 00:25:11,310 Tom Mosby: I completely agree. Also, it's understanding us and our values. 412 00:25:12,571 --> 00:25:15,241 Tom Mosby: I mean, the two of us, I mean we cross both worlds. We are coming to 413 00:25:15,631 --> 00:25:17,851 Tom Mosby: live in big cities, all of that, but I think 414 00:25:17,851 --> 00:25:21,151 Tom Mosby: of my family up north still living on remote islands, 415 00:25:21,691 --> 00:25:26,100 Tom Mosby: villages of 100, 120 people, but they still have banking needs. 416 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:31,110 Tom Mosby: They still have needs that actually ... But as big corporate 417 00:25:31,111 --> 00:25:33,152 Tom Mosby: organizations, how do you actually work with those communities? 418 00:25:33,152 --> 00:25:38,431 Mundanara Bayles: How do they extend their reach? How do they get to 419 00:25:38,431 --> 00:25:43,980 Mundanara Bayles: those communities? That's why this partnership to me is so 420 00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:51,450 Mundanara Bayles: important that people like ANZ invest in this podcast, which 421 00:25:51,451 --> 00:25:57,181 Mundanara Bayles: platforms and gives opportunities for you mob, KHT, you as 422 00:25:57,181 --> 00:26:00,240 Mundanara Bayles: a Torres Strait Islander man, it gives you an opportunity 423 00:26:00,541 --> 00:26:05,461 Mundanara Bayles: to showcase what you do and then talk to our 424 00:26:05,461 --> 00:26:09,360 Mundanara Bayles: audience, our listeners about how they can then get involved. 425 00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:12,300 Mundanara Bayles: How can they support you? What would be the best 426 00:26:12,661 --> 00:26:14,881 Mundanara Bayles: way for people to get in contact with you? Is 427 00:26:14,881 --> 00:26:17,881 Mundanara Bayles: it easy just to go kht. com. au? 428 00:26:17,881 --> 00:26:18,031 Tom Mosby: Get online. 429 00:26:18,031 --> 00:26:18,032 Mundanara Bayles: How do they- 430 00:26:18,032 --> 00:26:18,991 Tom Mosby: Get online, website, it's kht.com.au. 431 00:26:18,991 --> 00:26:18,992 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. 432 00:26:18,992 --> 00:26:19,772 Tom Mosby: Yeah, yeah. 433 00:26:22,801 --> 00:26:23,101 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. 434 00:26:23,551 --> 00:26:27,090 Tom Mosby: Everything's online. So check out our website, all of our 435 00:26:27,090 --> 00:26:32,250 Tom Mosby: email addresses, telephone numbers there or just drop in. Go to Fed 436 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:35,340 Tom Mosby: Square. We're actually just off the main plaza. So when 437 00:26:35,341 --> 00:26:38,431 Tom Mosby: you're walking up the main plaza we're on the right, 438 00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:42,931 Tom Mosby: directly opposite ACMI. It's so central, easy to get to. 439 00:26:43,081 --> 00:26:48,270 Mundanara Bayles: Yeah. Well, if I could say working with ANZ, just 440 00:26:48,271 --> 00:26:51,451 Mundanara Bayles: to give other people a bit of an insight into 441 00:26:51,631 --> 00:26:56,221 Mundanara Bayles: how that relationship. Is there one thing there that you're 442 00:26:56,221 --> 00:27:00,600 Mundanara Bayles: just really proud of with this relationship or is there 443 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,780 Mundanara Bayles: someone in particular that has just gone above and beyond 444 00:27:03,781 --> 00:27:06,871 Mundanara Bayles: for you fellas to support you today that you want to give a mention to or- 445 00:27:06,871 --> 00:27:12,990 Tom Mosby: I think, I mean, it's all of our corporate partners that are very important, like I 446 00:27:12,990 --> 00:27:16,500 Tom Mosby: said, to our success. So the support we get from 447 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:19,530 Tom Mosby: ANZ, I mean that enabled us to present ... At the 448 00:27:19,531 --> 00:27:22,231 Tom Mosby: moment we actually have an exhibition by a young kid 449 00:27:22,231 --> 00:27:26,401 Tom Mosby: called Josh Muir, who was a rising star in the 450 00:27:26,401 --> 00:27:30,571 Tom Mosby: art world, but