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Speaker 2: offenders start with a position of no bail. The opposition

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Speaker 3: Leah, Good morning Katie and to your listeners Lea.

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Speaker 2: The CLP wants to see all violent offenders start with

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Speaker 3: So is baile is something we've talked about for a

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Speaker 3: And we require the support of Natasha Philes and her

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it realistic though, to expect that from

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Speaker 1: You've not been in.

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Speaker 3: We have to keep fighting. Natasha Philes and her government

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Speaker 2: Leah, we've got questions or messages, i should say, coming

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Speaker 3: No, they can't be. So the legislature or the Parliament

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Speaker 2: So tomorrow that is going to You're obviously going to

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Speaker 2: So there's actually a very real possibility here that she's

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's fair enough.

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Speaker 1: All right, Leah.

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Speaker 3: in Darlin. I mean, how out of touch is that?

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Speaker 3: What student is going to book an appointment with a

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Speaker 3: well they really need it.

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Speaker 2: Leah, we are getting a lot of messages on this topic.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of parents that are incredibly concerned, parents

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Speaker 2: that do have children that have needed the support of

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Speaker 2: those school counselors. Yesterday we heard from the captains from

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Speaker 2: Casarina Senior College who really articulated so well why this

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Speaker 2: is a concern for students and you know, when you

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Speaker 2: talk about the fact then that by the sounds of it,

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Speaker 2: and we are going to catch up with the department

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Speaker 2: in a couple of minutes time, but that students would

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Speaker 2: then have to be making an appointment to see a

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Speaker 2: it's something that you're not actually going to go and do.

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Speaker 2: And exactly, we've got to make sure that our children

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Speaker 2: have that support.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more, Katie. And what's even

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Speaker 3: worse is we've had the government stand up in parliament.

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Speaker 3: Natasha Philes has stood up in Parliament and said last

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Speaker 3: week school kids don't commit crimes. You know, when kids

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Speaker 3: are in school, they're not out committing crimes. And yet

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Speaker 3: here we are taking away this vital service that supports

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Speaker 3: kids to staying in school, connected with their educational opportunities,

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Speaker 3: working through those really difficult times and making sure that

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Speaker 3: kids come out the other side. And it's just the

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Speaker 3: wrong direction. I can't understand why they're going down this road.

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Speaker 3: And I can't understand why this has been Department of

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Speaker 3: Education spokespeople running this. Where is evil law? Where is

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Speaker 3: Natasha files? This is their policies, their failures, their cuts.

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Speaker 3: Why don't they put their faith to this disaster which

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Speaker 3: is going to impact thousands of lives of students and

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Speaker 2: Leah, a question from a listener on the prisons and

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Speaker 2: on the but no bail. This person says, where do

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Speaker 2: you put these no bail people?

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Speaker 1: Aren't our prisons full?

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Speaker 3: Well, our prisons are full, yet we've got more crime

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Speaker 3: than ever before on our streets. And I do not

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Speaker 3: subscribe to the labor theory which is prisons are full

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Speaker 3: that means leave the bad guys out on the street.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we just can't do it. We have to

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Speaker 3: find ways around it. This government has known the prisons

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Speaker 3: are full for a long time. It needs alternatives. But

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Speaker 3: we can't just leave criminals on the street to re

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Speaker 3: offend and destroy people's lives because this government can't get

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Speaker 3: us act together and find somewhere to put them.

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Speaker 2: Leah Finocchio, the opposition leader, we are going to have

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Speaker 2: to leave it there. I'll be fascinated watching parliament as always.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you