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Speaker 1: Well, the ABC has issued an apology over its Alice

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Speaker 1: the crisis riddled town.

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Speaker 2: Of course, as has.

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Speaker 1: Been reported now, you'll recall that we did actually have

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Speaker 1: the organizer of the Save Alice Springs meeting which was

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Speaker 1: held last week, Garth Thompson. He joined us on the

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Speaker 1: with one woman describing it as a total white supremacist

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Matt, Good morning Cody.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: You were very vocal about this last week and said

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Speaker 1: that apology that was issued on the weekend.

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Speaker 4: I think the acknowledgement that they've done the wrong thing

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Speaker 4: is appreciated. I didn't think much of the apology, to

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Speaker 4: be quite frank, Katie, I think that it still doesn't

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Speaker 4: you can still access that story online, and they obviously

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: I know some people might be listening thinking, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: But the point here is that.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to make sure or you wanted to ensure

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And I mean the story was that

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Speaker 4: the inside the meeting was full of white supremacists. Now

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Speaker 4: I've called out that the racist comment that happened outside

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Speaker 4: called out. That wasn't inside the meeting. There's three and

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Speaker 4: a half thousand people there that you know that come

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Speaker 4: Katie is because of the story, we're talking about the

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Speaker 4: ABC and they're disappointing coverage rather than talking about the

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Speaker 4: real problem and that we're still facing the challenges that

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Speaker 2: Well, that's spot on, and look, I am going to

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Speaker 1: I'm keen to find out how things are going in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs, but I do want to just read that.

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Speaker 1: I'll read part of that statement out. So the ABC

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I mean that's a pretty powerful message.

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Speaker 3: Two people were involved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Hey, we know that the report from Darrell Anderson.

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Speaker 3: No? I haven't.

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Speaker 4: I do understand obviously the first recommendation is the stronger

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Speaker 1: What else do you reckon needs to happen? I know

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I've said it many times that if we

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Speaker 3: Thirty five service providers. So doing it, it's the accountability piece.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I understand that obviously throughout through

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Speaker 3: But you know, if we can.

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Speaker 1: Matt just on that we know that the junior motocross

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Speaker 2: Oh same here, Matte, same here, mate.

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Speaker 1: You know, we are expecting the Northern Territory and federal

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Speaker 2: Say or to hear from those two tiers of government.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think that the immediate piece is the re

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Speaker 4: which was worse than where we were, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, all those years ago.

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Speaker 4: So my thing is across that, you know that we

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Speaker 4: and things are addressed and hopefully, you know, we can

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Speaker 4: you guys are going to be facing up and Dull

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Speaker 4: and pretty soon I've made I'd imagine.

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Speaker 1: And what makes you think that we are going to

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Speaker 1: be facing those problems up here pretty soon?

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Speaker 4: Well, because where you are right now is where we

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Speaker 4: in you know, twelve months. So I think that and

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Speaker 4: that's what I've urged that if alcohol is the root

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Speaker 4: look at alcohol problems in Darwin. I am hesitant to speak,

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Speaker 4: you know, on behalf of darl because I'm down here

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Speaker 4: and we don't like when people in darl And speak

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Speaker 4: about our springs. But you know, you certainly need to

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Speaker 4: have that conversation. We understand what you're going through because

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Speaker 4: we were there twelve months ago, and so it's only

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Speaker 4: you know, it only gets worse from here with the brazen,

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Speaker 1: Matt Patterson, I appreciate your time this morning, as I

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Speaker 1: have you know in recent weeks, will no doubt talk

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Speaker 1: to you again. I'm sure this week when we do

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Speaker 1: find out exactly what the plan is from the territory

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Speaker 1: and federal governments. Thank you again for having a chat

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Coatie