suffered as most of our young kids 451 00:27:30,571 --> 00:27:34,351 Tom Mosby: do, but also our young boys, especially mental health, went 452 00:27:34,411 --> 00:27:39,300 Tom Mosby: up and down and unfortunately passed away about two years 453 00:27:39,301 --> 00:27:42,631 Tom Mosby: ago. He was only in his 30s, but he was 454 00:27:42,961 --> 00:27:45,961 Tom Mosby: exhibiting at the National Gallery of Victoria as part of 455 00:27:45,961 --> 00:27:49,800 Tom Mosby: White Night in 2016 projecting onto the facade of the 456 00:27:49,801 --> 00:27:53,641 Tom Mosby: National Gallery of Victoria. We're doing a retrospective of his 457 00:27:53,701 --> 00:27:57,090 Tom Mosby: artwork, working with his partner and mother which has been 458 00:27:57,090 --> 00:28:01,801 Tom Mosby: the best experience. We've presented and we have ... It's on 459 00:28:01,801 --> 00:28:05,341 Tom Mosby: at the moment, this amazing exhibition that just looks at 460 00:28:05,431 --> 00:28:08,790 Tom Mosby: this creative talent who left us too early, but we 461 00:28:08,791 --> 00:28:11,851 Tom Mosby: can only do that with the support from corporate partners. 462 00:28:12,301 --> 00:28:18,750 Mundanara Bayles: And without ANZ this exhibition might not have happened for 463 00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:22,231 Mundanara Bayles: a bit longer, but was able to happen. 464 00:28:22,231 --> 00:28:22,892 Tom Mosby: Was able to happen. 465 00:28:22,892 --> 00:28:22,893 Mundanara Bayles: And it's happening right now. 466 00:28:22,893 --> 00:28:24,330 Tom Mosby: Yeah, and it's happening right now. 467 00:28:25,861 --> 00:28:30,301 Mundanara Bayles: Too deadly. Well, I am really excited for the fact 468 00:28:30,301 --> 00:28:34,081 Mundanara Bayles: that our mob can hear this yarn, but I'm even 469 00:28:34,111 --> 00:28:37,801 Mundanara Bayles: more excited that more mainstream Australians that listen to Black 470 00:28:37,801 --> 00:28:40,681 Mundanara Bayles: Magic Woman may be on the iHeart app, might be 471 00:28:40,681 --> 00:28:42,930 Mundanara Bayles: a customer of ANZ that now know, " You know what? 472 00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:45,001 Mundanara Bayles: This is a deadly bank. I'm going to keep banking 473 00:28:45,001 --> 00:28:47,221 Mundanara Bayles: with them." So look bala, I just want to say 474 00:28:47,221 --> 00:28:50,520 Mundanara Bayles: it's been an absolute pleasure to see you again, to 475 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,951 Mundanara Bayles: catch up, to have you on the couch and to 476 00:28:52,951 --> 00:28:55,771 Mundanara Bayles: hear about the deadly work you fellas are doing with ANZ at The 477 00:28:55,771 --> 00:28:58,021 Mundanara Bayles: Koorie Heritage Trust. 478 00:28:58,021 --> 00:29:00,420 Tom Mosby: And right back at you. This is great. Fantastic. 479 00:29:00,451 --> 00:29:02,941 Mundanara Bayles: I can't wait to come check out the new space. 480 00:29:03,361 --> 00:29:06,571 Mundanara Bayles: So on that note, you fellas, I really do hope 481 00:29:06,571 --> 00:29:10,141 Mundanara Bayles: that you share this podcast because not many people know 482 00:29:10,561 --> 00:29:13,771 Mundanara Bayles: about the deadly things that we do in our communities. So 483 00:29:13,771 --> 00:29:16,591 Mundanara Bayles: Black Magic Woman is where it's at. So on that 484 00:29:16,591 --> 00:29:20,131 Mundanara Bayles: note, I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Until next time, 485 00:29:20,131 --> 00:29:22,890 Mundanara Bayles: bye for now. If you'd like any more info on 486 00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:26,250 Mundanara Bayles: today's guest, please visit our show notes in the episode 487 00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:30,961 Mundanara Bayles: description. A big shout- out to all you deadly mob 488 00:29:30,961 --> 00:29:34,231 Mundanara Bayles: and allies who continue to listen, watch and support our 489 00:29:34,231 --> 00:29:38,131 Mundanara Bayles: podcast. Your feedback means the world. 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